NationStates Jolt Archive

When President Bush became president in 2000, I knew it wasn't true. After reading many stories (after tireless searching across the internet), this is what happened on November 4th, 2000:

1) Florida was supposed to go to Al Gore according to CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN-HN
2) FNC, Fox News Channel went towards Bush for Florida....his cousin made the final decision...all the other networks followed FNC.
3) Judy Woodruff said that Florida would decide the election, as did many others
4) Al Gore ordered a re-count, after high votes for Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader
5) Protests in Florida ordering a recount, are listened to, and America agrees a recount should be done...it is done...
6) After Bush wins the election, Al Gore goes to the Senate to ask if anyone questions it (in which they must have a congressmen/congresswoman & senator's signature)
7) Most non-caucassian congressmen & women come up with out a signature from a Senate, but have a signature from a congressmen.
8) "I have a signature from myself, and I don't care if I don't have a signature from a Senator"---Congresswoman
9) Al Gore then concedes in December, humiliating himself...

It wasn't Nader or Buchanans fault. It was George W. Bush and his cousins fault...it wasn't CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, or any of them's fault. It was the Democrats fault If we really thought that G.W. Bush had cheated and that votes were not counted in a highly-African-American county in Florida (in which most of them were bound to vote for Gore) was even worse. The county had more than 500 votes cast, but none of them were counted.
If a Senator (Democratic) truly believed Al Gore should've been our president, they would've signed their signature on one of those congressmen/women's documents....
But the truth is, they didn't care, and didn't want to because all of them weren't white/caucassian---is America racial? Democrats and Republicans alike?

is America racial? Democrats and Republicans alike?It's a hell of a lot better than it used to be. Rome wasn't built in a day, you know.

And there's more to Bush's presidency than a few Senators not signing objections.

I am inclined to believe Al Gore won. I admit I am influenced not by a pro-Gore feeling but rather an anti-Bush feeling.

If I were in any position to do so, I'd demand recounts until the results are conclusive.

If the number of votes is really close, there should be a second round.

When President Bush became president in 2000, I knew it wasn't true. After reading many stories (after tireless searching across the internet), this is what happened on November 4th, 2000:

1) Florida was supposed to go to Al Gore according to CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN-HNI'm anti-Bush but I also have a problem with the fact that CBS, NBC, ABC, and other more liberal stations called Florida for Gore while the polls were still open in Florida thus influencing the outcome by discouraging more Floridians from voting... Fox called Florida for Bush after the polls were closed and was correct based on the count at the time, though the count would later be disputed.
2) FNC, Fox News Channel went toward Bush for Florida....his cousin made the final decision...all the other networks followed FNC.
Why did all the other networks change from Gore to Bush? How did it come to be that seven stations were influenced by a single one - Fox? Not because of some conspiracy by Fox to influence voters, given that the polls were closed anyways. The other networks followed Fox because Fox was right to say that the vote count came in for Bush.

I'd dismiss the Fox/Bush cousin media conspiracy theory because Fox did correctly report that the first vote count (taken at the time the polls closed) was in favor of Bush. But I also agree with your other point, that the vote count itself was questionable and should have been subjected to more conclusive recounts.

Why does everyone discount the most major Florida cheat? DBT/CHoicepoint created a list of 70,000 people to take off the Florida voting roles in Florida on the basis of them being mainly democrats and minorities (primarily black) at the request of K Harris. Granted DBT first had a more reasonable list (of about 5000 at most I believe) until Harris said it wasnt good enough and asked for partial matches and even had people stricken for having convictions far in the future.

pathetic

The whole thing was rather shady from the beginning. Either way, America got screwed by the process. Having to choose the lesster of two evils to begin with wasn't very fair ... but then finding a decent choice would require the complete dismantling of our political system and its reconstruction from the ground up.

When's that going to happen?

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Two days from never at this rate.

http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html

This is a good flash movie talking about the Florida 2000 dilemna....watch it and see what you think.

Ok I'm not American but what I understand the real winner was the people who didn't wote they there almost even a majority. But if you see to the two candidates Gore got the most votes. But because your electrorate system and techicalitys in Florida Bush won. The intresting thing was that the only american politcian who wanted to change the system for the next election was Hillary Clinton. Evryone else seemed contend with only a around 50% vote for the american democratic system and that the guy with most votes don't win the election. Because then only around 50 % vote somehing more then people are lazy are wrong.

Very interesting video! I watched it a few times....Katherine Harris (who was the head of the Bush Campaign) ordered this at the right time...I am thinking that we have the Bush Scandals------George H.W. Bush was supposed to be re-elected in 1992, but lost because of a failing economy. With Clinton's strength as president, George Jr. held off on his running for president in 1996, because of Clinton's strength. Seeing that Al Gore was running---a very vulnerable person---Bush ran in 2000. It was an easy set-up for the Bush's that could've been planned & set-up years ago. If John Kerry is elected this year, we might see a Jeb Bush by 2012, haunting us all.
COme on, Hillary...come on Kerry...Kerry run in 2004 and win...Hillary run in 2012 and win....

The 'Bush Conspiracy' as it has been called exactly went to Florida, but Oregon was in dead heat. Now, people with the exact birthdays of these ex-felons' votes weren't counted---now why if they might have not a single thing to do with these felons. Ex-felons are not 'bad' anymore, so why shouldn't they get the right to vote. Tell me Harris, tell me.

Yes, I'd really like to understand that stuff about people being stricken off the voting lists. Maybe a relatively unbiased source could explain it?

Well, for one, your "Findings" are pretty much exactly what Michael Moore said in Stupid White Men. So no surprises there.

Secondly, Stop living in the Past! Even if Bush didn't "Win" the election, you can't change the decisions he's already made for your country. Just get him out of there in November, if you want to see him evicted from the White House.

Well, for one, your "Findings" are pretty much exactly what Michael Moore said in Stupid White Men. So no surprises there.

Secondly, Stop living in the Past! Even if Bush didn't "Win" the election, you can't change the decisions he's already made for your country. Just get him out of there in November, if you want to see him evicted from the White House.

We need to learn from our mistakes and noone in power seems to care about the Florida scandal (despite the huge public outcry) so if we don't learn from the mistake we will be doomed to repeat it. If we don't reprimand Bush for doing it the first time, don't you think that he will try it again?

we have an old saying on nationstates.... well we have it in california so....

those who fool us once, well shame on them... fool us twice... you cant... you cant fool us again!

Yes, I'd really like to understand that stuff about people being stricken off the voting lists. Maybe a relatively unbiased source could explain it?
welll you can google it but this is it in a nutshell

in most states, florida included, those who have been convicted of a serious crime ( a felony) lose their right to vote

now there is no communications between the courts and the county clerks who keep voting lists. no one notifies them that a certain person on their list in now ineligible to vote

so before the 2000 election, katherine harris, secretary of state for florida, contracted to a (very expensive) private company to have them draw up a list of convicted felons so they could be removed from the state polls

we do not have good ways of identifying people in the US. a social security number is not used in the voter registration process. all that is used is the name and address of the voter. you attest at the time of registering that you are not a convicted felon but i doubt anyone checks and you certainly dont call them up from prison to tell them to take you off the voter rolls

SO

they drew up a VERY inclusive list. this list included many many people who had never been convicted of anything but who had a name similar to someone who had. CO-INCIDENTALLY, (im sure) there were many more african american mistakes (largely democrats) than there were hispanic american mistakes (largely republican in florida)

so about 70,000 (iirc) democratic voters were turned away from the polls, WAY more than the margin by which george bush was declared the winner.

funny how things like that work out eh?

now katherine harris is a congresswoman, i guess the floridians loved the way she handled the whole thing in 2000.