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http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/lyrics/political/SovietUnionNationalAnthem_RedArmyChorus.mp3

You have got to love that anthem - its the best ever.

Hey, i'm not download a big mp3, which i dont even have any idea of its authenticity so im just gonna say, ever heard of The Flower of Scotland

The page wouldnt load..but if its as the title suggests and it is the Soviet National anthem, then i couldnt agree more...its pure class :-)

The page wouldnt load..but if its as the title suggests and it is the Soviet National anthem, then i couldnt agree more...its pure class :-)

Agreed - The mp3 is not fake or a virus - its sung by the Red Army Choir and its really good.

Great Hymn indeed. I wonder if there's a similar one from Germany to boost my national pride a little :)

That one, and the Internationale (which was the Soviet anthem until the early 1940's) are the best national anthems ever imho.

Great Hymn indeed. I wonder if there's a similar one from Germany to boost my national pride a little :)
The Internationale has been translated and sung in nearly every language.

I even found a version in Tuvan

Great Hymn indeed. I wonder if there's a similar one from Germany to boost my national pride a little :)

I can try and find 'Horst Wessel Lied' (it was kind of the National Anthem during the Nazi Times - but its not racist or anything and its a great anthem that has been adapted into a hymn).

Ah, here it is - one of the most famous marching tunes ever.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/horstwessel.html

without question, the greatest national anthem is the italian one. it is designed for drunkards to sing. and the end bit where it goes "Hey!". you've gotta love it.

Hehe.

I also liek the current German one, when Schumey wins an F1 race and they play the German National Anthem and then the Italian one it is great.

"Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit!"

my favourite is the Chinese one

Hey, i'm not download a big mp3, which i dont even have any idea of its authenticity so im just gonna say, ever heard of The Flower of Scotland

WHAT! It's crap! No one knows how to play it, and it's far too slow.

The Welsh national anthem is posibly the most rowsing in current use, though I agree with the above posters that the former USSR had the best national anthem.

Britain has a terrible national anthem as well: "God Save the Queen". It's such a drudge.

They should change it to "Rule Britannia", far more dramatic.

God Save the Queen by Sex Pistols?

God Save the Queen by Sex Pistols?

Yes, it was either going to be that or Seasons In The Sun by Terry Jacks or Come Up And See Me Sometime (Make Me Smile) by Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel, but the four punk lads pipped them to the post.

In other words: no.

Chávez no se va (http://aristoteles.ing.ula.ve/publico/Uh%20-%20Ah%20-%20Chavez%20no%20se%20va.mp3)

The national anthem of Amazonica.

...and yes it is a virus which will install if you click the link...

The very nationalistic Swedish Anthem.....

http://www.lengua-translations.de/anthems/sweden.mid

Hey the US has a pretty good national anthem! ;)

Although I wish we would change ours to the "Darth Vader music", think of the intimidation...

Yes, it was either going to be that or Seasons In The Sun by Terry Jacks or Come Up And See Me Sometime (Make Me Smile) by Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel, but the four punk lads pipped them to the post.

In other words: no.

Jokes and Fun are not for you ej?

Hey the US has a pretty good national anthem! ;)

Although I wish we would change ours to the "Darth Vader music", think of the intimidation...
The irish national anthem is cool too.

Hey the US has a pretty good national anthem! ;)

Although I wish we would change ours to the "Darth Vader music", think of the intimidation...

there's no sing-along in the Darth Vader Theme. Darth Maul's Theme on the other hand... :rolleyes:

The very nationalistic Swedish Anthem.....

http://www.lengua-translations.de/anthems/sweden.mid

http://www.vikingthunderrecords.com/Ultima%20Thule%20-%20Du%20Gamla%20Du%20Fria.mp3

The soviet anthem is indeed very impressive, and one of the best, but I like the EU anthem better. "Ode an die Freude" from Beethoven's nineth, with the great lyrics by Schiller. An ode to joy; "alle Menschen wirden Brüder" - All people become brothers. It's much better than most (not to say all) patriotic and nationalistic crap.

Damn, if I lived in the USSR all they would have to do is give me an alarm clock that wakes me up in the morning with that, I'd be brainwashed in like 3 days because it's a catchy tune and it's uplifting too.

there's no sing-along in the Darth Vader Theme. Darth Maul's Theme on the other hand... :rolleyes:

No sing along needed for that song my friend.

Just think of how cool it would be to see the US flag raised the highest in the Olympics, the Darth Vader theme blaring in the background...Sweet huh?

Farflung, Ireland does have a good anthem, the Irish flag on the other hand needs to go. Why don't they bring back the Harp?

Cause it's a harp and not intimidating what so ever!

Ah, here it is - one of the most famous marching tunes ever.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/horstwessel.html

My school so Rules!!!
ahem
I go to Fordham (history major)

I like the words to the Irish national anthem but the tune sucks.

Duetchland Duetchland Uber Alles totally ruined Brahms for me. Now whenever I hear the Brahms song (sorry I am not good with "name that classical tune") I can't get the Nazi National Anthem "Deutchland Deutchland Uber Alles" out of my head. Damn Nazis.

Still cool, but it would be stupid for a stadium of 40.000 to be singing taataataatoatadaatoatadaa

Hey the US has a pretty good national anthem! ;)


Really? Youu think so? I think the star spangled banner is simply an UGLY tune, not to mention being warlike. (Bombs bursting in air)

I think we should change our anthem to America the Beautiful, you?

Jokes and Fun are not for you ej?

One thing I have learnt on the internet: never underestimate other people's stupidity.

The Star Spangled Banner performed by Jemi Hendrix . :D

Well, I think that the Soviet anthem was awesome as well when it was around. But, I like Hatikvah (the Israeli anthem) and some versions of the French O Canada. (I'm Canadian by birth).

One thing I have learnt on the internet: never underestimate other people's stupidity.

I learned that everything is nonsense/jokes unless indicated otherwise

The Star Spangled Banner performed by Jemi Hendrix . :D

Thats right, when Jimi played it, it was great. But I think the words are ugly, isnt America the Beutiful better?

There were bombs bursting in the air. That was accurate at the time of the writing of the Star Spangled Banner.

Whereas America the Beautiful is not accurate. Oh sure, PARTS of it are, but on the whole meh. America the Mostly Average Looking.

Anyway, I like Japan's national anthem. The Soviet one is good, of course. China's is also pretty fun. Bulgaria and Slovakia have some nice deep dark tones.

Most everyone else's national anthem is far too happy and lame.

Thats right, when Jimi played it, it was great. But I think the words are ugly, isnt America the Beutiful better?
I think Star Spangled Banner words are just fine. And it's a song of war which fits in with most country's anthems. I think America the Beautiful is sort of cheesy.

O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming!
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there:
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the Heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Scottish national anthem easily.
Its one of the few anthems about kicking in the heads of your enemy and pretty much encouraging rebellion (we can still fight now, and be a nation again)

Scottish national anthem easily.
Its one of the few anthems about kicking in the heads of your enemy and pretty much encouraging rebellion (we can still fight now, and be a nation again)

Its not our National Anthem. We don't have one.

And God Save the Queen's second verse just goes on about crushing the "rebellious Scots"; so it also talks about kicking in the heads of their enemy.

I think Scotland the Brave would make a decent Anthem...

There were bombs bursting in the air. That was accurate at the time of the writing of the Star Spangled Banner.

So? I never said its innacurate, I just think its ugly.

Whereas America the Beautiful is not accurate. Oh sure, PARTS of it are, but on the whole meh. America the Mostly Average Looking.
You have got to be kidding me. Have you ever been to the southwest? or the great lakes? or Yellowstone? or Yosemite? or Redwood Ntnl Forest? or the great sand dunes? I'd say that America is a damn good looking place, we just have more empty space than other countries.
Just about any part of the country that hasn't been spoiled by industry is really gorgeous. We really have prime real estate, compared with other places. (Like the middle east, OFF TOPIC: I always wondered why people move from the US to Isreal, its like "Well, I think Ill move out the middle of an inhospitable desert where most people would like to see me dead, just so I can live on the same crappy land my ancestors didn't live on 3000 years ago, because they were living in Russia." Can anybody explain this to me? it just seems wierd)

And God Save the Queen's second verse just goes on about crushing the "rebellious Scots"; so it also talks about kicking in the heads of their enemy.

Yeah, bloodshed and war is nothing new... France, Netherlands, USA, China all sing about killing the enemy.

Ah, here it is - one of the most famous marching tunes ever.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/horstwessel.html

Pardon my French, but you must be a moron!
The song was nearly only used in Germany.
And it was a sucking song.

On what planet were you born?

Right, there's Yosemite, there's also... The Midwest. And LA. And any freeway. Most cities. Glorious rivers, full of pollution. As far as beauty goes, America averages out because of the beautiful places and the ugly places.

And in any case I don't think changing the national anthem because the words aren't pretty and PC is a good idea. Right, let's just pretend the US didn't have to go through a war to become independent, or that independence means anything to America so much as beauty does!

In fact, beauty is freaking overrated.

Yeah, bloodshed and war is nothing new... France, Netherlands, USA, China all sing about killing the enemy.

Not true!

France sings about killing the reactionary forces of the ancient Europe.
It was a civilian war song!

The Netherlands have a sarcastic song about their leader William of Orange...
He was NOT the king of England!!!
But he was a conservative leader against the (in that time modern state of) Spain. It was a reactionary revolution, just like the American war of independance.

Not true!

France sings about killing the reactionary forces of the ancient Europe.
It was a civilian war song!
So what did I say about the French anthem that wasn't true? It's about bloodshed and war isn't it?

The Netherlands have a sarcastic song about their leader William of Orange...
He was NOT the king of England!!!
But he was a conservative leader against the (in that time modern state of) Spain. It was a reactionary revolution, just like the American war of independance.

The politics of the American revolution does not change the fact that the Star Spangled Banner is a song about war. And the Dutch national anthem is all about William I but also mentions the wars he fights in.

It's all war, nut because the outcome was positive for most people they just say is was a revolution or a reactionary thingy...

It's all war. Liberation Armies are Terrorists. The question is whether or not most (influential) people like them or not.

I think Star Spangled Banner words are just fine. And it's a song of war which fits in with most country's anthems. I think America the Beautiful is sort of cheesy.

O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming!
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there:
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the Heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Ahahaha no wonder the Russians laugh at you - thats:

http://idaho.indymedia.org/uploads/patriotism.png

Yes, I'm biased, but my vote has to go to the Welsh national anthem. The words are sheer poetry praising the beauty of the land, the bravery of her people and the survival of a threatened language. Anyone who can stand in a stadium full of people single this wonderful song and not shed a tear is made of stone ;-)

Right, there's Yosemite, there's also... The Midwest. And LA. And any freeway. Most cities. Glorious rivers, full of pollution. As far as beauty goes, America averages out because of the beautiful places and the ugly places.

And in any case I don't think changing the national anthem because the words aren't pretty and PC is a good idea. Right, let's just pretend the US didn't have to go through a war to become independent, or that independence means anything to America so much as beauty does!

In fact, beauty is freaking overrated.

Woah relax man. I didn;t say to change it to be PC, just cause I think the song is ugly, not just cause its warlike, but cause I just don't like the song, and I think America the beautiful is better.

Pretend we didn't fight a war for independance? You are reading into what I said to much, I am not trying to make political statement, I just think the song is ugly.

I like finnish national anthem(of course) and germany's anthem too. Russian anthem is pure sh*t. Just like the whole country.

I like finnish national anthem(of course) and germany's anthem too. Russian anthem is pure sh*t. Just like the whole country.

You are from what country?

Ahahaha no wonder the Russians laugh at you - thats:

http://idaho.indymedia.org/uploads/patriotism.png
I like my national anthem, so I am a nationalistic sheep? Russians like their national anthem too, and Scots and English and Welsh in this thread like their anthems, and so forth and so on. Why don't you go insult those people. And you are the one who said that the European Union anthem "Ode to Joy" was awesome. You spit and scream a lot, but the only point you get across is that Americans are not allowed to be patriotic, while the rest of the world can be as xenophobic and nationalistic as they want. Hypocrite.

Ok, I study music. I do not really think most anthems make really good music. I personally dislike military march like anthems. But I think the german one is the best one I know. I think the sovjet one is also nice. I also like the flute part in the American one. But both the Sovjet one and the American one make me thing about the bad things about those countries too(well the USSR doesn't exist anymore but you get the point).


You spit and scream a lot, but the only point you get across is that Americans are not allowed to be patriotic, while the rest of the world can be as xenophobic and nationalistic as they want. Hypocrite.

I can't take that serious... I don't like 'my own' anthem. And I like the ones of countries I don't really like. Try to be objective if you judge music/a composer/a performer please. And the thing about nationalism. Its pretty bad in the US, not in the rest of the world.

I like my national anthem, so I am a nationalistic sheep? Russians like their national anthem too, and Scots and English and Welsh in this thread like their anthems, and so forth and so on. Why don't you go insult those people. And you are the one who said that the European Union anthem "Ode to Joy" was awesome. You spit and scream a lot, but the only point you get across is that Americans are not allowed to be patriotic, while the rest of the world can be as xenophobic and nationalistic as they want. Hypocrite.

Oh no. You see the EU does not use patriotism as a tool to further its own aims. America is well noted for this - and your particular brand of patriotism isn't even patriotism at all - its nationalism, and its what the Government want you to feel. So you don't question anything they do.

Heres 20 on you being a Republican - derived solely from the fact you are patriotic. :D

Oh no. You see the EU does not use patriotism as a tool to further its own aims. America is well noted for this - and your particular brand of patriotism isn't even patriotism at all - its nationalism, and its what the Government want you to feel. So you don't question anything they do.

Heres 20 on you being a Republican - derived solely from the fact you are patriotic. :D

Ok, im not even American but im gonna have to step in here and question you since the points you're trying to make dont even make sense.

1) The EU does'nt 'use patriotism' since it isnt a country and theres noone to be patriotic to it.....

Also the EU doesnt have a national anthem since, again, it isnt a nation.

2) Please elaborate on the difference between patriotism and nationalism that you feel exists.

3) The government does not 'want people' to feel nationalism since effectively all western governments are internationalist in nature and liberal by default.

I like the "Deutschlandlied" as our anthem better ;) Just need to find a decent version with vocals...

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt,
wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
brüderlich zusammen hält.
Von der Maas bis an die Memel, von der
Etsch bis an den Belt.
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt.

Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang,
sollen in der Welt behalten ihren alten
schönen Klang.
Uns zu edler Tat begeistern unser ganzes
Leben lang.
Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang.

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für
das deutsche Vaterland,
danach laßt uns alle streben brüderlich mit
Herz und Hand.
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit sind
des Glückes Unterpfand.
Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes, blühe
deutsches Vaterland!

I like....

The Soviet one (I can't remember what it's called...)
Deutchland uber alles (I spelt it wrong I know...)
The Star Spangled Banner

At least that's what it is in order of liking the songs... in terms of what the lyrics say I'd have to throw the soviet one down near the bottom somewhere....

However, purely as songs, those are my 3 fav national anthems (that I've heard), in order.

Oh no. You see the EU does not use patriotism as a tool to further its own aims. America is well noted for this - and your particular brand of patriotism isn't even patriotism at all - its nationalism, and its what the Government want you to feel. So you don't question anything they do.
Here is the NWV method of debate:
Uh right... you are making up shit and putting words in my mouth again. I said I liked our anthem... and from that simple fact you triangulate all sorts of absurd conclusions... if you have a memory at all in your drug addled brain you will remember that I agreed with you just a few hours ago that the US involvement in Middle East is completely misguided. I am anti-Bush and pro-America. You are allowed to like your anthem, but you harrass other people who like their anthems.

Heres 20 on you being a Republican - derived solely from the fact you are patriotic. :D
I'm Democrat you idiot. Your stereotyping is getting more and more pathetic. Patriotism is not a bad thing, you should know because you are a lot more patriotic about your country than I am. In fact you come across as a xenophobic jingoistic nationalist, having read your posts singing praises to the Greek fatherland and what smacks of a Greek Christian crusade against Turkey.

The Nazis only sang the first paragraph:
Germany, Germany over everything in the world.....
(Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt,
wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
brüderlich zusammen hält.
Von der Maas bis an die Memel, von der
Etsch bis an den Belt.
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt.

The Federal Republic of Germany finally agreed to declare the third paragraph (and that only) of the "Deutschlandlied" to the national anthem due to an exchange of letters between chancellor Adenauer and president Heuss in 1952. In 1990 president von Weizsäcker and chancellor Kohl confirmed through an exchange of letters the third paragraph of the Deutschlandlied as national anthym of the reunified Germany:
Unity and right and liberty ......
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für
das deutsche Vaterland,
danach laßt uns alle streben brüderlich mit
Herz und Hand.
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit sind
des Glückes Unterpfand.
Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes, blühe
deutsches Vaterland

Bye the way: The EU uses to play the "Ode an die Freunde" of Beethoven as their "anthem". However without text of course.

I actually like the French anthem. It is pretty bloody from the text but good music. I´ve heard that President Reagan actually liked it as well and sang it on a state visit in Mexico actually.
Well: the American anthem is also good.

I like....

The Soviet one (I can't remember what it's called...)
.
Russia under Putin has actually declared the melody of the Soviet anthem again to the anthem of Russia (under Yeltsin it was the "patriotic song").
However they made a new text. This text by the way was composed by the same person who composed the Soviet one in the end of the 1930s. He was already 87 however wrote three alternative text. President Putin choose the most patriotic one of course.

The Nazis only sang the first paragraph:
Germany, Germany over everything in the world.....
(Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt,
wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
brüderlich zusammen hält.
Von der Maas bis an die Memel, von der
Etsch bis an den Belt.
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt.

The Federal Republic of Germany finally agreed to declare the third paragraph (and that only) of the "Deutschlandlied" to the national anthem due to an exchange of letters between chancellor Adenauer and president Heuss in 1952. In 1990 president von Weizsäcker and chancellor Kohl confirmed through an exchange of letters the third paragraph of the Deutschlandlied as national anthym of the reunified Germany:
Unity and right and liberty ......
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für
das deutsche Vaterland,
danach laßt uns alle streben brüderlich mit
Herz und Hand.
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit sind
des Glückes Unterpfand.
Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes, blühe
deutsches Vaterland

Bye the way: The EU uses to play the "Ode an die Freunde" of Beethoven as their "anthem". However without text of course.

I actually like the French anthem. It is pretty bloody from the text but good music. I´ve heard that President Reagan actually liked it as well and sang it on a state visit in Mexico actually.
Well: the American anthem is also good.
There's no legally binding text that states that only the third paragraph is the anthem. We'll need an addition to the basic law to make it our anthem, until then, I'll happily consider the entire Deutschlandlied our anthem.

There's no legally binding text that states that only the third paragraph is the anthem. We'll need an addition to the basic law to make it our anthem, until then, I'll happily consider the entire Deutschlandlied our anthem.
However to official events only the third paragrah is sung.
Our basic law doesn´t say anything about our anthem. It doesn´t mention the eagle either. But it states that black-red-gold is our national flag, though.

The Canadian national anthem is good but I want it changed to the I AM CANADIAN song. Either way the Canadian anthem is the best, Oh Canada or I AM CANADIAN.

Because of a lack of desk chair I can't stay and chat so seee ya.

However to official events only the third paragrah is sung.
Our basic law doesn´t say anything about our anthem. It doesn´t mention the eagle either. But it states that black-red-gold is our national flag, though.
It doesnt matter what is sung at "official" events. Its best to keep it short and spicey I guess, not to sing the entire anthem. The eagle is not German either, it hasnot much t odo with our nation. It has no legal recognition of being anything in Germany. Alas it is being used on the currency and in our parliament. Its not German though. Black-Red-Gold are our national colors though, since that has been declared to be our national flag in the "constitution". The first 2 paragraphs of the Deutschlandlied are not considered anthem because they are mistaken for being too nationalist or "nazi", which is entirely untrue. At the time when the hymn was written by Fallersleben, Germany was a nationsplit into 40 states and unity was desired above all. He put this desire into the hymn and especially with the lack of national pride and patriotism (though we do not need it to the degree the US have it), I think Germany needs an anthem that is more than the 3rd paragraph of a song. It should be the entire song which holds a lot of value, especially today.

It doesnt matter what is sung at "official" events. Its best to keep it short and spicey I guess, not to sing the entire anthem. The eagle is not German either, it hasnot much t odo with our nation. It has no legal recognition of being anything in Germany. Alas it is being used on the currency and in our parliament. Its not German though. Black-Red-Gold are our national colors though, since that has been declared to be our national flag in the "constitution". The first 2 paragraphs of the Deutschlandlied are not considered anthem because they are mistaken for being too nationalist or "nazi", which is entirely untrue. At the time when the hymn was written by Fallersleben, Germany was a nationsplit into 40 states and unity was desired above all. He put this desire into the hymn and especially with the lack of national pride and patriotism (though we do not need it to the degree the US have it), I think Germany needs an anthem that is more than the 3rd paragraph of a song. It should be the entire song which holds a lot of value, especially today.
I rather prefer to stick to the third paragraph. That is a good text. The other onces are to nationalistic, especially the first one. That would create problems since it implies a claim to territories which today lay in Lithuania (Memel) or Kaliningrad, France (Maas), Italy (Etsch in South Tirol) and Denmark (Belt).
And by the way: The kings of the Holy Roman Empire used the eagle (the european sea eagle) in their flags since more than a thousand years. That is also the case for many german duces (e.g.). The eagle has a longer tradition than black-red-gold. The fact that other nations use an eagle as well doesn´t change that (e.g. the Americans use the American sea eagle: that is not the same as the European sea eagle, though).

I rather prefer to stick to the third paragraph. That is a good text. The other onces are to nationalistic, especially the first one. That would create problems since it implies a claim to territories which today lay in Lithuania (Memel) or Kaliningrad, France (Maas), Italy (Etsch in South Tirol) and Denmark (Belt).
And by the way: The kings of the Holy Roman Empire used the eagle (the european sea eagle) in their flags since more than a thousand years. That is also the case for many german duces (e.g.). The eagle has a longer tradition than black-red-gold. The fact that other nations use an eagle as well doesn´t change that (e.g. the Americans use the American sea eagle: that is not the same as the European sea eagle, though).
I'm all for making the eagle a German national symbol. Its being used as that anyway. Regarding the first paragraph, I agree that its a little nationalistic and outdated today. Maybe it could be rephrased to not include regions that once were German (for over 1500 years) and are now in other nations who got it through war or "looting rights" of the allies after WW2.

come on nazi you know you like deutchland deutchland best

come on nazi you know you like deutchland deutchland best
I'm not a Nazi, but I like Deutschland best, you are right :)

And here's a link with a vocal version:

http://www.uni-stuttgart.de/STUDinfo/hilaritas/SAMPLES/dlied.mp3

heh that anthem it to catchey for some one so evil

heh that anthem it to catchey for some one so evil
It's the German anthem, so its perfectly fine for me. That I hate the US and their future plans doesnt make me anything else. I'm still German and proud to be German :)

dont worry i got nothing wrong with germans i loved german culture....up till 1932 it kinda took a dip there ;)

dont worry i got nothing wrong with germans i loved german culture....up till 1932 it kinda took a dip there ;)
Giga is pretty left-wing though. I´m not. But I´m not a nazi.

Giga is pretty left-wing though. I´m not. But I´m not a nazi.
I'm not left-wing. I dont consider myself part of any "wing" since I am not part of any party. I think for myself and what I as a human can tolerate and support and what not. That many of my views are equal to leftist or liberal views, is a coincidence. Overall I am German and I hate to see my homecountry and the world fall into the trap of uncontrolled capitalism.

You have got to love that anthem - its the best ever.

Thanks, I've been looking for a decent version of that.

Well, thinking about looking, anyway.

Definately Deutschlandlied before the Bundesrepublik gradually butchered it after WW2 for being too nationalistic but when you compare it to Les Marseilles ( sp? ) it is barely agressive or nationalistic.

http://www.mod.gov.sk/coch2000/english/slovensko/symbolika/pics/znak.gif

Nad Tatrou sa blyska
hromy divo biju

Zastavme ich bratia
ved sa oni stratia
Slovaci oziju

To Slovensko nase
dosial tvrdo spalo

Ale blesky hromu
vzbudzuju ho k tomu
aby sa prebralo

http://www.prezident.sk/data_swift/media/hlas.wma

Corrini,

so you are from the Slovak Republic.
Well: I don´t understand the text but I think I see mountains and blue in there???

Ok, im not even American but im gonna have to step in here and question you since the points you're trying to make dont even make sense.

1) The EU does'nt 'use patriotism' since it isnt a country and theres noone to be patriotic to it.....

Also the EU doesnt have a national anthem since, again, it isnt a nation.

2) Please elaborate on the difference between patriotism and nationalism that you feel exists.

3) The government does not 'want people' to feel nationalism since effectively all western governments are internationalist in nature and liberal by default.

1) EU member nations don't use patriotism - that was the jist of my comment if you didn't get it.

2) Oh there is a big difference - to say there isn't is stupid.

Patriotism
Patriotism is a feeling of love and devotion to one's own homeland (patria, the land of one's fathers). This article surveys the concept of patriotism from the viewpoints of history, politics, ethics, and biology.

Nationalism
[n] the doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other
[n] the doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals
[n] the aspiration for national independence felt by people under foreign domination

3) Thats just folly - to think that all Governments want people to feel Liberal and internationalist is a Right Wing argument designed to attack Liberal immigration policy. I've heard it many a time before.

Here is the NWV method of debate:
having read your posts singing praises to the Greek fatherland and what smacks of a Greek Christian crusade against Turkey.

Actually I've restrained myself pretty well against what I'd define as moronic statements from you, stereotyping of entire cultures be them Greek or Arabic seems to be a trait of yours and proves, quite conclusively, that politics in the United States is nationalistic by default. To talk of a 'Greek Crusade' against Turkey clearly defines, above all your other 'subtle' racist commentary. Here are some written reports of Human Rights abuses as reported by the UNHCR in '76, names have been left out due to fear of reprisal attacks.

"Once again they (The Turkish soldiers) started hitting the man near the church, and one Turk hit me on the feet. At about 14.00 hours they took the men towards the river bed, I then heard shooting and gathered that they had killed them. Before they took them away, they hit L. with the rifle butt on his arms and L. Cried and shouted that they had cut his arm..... On the next day I went to the sheepfold and from there towards the riverbed. I saw there lying dead L. and...... (names another 5 persons including her husband)."

Care to hear some more breaches of Articles 27, 28, 30 and 31 of The Geneva Convention? I've got a lot more here.

'Singing praises to The Greek Fatherland'

I had to laugh when I saw this one. He uses a term 'fatherland' which we Greeks never use. He uses it for one reason only - that it will make Greeks on the whole look more nationalistic. He also chooses to ignore his own 'praises' of The US, including preivous posts where he advocates the use of force against civilian targets in Iraq - post the Muhdi Uprising. Jingoism? I think we have found it right here.

"I speak and write Turkish fluently, and I understood what they were saying. I replied in Turkish and begged them not to kill us as we were poor bread winners. My children were crying. They then set fire to the crops and made my wife who was barefooted (she had no time to put her shoes on) to walk on red hot charcoal. She was screaming with pain."

Until such time as your people experience something like that which was experienced by my people, shut your mouth, you know nothing.

Another documented, confirmed abuse by Turkish Soldiers from The UNHCR. This time a daughter of a priest.

"I noticed the Zip-Fastener of her trousers was broken, her underclothes torn and her breasts had marks caused by biting. She told how the Turks had treated her. They tied her hands, tore her trousers and then raped her."

A barbaric people who deserve death. If the time comes for Greeks to call up arms against them, I will be first in line for my revenge, though we would never stoop to the level of raping women and killing old men and women - we are not barbarians. Anyone above 16 would be shot and thier abodes would be burnt down, nothing else.

Actually I've restrained myself pretty well against what I'd define as moronic statements from you, stereotyping of entire cultures be them Greek or Arabic seems to be a trait of yours and proves, quite conclusively,
Your lies and tired rhetoric are getting you nowhere... I have not stereotyped Greeks, I have just characterized you, one individual, as a xenophobic nationalist. Where did I make a blanket judgment about Greeks in general?

And I have made a thesis about Islam, not Arabs. You cannot find a single example of where I have criticized the Arab race. I have only criticized certain aspects of modern Islamic culture which are embraced not only by Arabs but also by whites, blacks, whoever.

that politics in the United States is nationalistic by default. To talk of a 'Greek Crusade' against Turkey clearly defines, above all your other 'subtle' racist commentary.
Yeah whatever. You completely missed my point. My saying "Greek Crusade" is a not-so-subtle observation that you are always saying I am an anti-Muslim hatemonger, but it is you who kept going on and on about those 'Turks burning Christian churches' and calls for revenge and using all sorts of Crusades-era rhetoric... it would appear you are the one seeking a crusade, not me.

Here are some written reports of Human Rights abuses as reported by the UNHCR in '76, names have been left out due to fear of reprisal attacks.

"Once again they (The Turkish soldiers) started hitting the man near the church, and one Turk hit me on the feet. At about 14.00 hours they took the men towards the river bed, I then heard shooting and gathered that they had killed them. Before they took them away, they hit L. with the rifle butt on his arms and L. Cried and shouted that they had cut his arm..... On the next day I went to the sheepfold and from there towards the riverbed. I saw there lying dead L. and...... (names another 5 persons including her husband)."

Care to hear some more breaches of Articles 27, 28, 30 and 31 of The Geneva Convention? I've got a lot more here.

I didn't dispute your demand for justice for the Greek Cypriots. But why didn't you just say, "the Turks did a terrible crime, and we need to correct it in the name of decency and justice". That would have been enough and I would have agreed with you. Why did you then inject your point with strongly nationalistic elements, like a romanticizing of your side's soldiers, wrapping your words with references to Christianity, and vowing bloody revenge on the enemy? You are the ultra-nationalist; you see everything in an us-vs.-them, tribal perspective.


'Singing praises to The Greek Fatherland'

I had to laugh when I saw this one. He uses a term 'fatherland' which we Greeks never use. He uses it for one reason only - that it will make Greeks on the whole look more nationalistic. He also chooses to ignore his own 'praises' of The US, including preivous posts where he advocates the use of force against civilian targets in Iraq - post the Muhdi Uprising. Jingoism? I think we have found it right here.
LOLOLOL You are so full of shit. Your lies are endless aren't they? Do you have some lying disease or something? Where the hell did I "advocate the use of force against civilian targets in Iraq?" I dare you to find a post where I wrote anything like that. Let your failure to find such a post dissuade you from ever again making up lies and then putting it into my mouth. I don't even support the war in Iraq and now you are coming up with this sort of bullshit. Ridiculous.

I like the "Deutschlandlied" as our anthem better ;) Just need to find a decent version with vocals...

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt,
wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
brüderlich zusammen hält.
Von der Maas bis an die Memel, von der
Etsch bis an den Belt.
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt.

Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang,
sollen in der Welt behalten ihren alten
schönen Klang.
Uns zu edler Tat begeistern unser ganzes
Leben lang.
Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang.

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für
das deutsche Vaterland,
danach laßt uns alle streben brüderlich mit
Herz und Hand.
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit sind
des Glückes Unterpfand.
Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes, blühe
deutsches Vaterland!

I have to agree with Gigatron, this is probably the best anthem even written.

"I speak and write Turkish fluently, and I understood what they were saying. I replied in Turkish and begged them not to kill us as we were poor bread winners. My children were crying. They then set fire to the crops and made my wife who was barefooted (she had no time to put her shoes on) to walk on red hot charcoal. She was screaming with pain."

Until such time as your people experience something like that which was experienced by my people, shut your mouth, you know nothing.
I feel sorry for all the innocent victims in the Greek-Turkish conflicts and of all wars in general but just to let you know you have no right to criticize my historical persepective... the magnitude of atrocities my people have suffered dwarfs all the crimes committed against the Greeks.

And if you would permit me to ask, what has are the crimes your people have suffered? Unless of course you are Jewish, in which case I agree with you - the crimes committed do dwarf that of Cyprus. But it still doesn't make it any more right.

And if you would permit me to ask, what has are the crimes your people have suffered? Unless of course you are Jewish, in which case I agree with you - the crimes committed do dwarf that of Cyprus. But it still doesn't make it any more right.
My family is from China which suffered from a Holocaust at the hands of Japan during WWII comparable to the one perpetrated against Jews by the Nazis... the Japanese war crimes against Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, and other Asians were even greater in magnitude than the Nazi Holocaust, and had equally sadistic and criminal intent. Though everyone knows about the Nazi Holocaust because of the de-Nazification efforts, unfortunately not many outside east Asia know about the Asian Holocaust because the Japanese government run by convicted war criminals has actively whitewashed history. And nothing will make the crimes in Cyprus right, but do keep in mind that many people in the world have suffered unimaginable losses and can easily relate to the devastation in Cyprus.

My family is from China which suffered from a Holocaust at the hands of Japan during WWII comparable to the one perpetrated against Jews by the Nazis... the Japanese war crimes against Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, and other Asians were even greater in magnitude than the Nazi Holocaust, and had equally sadistic and criminal intent. Though everyone knows about the Nazi Holocaust because of the de-Nazification efforts, unfortunately not many outside east Asia know about the Asian Holocaust because the Japanese government run by convicted war criminals has actively whitewashed history. And nothing will make the crimes in Cyprus right, but do keep in mind that many people in the world have suffered unimaginable losses and can easily relate to the devastation in Cyprus.
Apart from Americans - who consider the death of a soldier a civilian and feel the need to bomb civilians into the dust if somebody dares attack an American Military target (Pearl Harbour - Which was an Imperialist Colony) and then the disgusting crimes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - the Pilots of The Enola Gay should hang thier heads in shame instead of parading around like they are heroes.

God Save the Queen by Sex Pistols?
As a loyal American...F*cking right you are!!!! The Pistols certainly made GStQ the best anthem.

Apart from Americans - who consider the death of a soldier a civilian and feel the need to bomb civilians into the dust if somebody dares attack an American Military target (Pearl Harbour - Which was an Imperialist Colony) and then the disgusting crimes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - the Pilots of The Enola Gay should hang thier heads in shame instead of parading around like they are heroes.

The Americans lost many soldiers before Pearl Harbor and didn't go to war. The Panay was sunk, two destroyers were torpedoed in the Atlantic, and several Americans had been caught in the crossfire between China and Japan. What makes Pearl Harbor different was, first, there was no decleration of war (it came an hour later), second, it was a delibrate attack to destroy the United States ability to defend itself, British, Australian, New Zealand, Chinese, and Filipino colonies and homelands, what should the US have done.

Furthermore to say Americans no nothing of the suffering other people's have undergone is just ignorant. It wasn't just Filipino soldiers who surrendered in 1941, or at Wake or Guam. These soldiers, and the civilians who had fled with them, were treated despicably. Eight American POW's captured after bailing out of a doomed B-29, were disected alive at the Kyoto University. Going even further back, the American-Indian wars that finally ended with the destruction of the last Indian states in the 1880's were some of the most brutal recorded history can come up with. Both sides committed horrible atrocities on each other, entire settlements were wiped out.

My family is from China which suffered from a Holocaust at the hands of Japan during WWII comparable to the one perpetrated against Jews by the Nazis... the Japanese war crimes against Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, and other Asians were even greater in magnitude than the Nazi Holocaust, and had equally sadistic and criminal intent. Though everyone knows about the Nazi Holocaust because of the de-Nazification efforts, unfortunately not many outside east Asia know about the Asian Holocaust because the Japanese government run by convicted war criminals has actively whitewashed history. And nothing will make the crimes in Cyprus right, but do keep in mind that many people in the world have suffered unimaginable losses and can easily relate to the devastation in Cyprus.
I am very well read on the Asian holocaust. It is a disgrace that even today people still do not know the full horror of those times. Some attrocities are still being felt in the form of diseases in some rural areas of China.
My cousin married into a Chinese family and they helped me cultivate serious distatse for the Japanese long before I did any reading, for what amounts to almost the worst human treatment in history to which they have not had to pay for.

I am very well read on the Asian holocaust. It is a disgrace that even today people still do not know the full horror of those times. Some attrocities are still being felt in the form of diseases in some rural areas of China.
My cousin married into a Chinese family and they helped me cultivate serious distatse for the Japanese long before I did any reading, for what amounts to almost the worst human treatment in history to which they have not had to pay for.

Erm, not all Japanese partook in these crimes as terrible as they were, I've met Japanese people who hang thier head and blush when you mention China. The Japanese Army was brainwashed, and some even suspect given drugs on the eve of battles to fuel hatred of the enemy.

Apart from Americans - who consider the death of a soldier a civilian and feel the need to bomb civilians into the dust if somebody dares attack an American Military target (Pearl Harbour - Which was an Imperialist Colony) and then the disgusting crimes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - the Pilots of The Enola Gay should hang thier heads in shame instead of parading around like they are heroes.
Again I am saddened by the enormous loss of innocent life at Hiroshima and Nagasaki... however you have that these matters of war are very morally murky and you cannot be totally sure when judging right or wrong. Most Chinese and Koreans feel that Japan got what it deserved at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A lot of Asians people would like to throw a hundred more nukes at Japan if they got the chance. And the fact that Hiroshima is a "United Nations World Heritage Site" while the Rape of Nanking, during which Japanese soldiers killed 360,000 Chinese civilians in three months, is not, deeply angers many Chinese people. There is still a lot of tension between the nation of Japan and its neighbors. You have said you wanted revenge against the Turks who have committed the heinous crimes against Greek Cypriots... however you are criticizing the nuking of Japan which is very much praised by other Asians as good revenge for the crimes of Japan. I am not saying Hiroshima was right, but you cannot make such hasty judgments about such events, just as you tell others not to make opinions about the Cyprus conflict if they do not know firsthand the pain and suffering.

Again I am saddened by the enormous loss of innocent life at Hiroshima and Nagasaki... however you have that these matters of war are very morally murky and you cannot be totally sure when judging right or wrong. Most Chinese and Koreans feel that Japan got what it deserved at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A lot of Asians people would like to throw a hundred more nukes at Japan if they got the chance. And the fact that Hiroshima is a "United Nations World Heritage Site" while the Rape of Nanking, during which Japanese soldiers killed 360,000 Chinese civilians in three months, is not, deeply angers many Chinese people. There is still a lot of tension between the nation of Japan and its neighbors. You have said you wanted revenge against the Turks who have committed the heinous crimes against Greek Cypriots... however you are criticizing the nuking of Japan which is very much praised by other Asians as good revenge for the crimes of Japan. I am not saying Hiroshima was right, but you cannot make such hasty judgments about such events, just as you tell others not to make opinions about the Cyprus conflict if they do not know firsthand the pain and suffering.
The difference being that Cyprus was in 1974, and we had no one to back us up in what should have been a civilised era. And Japans intolerance stems from the belief that the Emperor was God - which led on to the matter of 'honour', it was this kind of indoctrination that subdued any rsistance to the Imerpialists in Japan.

Turks on the otherhand - are just plain barbaric - its in thier blood.

For example, when The Greeks uprised in 1822 and drove off the barbarians - that the Turks got one of the leaders of the resistance and skewered him up the base of his spine out of his mouth, and started cooking him over a fire while he was alive.

Though we had great revenge that day - it was not enough - the only time thier sins will be forgiven is when we sack the city of Constantinople and return it to Greece.

So? I never said its innacurate, I just think its ugly.


You have got to be kidding me. Have you ever been to the southwest? or the great lakes? or Yellowstone? or Yosemite? or Redwood Ntnl Forest? or the great sand dunes? I'd say that America is a damn good looking place, we just have more empty space than other countries.
Just about any part of the country that hasn't been spoiled by industry is really gorgeous.

Yeah but that's true of just abput any country. Nature isn't in general ugly.

I've met Japanese people who hang thier head and blush when you mention China
I also know many Japanese who are ashamed of the nation's war crimes during WWII and are willing to confront their ancestors' misdeeds. However that is the exception. Most Japanese don't know anything about what happened, due to the censorship in Japan... their education discusses very little about WWII history. Japan is even reluctant to admit they lost the war, and the official textbooks NEVER use the words 'Japanese surrender'. I have been to Japan, and many people don't even know who won WWII when asked.

The Japanese Army was brainwashed, and some even suspect given drugs on the eve of battles to fuel hatred of the enemy.
The Japanese Army can be compared to the German SS and SA stormtroopers - they were taught that non-Japanese were animals, just as the Nazis believed that non-whites were animals... thus these people slaughtered their enemies without a second thought, because to them they were just killing vermin.

I also know many Japanese who are ashamed of the nation's war crimes during WWII and are willing to confront their ancestors' misdeeds. However that is the exception. Most Japanese don't know anything about what happened, due to the censorship in Japan... their education discusses very little about WWII history. Japan is even reluctant to admit they lost the war, and the official textbooks NEVER use the words 'Japanese surrender'. I have been to Japan, and many people don't even know who won WWII when asked.

I've heard that as well - The Emperor cannot even apologise because people believe him to be infallable. Its truly disgusting that in this day and age they can't confront thier past - but then again I don't know that much on this subject as I only know Japanese English, who are disgusted by thier own Armies crimes.

But I also know The Americans committed disgusting crimes - I have a friend whose Grandad was a front line fighter for The Italians when they revolted against Mussolini and started fighting the Germans - One of the main battles he fought at was The Battle of The River Po. And I remember him once telling my friend that once every 2 or 3 days, when the Prisoner numbers had started to increase, The Americans would gather around 30-40 Prisoners bring them into a local graveyard, make them dig a hole and then shoot them.

None of these troops were SS. As he said so.

The difference being that Cyprus was in 1974, and we had no one to back us up in what should have been a civilised era. And Japans intolerance stems from the belief that the Emperor was God - which led on to the matter of 'honour', it was this kind of indoctrination that subdued any rsistance to the Imerpialists in Japan.
Are you trying to say that the Asian Holocaust was less evil because it happened in less civilized times? By your logic the Greek genocide was far more atrocious than the Nazi Holocaust, because the Nazis were indoctrinated in a belief (of the Master Race) just as ridiculous as the divinity of the Japanese Emperor. No matter the circumstances, nothing justifies the brutal slaughter, rape, and torture of innocent lives.

Turks on the otherhand - are just plain barbaric - its in thier blood.

You are always accusing others of being racist but you show your own disgusting bigotry. When others say they dislike all Japanese you are quick to point out (correctly) that not all Japanese were involved in the holocaust, however you do not hesitate to make a narrowminded judgment of all Turks.
For example, when The Greeks uprised in 1822 and drove off the barbarians - that the Turks got one of the leaders of the resistance and skewered him up the base of his spine out of his mouth, and started cooking him over a fire while he was alive.
Cannibalism was very commonplace among Japanse Army. Japanese soldiers would also compete to see who could behead the most Chinese civilians in a certain amount of time. Then the results are published in the next day's Tokyo newspaper as if it were a sport.

But I'm not trying to say the crimes against Greeks were any less evil... however I am refuting your claim that Greek genocides are more evil. Both the Greek genocides and the Asian Holocaust are equally disturbing testaments to the human capacity for destruction.

Though we had great revenge that day - it was not enough - the only time thier sins will be forgiven is when we sack the city of Constantinople and return it to Greece.
Many Asians think that the nuking of Japan is good revenge, just as you think that the sacking of Istanbul would be good revenge. Thus when you unequivocally call Hiroshima a 'crime' but you simultaneously want pillage and rapine against the Turks you show your hypocrisy. These things are very morally murky and you are wrong to claim the sole correct perspective.

I've heard that as well - The Emperor cannot even apologise because people believe him to be infallable. Its truly disgusting that in this day and age they can't confront thier past - but then again I don't know that much on this subject as I only know Japanese English, who are disgusted by thier own Armies crimes.

But I also know The Americans committed disgusting crimes - I have a friend whose Grandad was a front line fighter for The Italians when they revolted against Mussolini and started fighting the Germans - One of the main battles he fought at was The Battle of The River Po. And I remember him once telling my friend that once every 2 or 3 days, when the Prisoner numbers had started to increase, The Americans would gather around 30-40 Prisoners bring them into a local graveyard, make them dig a hole and then shoot them.

None of these troops were SS. As he said so.

In times of war humanity's potential for criminal behavior is fully revealed... whether American or Japanese or Turk or Greek. No civilization in the world is innocent of barbaric acts.

Horst Wessel and Soviet anthem, both are masterpieces.

I'm not nazi or communist, i actually deeply endorse both ideologies.
I still however like the style of WW2 Germany.
Man those weapons,tanks,propaganda,regalia,flags and uniforms all are inceribly stylish. Then i like the same things about USSR. Though USSR weren't as stylish as Germany was.

I think Star Spangled Banner words are just fine. And it's a song of war which fits in with most country's anthems. I think America the Beautiful is sort of cheesy.

O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming!
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there:
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the Heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Ya wanna know a funny history fact in relation to "Star Spangled Banner?"

During WWII and the Cold War, it was a way of detecting spies. If the person knew the whole thing(all four verses), they were a spy. Because no "normal" American knew, or does know for that matter, the other three verses to the song.

Another thing; William Scott Key originally wrote the song to the tune of an old British drinking song, but they changed the tune when "Star Spangled Banner" became the national anthem in the 1930s.

I'm not nazi or communist, i actually deeply endorse both ideologies.

Hahah.

Nah I agree with you - American Military Uniforms were just green rags, The Germans looked so smart.

Horst Wessel = One of the best ever.

Many Asians think that the nuking of Japan is good revenge, just as you think that the sacking of Istanbul would be good revenge. Thus when you unequivocally call Hiroshima a 'crime' but you simultaneously want pillage and rapine against the Turks you show your hypocrisy. These things are very morally murky and you are wrong to claim the sole correct perspective.
The thing is - you talk about how misinformed Japanese are. But you clearly haven't met Turks then - They are Ultra-Nationalistic and the very few who dare to challenge the regime get thrown in jail or worse. Chomsky's Publisher for example.

To be on topic, one I know all the words to the Star Spangle Banner I had to learn them.
Two, while I do adore the American National Anthem, I would appreciate some of the people posting to post the lyrics or a link to the history of the anthem of their respective nation-I know Canada's and I know GStQ, but pretty much everything is beyond me so I cant in earnest say which I think is best because I am sorely un-informed.

Deutschland uber Alles , duh

Ya wanna know a funny history fact in relation to "Star Spangled Banner?"

During WWII and the Cold War, it was a way of detecting spies. If the person knew the whole thing(all four verses), they were a spy. Because no "normal" American knew, or does know for that matter, the other three verses to the song.

Another thing; William Scott Key originally wrote the song to the tune of an old British drinking song, but they changed the tune when "Star Spangled Banner" became the national anthem in the 1930s.


haha, how true. When i read the post i was like.. what's this other 3 verses... never heard of them. Phew guess i'm not spys.

Here's a link to all 192 national anthems of the world. Enjoy :D

http://www.thenationalanthems.com/

That link is great, I dont even know where to start.
I have read some the obscure small nations and they have sweat anthems.

"We'd rather die in battle, and do it in full glory,

Than live again like slaves in our dear old land."

the last wo lines of the Romanian national anthem.