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Idea taken by that topic where General Forum Posters are given royal positions...I feel it would be better if we had General Posters given ELECTED positions.

Nominate your ONE choice for ONE position. (please, I don't want a popularity contest. I want people who are actually BEST FITTED for the job. Last thing we want is MKULTRA as Prez. right?)

I don't know all the possible elected positions, so please help me add to it. One for each elected position and only ONE electable position! (ie: There can't be two Senators)

President:
Vice-President:
Prime Minister:
Secretary of State:
Secretary of Defense:
Senator:
Representative:


Nominations:
Nominations will be held in the respected threads of the various parties

UPDATE seperate threads authored by "Political Party Leaders" will be created in which nominations will be held there.

Citizen's Party Nominations Link (also serves as the thread where you request your own party and gain support for it):
-None yet-
Citizen's Party mainly fights for Civil Rights and Anti-Government opression

Technocrats Nominations Link:
-None yet-
Technocrat's Party promotes technology

Centrist Nominations Link:
-None yet-

I hope that more than one representative and senator is elected...

Can I nominate... Goed ... for Prime Minister

First you can't put in a Prime Minister with a President because they both pretty much have the same duties.

First you can't put in a Prime Minister with a President because they both pretty much have the same duties.
yeah but Prime-Minister is a lesser-President...and well, I figured we should have all possible positions.

First you can't put in a Prime Minister with a President because they both pretty much have the same duties.
I thought that there was a country somewhere that had a President and a Prime Minister?

Oh yea...didn't Germany have that at one point in time? Hitler got himself put in both slots?

(Someone want to nominate me for one of the Secretary slots?)

Hey does any country now have president and prime minister?

Hey does any country now have president and prime minister?
I don't know, but like I said, I'm pretty sure Germany had something to that effect. Maybe they still do?

We can do this like in England. A royal family and a government at the same time.

Oooh...suggestion...

After we get a lot of nominations, we'll have threads for debates between nominated candidates and then a poll and we'll really elect them all...

We'll just consider right now to be the primaries...

I thought that there was a country somewhere that had a President and a Prime Minister?


Eire (that's the Republic of Ireland, folks) and France certainly do, but the actually roles of the postions are radically different in the two countries.

We can do this like in England. A royal family and a government at the same time.
oh please, neither of them are held in high regard. Let's not compare us to England....*smug*

Oooh...suggestion...

After we get a lot of nominations, we'll have threads for debates between nominated candidates and then a poll and we'll really elect them all...

We'll just consider right now to be the primaries...
ooooo....nice

We can have people nominated for parties and everything!

But we'll need A LOT of topics...and I'll need help organizing.

We can do this like in England. A royal family and a government at the same time.

Note - I think you mean the United Kingdom rather than England. Mistaking England for the UK is like mistaking the Midwest for the USA.

Colodia, we'll make imaginery parties? You want to be the party leader for one and I'll be the party leader for the other? (We can still be nominated, but we'll just be in charge of organizing the parties and deciding on party platforms etc.)

Colodia, we'll make imaginery parties? You want to be the party leader for one and I'll be the party leader for the other? (We can still be nominated, but we'll just be in charge of organizing the parties and deciding on party platforms etc.)
good idea. Although...there should be more than two parties with all these opinions in NS....

yes, I'll be back in a while guys.

It's not a mistake. The royal family lives in England dude. I know it's called the UK, I simply don't care.

And mistaking the midwest for the USA is mistaking a minor region for an entire country.

That's different. Do me a favor and head off to Broadway, I hear they pay people to pretend to be intelligent.

To do this, this party/debate/monarchy/incipent hostility thing, don't you need some sort of general listing of the rights and responsibilities of government?

good idea. Although...there should be more than two parties with all these opinions in NS....

yes, I'll be back in a while guys.
Well...we'll start with two and if there is a strong push for thirds, fourths, fifths, et cetera, we'll find more party leaders.

After all the nominations are in and we decide on parties and candidates, we'll let the debates be used to draft up a Forum Constitution on rights and responsibilities we hold ourselves accountable for...then the constitution we draft can be up for ratification, then after the ratification of the constitution, we can hold the first election? And in the constitution, we'll make provisions for re-elections. I say we do it monthy?

After all the nominations are in and we decide on parties and candidates, we'll let the debates be used to draft up a Forum Constitution on rights and responsibilities we hold ourselves accountable for...then the constitution we draft can be up for ratification, then after the ratification of the constitution, we can hold the first election? And in the constitution, we'll make provisions for re-elections. I say we do it monthy?

Good. I just want to make sure there's something I can quote ad nauseum when someone pisses me off. :)

It's not a mistake. The royal family lives in England dude.

Except for when they live in Scotland, but you knew that anyway, I'm sure.

Do me a favor and head off to Broadway, I hear they pay people to pretend to be intelligent.

And the relevance of that to the matter at hand was what exactly? - it appears you are trying to imply something.

After all the nominations are in and we decide on parties and candidates, we'll let the debates be used to draft up a Forum Constitution on rights and responsibilities we hold ourselves accountable for...then the constitution we draft can be up for ratification, then after the ratification of the constitution, we can hold the first election? And in the constitution, we'll make provisions for re-elections. I say we do it monthy?

Actually...we will make just a base constitution with provisions for when elections are to be held and term limits and such and such and how to amend the constitution, and after that, we'll hold elections and hopefully get quite a few senators/representatives who can use their legislative powers to actually make the rest of the constitution.

I didn't know they were around Scotland. The main stuff goes on in England.

The relevance was that I see you as just another NS immature person trying to sound intelligent just because you may have knowledge in a certain area about history.

You aren't wording yourself well and you are bringing up irrelevant matters when this is not even a debate thread.


-Cuneo

General Forum Prince.

Okay, until Colodia gets back, I guess I'll just handle business for him...anyways, any other nominations?

I didn't know they were around Scotland. The main stuff goes on in England.

The relevance was that I see you as just another NS immature person trying to sound intelligent just because you may have knowledge in a certain area about history.

You aren't wording yourself well and you are bringing up irrelevant matters when this is not even a debate thread.


-Cuneo

General Forum Prince.

Well, I think BWO sort of lives in Ireland which, at least in part, is actually a part of the UK (I've never been quite sure about that particular distinction...which is, I guess, the ultimate source of the strife in that area). I think that gives him some credibility regarding this issue.

Okay, until Colodia gets back, I guess I'll just handle business for him...anyways, any other nominations?

Can we nominate ourselves? I never get nominated for anything, so I'm trying to be proactive.

I nominate Berkylvania, I know how it feels to not get nominated.

President:
Vice-President:
Prime Minister:
Secretary of State:
Secretary of Defense:
State Governor:
Lt. Governor:
Senator:
Representative:


Nominations:
Goed: Prime Minister (1)


I would also like (as Colodia requested) that you only nominate one person and for only one position. However, I would say we should let anyone be nominated for VP. The nominated President who is running can pick his running mate. Same goes for Gov/Lt.Gov (doesn't that work the same?).
Anyway, for those two positions, they'll campaign together. And I know Cabinet members are normally choosen by the pres, but I say we vote on them, that serves for less corruption.

I nominate Cuneo because I know which side my bread is buttered on.

Look, the first reciprocle (sp?) political deal of the burgeoning government. I feel elated and sleezy all at the same time. :)

You aren't wording yourself well and you are bringing up irrelevant matters when this is not even a debate thread.

No, merely just pointing out some facts about the actual political/royal system, seeing as how you advocated it as a model earlier but seemed ill-informed of the way it operated.

I won't bother to ask for an example of where I wasn't "wording" myself well, as the last time I checked that was a noun, rather than a verb, but since my presence here seems to cause you irritation I shall move on elsewhere.

Can we nominate ourselves? I never get nominated for anything, so I'm trying to be proactive.
I'd rather people not nominate themselves. I would've liked to nominate myself.

I nominate Cuneo because I know which side my bread is buttered on.

Look, the first reciprocle (sp?) political deal of the burgeoning government. I feel elated and sleezy all at the same time. :)
For what office? And Cuneo, what do you nominate Berkylvania for?

By the way, despite being party leaders, Colodia and I are up for nominations.

Well, I think BWO sort of lives in Ireland which, at least in part, is actually a part of the UK (I've never been quite sure about that particular distinction...which is, I guess, the ultimate source of the strife in that area).

Northern Ireland, actually, which is part of the ludicrously verbosely titled "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

(I said I wasn't going to be contributing any more to the thread, but I didn't want it to appear as if I was flying a flag of convenience here.)

thanks Opal, I may be gone a little while more than I expected. I hope to be back within 30-45 minutes...

No nominating yourself

thanks Opal, I may be gone a little while more than I expected. I hope to be back within 30-45 minutes...

No nominating yourself
No problem.

Can I get a nomination?

Cuneo...Berkyl nominated you, but did not specify an office. You also did not specify what office you nominated Berkylvania for.

Any office will do. Prime Minister, how bout that.

President:
Vice-President:
Prime Minister:
Secretary of State:
Secretary of Defense:
State Governor:
Lt. Governor:
Senator:
Representative:


Nominations:
Goed: Prime Minister (1)
Berkylvania: Prime Minster (1)

Do I have to wait for his specified nomination?

President:
Vice-President:
Prime Minister:
Secretary of State:
Secretary of Defense:
State Governor:
Lt. Governor:
Senator:
Representative:


Nominations:
Goed: Prime Minister (1)
Berkylvania: Prime Minster (1)
Cuneo Island: Unspecified as of yet (1)

Cuneo's nomination needs to be specified. It's like a politician being voted into an unspecified office.

Cuneo's nomination needs to be specified. It's like a politician being voted into an unspecified office.
I know. I'm just noting that he has been nominated but we need Berkyl to specify. If Berkyl doesn't specify, Cuneo will be removed. However, if someone else specifies (someone who hasn't nominated yet), then Berkyls nomination will count toward that specification.

I call leader of the Democratic Party!

I'll create a new topic in which our nominations will be held, and the Republican leader will make another in which their nominations will be held.

But I strongly encourage other parties as well.

The Democratic topic will be the place where people will request their parties for support in order to be known as a party.


Who's the Republican leader?

I nominate BWO for Prime Minister.

Shh! More later!

I'm the leader of the centrist party.

And don't you shit on me Colodia.

President:
Vice-President:
Prime Minister:
Secretary of State:
Secretary of Defense:
State Governor:
Lt. Governor:
Senator:
Representative:


Nominations:
Goed: Prime Minister (1)
Berkylvania: Prime Minster (1)
Cuneo Island: Unspecified as of yet (1)
Bodies Without Organs: Prime Minister (1)

Cuneo's nomination needs to be specified. It's like a politician being voted into an unspecified office.

And the fact that you have no job description for any of these makes the office specified how? :D

What's the "elected government" supposed to do?

And the fact that you have no job description for any of these makes the office specified how? :D

What's the "elected government" supposed to do?
A loose organization that makes rules that people who choose to be in the government hold themselves accountable to when making posts so that we may have more peaceful, productive debates?

Anyways, I suggest we not use "Democrat" and "Republican" parties...make up a new party name...completely original...

Anyways, I suggest we not use "Democrat" and "Republican" parties...make up a new party name...completely original...
Democrat -> Modern-Day Party
Republican -> Religous Party


or will that create flamed debates?

Okay, the Centrist party is now The Foxxinnian Wing because I founded it.
Am I'm it's leader!

And the fact that you have no job description for any of these makes the office specified how? :D

What's the "elected government" supposed to do?
ermm...hang on hang on

I gotta organize this...

Colodia, want to come up with job descs?

Senators and Congressmen would be in charge of voting on what rules to add and such to our constitution. The vice president would lead the senate...the prime minister could lead the house...not sure what Govs and Lt. Govs could do...

Democrat -> Modern-Day Party
Republican -> Religous Party


or will that create flamed debates?

A step in the wrong direction Colodia...

We should talk to the Mods before this goes outa' control.

We should talk to the Mods before this goes outa' control.
About what? The rules we're going to make are completely optional. If you agree to abide by them, you get to say you're part of the organization, if not, you're just a regular poster. All are welcome to join and abide by the rules. The rules would be things like "No flaming" and such. Reasonable rules.

I hereby form and claim leadership of the Technocratic Party.

Send me a telegram to join a party that promotes technology!

A step in the wrong direction Colodia...
hmm...what're your ideas?

So if you agree to be part of the government, you agree to certain rules on the forums. What happens when other people try to debate against those rules? Do you ignore them? :(

And even though I'm not sure why this job would be needed... I nominate Opal Isle for Sec. of Defense. :p

We should talk to the Mods before this goes outa' control.
we're not doing official stuff that decides the fate of NS....we're deciding the social status of General posters :D

hmm...what're your ideas?
Technocratic party...

oooooooh!

Vote me for Governator!!

So if you agree to be part of the government, you agree to certain rules on the forums. What happens when other people try to debate against those rules? Do you ignore them? :(

And even though I'm not sure why this job would be needed... I nominate Opal Isle for Sec. of Defense. :p
We don't ignore people who ignore the rules we set for ourselves. We just agree that debating goes a lot easier if we have respect for our opponent etc. So we'll try and uphold that high standard for ourself.

President:
Vice-President:
Prime Minister:
Secretary of State:
Secretary of Defense:
State Governor:
Lt. Governor:
Senator:
Representative:


Nominations:
Goed: Prime Minister (1)
Berkylvania: Prime Minster (1)
Cuneo Island: Unspecified as of yet (1)
Bodies Without Organs: Prime Minister (1)
Opal Isle: Secretary of Defense (1)

I actually think we don't need governor or lt. governor positions. We'll just have a lot of senators and representatives so that we can get people involved...

so...completly new parties then?

So I'll be leader of the...

Citizen's Party!

Fight for your rights! Don't be opressed! Stand up, show yourself, and be a CITIZEN!

By the way, in case anyone couldn't guess, Technocrats are liberal.

Let's base this off a different idea than just "Voting".

The parties each have people running in the race for President of General. The members of the parties vote for which person they like best. Then that person runs against the other canidates. Everyone votes for who they want. They don't have to stick to their party. The President apoints a Vice-President and his cabinet.

Then we have a vote for Representatives. One rep for every five people on the party. (This will change as more people join parties).

Then Parliment consists of 1 member for every 10 total people. (Also subject to change). Whoever has the most votes goes in.

Let's base this off a different idea than just "Voting".

The parties each have people running in the race for President of General. The members of the parties vote for which person they like best. Then that person runs against the other canidates. Everyone votes for who they want. They don't have to stick to their party. The President apoints a Vice-President and his cabinet.

Then we have a vote for Representatives. One rep for every five people on the party. (This will change as more people join parties).

Then Parliment consists of 1 member for every 10 total people. (Also subject to change). Whoever has the most votes goes in.
Hrm...I don't understand what you're saying...but let me see if this is it:

We do it like it is really done? We form parties, then the parties vote on who they want to run for President (in a closed, party member only election) and that president picks his VP and cabinet, and then that President and running mates campaign and debate against other parties and eventually we'll all vote for one party? I'm not sure I understand...

Yes, that would take the ease off voting, Foxx

Although I fear it would cause a popularity war if one party is filled with more popular/active people than another party...then again, it would be the same anyways wouldn't it?

Perhaps that is the best choice.

Hrm...I don't understand what you're saying...but let me see if this is it:

We do it like it is really done? We form parties, then the parties vote on who they want to run for President (in a closed, party member only election) and that president picks his VP and cabinet, and then that President and running mates campaign and debate against other parties and eventually we'll all vote for one party? I'm not sure I understand...
yes, as it's really done in America

I think those of you that are REALLY enthused about this (Opal Isle, Colodia, New Foxxinnia) need to go decide on the structure and then come back and hold elections.

Should we drop gov/lt. gov because I don't see what role they could possibly play...


Also, I think we should limit it to 4-5 parties for now until we have a huge interest in this. The way it is going now, we're going to have 30 participants and 30 different parties.

think we should take this to the IRC? nationstates_general?

I think those of you that are REALLY enthused about this (Opal Isle, Colodia, New Foxxinnia) need to go decide on the structure and then come back and hold elections.
Yea...we're deciding on the structure here...we'll start a new thread when we're deadset on what we want to do.

think we should take this to the IRC? nationstates_general?
Good idea...
but eventually, we'll start a thread for each party
and have elections...hrm, well, we'll decide.

What's the server for IRC by the way?

Hrm...I don't understand what you're saying...but let me see if this is it:

We do it like it is really done? We form parties, then the parties vote on who they want to run for President (in a closed, party member only election) and that president picks his VP and cabinet, and then that President and running mates campaign and debate against other parties and eventually we'll all vote for one party? I'm not sure I understand...Yes the closed parties vote for their nominee. The party's running-man selects a running mate then runs for prez against the other parties running prezs. Then they debate a while then it's election day.

Yes the closed parties vote for their nominee. The party's running-man selects a running mate then runs for prez against the other parties running prezs. Then they debate a while then it's election day.
Let's take it to IRC. I just need to know the server/channel.

I'm on nationstates and nationstates_general...

irc.esper.net 6667
#government

Are there any facist Jews here?