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ROFL. Now there is load of crap. What I really was going to say was they they are so full of shit it not only comes out of their ass but it comes out of their mouth.
The reason why is because they are the people in the world that only care for themselves and if they do care for anyone else it is people like them. That is the truth.
Can anyone name two great republican President's of the 20 th century that weren't a democrat? Now you can name many democratic Presidents that were great or even beyond. Like FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and Clinton.

*wonders how many people will come up with Reagan and run away crying after being flamed*

Eisenhower and Reagan.

Reagon was a democrat my friend that was why he was great.

Uh, Reagan was a Republican.

He was a democrat before he was a republican.

You said name two great Republican presidents, and I did.

Reagon was a democrat my friend that was why he was great.
um, no he wasn't.

Reagan was the first of the New Republicans in the same way FDR changed the Democratic Party.

In retrospect, everyone now loves Regan and Bush Sr., and 10 years from now Bush Jr. will be seen in the same light.

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ROFL. Now there is load of crap. What I really was going to say was they they are so full of shit it not only comes out of their ass but it comes out of their mouth.
The reason why is because they are the people in the world that only care for themselves and if they do care for anyone else it is people like them. That is the truth.
Can anyone name two great republican President's of the 20 th century that weren't a democrat? Now you can name many democratic Presidents that were great or even beyond. Like FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Carter and Clinton.
that weren't a democrat? That is what I said.

I'd have to agree.

Uh, Reagan was a Republican.

No, no, he's right. Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon, founder of the a cappella group Sweet Honey In The Rock, is indeed a Democrat.

She just wasn't President...

i want to know wat made carter a great president. he wasnt . the economy blowed chunks. twice as bad as now. russia invaded afganistan. the hostage crises. the lack of national spirit. GAS COST WAS TWICE AS MUCH AS NOW ADJ. FOR INFLATION. he was terrible. a nice guy, but awful. two great republicans, dwight eisenhower and ronald reagan.

i own reagan's autobiography. he was registered a republican since 1962. he left the democrats because in his words, they had left him, he was a true conservative republican at heart. also, he was elected 4 times to major public office as a republican and not a single office as a democrat.

I may be wrong on carter thing but you have to admit he is a great ex-president.

This thread is terrible.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks10.gif

ever notice some things?
1) fdr developed nuclear weapons
2) he also detained the japanese
3) truman used nuclear force ( which was good but not liberal)
4) carter , well, read my other post
5) clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury
6) no since it was clinton who lost congress ( after nealy 70 years of democrats) to the republicans

these democrats were ranging from debatably great to below average not great or freaking beyond.

It is just a guess Kerubia but I am guessing you are republican. Correct?

i want to know wat made carter a great president. he wasnt . the economy blowed chunks. twice as bad as now. russia invaded afganistan. the hostage crises. the lack of national spirit. GAS COST WAS TWICE AS MUCH AS NOW ADJ. FOR INFLATION. he was terrible. a nice guy, but awful. two great republicans, dwight eisenhower and ronald reagan.

The problem with Carter.. was that he was too damn smart. What his big mistake was that he felt that he could handle everything and got overwhelmed. Rather, if he had tried to get the best people for the particular job in question, and let them handle it... things would have been much different.

great ex president. best ever. worst foreign policy ever. bad economic policy for the country. weak. but a great ex president. i love history by the way. its my interest.

i completley agree. he needed to delegate much more. he was overwhelmed. a good guy too. it was sad. but then again, presidents who delegate are often criticized for it, like reagan, and george w. bush, i think it is a good stratagy though.

It is just a guess Kerubia but I am guessing you are republican. Correct?

I'm mostly Republican, your guess was correct.

Nonetheless, this thread sucks.

ever notice some things?
1) fdr developed nuclear weapons
2) he also detained the japanese
3) truman used nuclear force ( which was good but not liberal)
4) carter , well, read my other post
5) clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury
6) no since it was clinton who lost congress ( after nealy 70 years of democrats) to the republicans

these democrats were ranging from debatably great to below average not great or freaking beyond.

1 The only reason why was because were in a War
2 For security reasons.
3 He had no other options unless you wanted millions more of our men to die
4 carter I agree but he is a great ex President
5 Clinton was not impeached buddy
6 I don't understand

great ex president. best ever. worst foreign policy ever. bad economic policy for the country. weak. but a great ex president. i love history by the way. its my interest.
worst foreign policy ever. bad economic policy for the country. weak.
Seems a lot like Bush Jr

5 Clinton was not impeached buddy

If I remember correctly, impeachment simply means bringing criminal charges against the official, and if I'm correct, he was impeached.

However, he wasn't removed from office, as we all know.

ok, i agree with all your stuff. but this: clinton was impeached he just wasnt removed from office. ( look it up , believe me i know) and from 1931-1947 congress was democrat majority. then again from 1949 to 1953. then from 1955 to 1995. since then, no majority. but look it up. clinton was impeached buddy.

Carter is quite possibly the worst president in recent history.
Name me 1 major accomplishment that is accredited to him.

Note what "undecided territory" said....plus the fact that Carter didn't help our friend, The Shaw of Iran, when he desperately needed us. He just turned his back on him when the Iatola Khomeni took over. Now Iran is the number 1 supporter of terrorism. Thank you, Carter. My kids and grandkids will be thanking you, too since they now have to deal with terrorism.

Clinton was impeached, just not removed from office.

That 1955 to 1995 seems to be pretty long.

5 Clinton was not impeached buddy

Um actually he was... he just wasnt removed from office.

Impeachment simply means charges were brought.. not that he was removed.

http://www.ourtimelines.com/zpcimp.html

carter is not camparable to bush. under bush price inflation is about 1- 2 % per year. under carter it was in double didgets! his foreign policy led to amny of the problems we are faced with right now. and his unemployment numbers were nearly constantly above bush's all time high of last year of 6.3.

um, no he wasn't.

Reagan was the first of the New Republicans in the same way FDR changed the Democratic Party.

In retrospect, everyone now loves Regan and Bush Sr., and 10 years from now Bush Jr. will be seen in the same light.

I don't know about Bush Sr. He pretty much took the ball from Reagan and fumbled. And I don't think many people will view Bush Jr. like Reagan.

Presidents SHOULD delegate. They are SUPPOSED to surround themselves with good people. The captain of a ship doesn't drive the ship, he just tells people where to go.

Yeah I am sorry he was impeached.

look up my facts on congress, clinton and carter and the economy. you will find them all to be dead accurate.

tamkoman and me are on the same wavelength

I may be wrong on carter thing but you have to admit he is a great ex-president.

Oh bull shit!

Carter sucked as President, thats why RR beat his ass in 1980.

If I wanted someone to be a good friend, I would pick Carter. If I wanted a president, I would not pick Carter.

Carter thing is right and Clinton too. But still you guys have yet to come up with two republicans.

eh, not a great president. i would say about average. not great.but not atrocious.

two great republican presidents:
theodore roosevelt and ronald reagan

But still we all know that Bush is the worst republican in a long while. Even worst then Nixon.

Didnt they all stuff up majorly somehow?

I mean even Lincoln had slaves.

George W - deceived the world for Iraqi oil.
Clinton - Deceived the world to hide nookie.
George Bush Snr - Iraq 1. Win the fun media war to secure American energy future.
Reagan - Born to a low middle class democratic family, became a republican, one of the first things he did as governor was to reduce government spending on social welfare, education and health. Reagan economics is like Thatcherism and responsible for the poor paying for tax cuts, which are then given to help business. The evil empire comments were provocative for nuclear war too.

I would actually blame Reagan's foreign policy for many of today's problems, not Carter's. He was the one who gave Saddam all those weapons. Bush Sr., as CIA director, trained and assisted the mujahadeen (yes, my spelling is way off there), the leader of whom was our good friend Osama. The hostage crisis: not Carter's fault. Carter tried to rescue them, but a certain Great Communicator may have been involved in foiling that attempt. Then said Communicator sold weapons to the dictatorship in Iran in exchange for hostages, and used the money to support death squads in Central America. Thanks, Ronald! I don't think I'd be able to sleep at night if the people of Central America were free, not mired in poverty, and able to leave their homes without fear of being slaughtered by paramilitary units. Reagan was not a great President. He's just an icon for the Right.

You were good with Ike but you still have reagon there.

1 The only reason why was because were in a War
2 For security reasons.
3 He had no other options unless you wanted millions more of our men to die

You sould like a charter member of PNAC
4 carter I agree but he is a great ex President
if carter is a great ex-president, who would you say is a horrible former president?
5 Clinton was not impeached buddy
yes he was, he was just not removed from office. impeached means put on trial to be removed from office. think of it more like a grand jury.
6 I don't understand
of course you don't

amzing how the nuclear threat from the soviets ended under reagan. jeez. and you know i wonder just how much oil we have stolen. probably a lot? no. none. good god. duh. and i stand by reagan . you know, heres a question. lets compare carter to reagan
unemployment ,reagan lowered it
inflation, reagan lowered it
nuclear threat, reagan lowered it
taxes, reagan lowered them
patriotism, more,
need i go on?

He (Reagan) was a democrat before he was a republican.

That's because the views and values of the older Democrats are the same views and values of Republicans today.

My grandfather was a yellow-dog Democrat, but if he were here today, we would agree on virtually every single issue and he would vote Republican.

Reagan was DEFINITELY Republican.

Him and Ike.
There's your 2.

But you must admit we wouldn't have the problems now if it wasn't for Reagon.

[QUOTE=Mentholyptus]I would actually blame Reagan's foreign policy for many of today's problems, not Carter's. He was the one who gave Saddam all those weapons. Bush Sr., as CIA director, trained and assisted the mujahadeen (yes, my spelling is way off there), the leader of whom was our good friend Osama. The hostage crisis: not Carter's fault. Carter tried to rescue them, but a certain Great Communicator may have been involved in foiling that attempt. Then said Communicator sold weapons to the dictatorship in Iran in exchange for hostages, and used the money to support death squads in Central America.

ok, why did he give saddam weapons fool? because of carters failings in iran which led to the breakout of the iran iraq war in 1979. duh. when bush, sr. was directer of the cia it was 1976 way before any of this took place. carter rescued hostages and failed. i guess reagan caused the operation to fail when he crashed two helicopters in the middle east. pretty mean feat from california.

That's because the views and values of the older Democrats are the same views and values of Republicans today.

My grandfather was a yellow-dog Democrat, but if he were here today, we would agree on virtually every single issue and he would vote Republican.

Reagan was DEFINITELY Republican.

Him and Ike.
There's your 2.

True but he was a registered democrat for some time.

You were good with Ike but you still have reagon there.
How about Lincoln? Will that make you happy, or are you one of those democraps that think slavery was a good idea?

reagan bush, clinton and bush have all had to deal with the majo f ups of the carter era. oh, and look up my facts on bush, sr. im right.

How about Lincoln? Will that make you happy, or are you one of those democraps that think slavery was a good idea?

Now if Lincoln was here today he would be democrat no doubt about it.
I said of the 20th century.

reagan bush, clinton and bush have all had to deal with the majo f ups of the carter era. oh, and look up my facts on bush, sr. im right.

You tell me where to look and I will look.

Can anyone name two great republican President's of the 20 th century that weren't a democrat? Now you can name many democratic Presidents that were great or even beyond. Like FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Carter and Clinton.

I'll match you:
Theodore Roosevelt for Franklin Roosevelt - both greats
Eisenhower for Truman - both top cold warriors
Reagan for Kennedy - both beloved by their parties, both happy sunny leaders
Taft for Carter - both great ex-presidents
Nixon for Clinton - both loved by their own party and loathed by the opposition, both marred by avoidable scandal

theodore roosevelt and reagan. also, reagan was a reoublican for most of his adult life, was elected as a republican 4 times to major office. bitterly fought the democrats tooth and nail. he said they had left his conservative ideals behind in the 60's according to him anyway...

Now you can name many democratic Presidents that were great or even beyond. Like FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and Clinton.

Truman was great.
I'll give you FDR (although I think his policies screwed everything up), but he is considered "great". :rolleyes:
I'll also give you Kennedy, although much of his "greatness" was achieved as an icon because he was killed. He actually governed on conservative values.

Not sure how you include Carter and Clinton in here.
Carter is self-explanatory.
Clinton was so bad in his first 2 years that he lost the congress to the Republicans for the first time in almost 50 years.
Then....in his re-election, he had to campaign as a conservative!
What is his main achievement?
Welfare reform.....because the Republican congress MADE him sign it.

well, i have a book on presidential hisory righy here. im a history major. he was director of the cia under ford way before any of this bull

But you must admit we wouldn't have the problems now if it wasn't for Reagon.

Just wanted to point out your typo......

It clearly should've been
"But you must admit we WOULD have the problems now if it wasn't for Reagon"
:p

everyone around at the time knows that tamkoman is right about bill clinton. also, i dont know why people keep saying reagan was a democrat. he wasnt for most of his adult life. he ran 4 times for major office as a republican. most historians like me rate him far above average

Now here is my question for all you republicans. How would you rate Bush Jr on a 1 to 10 scale and say why.

I would say a 3 for his encomic policy, foreign policy, healthcare, and how he handled 9/11 info when he first got it.

I got one for ya.....

Name me 2 great Democrat presidents that campaigned and governed with Liberal ideas.....

I'll even give you the obvious FDR.
Now all you need is 1.




(.............cricket.....cricket........)
:)

every scholar knows reagan improved the lot of the country and the owrld drasticly. although. after carter. could he have possibly made things any worse? also, carter started the policy of funding iraq in 1980 during the iran iraq war. reagan ended the policy, and that famous pic of rumsfeld with saddam was actualy when rummy was brokering a deal to end that policy. so carter started it. reagan ended it. and rummy was behind ending it. he was reagans top gun for disarming the middle east in the 80s that was his official position, he was in charge of disarmament efforts.

Oh bull shit!

Carter sucked as President, thats why RR beat his ass in 1980.

Read the post again. Superiors was saying ex-president. As in AFTER he was out of office.

Clinton on his first election.

bush so far i would give a 9 out of 10 on the economy and a 8 out of ten on forein policy. let me explain the economy one to ya this way.
when did the recession start?
why?
when did it end?
why?

You guys aren't saying to much about bush jr

clitnon promised lower taxes, welfare reform, and a strong defense. wow, some liberal we had in 92.

Before I started to write this reply I had to stop laughing. Bush made it a hell of a lot worse. Also it the recession hasn't stoped.

Now here is my question for all you republicans. How would you rate Bush Jr on a 1 to 10 scale and say why.

I would say a 3 for his encomic policy, foreign policy, healthcare, and how he handled 9/11 info when he first got it.

This is an unfair rating because history will tell how Bush's policies affect the world.
Bush's tax cuts didn't start kicking in for 2 years. Now the economy is growing rapidly.
Keep in mind that the "top 1%" are the last ones to get the bulk of their tax cuts....we have yet to see all of their capital investments kick into gear.
Also, Iraq is still incomplete. If hell were to freeze over and we were to lose, then his policy fails. If he successfully creates a "self-determining" Iraq and Afghanistan, and then Iran follows suit.....and then Syria...Bush will go down as one of the greatest presidents ever due to his foresight and vision.

With that said, I'll give him an temporary 8 because I think he did the right thing. Time will tell if it succeeds.

However I give Bush a "1" when it comes to getting his message across. He is a great visionary, but a terrible speaker when it comes to getting his message out.

Yeah Regan was a democrat, till he grew a brain!

Reporter-"Mr. President, do you take any responsibility for the current recession?"
Regan-"Yes, I used to be a democrat"

Actual quote

We were attack by terrorists from osama and saudis. Then we attack Iraq now what is wrong with that.

Before I started to write this reply I had to stop laughing. Bush made it a hell of a lot worse. Also it the recession hasn't stoped.

Talk about laughing.
Be sure not to tell the American people that.
They are too busy enjoying the robust growth in the economy.

the recession hasnt stopped eh?
well, lets see compare the stock market a year a go to now. now compare unemployment a year ago to now. stocks higher. unemployment lower. also, the recession sarted in jan. 2001, bush;s first budget wasnt until oct. of 2001/ also, unemployment right now is as low as when clinton ran for reelection in 1996. it is lower than any time during carter. or reagans first term. also, the stolcks have gone up more in the last year than they did in total from 1914 to 1988. so the recession is still on. my o my.

Reagon had a great sense of humor.

Before I started to write this reply I had to stop laughing. Bush made it a hell of a lot worse. Also it the recession hasn't stoped.

Haha, you fool! Look at the recent stats... The stock market is back to where it was before Clinton's decisions caused a recession and the un-employment rate is officially lower than it was under Clinton. You can't deny that there was a recovery either, even the liberal media recognized what they called a "jobless RECOVERY." (which turned out to be more of a recovery given the employment rates)

You should be asking for the names of two great Democratic presidents. Wilson's League of Nations fell flat / he didn't get the Treaty of Versailles passed. FDR was horrible and his record has been glossed over by the history books. Truman carried on FDR's tax and spend policies with his "Square Deal". JFK was actually more like a Republican in today's sense (sorry liberals, he cut taxes), LBJ led us into the quagmire of Vietnam, Carter was a good man personally but a weak man as a president and I think we all know about Bubba's wonderful legacy.

Now if Lincoln was here today he would be democrat no doubt about it.

Probably true - most likely a Democrat of the Strom Thurmond Dixiecrat vein.

[quote]"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."
"Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858)

You tell that to the people that are losing their jobs still.

I always thought TR was a great 20th century Republican president

the recession hasnt stopped eh?
well, lets see compare the stock market a year a go to now. now compare unemployment a year ago to now. stocks higher. unemployment lower. also, the recession sarted in jan. 2001, bush;s first budget wasnt until oct. of 2001/ also, unemployment right now is as low as when clinton ran for reelection in 1996. it is lower than any time during carter. or reagans first term. also, the stolcks have gone up more in the last year than they did in total from 1914 to 1988. so the recession is still on. my o my.

Probably true - most likely a Democrat of the Strom Thurmond Dixiecrat vein.

[quote]"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."
"Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858)


People change he did or as republicans like to call it flip flopping.

th last time unemployment was above the average of bill clintons years was last november. the last time we lsot jobs in a given month was october.

We were attack by terrorists from osama and saudis. Then we attack Iraq now what is wrong with that.

We were attacked by Al Qaeda, not the Saudis.
Usama deliberately recruited Saudis because he tried to stress the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the US.
Saudi has their own problems dealing with their own Wahabi sect of Islam.
They created a monster and it has now gotten out of control.

read my stats again superior. esp. stocks and jobs.

You guys aren't saying to much about bush jr

Actually, according to a recent Fox News poll Dubya is ranked #21 on the Best President's of All Time List, Clinton close with #24.

do u still stand by the foolishness it hasnt stop. an economist friend of mine said it ened two years ago.....

If lincoln were here he most likely would have avoided politics all together.

Al Qaeda is funded by the Saudis. Also isn't Osama a Saudis?

The unemployment rate during Clinton's "economic boom" was at 5.5% and Clinton called that "full employment".

Now the unemployment rate is 5.6% and the sky is falling.
:rolleyes:

Maybe people are starting to realize Clinton really did nothing to benefit the nation, but rather claimed credit for the long term achievements of republicans (ie Regan)

Al Qaeda is funded by the Saudis. Also isn't Osama a Saudis?
Usama WAS a Saudi that was KICKED OUT of Saudi Arabia.

And Al Qaeda is funded by a ton of different resources.

Actually, according to a recent Fox News poll Dubya is ranked #21 on the Best President's of All Time List, Clinton close with #24.

What ever is on fox news is a joke. When it is on abc,cbs, or nbc I will believe it.

u were speaking of a recession superior? read my stats!!!!!!!!!!! damn it read my posts please. or are u avoiding me.

the saudis caught bin laden and offered him to us? we refused to jail him. that was clinton for ya. nowadays hed be cooling his ass in guantano before who knows what. clinton let him go. are we still in a recession ( please look it up) even google it for crying out loud.

We were attack by terrorists from osama and saudis. Then we attack Iraq now what is wrong with that.

Terrorism knows no nationality. There are Americans in al-queda, does that mean we are in a civil war? no. We are at war against terrorism (see Afganistain). We are the most powerful nation in the world. I think we can handle three military operations at once (Afganistain, Iraq, homeland security).

just curious, how old are you? i am not asking this to be little you, I am just curious to see if you were old enaugh to remember Regan as president.

u were speaking of a recession superior? read my stats!!!!!!!!!!! damn it read my posts please. or are u avoiding me.

Of course....I post on another site and all I do is present facts.
The libs just gloss over it and move on to other issues.

Hey "Undecided".....most of the time I am the one that has to carry the load, but you've got this one handled, I can tell.
Keep up the great work.

I'm new here....I'll try to get on more in the future.
Gotta get my kids in bed.

Have a great one!
:)

i still want to know how manufacturing can be increasing at a rate not seen since 1984 while we are in recession? how does unemployment go down in a recession? how do stocks go up so damn much in a recession?

What ever is on fox news is a joke. When it is on abc,cbs, or nbc I will believe it.

Why is it that liberals believe a news station to be biased?

I try to look at Fox News from a Centrist view and I can't say I see how FN can be biased?

Can I get an explanation?

I am and I agree and disagree.

Let me ask you all another question. If you were the president and you were told the country was under attack not knowing what was attack, who attack, or how wouldn't you get up and say what the hell is going on instead of sitting there for 7 min's and reading for 4 of those? I know I would get up.

Just watch fox news. They appel to the republicans.

still want to know how manufacturing can be increasing at a rate not seen since 1984 while we are in recession? how does unemployment go down in a recession? how do stocks go up so damn much in a recession?

I am and I agree and disagree.

Let me ask you all another question. If you were the president and you were told the country was under attack not knowing what was attack, who attack, or how wouldn't you get up and say what the hell is going on instead of sitting there for 7 min's and reading for 4 of those? I know I would get up.

Uhhh....what'd you say?

please answer so i can move on

I am and I agree and disagree.

Let me ask you all another question. If you were the president and you were told the country was under attack not knowing what was attack, who attack, or how wouldn't you get up and say what the hell is going on instead of sitting there for 7 min's and reading for 4 of those? I know I would get up.

There ya go.
Show panic.
Get up and run out in front of a bunch of Kindergarteners.

Bush showed calm.
He knows this will be a long term issue.

There's the difference.
Liberals think for the now.
Conservatives think for the long term.

how does unemployment go down in a recession?
I'll tell you how. When someone's unemployment benefits run out, they are no longer considered unemployed. So, unemployment decreases when people are out of jobs for a very long time. That's why unemployment is down.

Just watch fox news. They appel to the republicans.

How so, does Colmes not get liberal air time?

Just because Bill O'Reilly is a conservative and gets his own show does not mean the entire station is Republican.

"I am and I agree and disagree."
That was to Undecided.

u are great also. hope to see u around here. i need help alot. lol like right now. superior wont answer me because im right. the recession is well over as all economists know. um, yeah. im still waiting.

You are wrong.

agree and disagree

This whole thread is so pointless....

Republicans and Democrats...Democrats and Republicans.

How can you categorize and generalize an entire political entity that claims a large portion of the nation based on the acts of a few representatives, especially when the only major opposition is from a party that is more similar than it is different?

Now here is my question for all you republicans. How would you rate Bush Jr on a 1 to 10 scale and say why.

I would say a 3 for his encomic policy, foreign policy, healthcare, and how he handled 9/11 info when he first got it.

Economic Policy: tax cuts then huge deficit spending? 3.5

Foreign Policy: poor handling of diplomacy, good job in Afghanistan at first, but screwed it up, complete melt down over Iraq 2

Healthcare: not his bailiwick (show me where the constitution gives the president power over healthcare, please! http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html)

Handling of 9/11: good at first, but has been derailed 3

(And I'll add.) Being a "true Republican": 0

Look at Dubya's latest "Doh!" moment
It is a thread in General.

Where are all the liberal heavy-hitters? MKULTRA, Berkylvania, we need you!!!!

(cause I'm going to go watch some TV now)

http://www.aflcio.org/mediacenter/prsptm/pr11062003a.cfm
the recession is over. i know thats hard for you to see as it doesnt fit wat u wish on mr. bush. but it is. it has been for a while. look at the indicators of the economy ...

The difference between Republicans and Democrats, if you really want to take a clear, yet very general stance on it, is the simple fact that the Republicans are run by Big Business, while the Democrats are run by Special Interests.

Just watch fox news. They appel to the republicans.
no, Fox News appeals to moderates. The problem the democraps have with Fox is the fact that there are fery few moderates in the democratic party right now.

I thought he was doing fine the first few months. I even believed his Iraq idea but it turns out he was wrong and I can no longer trust everything my leader says.

superior doesnt seem to understand the reality of that the recession is over. please, its getting sad. go look stuff up. look back at my posts at all the facts. look them up. every last one. if you find one that is false. one wrong statistic or year, naik me on it. until then, do some research! bye.

that is soooooo right

Foreign Policy: poor handling of diplomacy, good job in Afghanistan at first, but screwed it up, complete melt down over Iraq 2

Handling of 9/11: good at first, but has been derailed 3



How can you say this?
They said the same things about us in Germany in the immediate months after WWII.
Time will tell in Afghanistan and Iraq.

That was written in 2003. That is false. If anything I would believe it ended recently.

keep up the conservative end im off

I thought he was doing fine the first few months. I even believed his Iraq idea but it turns out he was wrong and I can no longer trust everything my leader says.

I still don't see how any of you can say this.
I say it's going better than any war in history.
The final chapter hasn't been written yet.

Where are all the liberal heavy-hitters? MKULTRA, Berkylvania, we need you!!!!

(cause I'm going to go watch some TV now)

I wouldn't consider MKULTRA a "heavy-hitter", from what I can tell all he seems to do is post useless threads copied and pasted from democracynow.com

I don't think I have ever seen him defend his arcticles, mainly he just says: "no, your wrong", "bush sucks", "bush is a dictator".

I would think a much better choice would be Stephistan or Zeppistan for a "liberal heavy-hitter", after all, they use lots of graphs and links.

I'm done too. Good Night.

The funny thing is, people keep on saying that Clinton was a great president. Honestly, he was the biggest disappointment of my life.

He was supposed to be this brillant guy...

and he does nothing, absolutely nothing...

keep up the conservative end im off

Same here.
Hope to catch you on again sometime.
:)

go look stuff up superior. look back at my posts at all the facts. look them up. every last one.from primary independent sources. if you find one that is false. one wrong statistic or year, nail me on it. until then, do some research! bye. good luck tampkoman

The funny thing is, people keep on saying that Clinton was a great president. Honestly, he was the biggest disappointment of my life.

He was supposed to be this brillant guy...

and he does nothing, absolutely nothing...


Agreed. I asked earlier for anyone to give me any major Clinton accomplishments.

The only thing I heard was crickets.
:p

I wouldn't consider MKULTRA a "heavy-hitter", from what I can tell all he seems to do is post useless threads copied and pasted from democracynow.com

I don't think I have ever seen him defend his arcticles, mainly he just says: "no, your wrong", "bush sucks", "bush is a dictator".

I would think a much better choice would be Stephistan or Zeppistan for a "liberal heavy-hitter", after all, they use lots of graphs and links.

I am deeply offended. I use graphs. I use links. I quote Jefferson. Mind you, I shot my entire debating wad on the "Missouri bans gay marriage" thread and now have a slight headache, but still...

It's the religion thing, right?

I am deeply offended. I use graphs. I use links. I quote Jefferson. Mind you, I shot my entire debating wad on the "Missouri bans gay marriage" thread and now have a slight headache, but still...

It's the religion thing, right?


Hehe, I meant that last snip to be sarcastic, guess you didn't pick it up? ;)

I am deeply offended. I use graphs. I use links. I quote Jefferson. Mind you, I shot my entire debating wad on the "Missouri bans gay marriage" thread and now have a slight headache, but still...

It's the religion thing, right?

Honestly, I think you lose a lot of your credibility when you start saying things like "I shot my debate wad"....

Honestly, I think you lose a lot of your credibility when you start saying things like "I shot my debate wad"....

Piffle. I'll have to let my accomplishments (as dubious as they may be) stand for themselves then.

Although, really, I think the term "wad" has gotten a bad rap. I mean, it's so multipurpose and all-encompasing.

Hehe, I meant that last snip to be sarcastic, guess you didn't pick it up? ;)

It's far too late in the evening for me to successfully register sarcasm where I live. :)

It's far too late in the evening for me to successfully register sarcasm where I live. :)

Yeah well...I bet Steph/Zeppistan would have noticed. ;)

Yeah well...I bet Steph/Zeppistan would have noticed. ;)

THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE BETTER THAN ME!!!!

*runs out of the thread, a sobbing, broken man*

You tell that to the people that are losing their jobs still.
Yeah, because people only lose jobs in a recession. If the total number of jobs is increasing, clearly we're all heading for unprecedented unemployment.

Foreign Policy: poor handling of diplomacy, good job in Afghanistan at first, but screwed it up, complete melt down over Iraq 2

Handling of 9/11: good at first, but has been derailed 3
How can you say this?
They said the same things about us in Germany in the immediate months after WWII.
Time will tell in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Poor handling of diplomacy:
The Bush administration has allowed itself to appear obnoxious, bull-headed, pushy, and overbearing with our allies, on issues ranging including the ICC, Kyoto, and Iraq. Bush wasted much of the worlds good will over the issue of Iraq. And a complete failure to build a meaningful coalition over Iraq.

Afghanistan:
By not securing the victory and reducing resources and troop levels before moving on to Iraq, and by not commiting sufficient resources for reconstruction, the administration has contributed to a resurrgent Taliban and set back our war effort.
Also note that most of Afghanistan outside of Kabulis controlled by Feudal warlords and local militias. This is the exact situation that led to the Taliban taking over in the first place.
Furthermore, insufficient US ground troops were commited to the to the capture of Osama Bin Laden, when he was cornered in the Tora Bora region.
Additionally, the treatment of prisoners, both in Afghanistan and Gitmo, has been criminal. Note that the denials of POW rights was a direct result of Bush's decision not to grant POW status to those who should have gotten it.
True not all the prisoners should have been accorded POW status, however a large number should have been. (This led directly to the abuse scandal in Iraq, BTW, as Abu Ghrabi was "Gitmoized".)

Iraq: This was an un-neccessary war, in the works since 2000 (a la the Project for the New American Century), that has made the world much more dangerous for the US.
The grounds for the war are highly questionable. Intelligence on the WMDs was horrible. It was either completely wrong, or failed to account for their transfere to Syria. (The Administration was listening to the wrong people like Chalabi.) The war was carried out on very shakey legal grounds. The UN resolutions used to justify the war are very unclear, and the Bush administration's legality case is very weak, at best. The doctrine of pre-emptive war is a major, and very questionable, departure from international law and US policy.

The diplomacy before the war was screwed up. The last war in Iraq was marked by our European allies and important Islamic nations joining us. The current administration effectively pushed them away. (The whole anti-French "Freedom Fries" thing smacks of junior high school, not high level diplomacy.)

Then the prosecution of the war was criminally bad. Troop levels were totally insufficient, and have remained so. The invasion force should have numbered
500,000 to 600,000. (Those figures are based on pentagon wargames, assesments by people like Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army War College's plans, and looking at troop levels in successful occupations, by the way). Instead it was 300,000. Those troop levels led to the messy occupation. An apparant lack of planning also contributed.

(Some recommended reading: The Bush Doctrine and War with Iraq (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:ZGrU26kCp8YJ:carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/03spring/record.htm+%22army+war+college%22+iraq&hl=en) by Jeffrey Record.

The handling of 9/11: I think the above comments handle this pretty well.

It is about time back ups came