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Fox just got there post-DNC bounce polls...just now...CNN has had them for a little while...

Ah, the joys of FOX News push-polling.

Hmm... 44% approval...that's a terrible approval rating. Especially considering he was over 70 at one point in time.

i havent seen fox but according to gallup his polls fell 3 percent after the dnc. thats bad. worst convention poll performance since mcgovern. not good. any way u explain it away u certainly cant wish it away. gallup has been doing these polls since the 30's

right now bushs polls suck and kerrys polls suck. the partisans and wild eyed enthusiests can bellow all they want, but nobody is doing very well.

heh...as if polls decide the election...

The 44% I was talking about was Bush's approval rating. That's really shitty. I think that is lower than Clinton's approval rating during the impeachment trials...

both bush and kerry are doing badly poll wise. no convention bounce for kerry, bad p[olls for bush. basicly, bush's approval is low, but kerry isnt doing well anyway. it seems the wild eyed partisans can bellow all they want for either side but neither is really doing anything really well at this point.

bush has more money to spend, a lot more, + his convention. the last republican to do so well coming out of the democrat convention is reagan in 1984.

"the partisans and wild eyed enthusiests can bellow all they want, but nobody is doing very well."

Thanks for posting and reposting that sentence.

If my memory serves me right, the lowest approval rating ever was 37% during the Great Depression (the guy before FDR that I can never remeber his name)

Bush is only 7 points away...

But I also think that George W. Bush's post 9-11 approval was the highest ever...

I think that it will be interesting if he ends up having both the highest and lowest approval ratings...

the lowest approval rating was harry truman when he fired mcarthur in 1951. 23% , also, nixon had 24%b when he resigned

Okay...then Bush is 20 points away. Still, 44% is terrible any way you slice the pie.

like i said, u can spin it all u want. theres no way bush;s approval is going to go down to the low 20'. thats bogus. also, last time the democrat was this close to the republican coming out of his convention was walter mondale in 1984. hmmmm, i think he lost....

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44% sucks, but so does being the oppenant of tha tperson and only running marginaly ahead after a week of exclusive publicity

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like i said, u can spin it all u want. theres no way bush;s approval is going to go down to the low 20'. thats bogus. also, last time the democrat was this close to the republican coming out of his convention was walter mondale in 1984. hmmmm, i think he lost....
Uh...I'm not spinning anything. Bush is 20 points away from the lowest approval rating ever. There is no spin there. I never said he'd go down that low. Bush has a 44% approval rating. That's terrible. No spin. Also, there was a stat somewhere that said that no incumbent has ever been re-elected with the poll results Bush is getting. But like I said, what do polls matter? They don't decide how our electorates vote.

no , i think the most important polls are bush vrs. kerry vrs. nader

like i said, bush has low approval but kerry is only a few points ahead coming out of convention season. this is the worst democrat performance since 1984 in that regard. they are usualy well ahead ( even dukakis was) coming out of a convention.

like i said, bush has low approval but kerry is only a few points ahead coming out of convention season. this is the worst democrat performance since 1984 in that regard. they are usualy well ahead ( even dukakis was) coming out of a convention.
Well, you see, there's been this security alert right after the DNC to nullify the expected bump to Kerry's approval. The homeland security office tells us it's not into politics but I have my doubts. (As most member of the press, it seems.)

the security alert came out two days after the gallup poll was taken.

why on earth would that nullily a democratic bounce? could it be dems are weak on defense? they trust bush more on such matters? idk wat is ur take on that theory? ( if it was true)

i checked out that fnc poll. seems that you are correct. but in bush vrs. kerry vrs nader kerry is doing better than ever AND bush is doing the best he has done since march

why on earth would that nullily a democratic bounce? could it be they are weak on defense? they trust bush more on such matters? idk wat is ur take on that theory? ( if it was true)
I didn't quite got the last sentence but I think you want to explain my reasoning so here it is.

The voters associate Bush with security. Every time the alert level has been moved up, the voting intention for Bush has moved up. Also, Bush's campaign makes sure to mention that Bush is tough on terrorist and is helping secure the homeland (You may have heard the argument: since 9-11 there haven't been an attack on homeland and this prooves that Bush is doing a good job?) and the Republican party is playing the fear card saying stuff like: "Kerry is soft on terrorist. With Kerry in office there will be other attacks." and so on.

I will not try to disproove thoses arguments as it is not the point of this post. Suffice to say that, because of these, the public has associated Bush with security. So, when the alert level is up, more people are scared and want security, which leads them to vote for Bush.

After the DNC, when the democrats were going full steam, and that the undecided were asking themselves if the arguments of Kerry were sound, BAM! another terror scare. The social security, national healthcare, taxes took a back seat in the collective mind of America as people expected a new attack. And the undecided stopped bothering about healthcare and wondered who would protect them. Naturally, the Bush campaign answered their question.

Also, the last 3 alert level increases I heard about were on the heels of a big increase in Kerry's numbers. Coincidence? I stopped believing in thoses a long time ago when it comes to politic.

Plus, why do you think they choose this moment to increase the security level if they had the information in their possesion since mid-june? Does it really takes that long to translate a computer file?

kerry got the weakest bounce since george mcgovern in 1972 and the weakest post convention lead since mondale in 1984. both of them lost to contraversial conservative incumbants.......badly. any way u cut it or reason it its not a good thing for john kerry.

read carefully:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Vote2004/dnc_convention_bounce_040725.html
and
http://www.gallup.com/content/default.aspx?ci=12565