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Ive seen several posts on this but havent seen a Non-American say exactly why they hate the United States so much. So this goes out to all others that are not Americans. What is it that you hate about America?

I'm an American, so the best I can contribute is this:

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/canguide_4_aaa.php

I don't hate america, but I hate things which are more present in america then elsewhere (note it is not all america, just a big part of it) :

* arrogance
* ignorance
* capitalism
* militarism

I hate the states because it is a pillar of capitalism and the american people belive that the states is the best most powerful country in the world
However I do like the people and enjoy there company

the american people belive that the states is the best most powerful country in the world


its a fact though

its a fact thoughNo.

I hate the American goverment and it's aroggance not the American people themselves.

It is a fact that the U.S. is the leading nation or one of the leading nations for many different things, while for other aspects they are right down there with third world countries.

I don't hate america, but I hate things which are more present in america then elsewhere (note it is not all america, just a big part of it) :

* arrogance
* ignorance
* capitalism
* militarism

I'm glad to hear that we're not totally hated. Americans aren't much more ignorant than the general population of most of the world...including countries where people are purposely kept ignorant to keep certain regimes in power. While I typically don't agree with the government's use of the military, it is far from being the worst example of military abuse. Capitalism works for America....socialism and communism, while extremely pretty ideas on paper, rarely pan out in developed, industrialised countries. It's unfortunate, but true.

Americans may be uninformed, slightly misguided and subject to fits of conservative Christianity...but as a whole, it's not such a bad place to be. I can certainly think of much worse...

i dislike the usa becuase your coffee is like having sex on the beach.

f**kin' close to water.

America and American people are ok in general but:

-I hate Mr Bush, especially since his "the EU has to give u a date..." BS in Turkye.
-No offense but There's not enough life in most American towns, places. I've been there a couple years ago. It was really fun in the cities cause atleast there you can have fun after 2200h.
-My former boss was in the US for his job, he didnt go to church very often, his neighbours refused to talk to him because of it.

Thats all.

Why is it that Americans seem to think that disagreement with the US means hatred of its people etc.

Just because there is dissent and widespread criticism over a dangerously inept foreign policy from a questionably-elected government doesn't mean the universal loathing of the country. However, it's a brilliant tactic for those who wish to remain in power- "Got criticism over a dubious policy? Just claim that those who have problems with it are corrupt/evil (beautiful statesmanship there)/America-haters".

Americans aren't much more ignorant than the general population of most of the world...including countries where people are purposely kept ignorant to keep certain regimes in power.

New Slogan for America: We aren't much more ignorant than people who are purposely kept ignorant! ~ Oh, and we're not as bad as Saddam either!

Why is it that Americans seem to think that disagreement with the US means hatred of its people etc.


Because America is an alcoholic. Power makes us drunk, and when someone tries to stage an intervention, we storm off half-way around the world and pick a fight.

I'm an American, so the best I can contribute is this:

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/canguide_4_aaa.php

Maybe the best thing would have been to not contribute when you are not adressed. The title isnt that hard to understand, isnt it? ;)

I dont hate America, you cant hate a nation or rather a whole continent, nor its people as a whole.

What bothers me are several things:
There is an overflow of hubris in the US.
The perceived "America first" leaning a large portion of the populace shares with the current administration, be it economically, cultural, in education or political.
The often mentioned error how the USA is the mother of democracy. Not only false historically, but in fact the US are no democracy.
Large influence of backward oriented groups like the moral majority.
Death penalty.
Gun laws are not restrictive enough.
"Defending" itself around the globe, even where nations can technically not harm the US.
Implementing the right of free speech, but not the spirit. There are more regulations when you may not exercise that right concerning civil service, military personnel, private sector etc. than are doing this basic right good.
The jurisprudence is gaining too much influence over the legislative.
A warped history sense, e.g., a lot of people still think the McCarthy witchhunts were justified to rescue the US from the imminent threat of communism and equal everything left of the Democrats with socialists.
The prevailance of the TV as the information media of choice. TV has to transport its message in simple, ready-to-bite concepts. Unfortunately life is more complex, thus a distorted view of the world is created.

I still have some beef left, but thats all for now. :p

I came home from the states june 23rd this year after one full year as an exchangestudent in Eugene, OR, and I loved it! What I do not like about the states is their politics. And Bush. He just can't be the president. If he had done everything himself the country would go down in flames. I'm sure of it!
But when it comes to the people of the US, and the "culture" such as different holidays etc, I love it! People are more welcoming than most europeans. At least on the surface. Allthough people in the US seem more superficial, they are more welcoming. Also one annoying thing about the US is that parents are a little bit too much protective. Here in Norway you see kids walking around in the streets by themselves. In the US parents drive their kids less than a mile (1.6 km) to school because the kids may get kidnapped, raped and killed. It will never happen, but parents are a little paranoid.
Except from all of this, there's only one thing it boils down to. ABB! Anyone But Bush. Not more to say. =)

I hate Americans who constantly annoy me with the question: "Why do you hate America(ns)?".

I hate Americans who tell other Americans that non-Americans hate Americans. (interpret this how you will)

Usually, in a normal day, I couldn't be arsed thinking about America or Americans... life is just too short for that.

I don't think the majority of the persons who resent US-influence hate the American General population.
The resentment is mostly directed at the current US government, who they feel only represents the interests of a selected few privilaged groups. If the US goes back to exporting their culture (eg. Hollywood films, McDonalds, Coca Cola, Manafactured Music Acts) instead of invading soverign nations, one'd think that the resentment will drop back to fringe-groups and Ultra-nationalists/traditionalists.

Of course, its all 'IMHO'.

JiangGuo

In US ther's too much different cultures, i hate the exessive christianism. i hate the hypocrise of the politicans and the fucking oppressive democratic system. I hate when americans say they saved italy from Mussolini, because they brought us Mafia, corruption and perversion. (Mussolini was better)
I hate when american governament say to be the protector of the peace in the world. I hate we must have US military bases in our nation, i hate US controls our economy.

GIVE US OUR FREEDOM

By an italian fascist.

Well, every American I've met, I've got on well with. I think a lot of anti-Americanism is due to the fact that they are very powerful.

However there are a lot of reasons why people may dislike the US for legitimate reasons, some of which apply to me, some which don't:

America allowed the IRA to collect money openly in America before 9/11. The fact that people gave money to a terrorist organisation which has killed people says something about these people. (Criminally ill informed, permissive of terrorism (not any more, obviously, but that doesn't console people killed with bombs built with American money))

America continued illegal trade tariffs which were damaging to other countries economies (British Steel for instance) for 20 months, only ending them when countries affected had to threaten to impose their own tariffs on American goods. (selfish and inward looking?)

America has seriously damaged the Kyoto treaty by refusing to become a signatory. They have 4% of the worlds population and apparently create 25% of emissions. (Selfish again, short sighted and irresponsible)

Hollywood rewrites history frequently, to portray Americans as heroes, which is not fair on the existing heroes who gave their lives for a particular cause. (self-centred, revisionist, disrespectful)

America believes it is reasonable to portray France in a horrendously negative light solely for not sharing their beliefs that a war on Iraq was justified, and for asking to give the inspectors more time. At time of writing no WMDs have been found. (disrespectful, self-centred, a bully)

Some Americans believe that, although it took them so long to join a war against a genocidal and undeniably evil foe, and even then waited until they were attacked, they won the war pretty much single handed. A lot of them portray the French as "surrender monkeys" and suchlike. (inward looking, arrogant)

It is acceptable for Bush to have avoided serving his country in Vietnam through influence and friends in high places. It would be unthinkable that a concientious objector was running for president. He would have no chance. So America is ok with a guy who said "I don't want my ass on the line, I wonder if daddies friends can help", but would have no truck with a guy who said "this war is wrong, I'd rather rot in jail as a protest than contribute to it"

Now, although none of these affect my opinion of any single American I met (except Bush :-D), many of these actions or sentiments make me cross. So I think these are some of the reasons America is not well regarded across the world. Also it's worth bearing in mind that while the current actions are not those of the people, but of the government, the people choose the government. If Bush is reelected then a lot of the American people support what he has done, and he will continue to make similar decisions.

I'm glad to hear that we're not totally hated. Americans aren't much more ignorant than the general population of most of the world...including countries where people are purposely kept ignorant to keep certain regimes in power. While I typically don't agree with the government's use of the military, it is far from being the worst example of military abuse. Capitalism works for America....socialism and communism, while extremely pretty ideas on paper, rarely pan out in developed, industrialised countries. It's unfortunate, but true.

Americans may be uninformed, slightly misguided and subject to fits of conservative Christianity...but as a whole, it's not such a bad place to be. I can certainly think of much worse...
I hate the things I said, I don't hate america. If america has 10% ignorance, I hate 10% of america. if it's 90%, I hate 90%. If China is has 90%, I hate 90% of china too. It doesn't matter if it is america or not. I hate things, not country/people/region.
Capitalism is definately something I hate.

Google "Hate America' and you get about 116000 results.
Here's ten of them:

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/
http://paknews.com/articles.php?id=1&date1=2001-10-06
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/923
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=22211
http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html
http://www.mediamonitors.net/scottmcconnell1.html
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004261.html
http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboFUCKINGUSAHI.html
http://johnw.host.sk/ar/why_does_the_world_hate_america.htm
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0971394253/104-3965122-2618363?v=glance

Boy, do I hate having to do other people's work for them!

I don't hate America, I don't hate Americans. Some aspects of American culture annoy me, but so do aspects of every culture. Some Americans are arrogant, but so are some Australians.
As far as foreign policy goes? Sure, America imposes itself on the world. So what? America is the most powerful nation in the world whether you like it or not. All nations act in their own best interests, just happens that America is the most powerful and therefore imposes itself more. You might not like it but it is hardly a reason to hate an entire nation.
Honestly, I doubt there are that many people who genuinely hate the US anyway. Sure there are the extremists who post in here daily spouting their bile about the US and how much they hate them. But, these people are not representative of the world as a whole.
I do think, however, that Americans should get over the whole "The World Hates Us" attitude.

I dont hate America, and in fact more than anything else, I am disappointed for Americans with regards to events since the election of Bush jr. As it happens I know many Americans, virtually all of them are intelligent and pleasant people who evidently are away from America because they like me are very disappointed with how things are being run by Bush.

That said the US would be somewhat less unpopular internationally if it didnt act like a hypocritical bully that refuses to play ball fairly.
Fancy a nation that insists everyone gets involved in free-trade and calls itself a bastion of democracy then using trade to blackmail other nations' democratically elected leaders into ignoring the wishes of their constituents.... it's this kind of thing that gets people somewhat 'brassed off' at the States.

We dont need no stiking nukes, and if it comes to that, I guess we dont need ANZUS either, after all at the end of day since ANZUS ended we have requested military help from the US zero times, the US has called on us more times than that, and despite our being one of the first on board in Afghanistan, we still got moaned at for refusing to take part in the illegal invasion of Iraq, a bit rich coming from a nation that has indicated we are on our own as a result of our leader's choosing to following democratic processes........

So I guess a big reason America gets resented is because in international affairs, the US is a hypocritical bully who wont play fair.

If the US goes back to exporting their culture (eg. Hollywood films, McDonalds, Coca Cola, Manafactured Music Acts) instead of invading soverign nations, one'd think that the resentment will drop back to fringe-groups and Ultra-nationalists/traditionalists.

Thats what you would think. Funny thing is that my highschool history teacher warned us of the dangers of Americanisation.(that was roughly 10 years ago for me) And he was not a ultra-nationalist, quit the opposite, not realy a staunch traditionalist either.

In addition to the many reasons already mentioned, the "Project for the New American Century" or the New World Order are reasons for me to hate the US of A. A lot of hypocrisy and arrogance make the USof A the most dangerous country in the world, since it also has the strongest military and most WMD which can easily wipe out all of mankind if a militant person were to be responsible for operating them. Unfortunately with growing militarism in the US, chances are, they will use WMD sooner or later - with new bombs being invented today which are already very close to being WMD themselves.

i just hate american arrogane and some weird hatred and torror towards communism and socilsm

The strange thing about America is that Americans are charming - but they live in a society and culture that glorifies money above everything, elects is content to be run by non-elected, often totally inxperienced people appointed to the highest political offices (as with SecDef) and constantly threatens - as nowadays - to slide into extreme rightwing bigotry and isolationism. This dichotomy never ceases to surprise me.

i just hate american arrogane and some weird hatred and torror towards communism and socilsm

Your contribution might have some value if it contained correctly spelled words, and backed up generalisations with facts and figures. Until you can do this, I suggest you learn more and spout your mouth off less.

America(ns) introduced us to fast food, therefore i hate them for bringing the word 'obese' the most used word on the news at present!

I really don't care what the Americans do. They can all don gigantic hats and run up to Canada and scare the locals off their bar stools for all I care. I'm just sick of seeing them on the news all the time. I mean, where are the stories about stoopid cats getting stuck in chimneys, or birds getting stuck in chimneys, or better yet, horses getting stuck in chimneys.

I hate Americans who constantly annoy me with the question: "Why do you hate America(ns)?".

I hate Americans who tell other Americans that non-Americans hate Americans. (interpret this how you will)

Usually, in a normal day, I couldn't be arsed thinking about America or Americans... life is just too short for that.

ditto

As mentionned before, arrogance is apart of the things I dislike with the American mentality.

Your contribution might have some value if it contained correctly spelled words, and backed up generalisations with facts and figures. Until you can do this, I suggest you learn more and spout your mouth off less.

not all here got english (or the american version of it) as a native language. no reason to judge them by their spelling misstakes. im sure you would do some aswell if you wrote in their native languages...

as for the generalisations, i agree. but you could try keeping it polite... for example:

"can you give examples to suport your accusations? else i recomend that you get the fact before you post next time..."

In addition to the many reasons already mentioned, the "Project for the New American Century" or the New World Order are reasons for me to hate the US of A. A lot of hypocrisy and arrogance make the USof A the most dangerous country in the world, since it also has the strongest military and most WMD which can easily wipe out all of mankind if a militant person were to be responsible for operating them. Unfortunately with growing militarism in the US, chances are, they will use WMD sooner or later - with new bombs being invented today which are already very close to being WMD themselves.

I'm not sure about the whole "end the world' stuff, but your point about PNAC is entirely correct.

It is perhaps the scariest thinking that we can observe in political leaders- using military and economic might to impose what is quite literally imperialism upon other countries- regardless of what said countries themselves may actually want (e.g. non-christian theocracy). I really wish those that so proudly say "GWB is a great guy" etc etc would take a look at this, take a look at who is actually saying this (notable names include Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz), and think about what these people actually want.

What haunts me more is that this comes from their own writing (see http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm, scroll down, see for yourself), and not from the conjecture of thier critics and opponents.

It is almost impossible to comprehend the inherrent ignorance and blatant disregard for changing political climates in this little think-tank.

I'm an American, so the best I can contribute is this:

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/canguide_4_aaa.php
As a Canadian, I have to say that this site is a load of rubbish.

I don't hate America.

I don't hate (most) Americans. As near as I can tell, for every ignorant redneck who comes out here, there's at least 2 decent Americans who decide to visit, which is a pretty good ratio. I do despise the ignoramuses, but hey! What can you do. And decent Americans are well worth inviting to parties.

I don't even hate America's leadership/foreign policy. If i went around complaining about your leaders, I'd feel obliged to do something about ours, and that's way too much like work. Besides, there's always going to be a nation at the top of the hill; it's never going to mine; and I can't think of any other nation I'd prefer to dominate the world.

I do enjoy teasing Americans, I admit. As a general apology:

If you are educated, intelligent and/or polite: I do realise that you are actually American and not a Canadian. It's just fun to see how you react to the apparent confusion.

Drop bears have been extinct for hundreds if not thousands of years. A combat koala was simply no match for an Aborigine with a spear.

Yes, Huntsman spiders are big - big enough that they aren't venomous they just bite their prey to death. That's why goths like to keep them as pets. Don't be afraid of them either.

Ditto carpet snakes.

So Sorry! (Which I'm afraid will not stop me from using any of these pranks on the next gullible tourist I tangle with. It's just a generic expression of guilt).

That said, if you are visiting OZ, stay away from anything we say is dangerous. The prank list is fairly short, the actual threat list is too long for this email!

Ive seen several posts on this but havent seen a Non-American say exactly why they hate the United States so much. So this goes out to all others that are not Americans. What is it that you hate about America?

Why do you assume that non-Americans hate America? I work with foriegners; I talk with foriegners online; I meet foriegners almost everyday in my day-to-day activities. None of them hate America.

I have talked to some people who disagree with American policies and actions. However, they are able to separate that from our positive ideals and roles in the international setting.

Frankly, it sounds like you've been listening to too much talk radio.

agreeing with previous poster.

for example i hear all this talk about france hating the us.
they don't hate the us just because they don't agree to go to war with you. where does this idea come from?

Now here is the Swedish hate-vote.

America thinks they are the greatest in everything. Just because they are big they crush small companies in other countries. For example Budweiser. You know Budweiser is a Czech-beer right? About 500 years old I think. But then you guys invented the worst fu**ing beer in the world and sued the original beer for having the name you stole from them.

There is more.

America says they are the most powerful military-nation in the world. Fighting for democracy. Yeah right. Why don't you do something about North Korea or maybe China? Because you are afraid of them and view your power in the middle east, attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. Have you ever attacked a nation having firearms instead of throwing rocks? Yes. Twice.
Vietnam -you lost.
North Korea -you lost again.
So therefore you attack small nations to view your power.
In ten years Japan, China and EU are much greater than you.

Now here is the Swedish hate-vote.

America thinks they are the greatest in everything. Just because they are big they crush small companies in other countries. For example Budweiser. You know Budweiser is a Czech-beer right? About 500 years old I think. But then you guys invented the worst fu**ing beer in the world and sued the original beer for having the name you stole from them.

There is more.

America says they are the most powerful military-nation in the world. Fighting for democracy. Yeah right. Why don't you do something about North Korea or maybe China? Because you are afraid of them and view your power in the middle east, attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. Have you ever attacked a nation having firearms instead of throwing rocks? Yes. Twice.
Vietnam -you lost.
North Korea -you lost again.
So therefore you attack small nations to view your power.
In ten years Japan, China and EU are much greater than you.


Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but Japan isn't allowed to have an army, so they won't be more powerful then us.

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but Japan isn't allowed to have an army.
Your wrong.

Like many other posters, I don't hate the US. I seriously dislike the current American government, but though conservative Americans like to claim the opposite, this is not the same thing at all.

I find it ironic that many republicans claim they gave the world freedom, so now the world has to obey their orders or else.

I find it ironic that many republicans claim their country is the greatest because it has freedom of speech, but everyone who disagrees with them is an ungrateful commie terrorist.

I find it ironic that many conservative Americans say the French are cowards, when in fact the French are among the very few nations who have the guts to defend their own point of view instead of playing lapdog to the Bush administration (I'm not French, by the way).

I find it ironic that the Bush administration spent four years pissing away a dozen international treaties the whole world has worked decades for to achieve, and then claims it's the rest of the world that doesn't respect the U.S.

I find it ironic the U.S. government wages a bogus war based on lies against a nation that was not involved in 911 at all, and yet claims that those who say it would be better to hunt the real terrorists in Afghanistan, don't respect the victims of 911.

I have friends in the States. I am sad for them that they have to endure this horrible administration.

Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a $417 billion defense spending bill.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said.

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

for example i hear all this talk about france hating the us.Really? This is weird considering the state of the world today.

Another reason to hate America people....(other that truly bad films)
Can we all agree here that Landmines are a bad, bad thing. Can we also agree that any nation who uses Landmines and refuses to sign international anti-landmine treaties are bad. I know (most of us, except the radical commies out there.) agree that North Korea is bad. But there is another country. Yes the USA.

Yet another reason. America support Terrorists. They funded the IRA for years. Because of America i have a scar on my right leg from the Manchester bomb. They also fund the occupational Zionist Militarist Nazi Goverment of Israel. The most Oppressive and brutal regime of all. Everytime the palestians declare a cease fire, it is the Israeli's who break it. The Palestinians NEVER strike first, they are ALWAYS retaliatory attacks. The country is not even able to support itself, it relies on US funds (and arms) to survive. The only reason you support this regime is because you have so many rich Jews who lobby your government into submission.
Textrant
P.s. sorry for the bad spelling, i just woke up.

I don't hate America. Hell, I moved over here about eight years ago and have no plans to head back home. I mean, yes, there are some legit complaints people can make about the US, but you can make legit complaints about any country. I just really hate when non-Americans (or even some Americans) denounce this country's beer.

Now here is the Swedish hate-vote.

America thinks they are the greatest in everything. Just because they are big they crush small companies in other countries. For example Budweiser. You know Budweiser is a Czech-beer right? About 500 years old I think. But then you guys invented the worst fu**ing beer in the world and sued the original beer for having the name you stole from them.


Yeah, yeah, I heard Czech Budweiser was the best beer in the world. Then I tried it. I think the Americans stole the name AND the recipe.

As with many here, I would echo that (at least among Europeans), the supposed hatred is aimed at the governmental policies of the US, NOT at its citizenry in general. That being said, and being a Belgian living in the states since more than five years, it does seem ironic that Americans feel offended by perceived anti-Americanism, when anti-French (especially) and anti-this-and-that are also rather widespread.
As to what many I know dislike about the states--including many, many Americans who are able to look at their own society critically:
- isolationist, self-centred foreign policy with little forthought or balance
- general ignorance among the populace (many cannot identify important dates in their country's history, nor can they correctly locate important trading partners on a map)
- a nearly general refusal to learn other languages or adapt to other customs when living, working or travelling abroad
- a tendency to equate everything to monetary gain/loss: even when referring to civil rights, the argument is framed in terms of "taxpayers", never have I heard any politician refer to citizens, i.e. individuals endowed with rights simply because they are members of a society, regardless of their income or socioeconomic status
- a bit backward when it comes to guns, the death penalty, healthcare, education
- a general arrogance when it comes to the place of the US in the world: not the first democracy, not the "greatest democracy on earth", not the "freest country known to history", not the greatest society, etc... EVERY society has problems, but it does seem the US would rather cloak themselves in mythology than face these problems and search for solutions.

All of this being said, there are many things I enjoy about the states.
- nature and geographic opennes... this has to be one of the most stunningly beautiful, diverse countries in the world
- Americans are very friendly, very accommodating people who, once you have a chance to chat with them on a deeper level, do seem genuinely concerned about the world, their country and their role in it
- historically, the US has (sometimes hesitatingly) taken on many huge tasks and problems... think of the European wars 14-18, 39-45
- a very easy work ethic
- very diverse, interesting people from many ethnic backgrounds... makes generalising about Americans in cities particularly difficult.

... let the flames begin !

They did not steal the recipe. And the Best beers in the world are Guiness and Red Stripe, get that right first.

Yeah, yeah, I heard Czech Budweiser was the best beer in the world. Then I tried it. I think the Americans stole the name AND the recipe.Are you serious?
I live in Belgium FYI.

Really? This is weird considering the state of the world today.

sorry, i don't understand if you're telling me (in nice words ofcourse...) to shut the **** up or... :confused:

One thing i do like about America is this comedy channel of there's that my satellite dish picks up. Fox News is the funniest shit ever. Full of moronic right wing bastards who call everyone who disagrees with them a Liberal or Commie. Classic.

sorry, i don't understand if you're telling me (in nice words ofcourse...) to shut the **** up or... :confused:
I didn't know the american media was telling thet France hated the US. I think it is very weird when you consider France is perhaps the only ally of the US with the UK and some small countries, and when you consider that the rest of the world want to blow up america (perhaps 90% of the muslim population, the russians, the vietnamese, the chinese, ...)
So I just said I was very surprised to learn that they say France is hating the US. But this is not the first weird thing I encounter so...

Your wrong.

...**blinks** erm, oh :p.

Right, gotcha then.

Okay i'll put this simply so all your liberty lovers can understand. WE do not hate u. We do not hate your country, or your companies, or your regime. WE HATE BUSH! We liked Clinton, clinton was cool (especially the whole BJ incident.) But having a complete and utter moron being the most powerful man in the world (other than the Pope.) brings shivvers to our spines. I mean that idiot can't even read an autocue properly ffs.

I didn't know the american media was telling thet France hated the US. I think it is very weird when you consider France is perhaps the only ally of the US with the UK and some small countries, and when you consider that the rest of the world want to blow up america (perhaps 90% of the muslim population, the russians, the vietnamese, the chinese, ...)
So I just said I was very surprised to learn that they say France is hating the US. But this is not the first weird thing I encounter so...

you've missed that? *amazed* i've seen it alot, and i think it's been trolled about in a few threads on this forum. remember the FREEDOM FRIES? :rolleyes:
around that time, or from that time and forward there was alot of comments about how much france hated the us.

...**blinks** erm, oh :p.

Right, gotcha then.

To be specific, Japan has a VERY modern army. However the constitution of Japan (as written by Macarthur and staff at the end of the war) specifically forbids it's use for offensive wars. Indeed, there was much constitutional debate in Japan regarding the legality of them helping the US in Iraq as the only way it could be construed as a defensive action is if it were taken as a general defense against the threat of terrorism in general.

Currently, Japan has 42B/year military budget - the fourth largest in the world - and it's forces is considered to be extremely modern and efficient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defence_Forces

you've missed that? *amazed* i've seen it alot, and i think it's been trolled about in a few threads on this forum. remember the FREEDOM FRIES? :rolleyes:
around that time, or from that time and forward there was alot of comments about how much france hated the us.
Well I knew some american media were on a patriotic bullshit frenzy and that they tried to punish France for not supporting Bush, but I didn't know they said France was hating the US, just that France was a nation of surrender monkey wankers stinking and never washing, but not that they were hating the US.

Okay i'll put this simply so all your liberty lovers can understand. WE do not hate u. We do not hate your country, or your companies, or your regime. WE HATE BUSH! We liked Clinton, clinton was cool (especially the whole BJ incident.) But having a complete and utter moron being the most powerful man in the world (other than the Pope.) brings shivvers to our spines. I mean that idiot can't even read an autocue properly ffs.Is the BJ incident the affair with Monika? I think that was cool also. I wish more public figures were having affairs like that. It was fun, especially the reaction of the ultra christian extremists crying like hysterics.

Please we know everyone hates the French, don't change the subject.
Tex
P.s. Yes the BJ incident is the monika affair.

well. they did.

The main problem I have with America is that it messes with other countries in many ways.
1. Control of the IMF and World bank in order to keep poor countries poor, and therfore cheap imported goods, cheap.
2. Ensures favourable political conditions in foreign countries by either economic pressure or direct involvement/assasination (Pinochet/Saddam anyone?)
3. McDonaldsisation of everywhere
4. Exploitation of other countries resources through big multinationals
5. Litigation Culture
6. A belief that despite all of the above, that the country is the best

Is the BJ incident the affair with Monika? I think that was cool also. I wish more public figures were having affairs like that. It was fun, especially the reaction of the ultra christian extremists crying like hysterics.
The ultra christian extremists like to do that a lot apparently.

They did not steal the recipe. And the Best beers in the world are Guiness and Red Stripe, get that right first.

Are you serious?
I live in Belgium FYI.

I'm serious. I don't thinks it's a particular good or interesting beer. Actually, I think imports to America give a really poor image to foreign beer, since, although I know that the rest of the world makes some fantastic beer, all we get here are stuff like Corona and Heineken, stuff that's almost indistinguishable from the beers foreigners get from America (that said, we can sometimes get our hands on the better foreign beers. Belgium's own Hoegaarden is relatively common here).

But like the rest of the world, America makes some great beers, too. Most major cities have one or more microbreweries selling world class beer. I'm in Atlanta at the moment, and I highly recommend our Dogwood Stout, which definitely gives Guinness a run for it's money. I was previously in Tampa--if you're ever there try the Ybor brewery's brown ale. It's every bit the equal of Newcastle's. Other great common beers over here include Sam Adams, Redhook, Anchor, etc. Even Michaelob makes some passable specialty beers.

Please we know everyone hates the French, don't change the subject.
The problem is not if everyone hates the french. I'm just surprised that the french are said to hate the americans. This is some of the weirdest thing I've ever heard, but anyway, nowadays, it looks like weird is the norm so I should get used to it.

Why do they hate Cuba btw? It isn't a commie nation, its socialist, but it isn't too far to the left. And Castro isn't a murderer. I have seen many comments on the forums from people saying the wish he would die. Is it because your jealous that it has the best healthcare system in the world? (other than the UK obviously :p )

But surely we can all agree America's Budweiser tastes like shit.(not literally)

But surely we can all agree America's Budweiser tastes like shit.(not literally)

Yes, it's obviously not the best beer in the world. My point was that every country has poor Budweiser-esque beer, and every country makes some great beer. And I see you're from Manchester, so you're just a hop-skip-and-jump from Stockport. Go there, find a Robinson's pub, and order the Old Tom. It's incredible.

I'm serious. I don't thinks it's a particular good or interesting beer. Actually, I think imports to America give a really poor image to foreign beer, since, although I know that the rest of the world makes some fantastic beer, all we get here are stuff like Corona and Heineken, stuff that's almost indistinguishable from the beers foreigners get from America (that said, we can sometimes get our hands on the better foreign beers. Belgium's own Hoegaarden is relatively common here).

But like the rest of the world, America makes some great beers, too. Most major cities have one or more microbreweries selling world class beer. I'm in Atlanta at the moment, and I highly recommend our Dogwood Stout, which definitely gives Guinness a run for it's money. I was previously in Tampa--if you're ever there try the Ybor brewery's brown ale. It's every bit the equal of Newcastle's. Other great common beers over here include Sam Adams, Redhook, Anchor, etc. Even Michaelob makes some passable specialty beers.Well in Belgium there are a little more than 1000 different kind of beers (There's a pub in Brugge that sells 1000 different kind of belgian beers).
According to me the best of the best in the world is the blue Chimey trappist beer (triple fermentation). All trappist beers are good though, especially Westmalle.

I dont HATE America, its quite nice to make fun of them though...

Well in Belgium there are a little more than 1000 different kind of beers (There's a pub in Brugge that sells 1000 different kind of belgian beers).
According to me the best of the best in the world is the blue Chimey trappist beer (triple fermentation). All trappist beers are good though, especially Westmalle.

Yeah, there's a small shop about 500 miles from here which sells Westvlateren (sp?) blue and yellow caps at $12 a bottle. I still haven't got around to trying it, but I will, I will.

I think that whole "God's own country" BS has them thinking that they have a right to police the world. If if wasn't for their foreign policies they wouldn't be hated by so many ppl. If ppl are prepared to blow themselves up cause they hate the USA so much, doesn't that prove there's some truth in what i'm saying??

The fact that a thread discussing the biggest rift between western nations in years has turned into a discussion about beer has complitely restores my belief in the human race in general.

The fact that a thread discussing the biggest rift between western nations in years has turned into a discussion about beer has complitely restores my belief in the human race in general.
Belgian beer is still the best though. whether you like it or not.

I dont hate America, a lot of my favourite things come from there: Futurama, Dodge Vipers, Warmachine, hellboy.

You could scale down the whole "we're the best country ever" thing though, you didnt invent everyhting good in the world and youre hardly the pillar of democracy you claim to be.

Who cares why they hate us? they always have and they always will. I think it goes back to the days when the colonists revolted against their sovereign. Afterall, the King was chosen by god himself!! How dare those ruffians revolt like that. Oh, and also because we are just so damn lucky too.

I'm actually quite impressed with this thread. People made some great points with no real flaming. Is this a first?!

I can't really add anything since all points in my mind have been made. To summarize, it's not the American people who are hated, it's the government, arrogance, some ignorance and some of the culture it is exporting. I just wish the 'Freedom Fries' Americans would get over their irrational hatred of France.

I hate the American goverment and it's aroggance not the American people themselves.

You and about half of the american people have something in common. :D

I hate the American goverment and it's aroggance not the American people themselves.

I'm an american and I'll second that one

Why do they hate Cuba btw? It isn't a commie nation, its socialist, but it isn't too far to the left. And Castro isn't a murderer. I have seen many comments on the forums from people saying the wish he would die. Is it because your jealous that it has the best healthcare system in the world? (other than the UK obviously :p )

Its more of a history thing. We sanctioned them a long time ago, and they wont take it off till Castro dies. That means some morons want him to die so they can start back up trade with Cuba so they don't have to smuggle cigars into the US (better cigars than we can ever make). Also, in America people believe that 'Socialism' is 'communism'. Also, anything deemed communist must have come straight from hell. They think Castro threatens "Democracy", but America isn't a democracy. Its all a bunch of misconceptions and crap left over from the cold war. idiocy

mmmm....beer

Well as a Canadian I dislike Americans because of the attitude that they have towards the rest of the world.
If we choose to trade with Cuba that is our business,not yours.If we choose not to go to war it is our business,not yours.
I worked in a store for awhile and we would have Americans come in who demanded to have their change back in American dollars.First of all we were not a bank and secondly,Canadian dollars are the currency of our country,not American.
You may have the right to bear arms,but not here.The border guards are always taking away firearms from irrate Americans who insist that they have the right to carry them.However when you are in Canada,you dont have the right so get over it.

Well as a Canadian I dislike Americans because of the attitude that they have towards the rest of the world.
If we choose to trade with Cuba that is our business,not yours.If we choose not to go to war it is our business,not yours.
I worked in a store for awhile and we would have Americans come in who demanded to have their change back in American dollars.First of all we were not a bank and secondly,Canadian dollars are the currency of our country,not American.
You may have the right to bear arms,but not here.The border guards are always taking away firearms from irrate Americans who insist that they have the right to carry them.However when you are in Canada,you dont have the right so get over it.

Well, you're always going to have a few bad apples, but you can't let them sour you to the whole bunch, not all of us are dumb enough to demand USD change in canada and not all of us are stupid enough to smuggle firearms across the boarder.

Compañeros, don't get tricked by stupid questions like this one. Don't answer them!

The question as such is one reason people outside the U$A don't share much love for the yankee regime. I am American, and as almost all other Americans I don?t live in the U$A. They tend to claim that all of America must be exploited and suppressed by the U$A. They are terrorists and don't even pay the compensation the Nicaragua they have too.

One can never say this often enough but the yankee regime are convicted terrorists, the U$A is harbouring convicted terrorists and they refuse to pay.

The yankee people are no different than other people. As long as they don't support terrorism against the whole of America and other nations in the world I have no problems with them.

Ohh and I only answer to replies in Spanish (or Portuguese).

As a continuation, and to be intellectually fair to all...

What we are seeing from the US administration now (and the past years) is similar to what has been seen in other countries, albeit in differing form. The British Empire, for example, was in its heyday as arrogant, isolationist and self-serving as the US have been accused of to-day. Even my tiny Belgium, which was never a global power as /are/were the US, UK, France, USSR, etc... have conducted foreign policies based on notions of supremacy that are now, thankfully, outdated.

As to the God + Flag mentality, that is also not historically unique to the States. Think of the AFC-CVV of Flemish extremism, the "Gott mit uns" of Imperial Germany, etc. etc. etc. Rather than spending so much time and energy on anger, I wish we as world citizens would try to see our common humanity, i.e. that perhaps the US may learn from our sordid history in Europe and recognize some of their own problems.

My ,,deux centimes'' as it were...

Compañeros, don't get tricked by stupid questions like this one. Don't answer them!

The question as such is one reason people outside the U$A don't share much love for the yankee regime. I am American, and as almost all other Americans I don?t live in the U$A. They tend to claim that all of America must be exploited and suppressed by the U$A. They are terrorists and don't even pay the compensation the Nicaragua they have too.

One can never say this often enough but the yankee regime are convicted terrorists, the U$A is harbouring convicted terrorists and they refuse to pay.

The yankee people are no different than other people. As long as they don't support terrorism against the whole of America and other nations in the world I have no problems with them.

Ohh and I only answer to replies in Spanish (or Portuguese).

Can I get a translation into coherent thought?

Can I get a translation into coherent thought?He explained he didn't like the US way of doing things because it harbored terrorists.

The United States is the best thing that has happened to this world since the creation of it, and Texas is the best place in the world. A true heaven on earth.

The United States is the best thing that has happened to this world since the creation of it, and Texas is the best place in the world. A true heaven on earth.
Off topic.

Who cares why they hate us? they always have and they always will. I think it goes back to the days when the colonists revolted against their sovereign. Afterall, the King was chosen by god himself!! How dare those ruffians revolt like that. Oh, and also because we are just so damn lucky too.

I'm actually quite impressed with this thread. People made some great points with no real flaming. Is this a first?!


he just beat you to it.. ;)

and here comes a way too obvious troll...

The United States is the best thing that has happened to this world since the creation of it, and Texas is the best place in the world. A true heaven on earth.

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America says they are the most powerful military-nation in the world. Fighting for democracy. Yeah right. Why don't you do something about North Korea or maybe China? Because you are afraid of them and view your power in the middle east, attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. Have you ever attacked a nation having firearms instead of throwing rocks? Yes. Twice.
Vietnam -you lost.
North Korea -you lost again.
So therefore you attack small nations to view your power.
In ten years Japan, China and EU are much greater than you.

1) North Korea: the North Koreans invaded South Korea to unitfy the 2 countries under the Stalinist regime of Kim Il-Sung. The UN decided to launch a counteroffensive to preserve the South's independence and America (as always) was the backbone of the operation. We won the war (South Korea still exists independently), but lost thousands of casualties. The North Koreans lost more. There were some in the American government at the time who also wanted to invade North Korea during the Korean War, but did not because Kim Il-Sung had China's protection.

Today: I would rather the U.S. had gone to war with Kim Jong-Il's North Korea instead of Iraq, but you're right, most politicians are too afraid. For the past 50 years the U.S. and South Korea have been planning for a possible future war with the North, we could win it in 30 to 40 days. There are still some Americans who still want to disarm and "liberate" the North militarily: http://www.studentsforwar.org/

2) Vietnam: Sort of won. The War ended with and agreement on both sides with a treaty saying that the North Vietnamese were not to interefere with the South. After we pulled out, the cowardly Viet Cong invaded the South anyway while our backs were turned. The U.S. did not retaliate for several reasons.

3) China: The Chinese want to invade Taiwan in 2020. The former Chinese president recently admitted that China's military would be ready to invade Taiwan in 2012 (I think). As a response the U.S. is already sending seven Navy aircraft carrier battle groups to the China sea between China and Taiwan this month. China thinks they can handle 2 carrier groups, but not seven. We also have five others if neccesary. So the Chinese are already on notice.

Japan and the EU are not threats to the U.S.A.

the cowardly Viet CongLol. Nice one.

Vietnam: Sort of won. The War ended with and agreement on both sides with a treaty saying that the North Vietnamese were not to interefere with the South. After we pulled out, the cowardly Viet Cong invaded the South anyway while our backs were turned. The U.S. did not retaliate for several reasons.

Japan and the EU are not threats to the U.S.A.

you won in vietnam just as much as sovjet won in afghanistan...
so, basicly you lost. i think the us are the only ones who even try to belive anything else.

no, japan and the EU are no militairy threats to the us, and will not be. i doubt very much that the Eu want to be a threat to anyone. the population is rather sick and tired of war, death and suffering.

WE HATE BUSH! We liked Clinton...

If you like clinton so much you can have him.

I think this encapsulates the Americans' problem quite neatly:


They had the democratically elected President Mussadiq of Iran killed in the 50's. They installed the Shah, who was never elected.
He became brutal, his secret police torturing and killing political opponents.
Then the Iranian people overthrew him in the 80's and voted the Ayatollah Khomeini into power, taking Americans hostage at the same time.
Then the USA provided neighbouring Iraq with all the weapons they needed to kill hundreds of thousands of Iranians.
Then in the Contra-scandal they sold weapons to Iran, so that they can kill Iraqis.
Then, after decades of sanctions and embargoes the USA declared Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil" for supporting terrorism, even though there were tons of evidence pointing to Saudi Arabia.
All this is pretty confusing, but the most confusing question is: why don't people like America?


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Let me tell you a little story, its set in Australia.

Once upon a time there was a farmer who worked a harsh land stricken by drought and was assailed by all the elements. Despite one disaster after another, the farmer persevered because his family had held that land since his great great grandfather had originally squatted the land as did many of his neighbours. While the others grew crops, this farmer produced lamb, and he produced good lamb as well, good enough that the lamb he produced would end up being exported as far away as America and because of this his family was able to hold the land that his forefathers had held for so long.

Now the Australian government, partly due to pressure by America even so long ago to try and make an equal market for all internationally, and also in order to make their industries more efficient, the government deregulated a number of the primary industries, including lamb.

Despite the deregulation of the industry, the farmer persevered and with several adjustments was efficient enough to remain within the industry and get by. He worked as hard as he always had as did his family, and through this they managed to get through and come out on top once more.

Now in America, the farming industries combined had little to no interest in deregulating their industries and becoming more efficient, as a large number of them were not, and due to their pressure the American government decided to continue regulating the industry, providing economic aid to a large number of people who ran their farms inefficiently and milked the American government for all it was worth to maintain their inefficient practices rather than improving.

Yet despite this, Australian exports were still doing well in America because their efficient management due to the deregulation allowed them to still compete with American farmers despite the extra costs involved. Due to further pressure by the American farming industries amongst others, rather than attempting to fix the inefficiencies and strengthen the American industries, the American government chose to coddle their industries instead and imposed tariffs on goods imported that were not only unfair because they gave American producers an incredible advantage in the market, but outright illegal by treaty.

The effect of the illegal tariffs was immediately felt in a number of countries, and in Australia the farmer who had continued the family tradition for so long faced with this new challenge didn't flinch but forged on instead. He continued producing lamb as his family had done for generations, and researched new and even more efficient ways to do so in order to take into account the new tariffs. He and his family worked hard, yet no matter their efforts, the new tariffs were insurmountable.

With the market now closed up in America, the value of lambs decreased, enough that the farmer couldn't even sell his stock and rediversify, leaving him with the only option of continuing on and hoping that the tariffs were lifted and the market would be reopened viably.

It didn't.

Struggling for funds, and already indebted to the bank for loans taken out in an attempt to support the farm while the new tariffs were in place, the farmer found that everything that his family had worked for, ever since his family had first squatted the land generations ago, was being destroyed. The banks were calling in the debts, and without the funds he found his land being repossessed. He was declared bankrupt, and the farm that he had known all his life, he was to be evicted from as was his family.

The shame of the farmer's failure, to himself, his ancestors and his family was beyond words. It tormented him day after day as the day drew nearer to when they would be evicted and they had nowhere else to go. One night, he could no longer bear the shame of his failure, he made his way to the shed where he had once toiled as his father and grandfather had before him. The bank hadn't removed everything from the shed, and amongst the things left behind was the rifle that had served the farmer well for so long.

It was the second son, no more than twelve years old that reached the shed first at the sound of a single round being fired. It was the eleven year old who found his father's corpse, seated in the stool where he used to sit after a hard days work, slumped back with the rifle in his lap and his father's brain and skull sprayed on the shed wall behind him.

With the loss of the farm and their father combined, the family was destroyed. The mother was hospitalised, the trauma and shock of everything that had occured soon resulting in her being permanently housed in a mental institution where she remains to this day. Of the three children that were then put into foster care with no relatives that could care for them to be found, the youngest and the middle child were sent far to the north to another state while the eldest was sent south to a different family. The eldest, fourteen at the time, soon ended his life in turn two years later, and the middle child remained damaged beyond repair by what he found that night. Only the youngest child, the daughter, managed to continue and build a life for herself out of the ashes of her family.


And America wonders why there is anti-American sentiment in other countries. And despite this, despite all of this, hardly anyone hates Americans as individuals and those that do have very personal reasons for it and hate specific individuals, the same as within any society, let alone across. A number of people simply despise the American government, which continues to treat its allies with a callousness that doesn't speak of anything resembling friendship.

In addition to which, it endangers the rest of us with its reckless policies and actions, and for what? Pride? Greed? Xenophobia? I won't even pretend to know the answer. In the end it comes down to a very simple question. Do you treat your friends so badly that they come to resent the treatment and you in turn, or do you show them trust and treat them like a brother so they in turn shall trust you? I think anyone with even the tiniest sliver of common sense understands the answer to this.

My example was only one and Australian, there are dozens upon dozens of such examples. Saddam was supported by the US in the war against Iran and within a year of selling weaponry to Saddam and giving him support, America then supported Iran with similar weaponry and support, leading to thousands upon thousands of deaths on both sides. After the gulf war, trade embargoes pushed by America led to horrendous conditions for the people in Iraq. And there are questions as to why Iraqi citizens resent American presence in their country, dictating to them how their country should be run and what is and isn't allowed? People can justify or condemn the American decisions as much as they wish, but justifications or condemnations are poor offerings to a people who have suffered for years with only America to blame for it.

Personally, I pity America. Perhaps the most powerful country in the world, yet instead of using that power to strengthen ties with its friends and create new friends to create greater security, it shits on its friends instead like France, going so far as one American city did to gather every single French item in the city it could, put them in the main street, then drive tanks over them. And for what? Because they told America they should allow the Weapon Inspectors to do their job? Because they tried to give their friend some honest advice which a true friend would give, instead of keeping silent and playing along?

I noticed at least one person said that America was the most powerful nation in the world and because of this, it was bound to look out for its own interests first and people should stop complaining. I would simply say this. Because a person or nation has the power to do something does not give the person the right to do so. Anyone has the power or ability to kill another person, but does that grant the person the right to do so? Because a nation has the ability to interfere in another country and its people, does it give it the right to do so?

Somehow I feel as if I've just wasted the time I spent writing this post, but if it manages to make at least one person think about the issue more carefully, rather than blindly defend themselves thinking its them I'm condemning instead of their government, that will be something I suppose.

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I dislike America because its culture is degenerating.

First well done to people this did'nt degenarate into a flame war.

As already disscussed we've found people who dislike america because of its world image (whetaher that image is accurate or not is besides the point, that the image ameirca presents to other people).

Why has this all flaired up recently?

I wonder if it is because america has started to impose itself more than usuall, and force other nations to agree/ behave as it wishes.

Now alot of previous dislike of america consisted of the americansation of other culutres (though thiers beging to be almost a backlash against that), but perhaps the important point there is the citizens of other nations had a choice.

In the most spruious alangony, i could choose to by budwiser or i could choose to buy butcome bitter (which narrows down were i live to a radius of about 20 miles). But given the US recent actions on a world stage we have no choice but to accept what it imposes apon us.

The US must have felt much the same when britian started to impose its banning of the slave trade on others, something a world power can do.

What can we do about all this?, little is the answer at this point in time keeping the US freindly to certain coutnries is much more important than keeping other countries happy, britians entry in the iraq war being a good example. It would i suspect be hard for britain to suddnely depoly a pro EU policy given the number of people we may have annoyed in europe.

So what do we hate about america the most?, probably that its actions effect out lives and if we don't agree with those actions this causes a problem.

Of course one way to solve that last point is cloack as the US has suscsessfully done in the past its action by ganing international agreement to them and making modest returns to them. A good example might be the kyoto protocols on the enviroment. Ameirca invervanded to change them and got the rest of the world with some grumbles to agree, but they refused to implement them.

So if the US can again manage to convice the world to behave in X manner because it is in those countries best intrests to do so, this may make alot of the problems disapear, compared to the current we've desided this is right agree with us or die polciys. (if you can glorfy them with that name).

Aventari

good heavns an emotive and well argued peice, rasing an issue i hand't even thought of (dislike of tarifs and treatment of allies) well argued without repeating peoples points or being offensive.

more arguments like that please!

you won in vietnam just as much as sovjet won in afghanistan... so, basicly you lost. i think the us are the only ones who even try to belive anything else.

Vietnam and the Soviets getting they're asses kicked for years in a country the U.S. conquered in in less than two months are hardly comparable. The politics and strategic goals of the two conflicts were very different. The main reason we didn't retaliate after the war was due to mass casualties and a public sick of war. The politics and strategic goals of Vietnam and its' relation to the U.S. were not clear to the public at the time so most Americans didn't really support it, in fact many hated it and still hate it..

I don’t really hate America, but as most Belgians, I have problems with the US foreign politics and the way it claims to be the most democratic of all.
Here are some things that are said about America by Belgians very often, I’ll just write them down without making it look less hating, just the way they’re said, but don’t hate me for it :p
I just want to give you an honest idea.

- United States are the biggest polluters of all, yet they refuse to sign the Kyoto Treaty. Some find that arrogant.
- Every single person in the US can buy a gun, it’s even in the Constitution. Makes you look like a bunch of crazy cowboys.
- Noone can touch the independency of the United States, but for some weird reason US will always stick their nose into other countries’ issues. For example: they find the European Union shouldn’ t be allowed to have an own army, while this is absolutely none of their fucking business. It’s so unlogic that it’s just absurd.
- Americans are raised as patriots. Every morning in school they have to greet their flag. From child on, they learn that the US is one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. To us, this just sounds like pure indoctrination. No wonder that after a while you start to believe you are living in the greatest most free country of all.
- Americans are warmongerers. They have a history of imperialism that noone can stop. They always want MORE American influence. For years they have been fighting their wars on others territory. During the Cold War they gave support to every government that was haunting down communists and socialists. Still, the US doesn’t seem to be aware of the fact that socialism is NOT the enemy.
- US government thinks they have the right to start war on countries without decent evidence and without approval of all the others. Somehow they even seem to be convinced God himself supports this. May God continue to bless America, God blesses the Land of the Free. *If* there really was a God, would he support war? Killing of people? Hate against others? Blood and tears? We don’t think so.
- In court, Americans swear on the bible. We find that insane. Makes it look like there is no decent separation between church and state in the ‘Land of the Free’. Here, we swear on the constitution only.
- On certain dollar bills is written: in God we trust. Same comment as for swearing on the bible.
- US government thinks they have the right to speak in name of others. We were forced to see the 9/11 attack as an attack on democracy all over the world. Those who didn”t agree were viewed with great suspicion, as if they committed the crime themselves. US government forced the whole world to choose a side: pro the US or against the US or: against terrorism or pro terrorism. US government tends to divide people all over the world.
- US government acts like there is no bigger danger than the possession of nuclear weapons, while there is no other country that has so many nuclear weapons as the US itself. Who says if it comes to a big conflict, US shall not use these weapons on those who disagree with them? Why should we distrust Iraqis or Koreans with nuclear weapons and not Americans? We didn’t forget Hiroshima. It wasn’t us who did this.
- We don’t want America’s weapons in OUR country. But we are forced to. We are also forced to approve American weapon transport via our country whenever America is in times of war. Our government doesn't listen to us.
- Death penalty is still allowed in the US. We just find that medieval.
- US government uses its civilians as pions on a big gameboard. They declare war and their indoctrinated civilians can make sure they are going to win that war. They just use their own people, without compassion. Young boys that join the army are given the feeling they are American heroes, while they are nothing more than puppets.
- Americans always remind us of the fact that “they saved our ass” during the Second World War. They seem to forget that indirectly, we saved their ass to. Thanks to the American investments to rebuild Europe, we had the capital to become the world’s biggest importers of American products. We payed our price, you can be sure of that.
- Americans find it so normal that whole the world watches their movies, listens to their music and admires their celebrities. American popular culture will always be big in Europe, but European popular culture will seldom be big in the States.
- American companies are completely buying us out with their big money. Their politics of liberalising and privatising are spreading like a disease. Small private entreprisers are lost before they even started. They will never be able to beat the competition with those with the big capital.
- And so on.


I told you I was just going to be honest. These are things that are often mentioned when people here are discussing America. Personally , I think it’s not really about hate but more about fear. The US are so big and so united that sometimes it can seem very scary.

Yes, it's obviously not the best beer in the world. My point was that every country has poor Budweiser-esque beer, and every country makes some great beer. And I see you're from Manchester, so you're just a hop-skip-and-jump from Stockport. Go there, find a Robinson's pub, and order the Old Tom. It's incredible.

Hum... Not to many good swedish beers imo. Well, Norrlands Guld is oki. But anyway, it isn't that far to Denmark, yum!!

My only real problem with The US is ADD.
They have attempted several grand schemes while being a world power, but only as long as it is popular, seems easy or is in the short term
If they wish to police the world or increase democracy then its going to take years if not decades to achieve. Unfortunately I don't see the US staying that involved with Iraq for that length of time.
Or about the Kyoto protocol. Benefits to industry now? none. Benefit to us in the future? high.
s'cuse the english. working like a bitch, needed to type something

The fact that a thread discussing the biggest rift between western nations in years has turned into a discussion about beer has complitely restores my belief in the human race in general.

Hehe, yeah kinda funny.

But nice to see that what beer is good and what beer is not that great is more important to discuss then why some people hate some people. ;)

They had the democratically elected President Mussadiq of Iran killed in the 50's. They installed the Shah, who was never elected.
He became brutal, his secret police torturing and killing political opponents.
Then the Iranian people overthrew him in the 80's and voted the Ayatollah Khomeini into power, taking Americans hostage at the same time.
Then the USA provided neighbouring Iraq with all the weapons they needed to kill hundreds of thousands of Iranians.
Then in the Contra-scandal they sold weapons to Iran, so that they can kill Iraqis.
Then, after decades of sanctions and embargoes the USA declared Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil" for supporting terrorism, even though there were tons of evidence pointing to Saudi Arabia.
All this is pretty confusing, but the most confusing question is: why don't people like America?


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Well, that's a nice piece of revisionist history! Now lets add some truth and perspective shall we? First things first.

Iran: Mossadeq was originally appointed Prime Minister of Iran in 1951 and was dismissed from office a year later for unconstitutionally attempting to take control of the Iranian Armed Forces. After his dismissal, Mossadeq seized control of Iran's elected parliament and ordered Shah Reza Pahlavi (Iran's constitutional monarch) to re-appoint him as Prime Minister. The Shah carried out Mossadeq's order.

Once back in power, Mossadeq publicly declared himself a Communist and implemented assbackwards policies which crippled Iran's economy, resulting in tripple digit inflation. Mossadeq later used the Parliament to grant himself dictatorial powers and forced the Shah to grant him full control over the Armed Forces. He also held rigged "election" in which he claimed he received 98% of the vote. Mossadeq even ended petroleum sales to Britian (and the West in general) and seized Western oil sales in Iran. So in short, Mossadeq illegally assumed dictatorial powers, exiled the Shah, and created radical policies that cut out the West and only stood to benefit the Soviet Union.

NATO, led by the U.S. and Britian assisted the Shah of Iran back into power. True he was unelected, but He was also a member of the Constitutional Monarchy, an intitution that had existed in Iran for 400 years and He was the rightful King of Iran who had already ruled Iran for the past 12 years, so he wasn't neccesarily "installed". Your spin is ill informed.

I'll get back to you on Iraq. This thread is too long as it is.

Ive seen several posts on this but havent seen a Non-American say exactly why they hate the United States so much. So this goes out to all others that are not Americans. What is it that you hate about America?
(quote)the snob's think they rule the world those F***-ING B***ARDS!!

Do you American's realise that the British actually hate your Country? We aren't your friend, our lap-dog of a prime minister just wants to be PRESIDENT OF EUROPE!

Then the USA provided neighbouring Iraq with all the weapons they needed to kill hundreds of thousands of Iranians.
Then in the Contra-scandal they sold weapons to Iran, so that they can kill Iraqis. Then, after decades of sanctions and embargoes the USA declared Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil" for supporting terrorism, even though there were tons of evidence pointing to Saudi Arabia.
All this is pretty confusing, but the most confusing question is: why don't people like America?
Courtesy of www waroffice.us

Back to the others...

Iraq: The percentage of aid provided to Iraq under Saddam by the Soviet Union was 57%. France gave 13% in aid and China gave about 12%. The percentage of aid given to Iraq under Saddam by the U.S. along with other countries equaled only 1%. U.S. aid to Iraq prior to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was less than about 1% and we were only number 16 on a list of various weapons suppliers. Saddam was merely a puppet of the Soviet Union as they were his main suppliers.

..And yes, we were pissed off at Iran (and for good reason) and hoped that Iran and Iraq would destory each other.

The Islamist revolution in Iran was supported by most Iranians and was also when radical Islam first found it's base in an arabic government. Iran has been the largest exporter of Islamo-Fascism ever since. Most Iranians now oppose their government.

The 9/11 Commission has already exhonorated Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are a shady bunch, yet they are now cracking down on terrorism more than any point in their history. The fact the some of the latest al-Qaeda attacks have taken place in Saudi Arabia as they are trying to destabalize that region and Islamify even more can attest to that. Plus Saudi Arabia is an extremely important regional ally.

Do you American's realise that the British actually hate your Country? We aren't your friend, our lap-dog of a prime minister just wants to be PRESIDENT OF EUROPE!

Good! Tony deserves it.

Isn't kind of hard to not be somewhat ignorant when you are separated from most of the world by two large bodies of water? Europe is essentialy a bunch of nations that, if you wanted to, you could walk to, therefore it is easier to spread the 'knowledge' of other nations.

Do you American's realise that the British actually hate your Country? We aren't your friend, our lap-dog of a prime minister just wants to be PRESIDENT OF EUROPE!
The position of president of the European commission already went ot the Portugese prime minister Barroso (who by the way also was a supporter of Blair, Bush and Aznar - host of the summit at the Azores).
And if you don´t like Europe and the US with whom you want to go???? The empire is gone, realize that!!!!

The Saudi's are cracking down on Terrorism...like the US goverment promised to stop payments to the IRA in the 70's? Me thinks not.

As a continuation, and to be intellectually fair to all...


As to the God + Flag mentality, that is also not historically unique to the States. Think of the AFC-CVV of Flemish extremism,

hmm, not correct. It is AVV-VVK (would be in English Everything For Flanders-Flanders For the Christ or EFF-FFC) and it has nothing to do with Flemish extrimism but was the on the frontpage of Flanders most important Christen democrat newspaper, (conservatives for the US posters). It has more to see with the era of the Great war in wich the political batlle for more Flemish rights in the then overdominated political class that only recognised French as a higher education language, language for jurisdiction, laws, discussions in parliament aso. Gent was the 1st university where Flemish youngsters could study in Dutch/Flemish in 1918 under German occupation. For those who don't know: Gent is one of Flanders capital cities and far away from the French speaking side.

But you are quite correct if you wanted to state that right extremist like the Flemish block completely stole regionalistic symbols like the Flemish lion Flag
and other symbols.
They can have and eat them, I don't live there anymore.


the "Gott mit uns" of Imperial Germany, etc. etc. etc. Rather than spending so much time and energy on anger, I wish we as world citizens would try to see our common humanity, i.e. that perhaps the US may learn from our sordid history in Europe and recognize some of their own problems.

My ,,deux centimes'' as it were...

Yep, was indeed on the leather ceinture of the Imperial army but also on that of the Whermacht and Waffen SS (note not on that of the Algemeine SS that was not active on the front but more preoccupied with concentrationcamps and police jobs.

You have nice wishes but with an extremist government in the US and the continued hate campaign of Rumsfeld, Pearl and co against every nation that does not agree with the US or with the totaly unbalanced attitude of the US gov. in the Middle East, (Israel) we are miles lightyears away from a respectfull US attitude. :)

The Saudi's are cracking down on Terrorism...like the US goverment promised to stop payments to the IRA in the 70's? Me thinks not.

Actually...there was no official support for the IRA, but a lot of people did contribute as individuals though.

Yeah, there's a small shop about 500 miles from here which sells Westvlateren (sp?) blue and yellow caps at $12 a bottle. I still haven't got around to trying it, but I will, I will.


That is expensive, in a Belgian bar, you would pay about 4€. At the abbay (the only place outside bars where you ca by the beer) it costs about 1,5 €, I think.

Santé ;)

There was no official support, but they didn't bring in laws prohibiting arms sales to the IRA until the mid 90's.

The US is like the Roman Empire of modern world except the Romans never pretended to be democratic while the US does.

One of the brothers went to the same school as me, I went to an agricultural high school so these stories weren't uncommon. In year eight, another father of one of the sons there hung himself, he was driven out of business essentially by American economic foreign policy which left him no way out. For many of the people that went to my school, the farm was the inheritance, it was the tradition that had been followed for over a hundred years, two hundred in some cases, completely unbroken. During my time at the school, I remember two people from my year alone having everything taken from them simply because the American economic foreign policy destroyed their family's market by creating so many unfair advantages, and who we knew due to the research we had to do were using far inefficient techniques generally (not always, there are a number of American farmers out there that are on par and some even beyond Australian farming, but not as a general rule). It was something that led to alot of bitterness and no small amount of resentment.

While I've noticed most points have dealt with war and military aggression, I'd like to expand on the American economic foreign policy. Not too much though because I'm about to fall asleep, so I'll deal with a current issue in Australia because quite frankly, I think thats all I'm capable of half decently illustrating at the moment.

The FTA (Free Trade Agreement) that has been proposed to Australia is, admittedly, a beneficial agreement for Australia within certain areas of commerce. Australia has been given more freedom in the export of certain goods to America. However, these freedoms are limited, and America has still weighted a number of industries in their favour. For example, sugar cane farmers will probably have to attempt to find a new market or rediversify because in the FTA proposal to Australia, restrictions and tariffs on Sugar exports to America have been increased, to the point where it will more than likely be unviable for them. (No, I don't have the figures on me at the moment, if some other Aussie out there has this week's financial review, I think its in there somewhere),

Despite the heavy weightings which give America a superior position, the FTA will still be accepted as long as two amendments proposed by the opposition are accepted. The first, which was accepted by the Australian Government were amendments to communications. Specifically, there are to be certain restrictions on what kind of shows can be shown on tv, 55% of tv must be Australian on commercial channels, and I think the bar for pay tv has been raised from 10% to 20%. Other things as well, dealing with mobiles, internet connections etc, but at the moment the figures aren't coming to me.

The one which has currently caused the major concern in Australia which is being contested between the government and the opposition concerns the PBS (Pharmaceuticals Benefits Scheme). Specifically, the US wants Australia to adopt a pro-american Pharmaceuticals stance. How it works (correct me if I get something wrong, like I said, I'm about to fall asleep) is that Pharmaceutical companies that produce a new drug obtains a patent which allows it to sell the drug exclusively for however long the patent is allowed to last (there is a cut off point so it can't run forever, don't remember how many years though).

Once the patent runs out, other companies are allowed to make generic drugs based off the original and compete with the first company. The effect of this is that it drives the price of the drug down, making it more accessible for more people. This seems like a reasonable sort of policy to have.

The changes however would allow for numerous resubmissions for renewing patents and remove the cap on maximum year of patents, and the resubmissions would be cheap enough to offset the cost of reapplying to allow a company to continually monopolise a drug. The effect of this is that fewer people get access, and because the resubmissions are constant, no one is allowed to create a generic version of the drug.

With US backing, the Australian government is attempting to stand firm against the second amendment the Opposition proposed, which has led to a stand off between the two parties. Not only is this damaging for the parliament by causing a standoff, if the FTA goes through without the amendments, then alot of people are going to be rorted both in their healthcare and in communications, let alone the other provisions of the FTA.

Actually, this reminds me of a point I didn't make earlier. US interference in the electoral process of her allies. This year is the election year in Australia, and we have two candidates, John Howard who heads the Coalition (Liberal and National parties) government that currently rules, and Mark Latham who heads the Labor Opposition.

Now, I'm not going to bore most of you with trivial details, but essentially Howard is attempting to run a similar campaign to Bush, that is that he's fighting a war against terror and that the war needs him at the helm rather than Latham.

Latham on the other hand is running a more moderate campaign and saying that Australia needs to step back and review other options than warfare which was based on deficient intelligence, something that the inquiry in Britain concurs with.

Now here's the problem. Over the past year, due to Latham's more moderate ideas and desire to focus more on domestic rather than international issues, American politicians including Rumsfeld, Powell and Bush himself have all repeatedly attacked Latham. Labelling him as rabidly anti-american and claiming that he is endangering the strong ties between America and Australia even so far as to suggest that the alliance between America and Australia would be broken (Powell was later forced to retract that statement in an interview on Australian National Television). Its been done specifically to support the current government, who have taken advantage of this and added their voice to it.

Now I'm sure that you can all appreciate that people tend not to appreciate another nation meddling with the politics of their country, especially democratic elections (even the ones who are being supported tend to resent the outside help because it implies they required it). Once again, it comes down to the question of power, right and action. If you have the power, does it give you the right to act? The notion of foreign sovereignty is a strong one, America itself is a prime example of this with its refusal to adhere to UN regulations, or, only adhering to regulations after they no longer interfered with American actions internationally. (Refer to UN legislation/treaties, specifically on those dealing with chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Good one to start off with is the non-proliferation treaty, which restricted the signing nations from giving nuclear weapons to countries that hadn't already created a nuclear warhead. America refused to sign until after it had given Israel a number of nuclear weapons and didn't foresee itself giving any other nations nuclear weaponry. Other treaties have similar discrepancies.)

Yet every other nation's foreign sovereignty is not being respected by America. In the most extreme cases, it is violated by war, in the more common and I believe more damaging, it is being violated by economic and foreign political policy which is not only hurting American opponents but American allies. This is why there is such a misconception that the world hates America. The best way I can describe it is like this.

American Foreign Policy with its allies is like the big friend that had the muscles in your circle of friends. Except imagine this big friend is a little greedy at times, always getting the bigger half of the pizza but you don't mind letting it slide even though it annoys the hell out of you because you're still friends and trust one another. Now imagine that on the odd occasion, the big friend eats about three quarters of the pizza every now and then, and you don't get a say in it. Now you're really beginning to resent the lack of respect which in turn means lack of friendship this big guy you call your friend is showing you.

Now imagine that someone suckerpunches your big friend, and he's got a short enough temper that not only doesn't he stop to think about it, he proceeds to give the cheap guy who suckerpunched him the beating of his life. What he doesn't take into account is that because he's done this, he's also succeeded in alienating you with the other people outside your group, so they don't simply avoid you now, there's the gnawing fear that you'll turn around a corner and get slapped about out of vengeance for the beating handed out by your big friend.

So essentially, your big friend is getting the better half of the deal all the time if not more, and he's destroying the tenuous ties you and your other friends had with people outside your group because he's brutalised someone who ticked him off who didn't really have a chance in a one on one fight. You're going to be somewhat annoyed to put it mildly with your big friend, because the lummox didn't stop for a moment and listen to you or anyone else, but just went and did their own thing, and left you and your other friends to wear the consequences that you were never given a choice in.

Thats the best analogy I can come up with at the moment, and I think its time for sleep.

The Saudi's are cracking down on Terrorism...like the US goverment promised to stop payments to the IRA in the 70's? Me thinks not.

The Saudis have been forced to confront terrorism on their homeland. Most Americans admittedly don't give a crap about the IRA.

The position of president of the European commission already went ot the Portugese prime minister Barroso (who by the way also was a supporter of Blair, Bush and Aznar - host of the summit at the Azores).
And if you don´t like Europe and the US with whom you want to go???? The empire is gone, realize that!!!!

that title is not given to Barroso for life... tony can wait a few more years no doubt... and we go with Canada of course! ;)

that title is not given to Barroso for life... tony can wait a few more years no doubt... and we go with Canada of course! ;)
So you want to join NAFTA with Canada, US and Mexico????

Vietnam and the Soviets getting they're asses kicked for years in a country the U.S. conquered in in less than two months are hardly comparable. The politics and strategic goals of the two conflicts were very different. The main reason we didn't retaliate after the war was due to mass casualties and a public sick of war. The politics and strategic goals of Vietnam and its' relation to the U.S. were not clear to the public at the time so most Americans didn't really support it, in fact many hated it and still hate it..

the us conquered it what... 20 years later? after how many years of civilwar? THAT is not compairable....

the us. signed that agreement in knowing very well that it would not take long before North Vietnam took over. The agreement was made to save face.

So you want to join NAFTA with Canada, US and Mexico????

No, JUST Canada (you asked, if neither Eu nor USA, then what - on that i can't very well answer Canada AND the usa, can i?).

we'll just make canada leave nafta...

Ive seen several posts on this but havent seen a Non-American say exactly why they hate the United States so much. So this goes out to all others that are not Americans. What is it that you hate about America?


Well, I don't hate America and less the American people. I dislike:
- the actual government
- the ignorance of many Americans I have got to know about what's happening in the world
- the political system that makes the political parties to prostitutes of capitalists and lobyism
- ESPECIALLY, because I saw it "live", the behaviour of US-security personal - do Negroes think when they have a uniform, they can take revenge at the white man? England also has black and indian (from India) guards, but they were totally different.

... to be continued

P.S.

Oh yes, and I really HATE McDonalds, Burger King and all the other fastfood-fabricians! ;-)

No, JUST Canada (you asked, if neither Eu nor USA, then what - on that i can't very well answer Canada AND the usa, can i?).

we'll just make canada leave nafta...
Shure: the British market is "so big" that Canada is going to leave NAFTA with its "small, tiny and unimportant" US market immidiately.

Shure: the British market is "so big" that Canada is going to leave NAFTA with its "small, tiny and unimportant" US market immidately.

of course. what on earth makes you think otherwise? the british empire will last forever!

Japan and the EU are not threats to the U.S.A.

Not yet at least. The U$A are making sure that they are creating their threats here by themselves.

of course. what on earth makes you think otherwise? the british empire will last forever!
You have a good sense of humor, hahahaha.

its a fact though
NO its just a beliveible lie the only thing you have above the rest of the world is money look at veitnam

You have a good sense of humor, hahahaha.

:)

seriously though mate, i just picked a nation out of the blue. the original poster didn't say he didn't like the EU, he just didn't like tony.

original text here:

Originally Posted by Textrania
Do you American's realise that the British actually hate your Country? We aren't your friend, our lap-dog of a prime minister just wants to be PRESIDENT OF EUROPE!


they not so much hate you as they are embarrassed over tony... ;)

:)
they not so much hate you as they are embarrassed over tony... ;)
I´m not shure who is more hated in Britain: the US or "the continent", especially France and Germany.
Blair used the anti-French card very clever. Respect.

Originally Posted by Capitalizt War Party
Vietnam and the Soviets getting they're asses kicked for years in a country the U.S. conquered in in less than two months are hardly comparable. The politics and strategic goals of the two conflicts were very different. The main reason we didn't retaliate after the war was due to mass casualties and a public sick of war. The politics and strategic goals of Vietnam and its' relation to the U.S. were not clear to the public at the time so most Americans didn't really support it, in fact many hated it and still hate it..


You know what happened the ill numbered,ill equipt and ill trained V.C wiped the floor with you, and retaliation would involve bombing the shit out of the jungles killing thousands of veitnamise that would include (gasp) capitalists

[QUOTE=The Mighty Eggplant] Capitalism works for America....socialism and communism, while extremely pretty ideas on paper, rarely pan out in developed, industrialised countries. It's unfortunate, but true...QUOTE]

Have you ever actually read any Marx or Engles ?

I quite like America. I've been to Florida for my holidays and the people I met there were very friendly. There are fast food restraunts left, right and centre, the breakfast bars have to be seen to be believed and the theme parks like Universal Studios and Disney Land are places where you don't want to leave.

I was hoping to go to New York and go to the top of the World Trade Centre. Some friends of mine went their once and they said the views were just spectacular. Unfortunately I will never get that chance. But if and when the Freedom tower is completed I hope to make it up my going to the top of that.

America is the strongest power in the world. But when I was there, I didn't think about the current administration, their political views or their military power. I made some friends, watched a space shuttle take off, watched another one land, been to Cape Canavral, and seen sights unique to the U.S and I would happily go again! :)

I quite like America. I've been to Florida for my holidays and the people I met there were very friendly. There are fast food restraunts left, right and centre, the breakfast bars have to be seen to be believed and the theme parks like Universal Studios and Disney Land are places where you don't want to leave.

I was hoping to go to New York and go to the top of the World Trade Centre. Some friends of mine went their once and they said the views were just spectacular. Unfortunately I will never get that chance. But if and when the Freedom tower is completed I hope to make it up my going to the top of that.

America is the strongest power in the world. But when I was there, I didn't think about the current administration, their political views or their military power. I made some friends, watched a space shuttle take off, watched another one land, been to Cape Canavral, and seen sights unique to the U.S and I would happily go again! :)

I live about 25 miles from Disney World and you are right, there is a LOT to see and do here. Another thing, we don't think abut our government either much on a day to day basis, but during election years we do tend to get all out of sorts until the election is over, then we go back to eating our fast food and hanging out on the beach and as individuals minding our own business. Thats pretty much why we don't on a whole know a lot about what is going on in the rest of the world. For that matter, not many non-Americans know what is going on in the US except for what they see on TV or read in a newspaper. Oh, but they do have their opinions though. ;)

You know what happened the ill numbered,ill equipt and ill trained V.C wiped the floor with you, and retaliation would involve bombing the shit out of the jungles killing thousands of veitnamise that would include (gasp) capitalists

Our men were fighting in an unknown terrain without a clear objective and lack of coherent leadership on the part of our government. We'd kill them easily if we were to go to war today.

What was your country doing when Communism nearly took over half the world?

We'd kill them easily if we were to go to war today.


today is not yesterday. you still lost.

Im canadian and I for one love America. I see people constantly toting America as ignorant -they are far from it-, overcapitalist -capitalism is freedom (this coming from someone who plans on a career of poetry) and those who hate it are to quote Nietzche, jealous tarantulas-, militaristic -probably the only country in history where the military is great enough to be the major political player and is not- and arrogant -I have found Canadians far more so-. If someone would help me understand where the hell these people are coming from with these claims, Id appreciate it.

Im canadian and I for one love America. I see people constantly toting America as ignorant -they are far from it-, overcapitalist -capitalism is freedom (this coming from someone who plans on a career of poetry) and those who hate it are to quote Nietzche, jealous tarantulas-, militaristic -probably the only country in history where the military is great enough to be the major political player and is not- and arrogant -I have found Canadians far more so-. If someone would help me understand where the hell these people are coming from with these claims, Id appreciate it.

Wow...I am impressed. :)

Im canadian and I for one love America. I see people constantly toting America as ignorant -they are far from it-, overcapitalist -capitalism is freedom (this coming from someone who plans on a career of poetry) and those who hate it are to quote Nietzche, jealous tarantulas-, militaristic -probably the only country in history where the military is great enough to be the major political player and is not- and arrogant -I have found Canadians far more so-. If someone would help me understand where the hell these people are coming from with these claims, Id appreciate it.
capitalism is slavery.

I live about 25 miles from Disney World and you are right, there is a LOT to see and do here. Another thing, we don't think abut our government either much on a day to day basis, but during election years we do tend to get all out of sorts until the election is over, then we go back to eating our fast food and hanging out on the beach and as individuals minding our own business. Thats pretty much why we don't on a whole know a lot about what is going on in the rest of the world. For that matter, not many non-Americans know what is going on in the US except for what they see on TV or read in a newspaper. Oh, but they do have their opinions though. ;)

I did visit the U.S at one time during an election year. It was when Bill Clinton became President and I remember watching the TV one evening in my hotel room. I have to say you do have a sense of humour when it comes to politics. I think the show I watched was 'Saturday Night Live'. Ii had Dan Akroyd, Bill Murrey and a whole load of other actors. I didn't really understand the complexities of who was who because it is as you say, we mind our own businesses. But nevertheless I was laughing so much I was in stitches. The jokes were funny and it proves that Americans aren't 'stuck up'. (As I have been told)

It is easy to draw opinions from what you see in the media. It is unfortunate that America is sometimes displayed as a 'bad place' and it is easier to remember the bad things about something than the good things. Until you have actually been to a place and seen it for yourself, you can't really judge for yourself.

As for the comments about Americans thinking they are the best, thats patriotism for you. I'm English and I think England is the best, just as an Italian would think Italy is the best. There is no shame in showing pride for your home country!! :)

I did visit the U.S at one time during an election year. It was when Bill Clinton became President and I remember watching the TV one evening in my hotel room. I have to say you do have a sense of humour when it comes to politics. I think the show I watched was 'Saturday Night Live'. Ii had Dan Akroyd, Bill Murrey and a whole load of other actors. I didn't really understand the complexities of who was who because it is as you say, we mind our own businesses. But nevertheless I was laughing so much I was in stitches. The jokes were funny and it proves that Americans aren't 'stuck up'. (As I have been told)

Saturday Night Live....some of the best political satire out there ever. That is one thing I do love about my country. We can make fun of our politicians all day and noone will get too worked over about it. You should have seen how they played Clinton during the Monica days. It was a riot. Bush and Saddam, oh they had a field day with those two as well.

It is easy to draw opinions from what you see in the media. It is unfortunate that America is sometimes displayed as a 'bad place' and it is easier to remember the bad things about something than the good things. Until you have actually been to a place and seen it for yourself, you can't really judge for yourself.

Thats true. When I lived in the UK I saw how the political system worked there as well, it was much more subdued than here as there was not as much hyperbole as we get. it was quite interesting to see the differences.

As for the comments about Americans thinking they are the best, thats patriotism for you. I'm English and I think England is the best, just as an Italian would think Italy is the best. There is no shame in showing pride for your home country!! :)

Well, thats the way people are. I have been to 31 countries and have yet to find one that holds a candle to the US for me. That is not to say that I did not appreciate them for what they are, but for me as an American, there is no place like home.

I don't think that everybody hates the USA. But I think that USA is hateable (if that word exists) specially by its AWFUL international affairs since the WWII. The propaganda about the american way of life (if something like that really exists and really is desireable) can tire even the most fanathical Hollywood fan (please, no more Denzel Washington films! and please, we're very proud of our History, don't try to remake it at your own pleasure).

In fact, if USA is the most powerful nation all over the world...why do we think that the USA people are so ignorant about the rest of the world? We must see how we are arquetypezed when you show a so pityable image of yourselves???

I'm sorry if my English isn't as good as I would wanted, but you must remember that there a lot of languages beyond yours. Is there any American who talks any language other than English? Europeans know two, three or even four languages. Must we need to learn English to be understood???

In any case, it's nice to see that there's intelligent life in the States (yes, it's a joke, I'm sorry :) ). If you ask outsiders you will always learn something about yourselves.

And one more thing...why the hell is USA supporting Israel? I don't have any prejudice against jews, but they - Israelians - have F-15s, nuclear weapons and things like that...and the Palestines not only were there before, the defend themselves with stones! (remember the Intifada...)

From Catalunya, Lemurya.

I hate when americans say they saved italy from Mussolini, because they brought us Mafia, corruption and perversion. (Mussolini was better)


By an italian fascist.

Yet, the people of Italy hung Mussolini...

And one more thing...why the hell is USA supporting Israel? I don't have any prejudice against jews, but they - Israelians - have F-15s, nuclear weapons and things like that...and the Palestines not only were there before, the defend themselves with stones! (remember the Intifada...)

From Catalunya, Lemurya.

Well, lets take a look at this and i will do my best to explain this one.

Israel is surrounded by enemies. On the very day that Israel declared itself a nation it was attacked by all of it's Arab neighbors. They have an absolute hatred of Jewish people for some reason. Israel obviously won that squabble. Since then Israel has been attacked by it's neighbors many times. Israel has never attacked outside of it's own borders except in 1982 when they chased the PLO all the way to Beirut.

In 1967 israel was attacked by Egypt, Syria. Lebanon and Jordan at the same time. Israel won that conflict as well and captured the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the Golan heights from Syria and the West bank from Jordan. They have since returned the Sinai to Egypt. Now the Arabs call Israels occupation of the Golan Heights and the West Bank illegal yet they fail to admit that Israel would not even have these lands if they had just left them alone.

Since Israel IS surrounded by enemies it requires the weapons needed to defend itself. So it bought them from the one ally that has stuck with them through thick and thin. Now they endure UN resolution after resolution against them, yet Yasser Arafat is given the Nobel Peace Prize. :rolleyes:

America says they are the most powerful military-nation in the world. Fighting for democracy. Yeah right. Why don't you do something about North Korea or maybe China? Because you are afraid of them and view your power in the middle east, attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. Have you ever attacked a nation having firearms instead of throwing rocks? Yes. Twice.
Vietnam -you lost.
North Korea -you lost again.
So therefore you attack small nations to view your power.
In ten years Japan, China and EU are much greater than you.

1)We ARE strong than North Korea and China. China just has more soldiers, but we have more tanks, and planes and ships and missiles.
2)We are afraid of nobody
3)Yes, Veitnam was a bad war I agree with you on that point, but the North Vietnamese won, because the us constantly bombed then and forced them underground where they couldnt be attacked by planes
4) I dont know who told you we lost against North Korea, but you need to smack them. We did out job, and that was to push North Koreans out of South Korea. And we even took on some of the Chinese. We DID win that war.
6)We dont attack smaller nations. Afghanistan is small in power, yes, but we arent fighting their military, we are fighting terrorist whom at any moment could blow you or any other person on earth to hell. At the time of the 1st Gulf War, Iraq had the 3rd strongest army in the world, second to only Russia, and the US. My source for this fact is from the Discovery Times Channel. Japan was stronger than us in WWII and so were the Germans. They were both had conqured many nations.
7) Japan in 10 years??? Let me tell you something. We run Japan. We run their military. We rebuilt Japan after we blew it to hell. Japan's military will never be able to match ours, because we regulate their military. The only way Japan will ever be stronger than us is with their Technology and economy. China will never be greater than us either. Everyyear, the Chinese cannot produce enough food to feed their people, along with the North Koreans. The United States is the one that gives food to both of these countries. Without of food, the Chinese and North Koreans would starve.

Sorry to have to discredit your theory, or what you would call it, but I couldnt help myslef.

4) I dont know who told you we lost against North Korea, but you need to smack them. We did out job, and that was to push North Koreans out of South Korea. And we even took on some of the Chinese. We DID win that war.


Minor adjustment. That war never ended. Just a prolonged ceasefire....

Now they endure UN resolution after resolution against them, yet Yasser Arafat is given the Nobel Peace Prize. :rolleyes:
Sometimes they make really poor choices. I wonder how Kissinger got one.

Minor adjustment. That war never ended. Just a prolonged ceasefire....

Same goes for Iraq before March 2003. We'll get back to North Korea...eventually.

Sometimes they make really poor choices. I wonder how Kissinger got one.

ya got me...very few who win them actually deserve them.

its a fact though
"most powerful" is a fact. "best" is an opinion.

They hate America for all the things I support it for.

6)We dont attack smaller nations

cute. what about grenada? or your only living in the present?

I´m not shure who is more hated in Britain: the US or "the continent", especially France and Germany.
Blair used the anti-French card very clever. Respect.

I don't think Britain hates France and Germany in the same way as the USA.

We hate America because of its ideals and government and arrogance, and the fact that its bigger and thinks it's better than us. ;)

We hate France because it's tradition, we hate them and they hate us.

I don't know why we hate Germany, I don't.

MAybe it's just those wierd UKIP people and people that hate th EU that don't like the continent.

They have an absolute hatred of Jewish people for some reason.
You Stupid Shit. I have to say that. You are just repeating the lies of the right wing zionist media broadcasters in your country who support the Israeli regime. Yes it is Officially a Regime. You know like Saddam had. That Evil Guy who was found in that hole.
They do NOT hate Jews. Anti-semitism and screaming holocaust every time someone attacks the Jews isn't an excuse for creating a replica of Nazi Germany in the Middle East. Israel is not a nation. Palestine was taken away from the locals and *given* to the *poor Jews* after WWII. What about the gypsies???and the cripples??? don't they get their own country???Or the blacks? Well simply put. There were no rich lobbyists blackmailing Roosevelt into providing them with land was there, NO.
If u call me Anti-semitic fine. I don't care. I know i don't hate Jews. Just 'cause i don't like Israel doesn't mean i'm a NAZI.
And finally i realise just WHY I HATE AMERICA. It is your Media. Your Rich, right wing, zionist media who corrupt and indoctonate the minds of the people since the age of TV news began. We in the greater world view America as ignorant and backwards. I mean, you can't even hold free and fair elections...call yourself a democracy. And how u bullshit u're way out things by using phrases like 'Liberty' and 'Freedom' when they are really just ideals which America in its current format can NEVER achieve.
The way you impose your 'might' on the world. the way you invade countries because 'we going to get rid of a bad guy' (Saddam), when actually there are far worse countries out there.
I hate the way u call everything Left of Hitler Commie or Liberal.
I hate the smugness you all ahve thinging you are better when you win competitions, truth is in proportion to population the Austrailians are the greatest sporting nation in the world.
The way you refuse to play the major world sports, and have a world series where only US teams can play (am i correct that u banned japanease baseball teams from playing...i'm not sure)
The way you group races and religions into stereotypes, creating nationwide rascism.(Arab=Terrorist, French=Pussy etc)
The way you use your economic might to strangle smaller and poorer countries, making them poorer and making their populus suffer.
I hate the way you think you are fighting for god. Even though all Chrisitian leaders denounced the Iraq war and Vietnam. (For Gods sake they didn't protest about the Holocaust, so you must have been doing some really bad shit there.)
*phew* tired now...sorry for the Flaming at the start. I just hate people :headbang: who believe what the media tell them. We have a Pro-Israeli Press in this country, but the public support the Palestinians. Because we are not ignorant people who blissfully live in slavery for an evil Empire who's prime goal is world domination. (America leading the way...Why aren't more countries like america?...who can we invade next?)[All taken from Fox News...Fair and Balanced my ARSE!]
But the worst thing is the way you destroy the rest of the worlds culture. You export your views, politics and society in Music, Film and Tv. You are smothering the World, waiting until they ask to become part of America.

We hate France because they are their neighbours (everynations populus hates their neighbours to some degree.) We hate the Germans because of the Post WWII impression we are given of cunning, ruthless and evil Germans..."Just don't mention the war." "You started it." "no we didn't, your the ones who invaded Poland."

We hate France because they are their neighbours (everynations populus hates their neighbours to some degree.) We hate the Germans because of the Post WWII impression we are given of cunning, ruthless and evil Germans..."Just don't mention the war." "You started it." "no we didn't, your the ones who invaded Poland."
"And then you declared war and turned it into a global conflict." :p

Thank you Textrania. Each time there is an anti-America Jew-hating rant, George W. Bush stands taller in my eyes.

This proud Jewish American will go forward to enjoy the freedoms offered in these United States. I proudly attend the temple of my choice, and down as many McDonalds burgers and fries as I please. And there is nothing you or France can do about it.

This is not sarcasm.

But the worst thing is the way you destroy the rest of the worlds culture. You export your views, politics and society in Music, Film and Tv. You are smothering the World, waiting until they ask to become part of America.
And thats the real danger from the US. And it's not a Bush thing. Cause the Democrats have the same agenda in that regard. Except they won't go to war over it. They are more sneaky.

Thank you Textrania. Each time there is an anti-America Jew-hating rant, George W. Bush stands taller in my eyes.

This proud Jewish American will go forward to enjoy the freedoms offered in these United States. I proudly attend the temple of my choice, and down as many McDonalds burgers and fries as I please. And there is nothing you or France can do about it.

This is not sarcasm.
WTF are you talking about?

1)We ARE strong than North Korea and China. China just has more soldiers, but we have more tanks, and planes and ships and missiles.
2)We are afraid of nobody
3)Yes, Veitnam was a bad war I agree with you on that point, but the North Vietnamese won, because the us constantly bombed then and forced them underground where they couldnt be attacked by planes
4) I dont know who told you we lost against North Korea, but you need to smack them. We did out job, and that was to push North Koreans out of South Korea. And we even took on some of the Chinese. We DID win that war.
6)We dont attack smaller nations. Afghanistan is small in power, yes, but we arent fighting their military, we are fighting terrorist whom at any moment could blow you or any other person on earth to hell. At the time of the 1st Gulf War, Iraq had the 3rd strongest army in the world, second to only Russia, and the US. My source for this fact is from the Discovery Times Channel. Japan was stronger than us in WWII and so were the Germans. They were both had conqured many nations.
7) Japan in 10 years??? Let me tell you something. We run Japan. We run their military. We rebuilt Japan after we blew it to hell. Japan's military will never be able to match ours, because we regulate their military. The only way Japan will ever be stronger than us is with their Technology and economy. China will never be greater than us either. Everyyear, the Chinese cannot produce enough food to feed their people, along with the North Koreans. The United States is the one that gives food to both of these countries. Without of food, the Chinese and North Koreans would starve.

Sorry to have to discredit your theory, or what you would call it, but I couldnt help myslef.

3. Yep, and after the US soldiers left the country, everythink became as it had been before the war. Well, not everuthing. The population was reduced.
4. Which war? Korea is still split in two nations with families, broken bu the border. The US just opposes N. Korea in order to dominate in the other.
6. You won't fighting the military? Though Afg. soldiers were killed, and the whole goverment system was broken. Yeees, you don't attak smaller nations, you attak terrorists who happen to form the whole nations.
As for Iraq. You insisted on sending a group of experts there, and revealing its military affairs as well as disarming. After that you stroke a blow.
7. Yes. You run Japan. Why annex it, if you can just assume the coltrol - making vassals is a good strategy.
As for China. Are you the only country to sell food? Btw, if the chineese are such badboys, why do you keep sending them food, for instance?

What was your country doing when Communism nearly took over half the world?

Why do you suppose Communism, as a system, to be worse than your beloved Capitalism?

Thank you Textrania. Each time there is an anti-America Jew-hating rant, George W. Bush stands taller in my eyes.

This proud Jewish American will go forward to enjoy the freedoms offered in these United States. I proudly attend the temple of my choice, and down as many McDonalds burgers and fries as I please. And there is nothing you or France can do about it.

This is not sarcasm.

That's great West Cedarbrook. I just hope that our gov't wises up and stops funding Israel. It continues to amaze me that we cannot afford to pay for teachers in our schools, yet we can funnel billions each year to Israel. What a joke. And *that* is not sarcasm.

Thanks for the endorsements guys. I think I'll munch some more fries.

You Stupid Shit. I have to say that. You are just repeating the lies of the right wing zionist media broadcasters in your country who support the Israeli regime. Yes it is Officially a Regime. You know like Saddam had. That Evil Guy who was found in that hole.
They do NOT hate Jews. Anti-semitism and screaming holocaust every time someone attacks the Jews isn't an excuse for creating a replica of Nazi Germany in the Middle East. Israel is not a nation. Palestine was taken away from the locals and *given* to the *poor Jews* after WWII. What about the gypsies???and the cripples??? don't they get their own country???Or the blacks? Well simply put. There were no rich lobbyists blackmailing Roosevelt into providing them with land was there, NO.
If u call me Anti-semitic fine. I don't care. I know i don't hate Jews. Just 'cause i don't like Israel doesn't mean i'm a NAZI.
And finally i realise just WHY I HATE AMERICA. It is your Media. Your Rich, right wing, zionist media who corrupt and indoctonate the minds of the people since the age of TV news began. We in the greater world view America as ignorant and backwards. I mean, you can't even hold free and fair elections...call yourself a democracy. And how u bullshit u're way out things by using phrases like 'Liberty' and 'Freedom' when they are really just ideals which America in its current format can NEVER achieve.
The way you impose your 'might' on the world. the way you invade countries because 'we going to get rid of a bad guy' (Saddam), when actually there are far worse countries out there.
I hate the way u call everything Left of Hitler Commie or Liberal.
I hate the smugness you all ahve thinging you are better when you win competitions, truth is in proportion to population the Austrailians are the greatest sporting nation in the world.
The way you refuse to play the major world sports, and have a world series where only US teams can play (am i correct that u banned japanease baseball teams from playing...i'm not sure)
The way you group races and religions into stereotypes, creating nationwide rascism.(Arab=Terrorist, French=Pussy etc)
The way you use your economic might to strangle smaller and poorer countries, making them poorer and making their populus suffer.
I hate the way you think you are fighting for god. Even though all Chrisitian leaders denounced the Iraq war and Vietnam. (For Gods sake they didn't protest about the Holocaust, so you must have been doing some really bad shit there.)
*phew* tired now...sorry for the Flaming at the start. I just hate people :headbang: who believe what the media tell them. We have a Pro-Israeli Press in this country, but the public support the Palestinians. Because we are not ignorant people who blissfully live in slavery for an evil Empire who's prime goal is world domination. (America leading the way...Why aren't more countries like america?...who can we invade next?)[All taken from Fox News...Fair and Balanced my ARSE!]
But the worst thing is the way you destroy the rest of the worlds culture. You export your views, politics and society in Music, Film and Tv. You are smothering the World, waiting until they ask to become part of America.


Yes, lets see. Israel is NOT a nation you say. Well, how does a non-nation gain entry into the UN?

Anti-Semitism is on the rise in Europe again, big surprise there right? Jews are fleeing Europe for Israel in great numbers right now. Especially from France who has a large Arab population and the Arabs are harrassing the jews. Surprised?

As a European your attitude does not surprise me. Europe as a whole has never supported Israel and has gone to great lengths to try and enact resolutions against Israel.

Israel is constantly being attacked by their Arab neighbors. Do you not think the Arabs would kill every Jew? You don't do things like that if you like them now do you. face it, Israel exists and will continue to do so. The Arabs are no where near as successful as the Jews, and they never will be.

As for sports, who gives a damn, I could not care less about world sports.

Culture? We can't help it that others like our movies and music and other things. Just don't partake, it is a freedom that you are aware of right? You DON"T have to go see the movies or listen to the music or anything.

Don't like the US? Fine. We will get along just fine with the knowledge that you don't like us. Just get in line. There have ALWAYS been people who dislike the US and there always will.

And thats the real danger from the US. And it's not a Bush thing. Cause the Democrats have the same agenda in that regard. Except they won't go to war over it. They are more sneaky.

Well...do you NOT have the freedom to see movies NOT made in the US...eat foods that have NO connection to the US...listen to music from LOCAL performers? Or is there some law that says you HAVE to take in US culture?

I did not think so.....you are consuming these things of your own free will and complaining about it.

That's great West Cedarbrook. I just hope that our gov't wises up and stops funding Israel. It continues to amaze me that we cannot afford to pay for teachers in our schools, yet we can funnel billions each year to Israel. What a joke. And *that* is not sarcasm.

There is PLENTY of money for schools in the US, that is ALWAYS an argument put forth by the NEO....a faschist union that is ALWAYS pulling a chicken little act.

As for Israel, I would give them a free hand to wipe out the Palestinians in a heartbeat. The palestinians are just being used by their Arab "brothers" as a surrogate army to fight Israel because they are unable to do so. So they supply money and arms to them to fight. Yassar Arafat is no statesman, he is nothing more than a terrorist...a very rich terrorist. To think he was awarded the Nobel peace prize...what a joke THAT was. However, there seems to be a split in the Palestinian lands and they are killing each other now. That is a good thing in my eyes.

Why do you suppose Communism, as a system, to be worse than your beloved Capitalism?

uhhhhhh.......Because the workers paradise that was the Soviet Union collapsed from the inside because the people finally had had enough and destroyed it themselves.

Now, get in line and wait for the bread like everyone else. Sorry, there is no bread today here, try that line over there.

uhhhhhh.......Because the workers paradise that was the Soviet Union collapsed from the inside because the people finally had had enough and destroyed it themselves.

Oh yeah. The USSR was a real workers paradise.

Now, get in line and wait for the bread like everyone else. Sorry, there is no bread today here, try that line over there.
Now you have shown the bad parts of State Capitalism, answer the question, "Why do you suppose Communism, as a system, to be worse than your beloved Capitalism?"

Well, lets take a look at this and i will do my best to explain this one.

Israel is surrounded by enemies. On the very day that Israel declared itself a nation it was attacked by all of it's Arab neighbors. They have an absolute hatred of Jewish people for some reason. Israel obviously won that squabble. Since then Israel has been attacked by it's neighbors many times. Israel has never attacked outside of it's own borders except in 1982 when they chased the PLO all the way to Beirut.

In 1967 israel was attacked by Egypt, Syria. Lebanon and Jordan at the same time. Israel won that conflict as well and captured the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the Golan heights from Syria and the West bank from Jordan. They have since returned the Sinai to Egypt. Now the Arabs call Israels occupation of the Golan Heights and the West Bank illegal yet they fail to admit that Israel would not even have these lands if they had just left them alone.

Since Israel IS surrounded by enemies it requires the weapons needed to defend itself. So it bought them from the one ally that has stuck with them through thick and thin. Now they endure UN resolution after resolution against them, yet Yasser Arafat is given the Nobel Peace Prize. :rolleyes:

Alot of the enemies Israel is surrounded by it has created itself.

1967- Interestingly enough, Israel actually fired the first shots of that war (surprise attack that destroyed the entire Egyptian AF in a few hours). Indeed, the Egyptians themselves had been massing troops, but offered to send their VP to the US for negotiations just prior to hostilities. Don't believe me? Fair enough, here is a quote from one of Israel's own prime ministers (Menachem Begin) in '82- in June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.". The subsequent seizure of land (Golan heights, Sinai etc) displaced roughly 250,000 palestinians, and left as much as a million under Israeli control....

Then of course we had Beirut, in which Isreal became so popular even it's fellatious supporter- the good ol' USofA ostracized it. Not surprising given the siege and bombing of a city.

Please, allow me to make this clear for all though- I am not anti-simitic. I condemn Israel in the same way I condemn the US- it's not the people, its the aggressive fools in control who get alot of innocent people killed for whom my loathing is reserved.

i dislike the U.S. policy to China. two-timing, double standards, illogical, plain stupid.

Ive seen several posts on this but havent seen a Non-American say exactly why they hate the United States so much. So this goes out to all others that are not Americans. What is it that you hate about America?

I don't hate america, but I do have a problem with americans that group all foreigners together as some kind of foe.

uhhhhhh.......Because the workers paradise that was the Soviet Union collapsed from the inside because the people finally had had enough and destroyed it themselves.

Now, get in line and wait for the bread like everyone else. Sorry, there is no bread today here, try that line over there.

Have you actually read any Marx or Engels? Biff, much in the same way that you claimed Britain was once socialist, you have your 'ism's mixed up.

One would be hard-pressed to argue that the USSR was truly Communist (that is: Marxist/Leninist). It was certainly authoritarian, and during the post-Stalin (which itself was definately not even vaguely communist) era it initiated some severly anti-business politics. However, even during this time, it was not even close to being the 'golden age' of Marxism, it was just a particularly large oligarchy.

This is not to say that Communism works, I would assert that it ultimately does not, but the USSR is not a good reason for holding such an opinion.

Alot of the enemies Israel is surrounded by it has created itself.

1967- Interestingly enough, Israel actually fired the first shots of that war (surprise attack that destroyed the entire Egyptian AF in a few hours). Indeed, the Egyptians themselves had been massing troops, but offered to send their VP to the US for negotiations just prior to hostilities. Don't believe me? Fair enough, here is a quote from one of Israel's own prime ministers (Menachem Begin) in '82- in June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.". The subsequent seizure of land (Golan heights, Sinai etc) displaced roughly 250,000 palestinians, and left as much as a million under Israeli control....

Then of course we had Beirut, in which Isreal became so popular even it's fellatious supporter- the good ol' USofA ostracized it. Not surprising given the siege and bombing of a city.

Please, allow me to make this clear for all though- I am not anti-simitic. I condemn Israel in the same way I condemn the US- it's not the people, its the aggressive fools in control who get alot of innocent people killed for whom my loathing is reserved.

You also forget to mention the Syrian, and Jordanian troops that were massed on the border too. They were surrponed and the reason they attacked the Egyptian air force was to gain total air superiority. You cannot win on the ground without that. They were correct to attack first because the Arabs were going to attack later that very day. As they very well did....

Oh yeah. The USSR was a real workers paradise.


Now you have shown the bad parts of State Capitalism, answer the question, "Why do you suppose Communism, as a system, to be worse than your beloved Capitalism?"

Because....

1. There are no civil rights. All power belongs to a central power.

2. There is no right to travel, not even internally.

3. There is no change of presidents, no matter how corrupt they are...and communism at the top is EXTREMELY corrupt.

4. The government does not trust the people and is actually afraid of them, thus all the restrictions placed on them.

Thats enough right there....

Have you actually read any Marx or Engels? Biff, much in the same way that you claimed Britain was once socialist, you have your 'ism's mixed up.

One would be hard-pressed to argue that the USSR was truly Communist (that is: Marxist/Leninist). It was certainly authoritarian, and during the post-Stalin (which itself was definately not even vaguely communist) era it initiated some severly anti-business politics. However, even during this time, it was not even close to being the 'golden age' of Marxism, it was just a particularly large oligarchy.

This is not to say that Communism works, I would assert that it ultimately does not, but the USSR is not a good reason for holding such an opinion.

No I have not read their works. Communism in its purest form can never exist...and neither can capitalism. However, I will take capitalism and its inherent freedoms over any form of communism. ANTS and BEES have a pure communist system...and I consider humans to be above those life forms. ;)

Oh, and Britain...and much of Europe was and may still be socialist. Publicly owned industries equal socialism. The auto, shipping, mining and power industries were all publicly owned by the state.

Because America is an alcoholic. Power makes us drunk, and when someone tries to stage an intervention, we storm off half-way around the world and pick a fight.

Nicely put :)

I'd just like to add, as a non-ameriican who has lived and studied there for 4 years and since come back home to mother Norway, that having lived among vinlanders and observed them (Masters Degree in Criminal Psychology), there is a whole lot more to why Europeans have a dislike for vinlanders. Its all about attitudes.

Its not the manner in which they go about with only partial education /knowledge of the countries they visit, belittleling everything with 'Isn't it quaint?' or 'we have that, only bigger/better' or even, 'we invented that, you should be grateful', no! We can cope with that, thats just their inherant rudeness. Its just that vinlanders, have this great thing, a precious thing called america instead of realising the potential they have and the responsibilty that comes with it they behave like the spoilt teeneagers of the world and fritter all vinland's beauties and resources away, no care for the their own futures, let alone those of other nations. Their attitude of 'I am american, let me get on the lifeboat first', grates after a while, and slaps the rest of us in the face. Worse still is that they don't tend to see themselves doing this. If thats not bad enough, they are the fore-runners of so many bad things; fast food like Mcdog burgers, massive reliance on drugs like prozak and vallium being considered 'the norm', friendly fire is their best yet, their audacity to think that just because their own vinlanders believe the spin doctors and hype of the government with barely a question raised, they truely think they can pull the same wool over the eyes of those nations that are their parent countries. There is so much more but i'd prefer not to depress myself as i may be moving back there, to be by my man's side, a vinlander, one that sees reality and not the movie that america seems to have become.

Some folks may be offended by my post, i expect that to happen, i could if requested pick out fault with any country, i am just answering the actual question posed, 'why are americans (specifically) hated by others?'

Edit: Having just posted this here, i return to me live journal for the purposes of spamming it ands find a comment left to one of my recent posts, its relevant i think.. so i'll leave a link ( sorry about my disability to use forum tools, i'm mostly an HTML chick) here:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/lucifein/166542.html?nc=1

Publicly owned industries equal socialism. I think there may be a little more to it than that.

As for America, I think a problem is it insists on bullying any country which it can into doing whatever it wants. Like the dirty GM aid to africa to prevent Africa from selling to the EU. The WTO is an american puppet also. And before the Brits joined the US in the 'war on terror', a large arms deal was put through to BAE (I think)creating many UK jobs? Coincidence? I'd like to htink so.

Of course the Syrians and the Jordanians had troops massed on the borders, all powers had been upping the (military) ante prior to the war. But there are two vital points in my post you overlook:

1) The arabs may well not have attacked that day- the Egyptians for one sent their VP to Washington for talks. Why do that if your about to launch a war of aggression within hours?

2) Once Isreal had attacked (and remember Begin's quote- it WAS a choice), the only thing for Syria and Jordan to do would be to join in- as far as they knew they would be next (if Israel were to attack Egypt, they would be stupid NOT to then go for the others, now that their ally was engaged)

The PLO is an organisation I regard with a great deal of contempt too btw, however Israel is simply out of line. The fact that the US has backed it up so many times, when it was so clearly in the wrong is a perfect example of the borderline-corruption that can occur in the US (and indeed any democratic system)

As for the Communism thing: let's take a look.

1. There are no civil rights. All power belongs to a central power.

-not according to true Marxist dogma, read 'Das Capital' or 'the Communist Manifesto'. Again, this is where Lenin and to a much greated extent Stalin and others perverted their ideologies in order to retain power.

2. There is no right to travel, not even internally.

-again, this is the direct opposite of true Communism. Marxism was designed to be an inherrently international movement, 'Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains'. Thus, in a truly communist system, travel would most likely be allowed.

3. There is no change of presidents, no matter how corrupt they are...and
communism at the top is EXTREMELY corrupt.

There was not supposed to be one man in any Communist/Marxist system- dictatorship of the proletariat (working classes), with a politburo to lead them in the case of Leninism. All forms of political system suffer from corruption to some degree- for examples of it being rampantly so in democracies, look at South Vietnam (just prior to the war, under Diem) and modern-day Russia

4. The government does not trust the people and is actually afraid of them, thus
all the restrictions placed on them.

Same could be said for many countries that are not communist.

I think there may be a little more to it than that.

As for America, I think a problem is it insists on bullying any country which it can into doing whatever it wants. Like the dirty GM aid to africa to prevent Africa from selling to the EU. The WTO is an american puppet also. And before the Brits joined the US in the 'war on terror', a large arms deal was put through to BAE (I think)creating many UK jobs? Coincidence? I'd like to htink so.

There is more...publicly owned medical care, publicly owned housing...the list goes on but I am tired of listing the publicly owned entities. A lack of privately owned industry stifles competition and thus quality suffers. Publicly owned industry cannot survive.

Yes, there are a LOT of back handed deals out there by all nations. France tried the same thing to sway votes on the security council. Are you surprised that the US would do these things to? I am not.

No I have not read their works. Communism in its purest form can never exist...and neither can capitalism. However, I will take capitalism and its inherent freedoms over any form of communism. ANTS and BEES have a pure communist system...and I consider humans to be above those life forms. ;)

Oh, and Britain...and much of Europe was and may still be socialist. Publicly owned industries equal socialism. The auto, shipping, mining and power industries were all publicly owned by the state.

Bees and Ants haven't wiped out billions of their own kind throughout their history. Nor have they developed, and mass-produced weapons capable to destroying nearly all life on the planet. It all depends on perspective.

Definition of Socialism: (edit: source)www.indiana.edu/~ipe/glossry.html

An economic and political system in which private property is abolished and the means of production (i.e., capital and land) are collectively owned and operated by the community as a whole in order to advance the interests of all. In Marxist ideology, socialism is considered an intermediate stage in the inevitable transformation of capitalism into communism. A socialist society is envisioned as being characterized by the dictatorship of the proletariat; the existence of a high degree of cooperation and equality; and the absence of discrimination, poverty, exploitation, and war. With the non-existence of private ownership, the private profit motive is eliminated from economic life. Consequently, market forces do not play a role in organizing the process of production. Instead, large-scale government planning is employed to ensure the harmonious operation of the process of production.

In all of your listed industries (e.g. public health care, etc), there are privately owned alternatives- the fact that the government also provides one is irrelevant. It is not designed to be a business in the way that it's private counterparts are, the intention behind it is to provide the economically disadvantaged (as well as anyone else) with an affordable alternative. This is quite distinct from the US system, which is nightmarish. Overall: Britain is most certainly not socialist, by any means.

Well, most of the people i know consider the american government a laughing joke and many consider that the president is more dangerosu than saddam etc. Some think he has good ideas and everyone is angry over the twin tower attacks. However, personnally thye main reason the US arre hated in England is the fact that they belive they one World War 2. This gets on everyones nerve because all we needed was supplies and men, i am not saying that we aren't grateful for the american's input it's just some are so arrogant that they think that american saved us. I am not saying all americans are like that, but some are so arrogant!!!!!!!!!

uhhhhhh.......Because the workers paradise that was the Soviet Union collapsed from the inside because the people finally had had enough and destroyed it themselves.
One of the main reasons actually is that the Soviet Union was bankcrupt. For years there military spending was somethink like 70% of their GDP.

Of course the Syrians and the Jordanians had troops massed on the borders, all powers had been upping the (military) ante prior to the war. But there are two vital points in my post you overlook:

1) The arabs may well not have attacked that day- the Egyptians for one sent their VP to Washington for talks. Why do that if your about to launch a war of aggression within hours?

2) Once Isreal had attacked (and remember Begin's quote- it WAS a choice), the only thing for Syria and Jordan to do would be to join in- as far as they knew they would be next (if Israel were to attack Egypt, they would be stupid NOT to then go for the others, now that their ally was engaged)

MAYBE they might not have attacked, but when you are surrounded and facing such a force, do you take that chance? Say israel had NOT attacked, but the Arabs had...there would probably be no Israel now and how many more Jews would have been killed in a second holocaust?

The PLO is an organisation I regard with a great deal of contempt too btw, however Israel is simply out of line. The fact that the US has backed it up so many times, when it was so clearly in the wrong is a perfect example of the borderline-corruption that can occur in the US (and indeed any democratic system)

Maybe, but when was the last time you heard of a Jew blowing himself up to kill Arabs? I will agree that the settlements are a real problem, but on the other hand, Israel would not have that land if not for the aforementioned conflict.

As for the Communism thing: let's take a look.

1. There are no civil rights. All power belongs to a central power.

-not according to true Marxist dogma, read 'Das Capital' or 'the Communist Manifesto'. Again, this is where Lenin and to a much greated extent Stalin and others perverted their ideologies in order to retain power.

2. There is no right to travel, not even internally.

-again, this is the direct opposite of true Communism. Marxism was designed to be an inherrently international movement, 'Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains'. Thus, in a truly communist system, travel would most likely be allowed.

3. There is no change of presidents, no matter how corrupt they are...and
communism at the top is EXTREMELY corrupt.

There was not supposed to be one man in any Communist/Marxist system- dictatorship of the proletariat (working classes), with a politburo to lead them in the case of Leninism. All forms of political system suffer from corruption to some degree- for examples of it being rampantly so in democracies, look at South Vietnam (just prior to the war, under Diem) and modern-day Russia

4. The government does not trust the people and is actually afraid of them, thus all the restrictions placed on them.

Same could be said for many countries that are not communist.

1. There is NO true communism....nor true capitalism. All we have to go by are the examples of how they have evolved.

2. Again, the evolution of communism when practiced by it's formost converts is not a great example. Maybe it is not supposed to have been that way, but as we know...power corrupts and there really were no checks and bounds in that system.

3. See number 2.

4. True, but other governments are not what the Soviet Union became.

One of the main reasons actually is that the Soviet Union was bankcrupt. For years there military spending was somethink like 70% of their GDP.

Actually it was 20%.....but still a large sum.

Ive seen several posts on this but havent seen a Non-American say exactly why they hate the United States so much. So this goes out to all others that are not Americans. What is it that you hate about America?


I don’t “hate” the USA.
I don’t think I can hate a country. A country is just a piece of ground, nothing more.
I don’t like the government, that’s all. I don’t hate the people, they’re just humans living on that piece of ground called USA.
There are good and bad people, poor and rich people etc etc etc.

Why I don’t like the US government:
- They’re arrogant
- Think they rule the world
- They’re egocentric
- Don’t listen to what other people say
- Think the USA is the perfect system
- It’s not democratic (not really)

There are more countries with ^ those “points”. (Like France)
The difference; France is not a “superpower”.


Ivymike,
EU, Netherlands

Bees and Ants haven't wiped out billions of their own kind throughout their history. Nor have they developed, and mass-produced weapons capable to destroying nearly all life on the planet. It all depends on perspective.

Actually they have...have you never watched red and black ants fight? As for bees...there is a species here in the states that has no stinger at all, they have all but been killed off by the bees with stingers. Ants don't need weapons. if they were the size of small dogs, they would be the only lifeform on the planet.


Definition of Socialism: (edit: source)www.indiana.edu/~ipe/glossry.html

An economic and political system in which private property is abolished and the means of production (i.e., capital and land) are collectively owned and operated by the community as a whole in order to advance the interests of all. In Marxist ideology, socialism is considered an intermediate stage in the inevitable transformation of capitalism into communism. A socialist society is envisioned as being characterized by the dictatorship of the proletariat; the existence of a high degree of cooperation and equality; and the absence of discrimination, poverty, exploitation, and war. With the non-existence of private ownership, the private profit motive is eliminated from economic life. Consequently, market forces do not play a role in organizing the process of production. Instead, large-scale government planning is employed to ensure the harmonious operation of the process of production.

In all of your listed industries (e.g. public health care, etc), there are privately owned alternatives- the fact that the government also provides one is irrelevant. It is not designed to be a business in the way that it's private counterparts are, the intention behind it is to provide the economically disadvantaged (as well as anyone else) with an affordable alternative. This is quite distinct from the US system, which is nightmarish. Overall: Britain is most certainly not socialist, by any means.

Ok, they were semi-socialist, but going in that direction. There were no privately owned mines, auto manufacturers, aircraft industries, or other heavey industry. It was all publicly owned and floundering. Now that it has been privatized again, the pendulum has swung back.

Maybe, but when was the last time you heard of a Jew blowing himself up to kill Arabs? I will agree that the settlements are a real problem, but on the other hand, Israel would not have that land if not for the aforementioned conflict.



It wouldn't really make sense to blow yourself up when you've got tanks, helecopters and a modern army there to do the damage instead.

Edit: Isreal keeps building and expanding 'that land' even years after the conflict.

It wouldn't really make sense to blow yourself up when you've got tanks, helecopters and a modern army there to do the damage instead.

True enough...and if they sent the tanks in EVERY time there was a bus blown up, the Palistinians would be history...in time they will be. The Israelis will eventually push them into the river Jordan and be done with them.

MAYBE they might not have attacked, but when you are surrounded and facing such a force, do you take that chance? Say israel had NOT attacked, but the Arabs had...there would probably be no Israel now and how many more Jews would have been killed in a second holocaust?

Maybe, but when was the last time you heard of a Jew blowing himself up to kill Arabs? I will agree that the settlements are a real problem, but on the other hand, Israel would not have that land if not for the aforementioned conflict..

I love the use of the word 'holocaust' when discussing anything to do with jews and war. My point is, when you are dealing with the lives of so many (of your own too, the Israelis still lost troops in that conflict, despite their success), wouldn't you first try and exhaust all attempts to resolve the problem w/out force (remember again, the Egyptian VP) before. But then again, Israel would lose it's excuse to secure the land that it did...

Have you ever heard of any successful military attack by the PLO against the Israeli military in a conventional sense. Suicide bombers/guerilla warfare has been the only way for any group without a sizable military to conduct armed resistence. I have, however, heard of plenty of palestinian civilians being killed by Israelis too btw.


1. There is NO true communism....nor true capitalism. All we have to go by are the examples of how they have evolved.

2. Again, the evolution of communism when practiced by it's formost converts is not a great example. Maybe it is not supposed to have been that way, but as we know...power corrupts and there really were no checks and bounds in that system.

3. See number 2.

4. True, but other governments are not what the Soviet Union became.

1. Not true: Marxism is clearly defined and well documented and described (Lenin alone wrote as many as 10 million words during his life on the subject). My entire point is that with this in mind, one cannot decide on what Communism is when the system implemented is simply not it.

2. Exactly- it simply wasn't Communist. The oligarchial/dictatorial systems that were actually implemented certainly didn't work, but again, one cannot say that Communism doesn't work when a system so perverted from puritan Marxism/Leninism/Bolshevism failed. It's like saying that Libertarianism is inevitably flawed just because of the Great Depression.

4. Yes, many worse so, many better- Communism was never truly implemented so it is inherrently erroneous to declare Communism to be inevitably corrupt by looking at a different system (ala the USSR)

Americans don't realise how powerful Europe is

Actually they have...have you never watched red and black ants fight? As for bees...there is a species here in the states that has no stinger at all, they have all but been killed off by the bees with stingers. Ants don't need weapons. if they were the size of small dogs, they would be the only lifeform on the planet.

Ok, they were semi-socialist, but going in that direction. There were no privately owned mines, auto manufacturers, aircraft industries, or other heavey industry. It was all publicly owned and floundering. Now that it has been privatized again, the pendulum has swung back.

I meant to edit out that statement about Bees/Ants killing each other, I should have remember that from Bio. They have, however, thus far refrained from developing and mass-producing Nuc/Chem/Bio weaps. My point is not that we are worse then other species, but to claim that we are 'Higher', in any way, is imo, quite wrong.

When was this, pray tell?

I love the use of the word 'holocaust' when discussing anything to do with jews and war. My point is, when you are dealing with the lives of so many (of your own too, the Israelis still lost troops in that conflict, despite their success), wouldn't you first try and exhaust all attempts to resolve the problem w/out force (remember again, the Egyptian VP) before. But then again, Israel would lose it's excuse to secure the land that it did...

Have you ever heard of any successful military attack by the PLO against the Israeli military in a conventional sense. Suicide bombers/guerilla warfare has been the only way for any group without a sizable military to conduct armed resistence. I have, however, heard of plenty of palestinian civilians being killed by Israelis too btw.

Are you going to tell me that IF the Arabs had won the 1967 war they would not have wiped out the Jews in Israel. I submit that they would have killed every last one of them.



1. Not true: Marxism is clearly defined and well documented and described (Lenin alone wrote as many as 10 million words during his life on the subject). My entire point is that with this in mind, one cannot decide on what Communism is when the system implemented is simply not it.

2. Exactly- it simply wasn't Communist. The oligarchial/dictatorial systems that were actually implemented certainly didn't work, but again, one cannot say that Communism doesn't work when a system so perverted from puritan Marxism/Leninism/Bolshevism failed. It's like saying that Libertarianism is inevitably flawed just because of the Great Depression.

4. Yes, many worse so, many better- Communism was never truly implemented so it is inherrently erroneous to declare Communism to be inevitably corrupt by looking at a different system (ala the USSR)

Communism was tried and it failed. That it evolved into something else is granted but thats what happens when you add the human factor into the mix. The same is true of the US. It is hardly what the founders wanted it to be.

True enough...and if they sent the tanks in EVERY time there was a bus blown up, the Palistinians would be history...in time they will be. The Israelis will eventually push them into the river Jordan and be done with them.

Does this include the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians who want nothing more than the land they owned for hundreds of years back? If Sharon remains in power for long, I fear you may well be right

Americans don't realise how powerful Europe is

Oh, I think we have a very good idea since we have been there since 1945 and the European militaries are tied in to NATO. So we know exactly what forces are available in Europe.

I meant to edit out that statement about Bees/Ants killing each other, I should have remember that from Bio. They have, however, thus far refrained from developing and mass-producing Nuc/Chem/Bio weaps. My point is not that we are worse then other species, but to claim that we are 'Higher', in any way, is imo, quite wrong.

When was this, pray tell?

Ants and nuc/chem/bio weapons? hmmmm....you are right about the Nuke part...but have you ever been bitten by a fire ant? They use formic acid as a weapon...so that is a chem weapon. Bullet ants use a bio weapon that sends powerful nerve impulses. they are called bullet ants because their bite has been equated to a gunshot.

In the 70's and 80's all auto's made in the UK were made by "British Leyland" the "nationalized" auto industy. the mines were as well...remember the strikes in the 80's? I do, I was living there then.

Are you going to tell me that IF the Arabs had won the 1967 war they would not have wiped out the Jews in Israel. I submit that they would have killed every last one of them.

Communism was tried and it failed. That it evolved into something else is granted but thats what happens when you add the human factor into the mix. The same is true of the US. It is hardly what the founders wanted it to be.

What, btw, are you basing this assumption on? If the egyptians and co had some insane fixation to kill every Isreali man, woman and child as you assert, then surely they would have gone to vastly greater lengths to do so.

I would say they would have done what the Isrealis did- displace the poplution

Biff, how many times must I show this: Communism was truly not tried. It had some superficial similarities at times, but overall was an entirely different thing. My reasons for believing why Communism cannot be achieved correctly (i.e. as per Marx's writings, or even Lenin's) involve the human factor. Then again, I will concede that there is always the possibility of it doing so.

I agree with the US thing- one of the saddest facts of the world for me.

Does this include the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians who want nothing more than the land they owned for hundreds of years back? If Sharon remains in power for long, I fear you may well be right

Well, the Jews can claim the land back over 2000 years....so they will all argue left and right.

The Jews have shown great patience in my opinion.

Oh, I think we have a very good idea since we have been there since 1945 and the European militaries are tied in to NATO. So we know exactly what forces are available in Europe.
Yeah. the 212 A submarine for example. Something the Yanks desperatly tried to get control of. Luckily they didn't get the wharfs.

What, btw, are you basing this assumption on? If the egyptians and co had some insane fixation to kill every Isreali man, woman and child as you assert, then surely they would have gone to vastly greater lengths to do so.

I would say they would have done what the Isrealis did- displace the poplution

Displace them? To where? Which Arab state would take in several million Jews? The Nazi's tried to displace them too.

Biff, how many times must I show this: Communism was truly not tried. It had some superficial similarities at times, but overall was an entirely different thing. My reasons for believing why Communism cannot be achieved correctly (i.e. as per Marx's writings, or even Lenin's) involve the human factor. Then again, I will concede that there is always the possibility of it doing so.

I agree with the US thing- one of the saddest facts of the world for me.

I have stated that I do not know the writings of Marx/Ingles but I do know that I would not like to live in that type of system. I think they spent too much time watching the ants and bees. LOL

As for the US evolving into what it is today...it would not have exceot for external stimulus.

Yeah. the 212 A submarine for example. Something the Yanks desperatly tried to get control of. Luckily they didn't get the wharfs.

Whatever. I do not know enough about that one. But the knowledge is out there...and available. Militarily, Europe is not as powerful as it should be. The US has tried for years to get the European nations to spend more on their own defense, but they have not done so.

Ants and nuc/chem/bio weapons? hmmmm....you are right about the Nuke part...but have you ever been bitten by a fire ant? They use formic acid as a weapon...so that is a chem weapon. Bullet ants use a bio weapon that sends powerful nerve impulses. they are called bullet ants because their bite has been equated to a gunshot.

In the 70's and 80's all auto's made in the UK were made by "British Leyland" the "nationalized" auto industy. the mines were as well...remember the strikes in the 80's? I do, I was living there then.

Ok, technically they do. Compared to say: VX gas, serin and god knows what other types of Bio weps currently held by the US and many others, they still haven't got a fraction of what we do though.

I too was alive during the 80's btw (god help me). http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?wschapter3f.htm- according to my reading, Leyland was formed not due to state (UK) legislation or even came under state ownership, but instead was formed as a result of a perceived need to unite smaller companies into a larger one to combat US/Jap/German competition.

I am yet to read on the mines, but I suspect a similar situation.

As for the Jew/Palestinian debate: remember, if we go by the 'we were here first logic', the US should relinquish all its lands to native americans, as 2,000 years ago, from what I know, they were there too. This is why people generally try to deal with more recent disenfranchisements of land.

Displace them? To where? Which Arab state would take in several million Jews? The Nazi's tried to displace them too.

I have stated that I do not know the writings of Marx/Ingles but I do know that I would not like to live in that type of system. I think they spent too much time watching the ants and bees. LOL

As for the US evolving into what it is today...it would not have exceot for external stimulus.

Displacement: Well, indeed, Nazi-like displacement is certainly one possibility. But the universal world-wide condemnation and likely military action/sanctions would probably render that idea a silly one.

More likely- there were plenty of refugee camps in the area. With the fall of Israel, and the possible return of land to palestinians, I'd wager that many of said refuges would be vacant...

US: I haven't heard that one yet, please go on

Displace them? To where? Which Arab state would take in several million Jews?
Why to an Arab state? Just send them to the US and give them a nice reservation in the Nevada desert.

Ok, technically they do. Compared to say: VX gas, serin and god knows what other types of Bio weps currently held by the US and many others, they still haven't got a fraction of what we do though.

I don't know....we have fire ants here in Florida now and they have taken over from the native species...they killed them all off. You get bitten by these things and it leaves a scar. They are very small too.

I too was alive during the 80's btw (god help me). http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?wschapter3f.htm- according to my reading, Leyland was formed not due to state (UK) legislation or even came under state ownership, but instead was formed as a result of a perceived need to unite smaller companies into a larger one to combat US/Jap/German competition.

I am yet to read on the mines, but I suspect a similar situation.

Yes, the government did that...it was a disaster. British cars are pretty bad as a rule, but they were awful during the british letland days.

As for the Jew/Palestinian debate: remember, if we go by the 'we were here first logic', the US should relinquish all its lands to native americans, as 2,000 years ago, from what I know, they were there too. This is why people generally try to deal with more recent disenfranchisements of land.

Thats right...and as a Native American....I want my land back!! LOL

Why to an Arab state? Just send them to the US and give them a nice reservation in the Nevada desert.

Yeah....why not to Europe. Most of them went to israel from there anyway. See where this is going?

Displacement: Well, indeed, Nazi-like displacement is certainly one possibility. But the universal world-wide condemnation and likely military action/sanctions would probably render that idea a silly one.

More likely- there were plenty of refugee camps in the area. With the fall of Israel, and the possible return of land to palestinians, I'd wager that many of said refuges would be vacant...

US: I haven't heard that one yet, please go on

Do you think the US would be where it is today without WWI and WWII? External stimulus....we were isolationist...had no real standing army and were just going along nicely before those two incidents. So it can be argued that the present US was created by external stimulus as opposed to home grown movements.

Yeah....why not to Europe. Most of them went to israel from there anyway. See where this is going?
Because we are anti semitic. We dare to disagree with Israeli policy. And not just that we even dare to say it out loud. Ergo, we are anti semitic. Just ask Sharon. So thats not an option. The US on the other hardly ever criticices Israel. Which makes them the most logic choice for relocation.

"Why to an Arab state? Just send them to the US and give them a nice reservation in the Nevada desert. "

Sounds better than the British alternative to Palestine during WW1 which was a scheme creating a Jewish homeland in Uganda! (Scary world where Idi Amin and Dayan would be neighbours..shudder.)

Responding to the orginal thread - the US is seen as 'top nation' - the hegemonic power and as a result it's hated - during Pax Brittanica most people hated us Brits, during the golden age of Bourbon France most people hated the French, Hapsburg Hegemony nobody liked the Austrians and Spanish...it's the way of the world.

Because we are anti semitic. We dare to disagree with Israeli policy. And not just that we even dare to say it out loud. Ergo, we are anti semitic. Just ask Sharon. So thats not an option. The US on the other hardly ever criticices Israel. Which makes them the most logic choice for relocation.

I have a better idea....arm Israel to the teeth and give them a free hand to defend themselves as needed. Block all European attempts to stifle them and sit back and enjoy. ;)

I have a better idea....arm Israel to the teeth and give them a free hand to defend themselves as needed. Block all European attempts to stifle them and sit back and enjoy. ;)
Well, thats how it is today. Israel goes around assasinating all that it wants, and the US has it's back every step of the way.

Well, thats how it is today. Israel goes around assasinating all that it wants, and the US has it's back every step of the way.

Wow...I am a genius!! LOL Well...since noone else wanted the Jews, they HAD to go somewhere...so they went "home" and created a nation for themselves. Now more jews from Europe are going there because of anti-semitism.

Ya see....we Americans tend to always pull for the underdog. it is in our nature to do so.

"Why to an Arab state? Just send them to the US and give them a nice reservation in the Nevada desert. "

Sounds better than the British alternative to Palestine during WW1 which was a scheme creating a Jewish homeland in Uganda! (Scary world where Idi Amin and Dayan would be neighbours..shudder.)

Responding to the orginal thread - the US is seen as 'top nation' - the hegemonic power and as a result it's hated - during Pax Brittanica most people hated us Brits, during the golden age of Bourbon France most people hated the French, Hapsburg Hegemony nobody liked the Austrians and Spanish...it's the way of the world.

Uganda....Idi Amin would have eaten them...LOL

Ive seen several posts on this but havent seen a Non-American say exactly why they hate the United States so much. So this goes out to all others that are not Americans. What is it that you hate about America?
I come from Europe but I don't actually hate the USA. I'm grateful for your help during WWII. But the feeling I have upon you is that everywhere you go, everything you do, it's your way or nothing. It's a feeling. I was in Spain for study, well after three months everyone from abroad was talking Spanish, from UK, from Poland, even Norwegian. All of them talked Spanish. They were clumsy but at least they made a try. The American people were the only ones to speak English from the beginning to the end. Not because they can't, they all were able to. Probably it's because you think that you're free to be yourself and blah blah blah, but look, it really bothers other people. For many reasons I think USA is still an 'immature' country. You should stop to consider yourselves different from the rest of the world, if not the center.

As to the Ants: lets not dwell on this one. Bottom line: (for the sake of arguement I'll take your word for this) We both have the potential to drastically quell our own numbers, so we one would be hard-pressed to say we are any more or less a species than they are

Well Biff, at the risk of sounding rude, can you please provide a source as I have to back up your arg?

Israel: arming Israel all it likes.....<shivers>....Sharon with nukes, god help us all (that's coming from an agnostic/atheist). It's sad, we seemed to be making so much progress with that little situation during the ninties. Now I look at the situation, consider all that I have seen about it and think "......w....what the fuck happened!" :rolleyes:. I'd say the only way to end that conflict would be to start cutting back that fellatious US backing of Israel, thus probably forcing them to come to the negotiating table (for real this time), and hopefully getting back to where we were ten years ago (at the very least, it was still nasty of course, but its gotten progressively worse). Still, this is what I hope would happen, but I am not so nieve to think that the Jewish lobby in the US would even begin to see that happen (hah! Fat chance)

Back to the topic: US (www.ifamericansknew.org) support of Israel would have to be one of my own, and indeed one of many people around the world's main reasons for disliking the current government and those like it.

Wow...I am a genius!! LOL Well...since noone else wanted the Jews, they HAD to go somewhere...so they went "home" and created a nation for themselves. Now more jews from Europe are going there because of anti-semitism.

Ya see....we Americans tend to always pull for the underdog. it is in our nature to do so.
The underdog beeing Israel? Bwahahaha..

Your contribution might have some value if it contained correctly spelled words, and backed up generalisations with facts and figures. Until you can do this, I suggest you learn more and spout your mouth off less.
(This was in reply to the comment about US hatred and fear of socialism and communism.)

Look at Paul Robeson (Swannee) who was a civil rights activist,athlete,actor,scholar, popular singer and communist. Honoured by the UN-The United Nations Special Committee against Apartheid held a special meeting on his 80th birthday to pay tribute to him.

Paul Robeson was born April 9, 1898 in Princeton, New Jersy. He was the son of a former slave turned preacher, Paul attended Rutgers University in New Brunswick, N.J., where he was an All-America football player. Paul obtained his law degree in 1923, but, because of the lack of opportunity for blacks in the legal profession, he drifted to the stage, making his London debut in 1922.

In 1950 the U.S. State Department withdrew his passport because he refused to sign an affidavit disclaiming membership in the Communist Party.

Son of a slave, an american idol, a lawyer who could not practise law on the basis of the colour of his skin, a man who turned this bigotry into a career opportunity - eventually honoured by the nations of the world.
US action-> condemn him as a state enemy because he believe that everyone was equal under Communism (which they clearly were not under US law)!!!

I hate the way the American Army bombs everything in site kills 50 civilians injuries hundruds and claims it was a succesful run.

As to the Ants: lets not dwell on this one. Bottom line: (for the sake of arguement I'll take your word for this) We both have the potential to drastically quell our own numbers, so we one would be hard-pressed to say we are any more or less a species than they are

Well Biff, at the risk of sounding rude, can you please provide a source as I have to back up your arg?

Israel: arming Israel all it likes.....<shivers>....Sharon with nukes, god help us all (that's coming from an agnostic/atheist). It's sad, we seemed to be making so much progress with that little situation during the ninties. Now I look at the situation, consider all that I have seen about it and think "......w....what the fuck happened!" :rolleyes:. I'd say the only way to end that conflict would be to start cutting back that fellatious US backing of Israel, thus probably forcing them to come to the negotiating table (for real this time), and hopefully getting back to where we were ten years ago (at the very least, it was still nasty of course, but its gotten progressively worse). Still, this is what I hope would happen, but I am not so nieve to think that the Jewish lobby in the US would even begin to see that happen (hah! Fat chance)

Back to the topic: US (www.ifamericansknew.org) support of Israel would have to be one of my own, and indeed one of many people around the world's main reasons for disliking the current government and those like it.

Actually...Israel has had nukes for many....many years.

The underdog beeing Israel? Bwahahaha..

Well...they have MANY enemies in the world...ALL of Europe included...so yes, I would say they are. For the record I am not Jewish...I am a native American and really an agnostic.

I hate the way the American Army bombs everything in site kills 50 civilians injuries hundruds and claims it was a succesful run.

As opposed to WWII where only 10% of the bombs dropped hit the target....causing numerous runs to be made.

Well...they have MANY enemies in the world...ALL of Europe included...so yes, I would say they are. For the record I am not Jewish...I am a native American and really an agnostic.
All of Europe is Isreals enemy huh? How so? Cause they dare to have another opinion on matters? Geez you realy are dumb.

Opps, forgot about that.

I meant to say: large amounts of chemical/bio weapons, and anything resembling an excuse to use them.

I think what Gorgonzolla was implying was that the innocents who died as a result of the raid have little/no impact as to whether it was 'successful' or not

All of Europe is Isreals enemy huh? How so? Cause they dare to have another opinion on matters? Geez you realy are dumb.

No, because of the rampant anti-semitism there. Have you not seen the news lateyl? Jews from all over Europe are being forced to leave...where are they going? Israel.

Europe can complain all they want about the US, but I have YET to see any group flee the US en mass because of intolerance.

Opps, forgot about that.

I meant to say: large amounts of chemical/bio weapons, and anything resembling an excuse to use them.

I think what Gorgonzolla was implying was that the innocents who died as a result of the raid have little/no impact as to whether it was 'successful' or not

They may well have chemical/bio weapons....we just don't know.

As for an excuse...I don't think they need one myself.

No, because of the rampany anti-semitism there. have you not seen the news lateyl? Jews from all over Europe are being forced to leave...where are they going? Israel.
I haven't seen any Jewish masses catching the next boat to Israel. Let alone beeing forced out. And since I live in Europe that would be something hard to miss. You realy are an idiot.

I haven't seen any Jewish masses catching the next boat to Israel. Let alone beeing forced out. And since I live in Europe that would be something hard to miss. You realy are an idiot.

Educate yourself....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5540227/

[QUOTE=Biff Pileon] Maybe, but when was the last time you heard of a Jew blowing himself up to kill Arabs? [QUOTE]
Why do they need to when America gives them such great toys as Helicopter gunships, which are used to control the Palestinans by creating a aurora of fear (or terror if u will.) And since Terrorism is "The use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons." Doesn't that sound like what Israel do.
And don't you DARE say that they are defending themselves against suicide bombers. Suicide Bombing is the last stand of a populus back against a wall with a bombs going off all around them. Okay they kill innocent civilians, but they are retailiating against the murder of their own people by the tyrannical Sharon and his Zionist Cabinet. (In fact even though Sharon is quite morally retarded his cabinet are far worse.)
And DO NOT use the Holocaust as an excuse. That is not a valid reason for occupying a country and oppressing an entire race of people.
So if u had a choice, would you:
A. Use a big Fucking Tank and stay safe.
B. Blow yourself to bits in hope of bringing in internation intervention.
Of course your gonna use the tanks. But the Palestinians don't have tanks. So there only form of attack is through Martyrdom.
Tex
P.s. i am NOT Anti-Jew, i am Anti-Zionist. Get that straight!

Educate yourself....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5540227/
And where does it say that Jews are forced out? Hmmm? Or Jews from all over Europe? Do 105 Jews from France are Jews from all over Europe? All your source shows Israels anti Europeanism(France mostly). Talk about educating yourself. Give it a shot and learn to read.:rolleyes:

America rewrote the U-571 story so they looked like they were the heroes when actually it was us Brits who captured the enigma code! glory hoggin b**stards

America rewrote the U-571 story so they looked like they were the heroes when actually it was us Brits who captured the enigma code! glory hoggin b**stards
You captured the machine. Not the code.

[QUOTE=Biff Pileon]Maybe, but when was the last time you heard of a Jew blowing himself up to kill Arabs? QUOTE]
Why do they need to when America gives them such great toys as Helicopter gunships, which are used to control the Palestinans by creating a aurora of fear (or terror if u will.) And since Terrorism is "The use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons." Doesn't that sound like what Israel do.
And don't you DARE say that they are defending themselves against suicide bombers. Suicide Bombing is the last stand of a populus back against a wall with a bombs going off all around them. Okay they kill innocent civilians, but they are retailiating against the murder of their own people by the tyrannical Sharon and his Zionist Cabinet. (In fact even though Sharon is quite morally retarded his cabinet are far worse.)
And DO NOT use the Holocaust as an excuse. That is not a valid reason for occupying a country and oppressing an entire race of people.
So if u had a choice, would you:
A. Use a big Fucking Tank and stay safe.
B. Blow yourself to bits in hope of bringing in internation intervention.
Of course your gonna use the tanks. But the Palestinians don't have tanks. So there only form of attack is through Martyrdom.
Tex
P.s. i am NOT Anti-Jew, i am Anti-Zionist. Get that straight!

Since Israel does not go outside of it's own borders unless provoked I would say your argument is flawed....

Since Israel does not go outside of it's own borders unless provoked I would say your argument is flawed....
Then how where they provoced into going into Lebanon?

America rewrote the U-571 story so they looked like they were the heroes when actually it was us Brits who captured the enigma code! glory hoggin b**stards

Movies are just that....movies. They are fiction. I also saw a man who could fly in a movie once.

And where does it say that Jews are forced out? Hmmm? Or Jews from all over Europe? Do 105 Jews from France are Jews from all over Europe? All your source shows Israels anti Europeanism(France mostly). Talk about educating yourself. Give it a shot and learn to read.:rolleyes:

Yes, they are leaving other countries as well. The majority are leaving from France, but anti-semitism is everywhere in Europe as if that is a surprise.

The number ONE reason the US ia as strong as it is today is because of people being forced out of Europe because of their beliefs.

Who created the nuclear weapons we have today? Jewish scientists that were driven out of Europe. Thats one thing about you Europeans...you run the best and brightest off and are left with what you have now. Fractured societies made up of the genetic material left over after two world wars destroyed the cream of European society.

You captured the machine. Not the code.

The reason it was so important was that both the machine and the code books were captured.

Then how where they provoced into going into Lebanon?


The PLO attacked them from Lebanon in 1982. They ran Arafat and his PLO all the way to Beirut where they later fled to Tunisia.

Yes, they are leaving other countries as well. The majority are leaving from France, but anti-semitism is everywhere in Europe as if that is a surprise.

The number ONE reason the US ia as strong as it is today is because of people being forced out of Europe because of their beliefs.

Who created the nuclear weapons we have today? Jewish scientists that were driven out of Europe. Thats one thing about you Europeans...you run the best and brightest off and are left with what you have now. Fractured societies made up of the genetic material left over after two world wars destroyed the cream of European society.
You know. I used to think you were pretty smart. But all you did here was convince me of the opposite. Cause I still haven't seen any proof of yours to back up your outrages claim that Jews are beeing forced out of Europe. And then that rant at the end, what are you smoking? I want some.

You know. I used to think you were pretty smart. But all you did here was convince me of the opposite. Cause I still haven't seen any proof of yours to back up your outrages claim that Jews are beeing forced out of Europe. And then that rant at the end, what are you smoking? I want some.

Ok, forced is probably the wrong word. But they are leaving. I will see if I can find the link to the CBS story that had the other night on the news about the different countries that the Jews are fleeing from.

Why are they leaving? Anti-Semitic attacks by the large Arab populations in Europe.

When I say 'American' I refer to the USA...

The American government: They are selfish. They have absolutely no regard for anyone else whatsoever. They will do anything to improve America's economy and make themselves rich, and to stay in power. They bully other nations into doing their bidding and exploit them. They are short-sighted and narrow-minded, not caring about the environment as long as businesses don't have to spend more money on cleaning up their waste.
They are hypocrites - calling other countries with WMDs a menace to the rest of the world, when in fact it is America who has the most weapons and it is also America who everyone else is afraid of.

American people: I don't have a problem with Americans themselves, but I do have a problem with the patriots who think that America is great and better than everyone else - especially those who believe the lie that America stands for freedom and equality. They may not admit it, but a lot of Americans are racist, nationalist bigots (yes, I do see the irony of this statement). They have over-inflated egos and make a huge deal of anything that happens to them while disregarding incidents elsewhere in the world.
The worst thing is when some Americans criticise others, while having no idea what they are talking about. I'm sure these few people aren't representative of all Americans, but they do stand out. People hate Bill Gates for being selfish, while he is a major contributor to charities. People criticise Islam for being a hateful, intolerant religion when they haven't even studied it - hell, people love to use the word 'Jihad' completely out of context. A lot of Americans seem to be incapable of seeing through blatant lies - they believe whatever they hear, and without confirming it spread it to other people. It's like they want to believe outrageous 'facts'.
Yes, I do realise that I've generalised a lot here, and some idiot is sure to take what I've said the wrong way, but these are some of the reasons that people hate America. A lot of these problems aren't limited to just America either.
This isn't quite a problem, but it is funny how many Americans there are that can list all of their states, but have no grasp of geography outside their own country.

You know. I used to think you were pretty smart. But all you did here was convince me of the opposite. Cause I still haven't seen any proof of yours to back up your outrages claim that Jews are beeing forced out of Europe. And then that rant at the end, what are you smoking? I want some.

Found it....video clip on this page.

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=jews&sp-k=&sp-a=sp1001c63c&sp-p=all&sp-f=ISO-8859-1&sp-s=doc_date

There are 2 levels of America to consider:

1) Politics:

USA (America is only a continent) are too egocentrical. After 2 century of isolationism, they arrived on World scene. For about 50 years, the USSR can compete with them, and the world have a relative peace period. Now, who could be the USA enemy? Remember, politics is son of econimics and economics want wars. So, the problem is to have a new enemy to compact the society. Then, Saddam had been the new USA enemy.

An with no USSR, Europe become more important: German unification (and the creation of a new german power) is the symbol. Then, EU is a problem for USA: it could be a new politics leader.

What about UN? If I remember correctly, USA refuse to follows Blix reports. And all european trust on him. If I remember USA searched mass destruction weapon on Iraq, but seems that noone are here...

"We fight for freedom", sais the song. Liberties are the flag of USA, but I thinkt that Guantanamo is not a good example of USA spritit, or no?

The capital punishment. It's horrible staying where I can be kill for a wrong process. Capital punishment is the most bad thing on USA.


2) Culture: USA culture is son of Puritanism: the moralism is the most important face of the society. And also religion is more important: "In God we trust", remember. If an European leader sais "God bless xx", the entire citizens dont like it. The reason is the French revolution: free church on free state; only secular state could be on Europe (a luck!). And this is why we european don't like the idea that someone represents all the Christianity: a country is not a religion.

The war. Because the only war on USA was the Secession one, Americans think that war is a solution for problem. Europe had have millions of death on WW, so we refuse to use war.

No, because of the rampant anti-semitism there. Have you not seen the news lateyl? Jews from all over Europe are being forced to leave...where are they going? Israel.

Europe can complain all they want about the US, but I have YET to see any group flee the US en mass because of intolerance.

What news? In what countries are you refering too?

What news? In what countries are you refering too?

Video clip....maybe the news organizations in Europe did not want to cover this story.

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=jews&sp-k=&sp-a=sp1001c63c&sp-p=all&sp-f=ISO-8859-1&sp-s=doc_date

2 things that have always REALLY pissed me of about the US.

1. I don't see how they have contributed to the world culturally or scientifically.

2. In a country that believes in equality and such. When was there ever a president that was not white/male/christian? You would think that by now at least a women? or maybe half-cast?

Well...you guys watch the news piece and then discuss. I am off to the beach to do some surfing. Tomorrow is scuba diving...America is a wonderful country and everyone should visit here and enjoy its charms. ;)

Biff Christ stop using the sources from your Zionist media. They are not leaving in droves, in fact in the last 3 years migration to Israel has FELL by 50 %. This is from their own statistics, not some out of context crap taken from a pro-Israel media outlet. This new apparent spat of mass migration is just propoganda by the pro-israeli media into making the jews of the world leave there own country. They rely on these migrators to keep their economy running smooth (even though the US will bail them out if the fuck it up.) because of the money they are bringing into the economy.
Judaism is a religion, not a race am i correct. So why does Israel belong to the Jews? Thats bullshit. England belongs to the English. America belongs to the Americans. Palestine belongs to the Palestinians. Its simple logic. You said before how can Israel not be a recognised nation but be in the UN. If i'm not mistaken North Korea has a seat in the UN. And only China recognise them as a country.
Anyway if America want to win the world over all you have to do is defeat Terrorism. Just bring true democracy to Saudi Arabia and Palestine. Then all of us Jonny Foreigners (maybe not the French, they don't like anyone.) will like you.
Also i like how u gave into one of Osama Bin Laden's demands by pulling your troops out of Saudi Arabia (i think they are pulling out, i'm sure some are still there.) Who said they didn't negotiate with terrorists???

When I say 'American' I refer to the USA...

The American government: They are selfish. They have absolutely no regard for anyone else whatsoever.

American people: I don't have a problem with Americans themselves, but I do have a problem with the patriots who think that America is great and better than everyone else - especially those who believe the lie that America stands for freedom and equality. .

Er...hang on people elect a govenrment to represent THEM not anyone else and as the UN etc; have no exective power how is a state to act if not selfishly? I think the French where pretty selfish when they sent troops to protect the commiters of genocide when they fled into Zaire/Congo from Rwanda, I think Greece's attitdue to Turkish EU membership is pretty selfish, Spanish on fishing rights (see where I'm going._ When it comes down to it all states are selfish. The rest is pompous posturing by the governments concerned to appeal to their liberal consitunencies. We notice it more with America because there the hegomonic power and having global reach are in everybodies face.

(My pet hate of UK foriegn policy is that we're not selfish enough becuase of a slavish special relationship obcessed culture in our political class.)

Second part - I see your point - mind you the US IS a considerably freer state than much of the world. Though not a more equal one. And I see nothing wrong with patriotisim - pride in one's nation - it's only when it comes Nationalism - the denogation of other nations I see a problem.

Video clip....maybe the news organizations in Europe did not want to cover this story.

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=jews&sp-k=&sp-a=sp1001c63c&sp-p=all&sp-f=ISO-8859-1&sp-s=doc_date

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France is widely viewed in Israel as biased in favor of the Palestinians. The French Jewish community — at 600,000 the third-largest in the world — tends to be strongly pro-Israel, creating friction with a Muslim population of almost 5 million.

I wonder why there having problems. Not the same in the UK. No jews here that I know of. Only some english that happen to be jewish.

Ok, I'll say this. I don't hate the USA. Your citizens are some of the friendliest, and welcoming people I have ever met. Even if a lot of them did say 'Have A Nice Day Now' but what matter. Sure, you might go a bit over-the-top with patriotism from time to time, but after the 11th September, who can blame you? I think that what America has to remember is it's roots. British, Spanish, French, German, most nations of Europe have helped you guys to become who you are today. If it wasn't for us British being gits, then you guys wouldn't have fought a War Of Independence and won it. The problem that many people see is that America seems to distance itself from everyone else. Think of the isolationism policies of the first half of the 1900's until 1941. When Europe needed a country who had European roots, where was it in 1914, in 1939. And then, after you helped us win these wars, we suddenly find Hollywood taking all the credit. Think of the film (U-961 I think, but feel free to correct) where an American submarine gets the Enigma machine. Now, I'm sure some of you will know this, but there are some of you who have been blinded by Hollywood, so this may come as a shock. I do hope you're sitting down. America did not capture the Enigma machine. British sailors did. I know nothing will happen, but I really think that Hollywood (which most people think IS America, which it actually isn't (duh)), needs to buck up its act and start telling history how it is.

A quote from your page

I wonder why there having problems. Not the same in the UK. No jews here that I know of. Only some english that happen to be jewish.


Er...not my experience - the only large Jewish centers in the UK are Manchester, Leeds and London. I did an international relations course in Leeds and their where a lot of British (mainly North London) Jews on that course.

The question of 'what's your nationality' was one of the first things we where asked in a tutorial..I was 'Scouse British' but there where a very mixed bag of answers from the jews which included secular, liberal and orthodox, zionist and anti-zionist etc; Answers varied from 'English', 'English Jewish', 'Jewish', 'British Jewish', 'European', 'Israeli with a British passport(!)' even 'Welsh Jewish' (Gareths never lived in Wales but his Lithuanian Grandad ended up living in Wales after fighting in the Free Czech Army after WW2 - so he supports their Rugby team...)

It's complicated being British anyway with the 'four nations in one nation concept' (well at least four if you start including Cathoic Northern Irish or new entrant hybrid nationalisities it gets even more complicated,) if you add a further race/religous identity on top of that there a thousand and one answer.

I know plenty of UK Jews who have gone to live in Israel and plenty more who are glad it's there in case they ever need safe haven.

Please as remeber theres plenty of (Orthodox) Jews who object to Israel on relgious grounds. Though for practical reasons they may be glad it's there.