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After seeing the bad poll for the other thread like this, and hearing the complaints that the poll was racist/bias, I decided to make a WORLD RELIGIONS poll instead of a poll that asks what kind of Christian you are.

I don't have a label, but, I do not believe in God, I believe in a spiritual world and reincarnation; I believe in human rights and that we can make the world better by letting people be free from oppression and persecution, and by helping our fellow man.

I'm sorry if I lumped some religions together, but I wanted to list as many as possible so that no one is marginalized.

I like how Jolt shows the thread before it shows the poll.

Still a member of the Religious Society of Friends.

I like how Jolt shows the thread before it shows the poll.

Heh, me too. :p I've never seen another board that does it. In any case, I'm atheist. I'll vote for that when the poll is up.

I like how Jolt shows the thread before it shows the poll.
I know. It sucks, but now the poll is up and now, with more options!

Lapsed Catholic,

But now a Gnostic Dualist.

Lapsed Catholic,

But now a Gnostic Dualist.
Lapsed Catholic? Interesting.

And what is a Gnostic Dualist? It sounds interesting.

Lapsed Catholic? Interesting.

Well, Baptised and Confirmed, so technically I cannot leave unless I am ex-communicated.

But i still identify with Catholicism since I was bought up in the faith and all my family and most of my friends are Catholics.

And what is a Gnostic Dualist? It sounds interesting.

Belief in two forces in the universe, and that it is possible to 'experience' them. This is the best short explaination I can give.

Again, Pagan.

Belief in two forces in the universe, and that it is possible to 'experience' them. This is the best short explaination I can give.
That make sense and sounds nifty! :D

Why do you insist on calling them the nickname Mormons? How bias can you get!
Also what is with the grouping of Mormon and Jehovah's?

Why do you insist on calling them the nickname Mormons? How bias can you get!
Because they are Mormons. Freaking get over it.

That make sense and sounds nifty! :D
Kinda grew out of my History geekiness, studying the old religions. Although I don't believe some of the wackier teachings, like meat is bad because it is produced by sex.

I have been told that my belief is a bit like Satanism, but not knowing any Satanists I couldn't say.

So like everyone... lumping agnostics and atheists together... Why not lump agnostics with Catholicism then? It would have been better to put it in the other category rather than dump it in with the atheists.

And I'm agnostic by the way. The most logical choice.

Why do you insist on calling them the nickname Mormons? How bias can you get!
Also what is with the grouping of Mormon and Jehovah's?
I grouped them so I would have a slot for other groups. I didn't want anyone to be left out. And stop whining because I could have excluded Latter Day Saints and shove them under other and make a slot for some obsecure religion... *smirk* maybe I should and I'll put Aleut/Inuit/Eskimo... hey! good idea! And I'll add Amish, since they also have the right to be heard and Mennonite.

But, seriously, I didn't know how much space I had and I wanted to make sure that many groups were represented.

Because they are Mormons. Freaking get over it.
So can I call Catholics in a poll Molestors? THat is a nickname...um how about Islam Bombers because a couple did.
Its disrespect, get over yourself.

Bastard Sword-

Suck it up. I've never heard anyone else complain about "Mormon." It's not disrespectful. Demanding to be called a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is... well, stupid. Don't flame because he used one word instead of 11.

you don't hear the Jews bitching that they'd rather be identified in Hebrew, do you?

no.

shut up.

"Jewish" isn't a religion ... :p

Bastard Sword-

Suck it up. I've never heard anyone else complain about "Mormon." It's not disrespectful. Demanding to be called a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is... well, stupid. Don't flame because he used one word instead of 11.

you don't hear the Jews bitching that they'd rather be identified in Hebrew, do you?

no.

shut up.

Jews are jews unless they aren't from Judah, almost every jew you meet comes from the tribe of Judah so yes they are jews.

Agnostic:
"Nothing right now thanks, check back with me when I'm dead."

I like to dabble in witch craft and pagan rituals from time to time.

Its disrespect, get over yourself.
Sorry that I have no respect for one of the most obnoxious, controlling, and downright insane religions I've encountered.

I like to dabble in witch craft and pagan rituals from time to time.
Really? Like what? Do you ever change anything or is it just to have fun?

Agnostic:
"Nothing right now thanks, check back with me when I'm dead."
Atheist: "There is no God."
"Prove it"
Atheist: "I can disprove any theist's arguement!"
"How?"
Atheist: "The theist has no proof"

Theist: "There is a God."
"Prove it"
theist: "I can disprove any atheist's arguement!"
"How?"
Theist: "The atheist has no proof"

Really? Like what? Do you ever change anything or is it just to have fun?
Nothing much has happened so far. I don't realy invest the time I should into it.

"Jewish" isn't a religion ... :p
Neither is Muslim...

Nothing much has happened so far. I don't realy invest the time I should into it.
Hmm, sounds kind of interesting.. Where are you from?

Hmm, sounds kind of interesting.. Where are you from?
The Netherlands. Why?

The Religio Romana

So can I call Catholics in a poll Molestors? THat is a nickname...um how about Islam Bombers because a couple did.
Its disrespect, get over yourself.
Riiight, so because someone insults you, it gives you carte blanche to insult whole other groups?

Just as Jewish as last time...

The Netherlands. Why?
Just curious. I've never been there.

for the purposes of this poll i am an atheist catholic (see? they shoulda been lumped together!) although i do sometimes prefer to call myself a catholic atheist

uh

if MORMON is such an offensive term why does the church of jesus christ of latter day saints have an official website at www.mormon.org which includes a section on "mormon life"?

Agnostic when it comes to creation and God (add that to the fact that I just don't care). Curious when it comes to spirituality.

I'm very interested in Pagan magic practices in general as well as experimenting in communicating with spiritual beings, if there are any. Even curious about bible-based magic practices although you wont see me practisting it.

I run two Pagan covens, myself, but I am Jewish ... guess that makes me a Jewitch ... but that's not on your poll.

I run two Pagan covens, myself, but I am Jewish ... guess that makes me a Jewitch ... but that's not on your poll.
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And so scary...

It consists of a black and white photograph.

Go to theatres... pay nine dollars for the ticket...

And discover...

The Jewitch Project...

This film is not yet rated.

Why are different Christan groups(Protestant Christian/Catholic/Penecostal/Evangilist/etc.) still seperated, rather than lumped under "christanity"? Why are Atheists(who don't belive in god. Period.) & Agnostics(who don't know if god exists or not, and beleive that its impossible to prove either way) lumped together? Why are Buddhist/Taoist/Confuscious(?) lumped together? In fact, since when is Confuscious a religion(I've never heard of it ANYWHERE before...)? Anyway, I've copied, pasted, and made some amendments to my reasons for being atheist from the other thread:

-There is no evidence that god exists, and it doesn't seem very probable that he/she/it could.
-Religion tends to breed intolerance, not only towards other religions, but towards groups such as homosexuals & minority racial groups(no matter how much love they claim to have for their fellow humans)
-You know what we now call roman/egyptian/greek/whatever myths now? Those used to be religion. Logically, then, modern-day religion is also myth.
-Gay marriage debate. Religious people not wanting gays to have that right because "god thinks its wrong". And similar things.
-Religion/religous people tend(s) to supress knowledge of things that conflict with the beliefs it holds.
-I have better uses of my time than going to church once a week, praying, & stuff like that.
-Whenever people bring religion into an issue, they seem to ignore FACT. Which leaves them with bad arguments that are more like "I said/my religon says this so it's RIGHT". Just look at threads here involving gay marrige, evolution, etc.
-Why would a god create beings which would doubt her/his/its existance?
-I don't need religion to tell me what's right and wrong. A combination of my own morals & the law tells me that.
-Many things about religion defy all science. People being suddenly healed of things such as blindness & muteness through some holy force? Rivers suddenly becoming blood? Gimme a break.
-Religion has caused quite a bit of suffering. Wars? Yup. Discrimination aginst blacks and other minorites? Yep(even into the present day, KKK anyone?). Discrimination against women? Yup. Excecutions of people who make discoveries that go against the religion's beliefs? Yep. More things that I can't remember at the moment? Probably. Who'd want to be associated with somthing like that?

From the makers of the Blair Witch Project...

Comes a tale so real...

And so scary...

It consists of a black and white photograph.

Go to theatres... pay nine dollars for the ticket...

And discover...

The Jewitch Project...

This film is not yet rated.


LMAO.

It consists of a black and white photograph.

Go to theatres... pay nine dollars for the ticket...

And discover...

The Jewitch Project...

This film is not yet rated.

:D

Oh we have a color photograph now!

Neither is Muslim...
I realize this... but i hit a mental block when trying to remember the proper names, which I know are Islam and Judiasm... I just wrote something so that no group would be excluded.

Kasaru: Confuscious is a philosophy by the person of that name from China.

Kasaru: Confuscious is a philosophy by the person of that name from China.
:D I wish there was a button to let me correct this poll.

I find it strange that you would group Mormon and Jehova's Witness together. Apparently you are ignorant of both.

I find it strange that you would group Mormon and Jehova's Witness together. Apparently you are ignorant of both.
No, I didn't do it because of ignonace, I did it so that I could make as many options available as I could. I could have just said fuck and and lumped them in with the rest of the Prostestant Christians, but then you'd still complain, and I didn't want to leave anyone else out. So, this was only to be fair to as many people as I could.

Im the forum Zoroastrian... I bet no one else here is.

Anyway you forgot Hinduism.

geez there are only so many spots available on the poll
he HAD to lump some together
he did the best he could

GET OVER IT

you have a chance to clarify yourself by posting a clarification.

your choice isnt going to go on your permanent record

Im the forum Zoroastrian... I bet no one else here is.

Anyway you forgot Hinduism.
:( waaahh!! I knew I forgot a group!

To everyone on the forum who is Hindu, Janist, or Sikhist, sorry! I didn't mean to leave you off the list!!

hey, add the option "none"
a large group of people does not belong to any, so do i. Was Catholic Christ, but i wrote a letter to them that i quit with that.

hey, add the option "none"
a large group of people does not belong to any, so do i. Was Catholic Christ, but i wrote a letter to them that i quit with that.
None can fall under other; it works.

And, I'd add the option and a few others, except this forum is evil and it won't let me edit the poll.

I don't believe in any religion simply because I haven't been running in to anything that have made me start to believe. That makes me an atheist, doesn't it?

Anyway, was Baptised and Confirmed in to the swedish protestantic church. but that doesn't really mean anything.

I'm currently non-theistic. That's not the same as Atheistic, since I personally have no problem with religion. It's just that none of them really seem convincing enough to side with. And, curiously, the only religion I'm considering getting more involved in is Buddhism, which is also in its core form non-theistic (from what I can gather).

Catholicism should not be lumped with Evangelical or another Protestant sect. There already was a choice on there for Protestants, so they should not have another choice in with Catholicism. Catholicism is the largest religion in the world (over 1 billion people), but it makes up hardly any of the people in this poll. It's unbelievable that 40% of the people are atheist.

Im the forum Zoroastrian... I bet no one else here is.

Anyway you forgot Hinduism.
Maybe I'll convert... The name sounds impressive.

It'll be great to say that in conversations...

"Oh you're a Catholic? Really? Well I'm Zoroastrian."

people voted for silly things like druid. why would you even make that an option? you also lacked 2 of the 5 major religions. hinduism and shiekism. try harder next time.

Maybe I'll convert... The name sounds impressive.

It'll be great to say that in conversations...

"Oh you're a Catholic? Really? Well I'm Zoroastrian."

It would at least be good for a dinner invite. :)

Zoroastrianism is an old religion that believes in two forces of i don't know what..

And just to be picky ;) nihilism is left out... I'd be nihilist except for the fact that i believe in myself. in an effort not to have a debate with some of the retards on the forum *cough* generic *cough* i'll not complain about you having separate christian options though it would free up space to make the poll more comprehensive

Hey what about that philosophy/religion where you believe that everything besides you is something you imagined... Damn I forgot what thats called... It's more of a philosophy I guess... But if someone itruly believes it... it would be difficult to believe in anything else besides atheism.

I believe that one to be called the matrix. and it has you.

I believe that one to be called the matrix. and it has you.
No... it existed before the matrix movie idea... it's auto something...

wow, this is a pretty good poll. very interesting results...and very nice to see that common sense is currently winning out over superstition.

people voted for silly things like druid. why would you even make that an option?

Why not? What's so silly about it?

you also lacked 2 of the 5 major religions. hinduism and shiekism. try harder next time.

Do you mean "Sikhism"?

Catholicism is the largest religion in the world (over 1 billion people), but it makes up hardly any of the people in this poll.

Islam has over 1 billion people, too. So what?

It's unbelievable that 40% of the people are atheist.

Why?

people voted for silly things like druid.

What's so silly about Druids?

Druid Coven (http://www.coven-of-cythrawl.com/)

Order of Bards, Ovates, and Druids (http://www.druidry.org/)

Another Druid Coven (http://www.summerwolf.com/)

I mean ... there are plenty of Druids in the world ... it's a legitamite religion.

At least Jedi wasn't on the poll. :rolleyes:

Catholic/Penecostal/Evangilist

interesting combination of non alike christians...

At least Jedi wasn't on the poll. :rolleyes:

Perhaps it should be...

http://www.jedichurch.com/

Perhaps it should be...

http://www.jedichurch.com/

They must've used that old mind trick again ...

I'm a Baha'i!

I realize this... but i hit a mental block when trying to remember the proper names, which I know are Islam and Judiasm... I just wrote something so that no group would be excluded.
To be very evil I must say the following...

Neither is Confuscious.

people voted for silly things like druid. why would you even make that an option?

yeah, druids are silly, but a religion with a ritual of cannibalizing the corpse of God's half-human son who's been dead for 2000 years is perfectly rational.

Originally Posted by The Parthians
Im the forum Zoroastrian... I bet no one else here is

I got a few of my ideas from them (you?), but apparently you can only be Zoroastrian if you are Parsii (sp?).

I find it strange that you would group Mormon and Jehova's Witness together. Apparently you are ignorant of both.
he also lumped atheism and agnosticism, which are utterly incompatible "religious" beliefs, but i think we should appreciate the limitations of the format rather than being rude, don't you?

Catholicism should not be lumped with Evangelical or another Protestant sect. There already was a choice on there for Protestants, so they should not have another choice in with Catholicism. Catholicism is the largest religion in the world (over 1 billion people), but it makes up hardly any of the people in this poll. It's unbelievable that 40% of the people are atheist.

actually, it makes perfect sense. education and religiosity are negatively correlated, so the type of people with access and inclination to forums like this are more likely to be non-religious than the average.

At least Jedi wasn't on the poll. :rolleyes:
I would sooner put a bullet through my head then include THAT

I used to consider myself Wiccan, but I just didn't have that impetus to stick with it, and in any case my beliefs are much more broad and ambiguous than Wicca really encompasses. So I'm back to "I dunno", only in a more enlightened sense and with the benefit of my newfound love of Pagan ritual. I would now call myself a Pagan-oriented spiritual agnostic. I think there are spiritual forces in the world but they are probably not conscious "gods", and while I love the Pagan rituals, I ascribe a different, self-derived meaning to them.

At the risk of turning into one of the whiny guys on here that are saying "WHAT?! How could you leave out ubahukastokavism!?!" im going to say this, why didnt you add in Darwinism? or at least lump it with atheist...


*gets HaX to add "Darwinism" in with atheist*

oh...you did...i am so sorry...

heh heh heh...

he also lumped atheism and agnosticism, which are utterly incompatible "religious" beliefs, but i think we should appreciate the limitations of the format rather than being rude, don't you?
Actually, agnosticism is orthogonal to atheism and theism.

At the risk of turning into one of the whiny guys on here that are saying "WHAT?! How could you leave out ubahukastokavism!?!" im going to say this, why didnt you add in Darwinism? or at least lump it with atheist...


*gets HaX to add "Darwinism" in with atheist*

oh...you did...i am so sorry...

heh heh heh...
because Darwinism is a belief that people of many religions subscribe to. there are Christians who believe in Darwinism, just as there are agnostics, atheists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, and many other who do. that's like saying that Capitalism should be on the poll, frankly.

Unitarian.

Why put atheist and agnostic together? They aren't the same, buddy.

Why put atheist and agnostic together? They aren't the same, buddy.
read earlier in the thread: it was a matter of limited space for options.

I got a few of my ideas from them (you?), but apparently you can only be Zoroastrian if you are Parsii (sp?).

You have to be born into it. And no not only Parsis are Zoroastrians, I'm Persian and Zoroastrian...

read earlier in the thread: it was a matter of limited space for options.
Thank you! At least SOMEONE read the thread. ;)

Catholic

Just a Christian.

I'm buddist. Well atleast that's the religion I'm closest to... I have no real commitment to it, I just feel it's one of the only religions which doesn't breed hate.

I don't like how atheism and agnosticism are grouped together. One assumes/find likely/is unsure of the existence of a god, the other affirms that there are no deities.

I'm Other.

I have a personal religion that some might call Pagan, some might call Athiest, some might call Agnostic, or Dualist. But I don't really regard any of them as being the same as what I believe.
I do not believe in the existance of any god or goddess. However, I do believe that there are both angels and demons. I have come to this belief after much observation of the world and the major religions.

Oh, and you also forgot the other main branches of Christianity - Orthodoxy, Coptic and Armenian. Significantly different to the other types of christianity. But I will accept the excuse that there wasn't enough room on the poll. Just keep this in mind for any future poll.

No... it existed before the matrix movie idea... it's auto something...

It's similair to solipsism, the mastabatory and completely useless belief that you might be asleep and dreaming all of this, since that can't be absolutely disproven.

http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/s/solipsis.htm

Also, the Matrix violates the laws of thermodynamics, so we can't possibly be in it.

infinite diversity
infinite possibility
zero infallability

the pretense of duality is just a lame excuse for prejudice

and some things do happen more often
when other things happen first

bennifit is bannifit, harm is harm
speculation as to the nature and origen of the nontangable
begins in speculation and ends in speculation

doesn't mean anything can't exist
just means people who think they know
are deceiving themselves

=^^=
.../\...

infinite diversity
infinite possibility
zero infallability

the pretense of duality is just a lame excuse for prejudice
Against whom?

So like everyone... lumping agnostics and atheists together... Why not lump agnostics with Catholicism then? It would have been better to put it in the other category rather than dump it in with the atheists.

And I'm agnostic by the way. The most logical choice.


I agree up to the point of rather being called Catholic... since I am agnostic too and therefore not an atheist, nor catholic, nor muslim, nor pagan, nor anything else of that matter !

What a big big big mistake of putting those two together.
Please correct that quickly if still possible.

read earlier in the thread: it was a matter of limited space for options.


Sorry, didn't see that, but still... Too bad ! Better left it off the list of options then then to make mistakes like that.

I'm currently in-between religions right now while I hop onto the next religious fervor phase... see you at the Christian Scientist Church! ;)

Just kidding, all, I'm Agnostic... for now.

How on EARTH do you lump Catholics and Pentacostals?

Gnostic here... neo-Arianite for the most part. Also somewhat inclined towards the Tao te Ching of Lao Tzu.

I am agnostic
I already know why you put atheist and agnostic together.
However I want to complain anyway...
so everyone, just stop reading this now
my post is essentially over

So why'd you put atheist and agnostic together rather than lumping all the christians together? Catholics really have more in common with protestants than atheists do with agnostics. I mean...we can't even agree on what is considered by many to be the MOST significant of ideas- whether or not god exists. Atheists don't believe in god, agnostics don't think it can ever be proven either way. Or by the other definitions, agnostics don't hold a belief either way, and atheists believe that there is no god. Either way, they don't coincide very well. At least all Christians can tell you "There is a god" and on that they'll all agree.
More than that, Christians as well as Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god, just...Christianity added one more block to Judaism (Jesus), and then Islam added one more block to Christianty (Muhammad) as did the LDS (Joseph Smith and the book of Mormon)
So why not lump all them together and break up the eastern religions? And where is Hindu? Why'd you leave it off the list?!

Well...I hope no one read that...good call with the other option....always a good call...

Taosim

So how 'bout those mormons?

Also an earlier statement said that www.mormon.org was the official website, but it is actually www.lds.org. They are both good though.

Also did you just put mormons and jehovas witnesses together just because we both have missionaries that come and knock on your door?

Also if you havent already guessed yet, I am a Mormon so if you have any questions e-mail me at my nationstates.

Technically, I am my own religion. At the last election I put down Deity for my occupation and they accepted it. So really you should all be worshiping me.