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How has NS changed your political views? I used to be slightly conservative but having been around these forums for a year I've been made liberal and anti-Bush, thanks to the convincing arguments of many debaters here. Though there are many European asshats around here whose intolerance and sickening stereotyping have strengthened my pride in being an American. So now I'm like Pym Fortuyn, except I'm not gay.

NS has made me a somewhat more coherent centrist with anarcho-capitalistic ideals.

I went from a hardline conservative to an anarcho-communist.

I came here a moderate liberal, I think I've become a lot more liberal here.

Nationsates hasn't changed my views on anything, per se, but during my time here, and in part from maturation on my part outside of Nationstates, my views on the world have changed radically and rapidly. Over the course of the last year and a half I have gone from being almost entirely innocent of the world of politics and economics, through many radical positions on the state and future of the world, back around to nearly my starting point, but far better educated and more thoughtfully concieved. Nationstates and the community it provides serve as a catalyst for thinking and developing ones ideas as well as a magnificent sounding board for testing ideas and concepts. Though it is not always perfect, Nationstates has been an invaluable resource for me, and others, I'm sure.

I went from a hardline conservative to an anarcho-communist.
No way! You used to use your brain :D

I came here a strong Conservative, and NS has only reinforced my views. I would like to thank all the liberals here who made fools of themselves for my enjoyment and further education.

Nationsates hasn't changed my views on anything, per se, but during my time here, and in part from maturation on my part outside of Nationstates, my views on the world have changed radically and rapidly. Over the course of the last year and a half I have gone from being almost entirely innocent of the world of politics and economics, through many radical positions on the state and future of the world, back around to nearly my starting point, but far better educated and more thoughtfully concieved. Nationstates and the community it provides serve as a catalyst for thinking and developing ones ideas as well as a magnificent sounding board for testing ideas and concepts. Though it is not always perfect, Nationstates has been an invaluable resource for me, and others, I'm sure.
Amen to that.

It reassured my observation that the Internet nearly = American, and that in the eyes of Europeans, a whole lot of them would be considered extremists.

As for myself, I changed little.

well, i used to think that partial-birth abortions were unnecessary and then someone pointed out that they're done in cases of medical necessity and not electively.

It reassured my observation that the Internet nearly = American, and that in the eyes of Europeans, a whole lot of them would be considered extremists.
Trust me here, that attitude isn't confined to Europeans.

I used to be pure Anarcho-Communist, but i think I have drifted further 'right' since then.

Damn AnCaps.

Like Our Earth, NS hasn't exactly changed my political views so much as made them more coherent. I've also got a better understanding of other viewpoints and systems, which is definately a good thing.

Moved to the left moreso

I went from a hardline conservative to an anarcho-communist.

Are you being serious? I can't believe you were ever a conservative.

I went from a conservative, to hardline super conservative. Frankly, all you people scare me to death with your Communist/socialist/anarchist/fascist ideas.

I went from a conservative, to hardline super conservative. Frankly, all you people scare me to death with your Communist/socialist/anarchist/fascist ideas.

Amen to that! :p I am so much further to the right I'm even pro capitalizt imperialism and slightly pro military dictatorship under conservative rule. I even like dictators who kill communits now! :mp5: :D

Amen to that! :p I am so much further to the right I'm even pro capitalizt imperialism and slightly pro military dictatorship under conservative rule. I even like dictators who kill communits now! :mp5: :D
Surely pro capitalizt imperialism is at odds with pro military dictatorship?

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You can't change my conservative mind because I am right. Nationstates itself should not help change anyone's mind. Like it's an accurate representation of real life! The forums, however, are full of the liberals who control the United Nations who sometimes manage to slip subliminal arguments into their liminal ones. Well, I have a quote for those people from Brian of Family Guy:

Do you actually listen to the crap that comes out of your mouth?

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You can't change my conservative mind because I am right. Nationstates itself should not help change anyone's mind. Like it's an accurate representation of real life! The forums, however, are full of the liberals who control the United Nations who sometimes manage to slip subliminal arguments into their liminal ones. Well, I have a quote for those people from Brian of Family Guy:

Amen, my family-guy-watching friend, amen.

Surely pro capitalizt imperialism is at odds with pro military dictatorship?

Not at all. Luciferius has an extremely militant dictatorial regime and we fight military conflicts to access very profitable energy resouces all the time. Here's what you do:

1) First, your militant government will give huge subsidies to defense corporations. Your Arms Manufacturing Corporations will be so intwined with your government, the'll practically merge.

2) Second, you sell some of your advanced technology and military hardware to smaller, weaker countries with few allies. Usually non white muslim countries, but as long as they have much desired and provitable energy resouces, it doesn't really matter.

3) Now here's the tricky part. You demonize the same country to whom you first sold the weapons, convince your people that it is threatening or violating your national or bloc sovereignty (alarming your public into "National Defense" mode), and declare war on it.

EX: You can do this buy secretly selling weapons to a rogue state, perform a highly organized terrorist attack (or series of attacks) on your own country and say the other country is to blame, or sell weapons to said country's rival, instigating a war between the two and declare one to be the "aggressor." This way, you can "liberate" one country and invade the next.

4) After "regime change" has effectively been implemented, station several permanet military bases of your own in one (or both) country(ies), give "no-bid contracts" to oil/energy corporations owned by your friend(s), and use those bases to control the energy resouces of surrounding countries.

5) Make absolutely sure that the CEOs of your defense and oil/energy corporations and are your handpicked puppets and are guranteed to give you and your loyalists (those you deem worthy) pretty substantial "kickbacks" for all your hard work.

Sure this plan will seem lenghty and costly, but just think of the strong military presence & economic & geopolitical dominance you'll have in that region! You'll rule the markets and half the world, at least when done properly and often enough.

That's excactly right! That's the best way for any benevolent, militant dictatorship to increase it's military, economic, and geopolitical influences around the world. More dictatorships could be Super Powers with similiar strategies. Kinda like a capitalist Soviet Union, but with more staying power! :D

Not at all. Luciferius has an extremely militant dictatorial regime and we fight military conflicts to access very profitable energy resouces all the time. Here's what you do:

1) First, your militant government will give huge subsidies to defense corporations. Your Arms Manufacturing Corporations will be so intwined with your government, the'll practically merge.

2) Second, you sell some of your advanced technology and military hardware to smaller, weaker countries with few allies. Usually non white muslim countries, but as long as they have much desired and provitable energy resouces, it doesn't really matter.

3) Now here's the tricky part. You demonize the same country to whom you first sold the weapons, convince your people that it is threatening or violating your national or bloc sovereignty (alarming your public into "National Defense" mode), and declare war on it.

EX: You can do this buy secretly selling weapons to a rogue state, perform a highly organized terrorist attack (or series of attacks) on your own country and say the other country is to blame, or sell weapons to said country's rival, instigating a war between the two and declare one to be the "aggressor." This way, you can "liberate" one country and invade the next.

4) After "regime change" has effectively been implemented, station several permanet military bases of your own in one (or both) country(ies), give "no-bid contracts" to oil/energy corporations owned by your friend(s), and use those bases to control the energy resouces of surrounding countries.

5) Make absolutely sure that the CEOs of your defense and oil/energy corporations and are your handpicked puppets and are guranteed to give you and your loyalists (those you deem worthy) pretty substantial "kickbacks" for all your hard work.

Sure this plan will seem lenghty and costly, but just think of the strong military presence & economic & geopolitical dominance you'll have in that region! You'll rule the markets and half the world, at least when done properly and often enough.


Please note that not all of us "capitalist imperialists" appreciate you giving away all of our "tricks of the trade" so to speak. Nicely explained though.

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"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

Are you being serious? I can't believe you were ever a conservative.

I certainly was. I was also very homophobic. I remember debating frequently against gay rights when I first joined the board. It wasn't long before I realized the true nature of prejudice from debating neonazis and the weakness of my anti-gay arguments.

I certainly was. I was also very homophobic. I remember debating frequently against gay rights when I first joined the board. It wasn't long before I realized the true nature of prejudice from debating neonazis and the weakness of my anti-gay arguments.
Ahhh, you've got the plague.

Run for the hills.

NS has actually moved me to the right on many issues.

I certainly was. I was also very homophobic. I remember debating frequently against gay rights when I first joined the board. It wasn't long before I realized the true nature of prejudice from debating neonazis and the weakness of my anti-gay arguments.

Damn, it's too bad you didn't stay Conservative.

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"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

I went from a hardline conservative to an anarcho-communist.

What kind of conservative? A pseudoconservative, i.e. Republican, or a genuine conservative?

I went from a conservative, to hardline super conservative. Frankly, all you people scare me to death with your Communist/socialist/anarchist/fascist ideas.

Agreed! :D

I was really conservative when I started but being around all these liberals has just made me even more conservative. It has made me more anti-illegal immigration, ALOT more anti-queer, more anti-europe, and slightly more anti-communist because I was about as anti-communist as its possible to be.

I was really conservative when I started but being around all these liberals has just made me even more conservative. It has made me more anti-illegal immigration, ALOT more anti-queer, more anti-europe, and slightly more anti-communist because I was about as anti-communist as its possible to be.

But of course, no one on earth hates communism more than I do. I'm more anticommunist than Joe McCarthy, Martin Dies, Chiang Kai-shek, Syngman Rhee, Nguyen Cao Ky, Nguyen Van Thieu, Lon Nol, Vang Pao, Boun Oum, Ian Smith, Anastasio Somoza Debayle, King Faisal, the Shah of Iran, Augusto Pinochet, Francisco Franco, Moise Tshombe, Draza Mihailovich, Ferdinand Marcos, Thanom Kittitakchorn, Fulgencio Batista, Douglas MacArthur, George Patton, Ezra Taft Benson, Robert Taft, J. Edgar Hoover, Dan Smoot, Alan Stang, Robert Welch, Larry McDonald, and Otto Otepka COMBINED.

But of course, no one on earth hates communism more than I do. I'm more anticommunist than Joe McCarthy, Martin Dies, Chaing Kai-shek, Syngman Rhee, Nguyen Cao Ky, Nguyen Van Thieu, Lon Nol, Vang Pao, Boun Oum, Ian Smith, Anastasio Somoza Debayle, Augusto Pinochet, Francisco Franco, Moise Tshombe, Draza Mihailovich, Ferdinand Marcos, Thanom Kittitakchorn, Fulgencio Batista, Douglas MacArthur, George Patton, Ezra Taft Benson, Robert Taft, J. Edgar Hoover, Dan Smoot, Alan Stang, Robert Welch, Larry McDonald, and Otto Otepka COMBINED.
I want open borders, a super democracy, and free things for all. If we did this, and removed other constraints created by the evils of man, we'd all join together and love eachother. :D

After a year or so of NS, I do not think that it has changed my views too much but has somewhat slightly increased my tolerance to the views of others. It has however, expose me to newer and more dynamic, aspects of my belief in nationalism.

I want open borders, a super democracy, and free things for all. If we did this, and removed other constraints created by the evils of man, we'd all join together and love eachother. :D

You do know that our Founding Fathers called democracy the worst form of government, right?

But of course, no one on earth hates communism more than I do. I'm more anticommunist than Joe McCarthy, Martin Dies, Chiang Kai-shek, Syngman Rhee, Nguyen Cao Ky, Nguyen Van Thieu, Lon Nol, Vang Pao, Boun Oum, Ian Smith, Anastasio Somoza Debayle, King Faisal, the Shah of Iran, Augusto Pinochet, Francisco Franco, Moise Tshombe, Draza Mihailovich, Ferdinand Marcos, Thanom Kittitakchorn, Fulgencio Batista, Douglas MacArthur, George Patton, Ezra Taft Benson, Robert Taft, J. Edgar Hoover, Dan Smoot, Alan Stang, Robert Welch, Larry McDonald, and Otto Otepka COMBINED.

A very comprehesive list indeed. Communism is subhuman. Just like the roaches you bust.

You do know that our Founding Fathers called democracy the worst form of government, right?
Oh, of course. That's why they gave us a republic. That model, of course, is threatened by democracy at home, and especially abroad. And it isn't good democracy, either. But let's not hijack this thread, shall we?

A very comprehesive list indeed. Communism is subhuman. Just like the roaches you bust.

:D I never said communism is subhuman. I hate communism, but not communists. Communists are no better and no worse than anyone else.

What kind of conservative? A pseudoconservative, i.e. Republican, or a genuine conservative?

I'd say a bit more authoritarian than the Republican party. What's a genuine conservative?

A very comprehesive list indeed. Communism is subhuman. Just like the roaches you bust.

Do you even know what communism is? It isn't a dictatorship.

But of course, no one on earth hates communism more than I do. I'm more anticommunist than Joe McCarthy, Martin Dies, Chiang Kai-shek, Syngman Rhee, Nguyen Cao Ky, Nguyen Van Thieu, Lon Nol, Vang Pao, Boun Oum, Ian Smith, Anastasio Somoza Debayle, King Faisal, the Shah of Iran, Augusto Pinochet, Francisco Franco, Moise Tshombe, Draza Mihailovich, Ferdinand Marcos, Thanom Kittitakchorn, Fulgencio Batista, Douglas MacArthur, George Patton, Ezra Taft Benson, Robert Taft, J. Edgar Hoover, Dan Smoot, Alan Stang, Robert Welch, Larry McDonald, and Otto Otepka COMBINED.

I am that anti-communist or more.

I am that anti-communist or more.

Than we should be best friends! :D

I'd say a bit more authoritarian than the Republican party. What's a genuine conservative?



Do you even know what communism is? It isn't a dictatorship.

Genuine conservative: Robert Welch, Robert Taft, Ron Paul, Michael Peroutka, George Wallace, Martin Dies, Larry McDonald.

Pseudoconservative: George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, etc.

I know what communism is. Communism is what's supposed to happen after the dictatorship of the proletariat. It's allegedly a perfect world of a 'new man' where there is no need for government, law, police, prisons, or anything.

I still being a pro-scandinavian European ;)

I used to be so liberal. Then I started hearing about how much America needs religious influence in its government, so as to oppress minorities and people of other religions, and I was like, wow! I'm completely anti-woman, anti-black, anti-gay, anti-Jew, anti-everything but white, straight, rich Christian/Catholic men!
I guess you would say, then, that I've become a stereotypical conservative? Are there any "faggots" around here for me to beat up in an impotent attempt at displaying my non-existant machismo?

Sigh.

Not all conservatives are homophobes, you know. I consider myself completely right wing, but im secure enough in my heterosexuality to not have any problem with gays. I don't oppose gay marriage, or abortion.

Not all conservatives are homophobes, you know. I consider myself completely right wing, but im secure enough in my heterosexuality to not have any problem with gays. I don't oppose gay marriage, or abortion.

My post was actually referring to the person who said they had become more anti-queer. How do you become more discriminatory when you talk to people of all ages and political persuasions?! That's really beyond me, but then, discriminating against gays/blacks/women/whoever is also really beyond me. Guess that's something an open-minded, tolerant person could never understand.

NS has had little or no impact on my political views. It has however given me a nasty headache and/or a desire to throw myself under a passing bus on occasion. But that's just me.

Well, I've only been here a week so it really hasn't changed my views that much so I'm still an centrist who is leaning to the left because the right says you're with me or against me. But what it has done for me is reinforce the stereotypes that I have begun to notice over the years in reguards to most conservatives. And I guess you could say it has soured me a little bit to the ultra-left leaners, some of them are a little uh, radical for my tastes, but I already knew that.

NS has had little or no impact on my political views. It has however given me a nasty headache and/or a desire to throw myself under a passing bus on occasion. But that's just me.

Did that to me a couple times too, but not throw myself under a bus, throw other people under one.

Whilst NS itself hasnt changed my views, my views have changed since i first stumbled across this site many moons ago. Ive become slightly less ultra-capitalist and slightly less libertarian, becoming a bit more authoritarian as ive become more worldly wise. Ive also become a fair bit less conservative, and more of a right wing radical in many senses.

The liberals on here however still stun the crap out of me with some of the ideas they believe....

Well, I've only been here a week so it really hasn't changed my views that much so I'm still an centrist who is leaning to the left because the right says you're with me or against me. But what it has done for me is reinforce the stereotypes that I have begun to notice over the years in reguards to most conservatives. And I guess you could say it has soured me a little bit to the ultra-left leaners, some of them are a little uh, radical for my tastes, but I already knew that.

Sums me up fairly well too. Been here a couple months now (though I used to participate in another political forum somewhere else a year or so ago).

I try to remain centrist, but I would say its been 4 years of Bush in charge that has swung me to the left. And I've been a registered Republican for over 8 years. Hell, I was helping put up vote for Bush (Sr.) posters back in 1988 when I was only in elementary school. So NS hasn't really changed my views (though I've heard some really good & bad arguements from both sides). But those stereotypes certainly do apply to the extreme right and left wingers. They both have a bit of the "it can only be MY way!" mentality.

"NS changed your political views?"
Not to the slightest, though I´m here just a short while.
I use to debate in a political forum in my country for quite some time. There I sometimes hear new concepts and ideas though it is also mainly flaming and bashing like here, hehehe.
But anyway: sometimes there are interesting debates and enjoy participating in them.

I used to support socialism. Now I don't. I used to think the environment should win over everything else, now I don't. I used to think we should do no harm, now I think that is impossible.

I used to be left but now I pick and choose ideas from each camp.

I came here very much on the right, and I am still, just as much on the right.

It hasn't changed my political beliefs, however reading all these threads HAS given me more insight into the way the liberal mind works, as well as noted the differences between myself and other right wing people on this forum (for example, maybe the same goals, but different reasoning behind those goals). While I do understand more clearly the way many leftists think now, that has made me all the more opposed to them.

NS gave me political views. I think that says it all.

It was here I learned I was a Democrat.

It was here I learned that Bush was a terrible President, and that I don't have to stand by him.

It was here I realized my own opinions.

It was here I cursed because I'm just 4 years away from being able to vote, just one election away from possibly the most important U.S. election in my life-time.

I came here very much on the right, and I am still, just as much on the right.

It hasn't changed my political beliefs, however reading all these threads HAS given me more insight into the way the liberal mind works, as well as noted the differences between myself and other right wing people on this forum (for example, maybe the same goals, but different reasoning behind those goals). While I do understand more clearly the way many leftists think now, that has made me all the more opposed to them.

What he said. Just replace "right" with "left" and "liberal" with "conservative fascist enemy" :D

Actually, it's a bit more than that. I'd become a bit disaffected by politics before NS rejuvenated my interest again. I've always been a leftist though.

i've just arrived. but i do find the debattes (where ever it can be found among all the flames and trolls) to be very intresting, although almsot a bit too much, i can't possibly read all the threads i like to read :(.

and since im new, im not looking back to see what have changed, but im looking forward, hoping that it will make me understand more about the reasoning of those how don't think like me, and that the debattes here will force me to discover where i myself stand. hopefully when this trip is over, i wont be too chocked ;).

(soz, not trying to hijack the thread)

It hasn't changed my ideals, but it's made me want to move out of the US for shame of the people in it.