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* * * ^_^ Hummmmm ...which one do we believe:
"I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with war on my mind," George W. Bush ((on Meet the Press -- Feb-8-2004))

- OR -

"Nobody wants to be the war president. I want to be the peace president."
George W. Bush ((July 20th, 2004 reported by Reuters)).


Discuss....

* * * ^_^ Hummmmm ...which one do we believe:
"I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with war on my mind," George W. Bush ((on Meet the Press -- Feb-8-2004))

- OR -

"Nobody wants to be the war president. I want to be the peace president."
George W. Bush ((July 20th, 2004 reported by Reuters)).


Discuss....
Flip-floppery?

"Nobody wants to be the war president. I want to be the peace president."
George W. Bush ((July 20th, 2004 reported by Reuters)).Then don't declare a war, genius.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not a Kerry fan either. I just want to see what the Bush supporters have to say about this.

*Sits back and grabs popcorn*

Oh wait...they've been awfully silent on the matter. I don't expect them to come fleeing to his defense on this one.

*sits back and goes about researching whom I will write in on the ballot for President*

I think he means that although he is a war president at this point in time, he would rather not have that distiction.

He called himself that in a speach, He said, "I'm a war President"
He looked pretty happy to me.

There is really no contradiction here. See, everyone is failing to realize a few facts:

In the happy world of George Bush, a person automatically becomes whatever they say they are. I mean, let's just look at his personal history.

He speaks with his Texas slang....where does he get the Texas slang from when his family is from Connecticut? The ranch house in Crawford isn't as old his daughters are.

He said he was a successful businessman. Running oil businesses into the ground and then selling them to his daddy's friends at huge profit makes him a successful businessman? I won't fault him trading Sosa, because who could know the potential, but can anyone name a business he ran that was successful?

He said that no child left behind worked so well in Houston so it would be a model for the nation. Has anyone looked at the Houston school system? For that matter, has anyone talked to any teachers? But he said it, so it is now thus.

He's said he's a war president in hundreds of speeches but now it behooves him to be a man of peace. So now....bling....he's the peace president! Everyone must now forget his record.

Apparently, after using so much cocaine and drinking so much alcohol, the delusions are pretty strong. Whatever he says becomes his own reality. Good for him. Its nice to live in a world of lollipops and sunshine.

My, my where are all the Bush fans now?

Since you're criticising George, and anyone who criticises George is a terrorist and a cad (With us or against us? Eh?), I'm afraid I'm just going to have to bomb you into the ground, HARU. Sorry and all. o.O

Since you're criticising George, and anyone who criticises George is a terrorist and a cad (With us or against us? Eh?), I'm afraid I'm just going to have to bomb you into the ground, HARU. Sorry and all. o.O

Well Chimaea, we meet again...
I never criticized Shrubby, I only posted two quotes and said "discuss".
And aren't you an Aussie? Look to your own country: voting is compulsory...WTF?!!
As for HARU, think back to the days of The Slaver War and other various NS incidents...I prefer the term "Freedom Fighters".
BTW, Have you seen The Reich's new SIDI systems...not that I would actually need them.

Oh my..looks like I hijacked my own thread...

Voting should be compulsory. Makes more sense that way! I'm given to understand that a large percent of Americans don't vote; which means the leadership isn't actually a fair representation of the populace.

That's my piece said. And I don't care if anyone criticises Bush, btw, just for the record ;) was only joking. But the whole with us or against us thing made it so that if anyone criticises Bush on anything, they're supporting terrorism. Yay.

Heh, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter :)

Hijacking is cool.

Hummmmmmmm..."I am a war president [...] I want to be the peace president".

Which one do we believe?

How about both? He's one thing and he wants to be another. I don't see any flip-floppery in that.

Hummmmmmmm..."I am a war president [...] I want to be the peace president".

Which one do we believe?

How about both? He's one thing and he wants to be another. I don't see any flip-floppery in that.
Exactly. This isn't a particularly damning set of quotes. There's a difference between what you are and what you want to be.

How about both? He's one thing and he wants to be another. I don't see any flip-floppery in that.if you look through Bush's list of John Kerry flip-flops, you'll see that it would be a flip-flop by his standards

if you look through Bush's list of John Kerry flip-flops, you'll see that it would be a flip-flop by his standards
So the difference between what you (feel) you have to be and what you would like to be is on par with "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" now? So going from pro Iraq War to anti Iraq War as a matter of convenience is to? What about ranting on his Vietnam service now. Somehow ignoring the fact that he announced that their were no heroes in Vietnam and that Vietnam was just a bunch of Americans being big meanies who slaughtered civies.
It must be nice to live in a world where you can make up the facts as you go along.

Then don't declare a war, genius.

He didn't.

Yes, he did.
Congress DID NOT. They voted on the FUNDING. They DID NOT declare war.
He did. His "war against terror".
And as much fun as this is gonna be, be sure not to blur the lines like so many republican punks do between necessity and frivolity, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Voting should be compulsory. Makes more sense that way! I'm given to understand that a large percent of Americans don't vote; which means the leadership isn't actually a fair representation of the populace.

That's my piece said. And I don't care if anyone criticises Bush, btw, just for the record ;) was only joking. But the whole with us or against us thing made it so that if anyone criticises Bush on anything, they're supporting terrorism. Yay.

Heh, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter :)

Hijacking is cool.

Australia's cool. I got to go there 20 days on the People to People Student Ambassador program this summer. I saw the whole east coast, from Cairns to Sydney, and on the whole trip only ONE TOWN had stores which didn't have a wall filled with boomerangs and didgereedoos everywhere. ONLY ONE!!!!! Australia's so much better than the US, cleaner, brighter, smells better, and sugar cane... on both sides of the road... everywhere... as far as the eye can see (until you see mountains anyway).

Yeah, patriot act, GREAT idea, oh yeah. Now you can search my home without a warrant and beat me down for saying I don't like the president YIPEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course they never take it to that extent but it puts in everything to make that legal. If they did do that, the act would be brought to the supreme court and found against the constitution REALLY fast, and the Shrub doesn't want that.


Cumpulsory voting is a good idea, gets much better presidents, I must assume. Australia, from what I saw, definetely has less problems than the US... for one...

Death Rate by guns annually, courtesy of Michael Moore...

Australia: 200-300
USA: 11000-12000

Even with more people, it still doesn't work out right. Oh well

Voting should be compulsory. Makes more sense that way! I'm given to understand that a large percent of Americans don't vote; which means the leadership isn't actually a fair representation of the populace.

That's my piece said. And I don't care if anyone criticises Bush, btw, just for the record ;) was only joking. But the whole with us or against us thing made it so that if anyone criticises Bush on anything, they're supporting terrorism. Yay.

Heh, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter :)

Hijacking is cool.

Geek alert, you just quoted Star Trek! I guess that makes me a geek too.

Anyhoo, if voting is compulsory, then a "none of the above" spot should be included on the ballot. Our system now almost boils down to a question like: Would you rather be beaten with a club or a whip?

please visit this thread to flex your funny bone by contributing: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349138

Yes, he did.
Congress DID NOT. They voted on the FUNDING. They DID NOT declare war.
He did. His "war against terror".
And as much fun as this is gonna be, be sure not to blur the lines like so many republican punks do between necessity and frivolity, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Bush can't declare war without Congress. Congress would never allow it.

Bush can't declare war without Congress. Congress would never allow it.

Yes, but Congress did an unprecedented thing, at the urging of the administration. Bush's people asked Congress for the authority to declare war on Iraq at the president's pleasure, ostensibly to give the president more bargaining power.

The Constitution gives Congress the sole power to declare war, but the Bush administration doctorine of pre-emption subverts that.

It must be nice to live in a world where you can make up the facts as you go along.You ought to know--it's the story of your time here on NS.

Yes, but Congress did an unprecedented thing, at the urging of the administration. Bush's people asked Congress for the authority to declare war on Iraq at the president's pleasure, ostensibly to give the president more bargaining power.

The Constitution gives Congress the sole power to declare war, but the Bush administration doctorine of pre-emption subverts that.
I think the last time we actually declared war was in WWII. This is hardly an unprecedented procedure. Vietnam lasted for like a decade and we didn't declare war.

Bush can't declare war without Congress. Congress would never allow it.
No, but he can authorize military action under the War Powers Act. He has limits, although not many. He can even do it without Congressional approval, although in this case Bush did get authorization from Congress. There was no declaration of war, but they did essentially give Bush a blank check to use force in Iraq if he deemed it necessary. In other words, Congress copped out on their duty.

He says alot of stupid things take my sig for example
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

Bush has badly paid speech writers or he has trouble with English ...

:)

Geek alert, you just quoted Star Trek! I guess that makes me a geek too.

Hmm? Sheesh, that quote's been around for yonks. Star Trek got it from somewhere else, no doubt. That is, if you're talking about the freedom fighter line.

He changed his mind because he's drowning in a quagmire!

You ought to know--it's the story of your time here on NS.
I suppose that, in the vernacular, that would be accompnied by "Zing?" Very clever.
Just as clever as your powers of ignorance that prevented you from reading the beggining of my post.
PS: The Circus is that way, Incertonia. Zing!

I suppose that, in the vernacular, that would be accompnied by "Zing?" Very clever.
Just as clever as your powers of ignorance that prevented you from reading the beggining of my post.
PS: The Circus is that way, Incertonia. Zing!
Actually, I had read the beginning of your post, but deemed the part I quoted the only part worth responding to. After all, when you mention Kerry's statement about the $87 billion, you failed to note the converse--that the Republicans in the Senate voted against the $87 billion before they voted for it. Why? Because it was more important to save the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and not hold the Bush administration accountable for the funds than it was to fund the soldiers. If you're only going to look at one side of the story, the story gets a bit boring, and a bit, well, smelly.

I'll take a guy like Kerry who looks at multiple options over a guy like Bush who makes a decision and sticks with it, no matter how stupid the decision is.

And the proper term for my original one-liner is "Ba-zing!" not just zing. :D

Discuss, OK...

Bush would like to be a "peace president," but the situation is, in his mind at least, one of de facto war. So he must be a war president.

Sorry. I haven't read the thread. I found it when seeing what Chimaea had posted (something about a Star Trek quote or something.

Just adding my $0.02 now. :)