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....because Fox News is viewed in 51 foreign nations...sigh...

Who cares why....if it is not for one reason...it will be for another. We should stop trying to please the rest of the world so they won't be mad at us....they always will be for something. :rolleyes:

Who cares why....if it is not for one reason...it will be for another. We should stop trying to please the rest of the world so they won't be mad at us....they always will be for something. :rolleyes:

I think we have stopped trying to please the rest of the world. We've moved on to threatening now.

I think we have stopped trying to please the rest of the world. We've moved on to threatening now.


sarcastic post ^_^ Well we should just nuke all the countries that hate the USA back into the stone age. Then we wouldn't have to hear them bitch.

sarcastic post ^_^ Well we should just nuke all the countries that hate the USA back into the stone age. Then we wouldn't have to hear them bitch.

Ahh yes.... Wise Dubyan mentality... go for it.. we don't want to die a slow and painful death.. might as well be pleased nanoseconds before our deaths by the lightshow you'll put on.

Good point, because then we would be the only country in the world.

You could try paying off your debts to the UN, stop playing international policeman (or rather, stop pretending to be playing international policeman for your own national gain), start listening to UN resolutions, perhaps accept the UN child convention (USA and Somalia are the two countries that haven't accepted it yet) and such.

Ah, what the hell, just nuke the rest of the world till they quit their whining.

....because Fox News is viewed in 51 foreign nations...sigh...

That's just plain specious. Besides, since I know that this info came from O'Reilly's show just about a half-hour ago: why are you watching, if it's so bad?

Also, wouldn't a better title for your post be: "Why I hate the United States"?

Good point, we only have more debt to the UN than any country in the world because of our current President who has added dramatically to our debt.

Also, wouldn't a better title for your post be: "Why I hate the United States"?
No...
I feel America is hated because O'Reilly is a smacktard that gives a bad view of our country to people of other nations.

Good point, we only have more debt to the UN than any country in the world because of our current President who has added dramatically to our debt.
I may be a little to the left, but I'm not going to let you blame the US's UN debt solely on George. It's simply not true.

Two reasons: because we are, relatively speaking, wealthy and decadent, spreading our "hated" culture everywhere (right, McDonald's has no following in the places its gone, neither has American fashions...)...


And second, a belligerent and arrogant approach to foreign policy. Many of the things Bush is vilified for might not have drawn so much hatred if he didn't come out and tell the rest of the world he didn't care what they thought.

No...
I feel America is hated because O'Reilly is a smacktard that gives a bad view of our country to people of other nations.

Then why do you watch his show? Why would you give your support to someone whom you thought about that way?

Then why do you watch his show? Why would you give your support to someone whom you thought about that way?
1) CNN is talking about 3 boriing trials.
2) I like to bitch about how stupid people are. Bill O'Reilly makes for a lot of bitching.
3) His idiocy is entertaining.

However, I have more respect for Bill O'Reilly than I do for Sean Hannity. Especially after the when they had Robert Kennedy Jr. on.

My answer to the original question is: envy. They are envious of us; and when people envy, they begin to hate. They are angry that we have the wherewithal to do what we think is in our best interest without consulting them first. Note that we don't tell the French (for example) how to run their foreign policy. We ask them if they will support us, but if they don't, we respect their right not to support us. On the other hand, the French are angry with us because we will not alter our foreign policy to match their demands.

My answer to the original question is: envy. They are envious of us; and when people envy, they begin to hate. They are angry that we have the wherewithal to do what we think is in our best interest without consulting them first. Note that we don't tell the French (for example) how to run their foreign policy. We ask them if they will support us, but if they don't, we respect their right not to support us. On the other hand, the French are angry with us because we will not alter our foreign policy to match their demands.
We don't really respect France per se...and I'd like it if we didn't bash the French on this particular thread. They having nothing to do with this.

... Or possibly because you have 2 billion people under the rule of benevolent dictators, dictators YOU aided to get to the throne, and are still supporting..

And then you go bitching about Saddam, your former CIA operative, just because you have interests in the Middle East, especially Iraq. Well.. guess what those 2 billion will tell you when they do meet you face to face.. that's right.. a very warm and meaningful four-letter f-word, followed by the emphasized pronoun: "YOU!"...

1) CNN is talking about 3 boriing trials.
2) I like to bitch about how stupid people are. Bill O'Reilly makes for a lot of bitching.
3) His idiocy is entertaining.

However, I have more respect for Bill O'Reilly than I do for Sean Hannity. Especially after the when they had Robert Kennedy Jr. on.

You could do something other than watch TV ;)

By watching O'Reilly, you support his show. I think, either:
a) you secretly agree with him sometimes, or
b) you like to bitch :D (just kidding, I like to bitch too)

I do agree that Hannity is overbearing and pompous. His arguments aren't very good. Didn't see RFK Jr., but he's a hypocritical limo-liberal who probably deserved anything Sean is capable of throwing at him.

Uhm...if you're going to bash the US, don't use the pronoun "you"

I do agree that Hannity is overbearing and pompous. His arguments aren't very good. Didn't see RFK Jr., but he's a hypocritical limo-liberal who probably deserved anything Sean is capable of throwing at him.
No...he didn't deserve alll of what Hannity was dealing out...

By watching O'Reilly, you support his show. I think, either:
a) you secretly agree with him sometimes, or
b) you like to bitch :D (just kidding, I like to bitch too)
B. Definitely.

We don't really respect France per se...and I'd like it if we didn't bash the French on this particular thread. They having nothing to do with this.

Wait a minute. Isn't this supposed to be: Why the world hates the U.S.? Isn't France part of that world?

What I said was: we respect France's right to not support us. I didn't say we respect them. Besides, with the way they've treated the U.S., they don't deserve my respect; they haven't earned it. Respect is not a right, it must be earned.

An Iraqi sees an American.. any American.. walking down the road in Baghdad. Said Iraqi just lost his family in an AH-64 attack.. What will said Iraqi do?

A: Discuss US foreign policy with American in a firm, but civilized way
B: Shout the phrase mentioned earlier, possibly followed by smashing said American's head in?

B most likely..

Wait a minute. Isn't this supposed to be: Why the world hates the U.S.? Isn't France part of that world?

What I said was: we respect France's right to not support us. I didn't say we respect them. Besides, with the way they've treated the U.S., they don't deserve my respect; they haven't earned it. Respect is not a right, it must be earned.
Standing up for what you think is right definitely does not deem you worthy of respect.

Not being military experts in the 20th Century definitely means your country has nothing else to respect.

Being the reason America is not "British American" definitely isn't respectable.

An Iraqi sees an American.. any American.. walking down the road in Baghdad. Said Iraqi just lost his family in an AH-64 attack.. What will said Iraqi do?

A: Discuss US foreign policy with American in a firm, but civilized way
B: Shout the phrase mentioned earlier, possibly followed by smashing said American's head in?

B most likely..

Followed closely by said Iraqi's death at the hands of Iraqi police and American troops. Followed by more AH-64 attacks on the terrorist elements, until they are all dead or decide it ain't worth it anymore, until they stop behaving like savages.

Wait a minute. Isn't this supposed to be: Why the world hates the U.S.? Isn't France part of that world?

What I said was: we respect France's right to not support us. I didn't say we respect them. Besides, with the way they've treated the U.S., they don't deserve my respect; they haven't earned it. Respect is not a right, it must be earned.
France is part of the world indeed. But this isn't "Hey Americans, let's bash the world (most especially the French)" This is "Why the world hates the French." Although, the French probably hate America because it's full of idiots like you who have such disrespect for them for little or no real reason.

Standing up for what you think is right definitely does not deem you worthy of respect.

Not being military experts in the 20th Century definitely means your country has nothing else to respect.

Being the reason America is not "British American" definitely isn't respectable.

I'm sorry, I really don't understand any of this. Can you re-phrase it?

So that is why?


We American Bastards...

France is part of the world indeed. But this isn't "Hey Americans, let's bash the world (most especially the French)" This is "Why the world hates the French." Although, the French probably hate America because it's full of idiots like you who have such disrespect for them for little or no real reason.

I'll make you a deal. I will stop bashing the French if you stop bashing me. I thought we were having a decent discussion, then suddenly I'm an idiot. Sheesh...

You could try paying off your debts to the UN, stop playing international policeman (or rather, stop pretending to be playing international policeman for your own national gain), start listening to UN resolutions, perhaps accept the UN child convention (USA and Somalia are the two countries that haven't accepted it yet) and such.

Ah, what the hell, just nuke the rest of the world till they quit their whining.

All excellent points...especially the one I bolded. :)

I'm sorry, I really don't understand any of this. Can you re-phrase it?
It's called sarcasm...


Standing up for what you think is right definitely does not deem you worthy of respect.

Not being military experts in the 20th Century definitely means your country has nothing else to respect.

Being the reason America is not "British American" definitely isn't respectable.

France felt there wasn't reason enough to go to Iraq. Therefore, instead of being bullied by the United States like so many other countries in the world, they stayed out and made their own decisions on Iraq. I respect that.

Just because France sucked in the two world wars doesn't mean they've always been a crappy military. Heard of Napoleon and his France? How about Charlemagne and his France? Charlemagne controlled almost all of Europe....

France helped the US out a lot in their revolutionary war.

I'll make you a deal. I will stop bashing the French if you stop bashing me. I thought we were having a decent discussion, then suddenly I'm an idiot. Sheesh...
I'm only bashing on you because you're bashing on the French for no reason.

It's called sarcasm...




France felt there wasn't reason enough to go to Iraq. Therefore, instead of being bullied by the United States like so many other countries in the world, they stayed out and made their own decisions on Iraq. I respect that.

Just because France sucked in the two world wars doesn't mean they've always been a crappy military. Heard of Napoleon and his France? How about Charlemagne and his France? Charlemagne controlled almost all of Europe....

France helped the US out a lot in their revolutionary war.

Okay, now I get it. The military part threw me, because I never mentioned France's military, or the Revolutionary War, for that matter.

So, we bullied all 31 nations that have troops in Iraq? What about those that don't have troops, but are helping in other ways (that's about another 30 countries)? They were all "bullied?"

So, we bullied all 31 nations that have troops in Iraq? What about those that don't have troops, but are helping in other ways (that's about another 30 countries)? They were all "bullied?"
I'd say Afghanistan most definitely was...

But that's not the point. It isn't fair for you to hate France because they look at the world in a less imperialistic way these days...

Okay, now I get it. The military part threw me, because I never mentioned France's military, or the Revolutionary War, for that matter.

I was just giving counter-points to the most common insults the French get...and giving you reasons to respect the French.

Respect is not a right, it must be earned.
And this is in a nuttshell why America is hated globally. Cause they think above phrase applies to everyone except themselves. Everyone should respect America but America doesn't need to respect anybody else.

Followed closely by said Iraqi's death at the hands of Iraqi police and American troops. Followed by more AH-64 attacks on the terrorist elements, until they are all dead or decide it ain't worth it anymore, until they stop behaving like savages.

Why is anything Iraqi freedom fighters (and I use this term deliberately, rather than terrorist, but only applied to Iraqi's attacking foreign invaders) do savage, but anything the US or it's allies do isn't?

For instance - why is beheading an innocent westerner any more barbaric than beating to death or raping a prisoner of war? And don't tell me all those in custody are terrorists - half haven't even had formal charges laid against them, none have had any legal council, and some have been let go for lack of evidence after being held for months.

IMHO, it's racism, pure and simple - anything the evil, greasy middle easterners (to use a stereotype) do is "barbaric", because in your minds you have already labelled them barbarians simply by their race.

Think about the tables turned - if a foreign force ousted Dubbya because he was an "evil dictator", then proceeded to occupy the USA, torture and kill American POWs, kill your family in an artillery or bombing run, and kill your countrymen while smiling and laughing, wouldn't you want to strike back? And don't romanticise the fact that "oh, if it was me I'd only go after military targets", if your being honest with yourself, you would probably kill any "whiteskins" that you could get away with, military or civilian.

This doesn't make killing civilians OK, but it sure goes a long way to explaining their mindset.

So, we bullied all 31 nations that have troops in Iraq? What about those that don't have troops, but are helping in other ways (that's about another 30 countries)? They were all "bullied?"

No, you certainly didn't bully all 31 nations into it - some were asslickers toadying to the mighty USofA (England & Australia, for example). Others, the smaller, struggling nations, we're subtly threatened with withdrawal of econmomic aid. I'm sure some (maybe 3 or 4) did actually join because they thought it was the right thing to do, or exisiting vendettas against Iraq ;)

I am all for my country don't get me wrong but we are no longer the land of the free with all these rules being imposed on us...... I think the rest of the world really has a right not to hate us but to hate the powers that tell us how we have to live our lives, what we can and cannot do, etc. The U.S is turning into a tyranical nation........ and we're voting the ahem.... in..... yeah, they have a right cause we run all over them, throw down legitimate governments and then impose ours. and ours is a crock of bull.

Can people stop refering to the US as "you"? We may be democratic, but we most certainly don't make any decisions concerning foreign policy...and we most certainly didn't pick Bush. He won because our system makes some people's votes worth more.

I'd say Afghanistan most definitely was...

But that's not the point. It isn't fair for you to hate France because they look at the world in a less imperialistic way these days...

That's not the point? You brought it up. I'm just trying to keep you honest. Do you really believe they were "bullied?" And if you want to go down this road, you should define what you mean by "bullied" and how that definition applies to those countries.

Can people stop refering to the US as "you"? We may be democratic, but we most certainly don't make any decisions concerning foreign policy...and we most certainly didn't pick Bush. He won because our system makes some people's votes worth more.

Fair point.

Speaking for myself, when I say you, I am generally referring to a specific Bush supporter that I am replying to.

That's not the point? You brought it up. I'm just trying to keep you honest. Do you really believe they were "bullied?" And if you want to go down this road, you should define what you mean by "bullied" and how that definition applies to those countries.
The point was that France made up its mind and it was different than that of Bush's and therefore the Republicans hate France. That's not really being "Fair and Balanced" to the French now is it?

Why is anything Iraqi freedom fighters (and I use this term deliberately, rather than terrorist, but only applied to Iraqi's attacking foreign invaders) do savage, but anything the US or it's allies do isn't?

For instance - why is beheading an innocent westerner any more barbaric than beating to death or raping a prisoner of war? And don't tell me all those in custody are terrorists - half haven't even had formal charges laid against them, none have had any legal council, and some have been let go for lack of evidence after being held for months.

IMHO, it's racism, pure and simple - anything the evil, greasy middle easterners (to use a stereotype) do is "barbaric", because in your minds you have already labelled them barbarians simply by their race.

Think about the tables turned - if a foreign force ousted Dubbya because he was an "evil dictator", then proceeded to occupy the USA, torture and kill American POWs, kill your family in an artillery or bombing run, and kill your countrymen while smiling and laughing, wouldn't you want to strike back? And don't romanticise the fact that "oh, if it was me I'd only go after military targets", if your being honest with yourself, you would probably kill any "whiteskins" that you could get away with, military or civilian.

This doesn't make killing civilians OK, but it sure goes a long way to explaining their mindset.

It has nothing to do with racism, cool your jets.

Religious fanatics that target civilians for death in order to cause fear for political gain are, by definition, terrorists. They are behaving like savages.

--edit-- Also, they are not attacking primarily "foreign invaders." Most of the victims in the last several months have been Iraqis.

It has nothing to do with racism, cool your jets.

Religious fanatics that target civilians for death in order to cause fear for political gain are, by definition, terrorists. They are behaving like savages.
Kinda like the Americans. When they bomb civi's from a high altitude with high tech weapons. And then call it colleteral damage.

Kinda like the Americans. When they bomb civi's from a high altitude with high tech weapons. And then call it colleteral damage.
Or how about religious fanatics bombing abortion clinics...

Or how about religious fanatics bombing abortion clinics...
Yep. For the glory of God and to protect live. How more cynical can you get?

It has nothing to do with racism, cool your jets.

Religious fanatics that target civilians for death in order to cause fear for political gain are, by definition, terrorists. They are behaving like savages.

OK, but are coalition military troops who have raped or beaten to death POWs not also savages?

OK, but are coalition military troops who have raped or beaten to death POWs not also savages?
No, that was in the name of the dolla...errm..freedom..yeah..thats the word.

OK, but are coalition military troops who have raped or beaten to death POWs not also savages?

Those tiny few who are guilty of these acts are punished by our own system. The terrorists do not act likewise.

Why is anything Iraqi freedom fighters (and I use this term deliberately, rather than terrorist, but only applied to Iraqi's attacking foreign invaders) do savage, but anything the US or it's allies do isn't?

Freedom fighter, terrorists, extremists, patriots, whatever, they all mean the same damn thing. It's just how nice you want to phrase it. It's like calling someone who's fat, overweight, instead of calling them fat, politically correct, nothing more. It applies only to those "Iraqi freedom fighters" and/or terrorists because it is WE that are doing the talking, and being stupid in the process. Do you think the Iraqis are standing around going "hmmmm you know, it's not fair to call them infidels, let's be more fair, we'll call them an "unwelcome foreign military presence".

For instance - why is beheading an innocent westerner any more barbaric than beating to death or raping a prisoner of war? And don't tell me all those in custody are terrorists - half haven't even had formal charges laid against them, none have had any legal council, and some have been let go for lack of evidence after being held for months.

It isn't. The point here is that the beating to death/raping a PoW with no proof against them personally is NOT sanctioned by the U.S government, regardless of what conspiracy theories you choose to spout off. Beheading an innocent westerner (or any other kidnapee for that matter, hehe I just invented a new word I think...) is organized by these groups we are opposing, i.e what we call "terrorist" groups.

IMHO, it's racism, pure and simple - anything the evil, greasy middle easterners (to use a stereotype) do is "barbaric", because in your minds you have already labelled them barbarians simply by their race.

It has nothing to do with the fact that they are middle eastern, and everything to do with the fact they are the ENEMY. If our enemies were asian or something, that hatred would be redirected to asians. If we were middle eastern and we were fighting a caucasian enemy, that hatred would be towards caucasians. I see nothing wrong with calling these "freedom-fighters" terrorists, and I have friends of middle-eastern descent, so I'm far from racist.

Think about the tables turned - if a foreign force ousted Dubbya because he was an "evil dictator", then proceeded to occupy the USA, torture and kill American POWs, kill your family in an artillery or bombing run, and kill your countrymen while smiling and laughing, wouldn't you want to strike back? And don't romanticise the fact that "oh, if it was me I'd only go after military targets", if your being honest with yourself, you would probably kill any "whiteskins" that you could get away with, military or civilian.

I wouldn't be blowing up my own people in the process, which they do with the suicide bombings (which IMO is a very cowardly way to operate). I don't blame the Iraqis for fighting back, but why should that change who I support? I am on THIS side, why should I support the other side simply because they have every right to fight back?

This doesn't make killing civilians OK, but it sure goes a long way to explaining their mindset.


I have to have something posted outside the quote, so... the bolded are my comments of course.

Or how about religious fanatics bombing abortion clinics...

The world hates the U.S. because a couple of aberrants bomb abortion clinics? Wow, I didn't know they even cared about that!

Hint: try to stay on topic. And be careful about any assumptions regarding my political affiliations or philosophy.

OK, but are coalition military troops who have raped or beaten to death POWs not also savages?

Yes, they are.

Go complain about all the countries in the coalition, if you want to be fair. I doubt you do, though.

It has nothing to do with racism, cool your jets.

Religious fanatics that target civilians for death in order to cause fear for political gain are, by definition, terrorists. They are behaving like savages.

I wasn't making an assumption. I was making a point. (EDIT: In response to this post.)

Those tiny few who are guilty of these acts are punished by our own system. The terrorists do not act likewise.

FFS, someone answer the question - are they savages - I'll make it easy:

A. YES

B. NO

I wasn't making an assumption. I was making a point. (EDIT: In response to this post.)

I don't see what that has to do with other countries hating the U.S., or the situation in Iraq. It's purely an internal matter. Are those guys terrorists? Absolutely. But they are only attacking other Americans, so it of no consequence to other nations, just as Timothy McVeigh was none of their concern.

Yes, they are.
Someone has.

Yes, they are.

Go complain about all the countries in the coalition, if you want to be fair. I doubt you do, though.

I made a point of stating coalition troops didn't I? I would have said US troops if I wanted to have tunnel vision on the USA.

I don't see what that has to do with other countries hating the U.S., or the situation in Iraq. It's purely an internal matter. Are those guys terrorists? Absolutely. But they are only attacking other Americans, so it of no consequence to other nations, just as Timothy McVeigh was none of their concern.
...uh...you're talking about Iraqis who are...only killing...Iraqis and foreign invaders...

FFS, someone answer the question - are they savages - I'll make it easy:

A. YES

B. NO

Katganistan answered it, two posts above yours.

Do try to keep up ;)

I made a point of stating coalition troops didn't I? I would have said US troops if I wanted to have tunnel vision on the USA.
Don't worry. I will do it for you.
Originally Posted by New Fubaria
OK, but are US military troops who have raped or beaten to death POWs not also savages?

Someone has.

Thanks for that - could be that it was posted while I was typing my response - I'm trying to make a cup of coffee at the same time ;)

But, far more dodged the question than gave a yes/no answer. :)

Don't worry. I will do it for you.
Originally Posted by New Fubaria
OK, but are US military troops who have raped or beaten to death POWs not also savages?


Fair enough, I missed that in the post before. I'll freely admit when I make an error. :)

Still, the topic is "Why the world hates the United States" and not "Why the world hates the Coalition of the Willing". ;)

...uh...you're talking about Iraqis who are...only killing...Iraqis and foreign invaders...

So we have homegrown terrorists too...what's your point? Also, the scale is not even comparable to the scale of terrorism coming from Muslim fanatics, and doesn't threaten any other countries (i.e., is not trans-national).

So we have homegrown terrorists too...what's your point? Also, the scale is not even comparable to the scale of terrorism coming from Muslim fanatics, and doesn't threaten any other countries (i.e., is not trans-national).
Iraqis killing people in Iraq isn't really transnational.

I have to have something posted outside the quote, so... the bolded are my comments of course.


I wouldn't be blowing up my own people in the process, which they do with the suicide bombings (which IMO is a very cowardly way to operate). I don't blame the Iraqis for fighting back, but why should that change who I support? I am on THIS side, why should I support the other side simply because they have every right to fight back?


I would call coward an army with f16 bombing a gorup of mud made houses
bat that's a point of view.
They blow themselfs because:
1) their religion glorifies dying in action
2) that's the only way they can fight without being massacred by tanks

i don't say that's fair, but US called it a war firstly, and in war u know
there are a lot of rules but only a few are respected.
And don't think that all the trasgressor will be discovered and punished
(do u think that there would have been a process to the US militaries
if those photos of tortures hadn't popped out?)
So now US calls war fighting a group of terrorists and then blames
them for their "way" of fighting, its as if samurai asked the english not
to use their rifles because it wasn't fair..

I still think that this is a colonial war.. don't u?

I have to have something posted outside the quote, so... the bolded are my comments of course.

So to sum up your reply - you have no interest in trying to undertand your enemy, and accept that they are your enemy simply becuase your leader and his pet media tell you so...am I right?



[Unfortunately quotes within quotes get chopped by the forums]

Well, I think that the U.S. goverment should:

a) Stop messing with other nations sovereignty when they please.

b)Abide to the same international law that they enforce (now, tell me that the treatment received by the iraqui POW and Saddam's televised physical examination is not a transgression of the Ginebra pact, America would have bombed the crap out of any country that did any such things).

c) Parctice the ancient art of KEEPING THEIR WORD (promising the kurds that they would support their rebellion against Saddam's regime and then leave them to their own luck, wich was being massacred by the iraqui military)

d) CLEANING UP THE MESSES THEY CREATED preferently not involving air bombing (we all know the case of Afghanistan, the two world powers disputed that rather insignificant but still sovereign nation, the Soviet Union sent their troops, the U.S. their intelligence agents to seek for resistance to encourage and equip, after the Soviets were gone the little country was left in chaos and ravaged by civil war, then Taliban arised from the ashes of the nation and the rest is history).

Well that's what I can think of now, calling Americans "you" is xenophobic don't you guys think? (I'm not american, BTW).

Hmm...

Phase 1 of American imperialism:
Install anti-communist dictatorship or totalitarianist forms of government (see Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan).

Phase 2:
When said ant-communist dictatorship turns against communism, make them out to be an enemy.

Phase 3:
After years of molding them into an enemy (or a stroke of luck) (as in... 9-11 for Afghanistan), convince the American public they country is a threat and go in and replace the totalitarianism with a puppet government.

Looks like Afghanistan is finishing up Phase 3, Iraq is about half way through Phase 3, and Cuba is still working on finishing up Phase 2.

Did Galtania ever pause to wonder why terrorism exists in such a large scale in the middle east and why their target of all possible nations happens to be the USA?

Did Galtania ever pause to wonder why terrorism exists in such a large scale in the middle east and why their target of all possible nations happen to be the USA?
Because their jelouse of the US's wealth, power and outstanding respect for other cultures?

Because their jelouse of the US's wealth, power and outstanding respect for other cultures?
By wealth, do you mean our 5 trillion surplus...err...uh...

By outstanding respect for other cultures, would the French culture be the best example...

By wealth, do you mean our 5 trillion surplus...err...uh...

By outstanding respect for other cultures, would the French culture be the best example...
Or that what Purly Euclied is promoting. The agressive eradication of all non US cultures.

Because their jelouse of the US's wealth, power and outstanding respect for other cultures?

Of course, I should've known.

Did Galtania ever pause to wonder why terrorism exists in such a large scale in the middle east and why their target of all possible nations happens to be the USA?

Yes. Terrorism exists in such a large scale in the Middle East because it is driven by religious fanatics. They have stated they wish Islam to rule the world, and that they are justified in murder because their targets are "infidels" and "apostates."

BTW, their target is not only the U.S., it is Western civilization, indeed anything non-Muslim. Witness their repression of Jews, Buddhists, and Christians of any nationality. For anyone to believe for a moment that they are immune to the terrorists' murder because they're not an American is naive.

We don't really respect France per se...and I'd like it if we didn't bash the French on this particular thread. They having nothing to do with this.


Maybe I am mistaken but this thread is Why the WORLD hates us. Last time I checked a world map France was there, so I guess that makes them target for this conversation. Maybe I shouldn't have used target but you get the idea.

Maybe I am mistaken but this thread is Why the WORLD hates us. Last time I checked a world map France was there, so I guess that makes them target for this conversation. Maybe I shouldn't have used target but you get the idea.
Well, if you would have read my other post, you would have got something like this out of it:

Yes, France is indeed part of the world, but is the title of this thread "Why Republican Goonies hate France" or is it "Why the world hates the United States..."? I think that means we give reasons the world has the United States, not why the United States hates France and the world.

Yes. Terrorism exists in such a large scale in the Middle East because it is driven by religious fanatics. They have stated they wish Islam to rule the world, and that they are justified in murder because their targets are "infidels" and "apostates."
And how is that so much different from what the US is doing hmm? Invading foreign countries, pushing their democracy on them. Wether they want it or not. Establishing puppet governments, labelling the "infidels" terrorists etc....

Yes. Terrorism exists in such a large scale in the Middle East because it is driven by religious fanatics. They have stated they wish Islam to rule the world, and that they are justified in murder because their targets are "infidels" and "apostates."

BTW, their target is not only the U.S., it is Western civilization, indeed anything non-Muslim. Witness their repression of Jews, Buddhists, and Christians of any nationality. For anyone to believe for a moment that they are immune to the terrorists' murder because they're not an American is naive.

I have never said that they're immune, however I can't say my everyday life in Europe has been bothered by terrorism now or ever. And a few may be religious fanatics but in no nation, ever, has the majority of the population been fundamentalists of any religion. The reason people of the middle east are attracted to such movements is that the US has been playing middle east countries against each other for decades in their attempts to lower oil prices.

In answer to the topic question, most of the world doesn't hate the USA, except of course for the teeming billions who, thanks to mostly American corporations and dictators propped up by the USA (of course, the US only loves dictators that are going to let the corporations in), are doomed to spend most of their life working in some sweatshop for forty cents a day. They may hate the US. And the millions of people that live in Iraq (and other countries, if you're looking at the past, too) that live in daily fear of their lives because the US, let's face it, wants access to its oil, and those that wish the US actually would try to help them but unfortunately dont have enough oil to make it worth the while, well, they might hate the US. And then there's everyone that just wishes the world's superpower would at least ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, or agree to follow the Kyoto Protocol...well, they certainly aren't the biggest fans of the Stars and Stripes.

Everyone else doesn't hate the US. They're just laughing at you.

labelling the "infidels" terrorists etc....

I believe that once you stop targeting military personnel and begin targeting cilivians to cause fear and terror you earn the label terrorist. Just having a different religious beliefs does not earn you the label terrorist... Cultist perhaps but not terrorist.

I can't say my everyday life in Europe has been bothered by terrorism now or ever.

I take it you don't live in Madrid? What about Rome, Athens, or London? All have been targets of trans-national terrorism. And many more European cities also.

I take it you don't live in Madrid? What about Rome, Athens, or London? All have been targets of trans-national terrorism. And many more European cities also.

That's a valid point. What I said about the US being the only target was bullshit, granted. Still, I believe it to be the main target, the rest of the western world are just seen as lackeys of the US. Or the blame falls on the entire western culture and not just the US. It adds up to pretty much the same.

I don't post that often in the forum (I think this will be my 3rd post - not for certain as I haven't counted them), so if I sound new - basically because I am. First off, yes I am an American. I am proud to be an American, but not real proud of my country's leaders actions over the past few years. They definitely leave quite a bit to desire.

I can see why many other nations can't stand the United States and it is a wonder we have any allies left. I know this thread is "Why the world hates the Unites States", but other nations have done many things wrong in the past and no doubt will again. This in no way or form is an excuse for the way America has acted. I am not trying to say we have been wrongly accused or to plead for forgiveness.

I have always felt that we should not be in Iraq - that there was a better way to handle the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks (and the other attacks). I have read that some hates us because we are basically greedy oil hogs (not exact wording from posts), but America is not the only country that is greedy about the Middle East oil (maybe we are the greediest, but others are guilty as well).

I guess, basically, I feel like and trying (poorly) to say that we are a young country (compared to the other strongest nations) and we are still learning (not an excuse). Maybe if America and the other countries stop pointing fingers (and acting like children fighting over broken toys) things would not be so bad.

Sometimes it just seems like most of the world sees America as an immoral, lazy, good-for-nothing bunch of idiots when in truth many (I will say 88%) of America has decent values. It is the other part (the 12%) that the world seems to see the most.....sort of the like the relative that the whole family is ashamed of and wants to hide from when they visit.

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Why can't you keep up? This is my 2,274th post and I'm 100% positive of it. I've kept up my counting...

Because their jelouse of the US's wealth, power and outstanding respect for other cultures?

ROTFLMAO - oh man, you outta take that show on the road, you're a natural! That is, without doubt, the funniest thing I've read in about a month - thank you! :)

you DO Know that this is all Greed from the white man.
---VOTE BLACK PRESIDENT.---


In all seriousness though. They dont like us because they dissagree with our policies.

Yes. Terrorism exists in such a large scale in the Middle East because it is driven by religious fanatics. They have stated they wish Islam to rule the world, and that they are justified in murder because their targets are "infidels" and "apostates."

BTW, their target is not only the U.S., it is Western civilization, indeed anything non-Muslim. Witness their repression of Jews, Buddhists, and Christians of any nationality. For anyone to believe for a moment that they are immune to the terrorists' murder because they're not an American is naive.

I think it would be more naieve to assume that terrorism against the US is fueld mainly by religious fanatcism. Sure, that's the hook a lot of terrorist groups used to recruit and whip their members up into a frenzy, but the underlying cause for the USA being the primary target is this: over the last several deades, the USA has had the most selfish, self-serving, f**k em all so long as we get what we want foreign policies of any country in the world...ever! Well, with the possible exceptions of Anient Rome, Colonial Britain and Nazi Germany.

If you stop f**king with other countries internal politics, terrorism directed against the USA will reduce - I guarantee you. It won't stop over night - it may never stop at all. But it WILL definitely be reduced, drastically, over enough time.

Here's a brainteaser for you - how many "Christian" countries have been targetted by Muslim terrorists in recent times outside of those involved in the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan? It's a very small number (if any at all)compared to those inside the coalition. Facts don't lie - go read up on it for your own education.

I am NOT saying that there aren't Muslim extremists calling for the death of all non-Muslims. Obviously there are some. But compared to the bulk of the other millions of Muslims around the world, these extremists are a very small percentage. I have known and worked with several Muslim people. Most have been friendly toward me, even knowing that I am a non-Muslim. Some have been assholes - but guess what - some Christians I've worked with have been assholes too.

You think that the Koran preaches vilence against infidels - well it doesn't have a monopoly on that, does it now? Read the Bible sometime - it's chock full of "smite thine enemy" and "kill the non-believer" stories and lessons.

I honestly think most of the people who come in here spouting claptrap about the "evil Muslims" have based their world outlook primarily on B-grade action movies. Muslims are people too, just like you and me, no matter how you might wish otherwise. They don't have horns, hooves or tails...

We should stop trying to please the rest of the world so they won't be mad at us...

[chokes on coffee]

Sweet Jesus. I'd hate to see what it would be like when the US wasn't trying to please the rest of the world. What would they do then? Bomb France? Shut down the borders? Annexe Canada? :eek:

My answer to the original question is: envy. They are envious of us; and when people envy, they begin to hate. They are angry that we have the wherewithal to do what we think is in our best interest without consulting them first. Note that we don't tell the French (for example) how to run their foreign policy. We ask them if they will support us, but if they don't, we respect their right not to support us. On the other hand, the French are angry with us because we will not alter our foreign policy to match their demands.
Oh, so that's what 'if you are not with us, you are against us' means....
And yes it must be envy, and not the fact that people value their freedom. That's why before Bush came into power, when the economy was much better than it is now, less people hated America, they are all jealous of the fact that the economy is taking a dive, that it's apparently not safe to have financial institutions that dont come complete with Orwellian like semi-automatic gun toting 'law enforcement officers' and that Americans cant even borrow books from the library without it being a case worthy of Federal investigation. Gotta feel sorry for the poor envious plebs, if only they too could have as many homeless people as the US, as many people working multiple jobs just to not make a living, if only they too could have a leader that states 'we dont need the UN' then a few months later whines 'where is the UN when I need them to clean up my mess'. Those poor foreigners, my heart truely goes out to them....

Yes. Terrorism exists in such a large scale in the Middle East because it is driven by religious fanatics. They have stated they wish Islam to rule the world, and that they are justified in murder because their targets are "infidels" and "apostates."

BTW, their target is not only the U.S., it is Western civilization, indeed anything non-Muslim. Witness their repression of Jews, Buddhists, and Christians of any nationality. For anyone to believe for a moment that they are immune to the terrorists' murder because they're not an American is naive.

Religious terrorism is only a small part of the whole, and the major target
IS the US because it won't stop interfering with others nation's policies.
It's oil lust is an old story, think about palestine and israel, they pushed
jews there, it was like saying that because once Rome had control over
most of europe now Italy should annex Germany France ecc...

US has been trying to get a base in middle east for a long time, and
the locals don't like it (i wouldn't like it neither) cause they don't like
US culture, US way of acting, US brute militaries and US way of "imposing
democracy" (its an oxymoron doesn't it?)

Remember that none elected the US as Supernation and Defensor of the world..

As an American I think we should leave all other countries alone and when they start havin problems let them come beggin for help remember all of you Euro's would probably be speakin German or Japanese if America and the Allies hadnt rescued you guys 60 years ago. Gee look how quickly the Euro's forget what price American's and Allied nations paid to help win their countries back from Hitler. So people should be glad that there are countries out there willing to put there lives on the line to save them from terrorists.

I spent a few minutes trying to figure out how to say this best. Here's the best I could come up with:

I hate George Bush's America.

It's not difficult to see the reasons why. Whenever I start thinking about all the stupid things Bush has done with this country, I get so frustrated that I am unable to type out a proper response to these posts.

As an American I think we should leave all other countries alone and when they start havin problems let them come beggin for help remember all of you Euro's would probably be speakin German or Japanese if America and the Allies hadnt rescued you guys 60 years ago. Gee look how quickly the Euro's forget what price American's and Allied nations paid to help win their countries back from Hitler. So people should be glad that there are countries out there willing to put there lives on the line to save them from terrorists.
And we might be speaking English (not American English) if it weren't for the French.

Why the world hates the United States

Three words: Straight Bourbon Whiskey.

:D :eek: :confused: :( ;) :p :D

So to sum up your reply - you have no interest in trying to undertand your enemy, and accept that they are your enemy simply becuase your leader and his pet media tell you so...am I right?



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I doubt anyone has any clue what I'm talking about anymore, since this was 3 pages back, but I don't check the NS forums in the evening much, but I figured I should answer to it anyways, just so people don't think I ran away or something.

No, I already understand them. Every war, every conflict has two sides to each story. We say they are terrorists, they say they are freedom fighters. They say we are infidels, we say we are there to liberate them.

You will get no where if you sit there refusing to take a side simply because both sides have valid points. Both sides have valid points in any argument, and anyone but an idiot can see that. However, what do you want Bush to do? He's the leader of OUR side but you expect him to take their viewpoint? That's as preposterous as expecting Saddam to say that the American forces were liberating Iraq.

If you truly hate the U.S cause so much and believe so strongly in fighting against it, please go join those "freedom fighters" you love so dearly. Otherwise, don't say anything or support your country.

I think the valid points look pretty much the same to me.

God/Allah said so.

Everyone else doesn't hate the US. They're just laughing at you.

actually i get a little scared when i thnk of the fact that the US have more than nesseccairy neclear weapons to destroy the entire world.

And by destroy the world you really mean kill all its inhabitants.

Ofcourse I don't hate America.


Only its president, its current administration, and its two party system.

... Or possibly because you have 2 billion people under the rule of benevolent dictators, dictators YOU aided to get to the throne, and are still supporting..

And then you go bitching about Saddam, your former CIA operative,

So Saddam is a CIA operative since the '60s when he was on the run from the Iraqi government(for attempted murder), because he went to the US embassy in Cairo??

According to the book, "Egypt, The Sadat Years" p.51, they couldn't prove Sadat was receiving any "funds" from the CIA. Yet some two-bit criminal goes to the US embassy he's suddenly a CIA operative?? That explains why in 1972 Saddam went to MOSCOW to negotiate a treaty with the USSR. YET, he wasn't the man in charge!! General Ahmed Hassan al Bakr was the head of Iraq!

Also, this "supposed" CIA operative when he came to power, bought Migs, Mirages, T-72s, AK-47s.....I don't think any of these are made in the US...


If there's more proof to this unsubstantiated claim that Saddam was a CIA operative. I'd like to see it.

Ofcourse I don't hate America.


Only its president, its current administration, and its two party system.


I vote against the "two party system" every chance I get.............

Good point, because then we would be the only country in the world.

For all of what? Two seconds, maybe?

Or are we to believe that they wouldn't nuke us back?

actually i get a little scared when i thnk of the fact that the US have more than nesseccairy neclear weapons to destroy the entire world.

Well, so does Russia and France (it really takes very few, you know). Probably Israel as well, although they play that card close to their chest. I'm not sure how many China has, but if it's ove 100, it's enough.

For all of what? Two seconds, maybe?

Or are we to believe that they wouldn't nuke us back?
Like that is even necessary. The radiation would kill all Americans sooner or later even without anyone nuking them back.

actually i get a little scared when i thnk of the fact that the US have more than nesseccairy neclear weapons to destroy the entire world.

Oh, yes, that too ;) I forgot about the nukes...no nuclear weapons/ships allowed in my country (and that's why the US hates NZ ;))

And to think, all this ridiculousness started because of Fox News.

Anyway ... you're all talking about terrorism and terrorist threaths, so let me throw in my 2 cents. You don't know what REAL terrorism is like. My country had 700 YEARS of terrorist control by the British and they still refuse to hand over Ulster. It's 2004, homosexuality is acceptable yet a united Ireland isn't. If it weren't for the British, my native language wouldn't be dieing out alas it is. And the media has the barefaced cheek to call the I.R.A "terrorists". The B-Specials were terrorists. The Orange Order and the U.D.A and U.V.F are terrorists. The Crown forces in Ulster are terrorists not the I.R.A.

Tiocfhaidh ar la

Our Day Will Come

I doubt anyone has any clue what I'm talking about anymore, since this was 3 pages back, but I don't check the NS forums in the evening much, but I figured I should answer to it anyways, just so people don't think I ran away or something.

No, I already understand them. Every war, every conflict has two sides to each story. We say they are terrorists, they say they are freedom fighters. They say we are infidels, we say we are there to liberate them.

You will get no where if you sit there refusing to take a side simply because both sides have valid points. Both sides have valid points in any argument, and anyone but an idiot can see that. However, what do you want Bush to do? He's the leader of OUR side but you expect him to take their viewpoint? That's as preposterous as expecting Saddam to say that the American forces were liberating Iraq.

If you truly hate the U.S cause so much and believe so strongly in fighting against it, please go join those "freedom fighters" you love so dearly. Otherwise, don't say anything or support your country.

I don't hate the US, bud, I hate it's foreign policies, and I hate Bush - there is a big difference.

If you refuse to try and understand an enemy or think for yourself, you might as well be a worker ant, or a sheep.

P.S. Whoever said I was American? Another assumption on your part...

P.S. What kind of childish crap is "blindly support USA 100% or go fight for the enemy".

They've got this great new invention now - it's called "shades of grey" - gives you more options than just black or white ;)

And to think, all this ridiculousness started because of Fox News.

Anyway ... you're all talking about terrorism and terrorist threaths, so let me throw in my 2 cents. You don't know what REAL terrorism is like. My country had 700 YEARS of terrorist control by the British and they still refuse to hand over Ulster. It's 2004, homosexuality is acceptable yet a united Ireland isn't. If it weren't for the British, my native language wouldn't be dieing out alas it is. And the media has the barefaced cheek to call the I.R.A "terrorists". The B-Specials were terrorists. The Orange Order and the U.D.A and U.V.F are terrorists. The Crown forces in Ulster are terrorists not the I.R.A.

Tiocfhaidh ar la

Our Day Will Come

Errrr, while I don't disagree that the Brits have a lot to answer for regarding Ireland, or that the other groups are equally culpable, but claiming that the IRA were not a terrorist organization is pure, unadulterated bull.

You may agree with their politcal aims, but by their actions they are beneath contempt.

I don't hate the US, bud, I hate it's foreign policies, and I hate Bush - there is a big difference.


Amen to this.

Errrr, while I don't disagree that the Brits have a lot to answer for regarding Ireland, or that the other groups are equally culpable, but claiming that the IRA were not a terrorist organization is pure, unadulterated bull.

You may agree with their politcal aims, but by their actions they are beneath contempt.

They gave as good as they got.

(but yeah they're terrorists aswell. But they're still not as bad as the others so technically speaking they're terrors more so than terrorists.)

Only its president, its current administration, and its two party system.


The really sad thing is that many Americans (myself included) feel exactly the same way.

Be thankful for the two party system. This crap of having loads of different parties sucks ass. Coalition Governments annoy me.

My answer to the original question is: envy. They are envious of us; and when people envy, they begin to hate. They are angry that we have the wherewithal to do what we think is in our best interest without consulting them first.
Do you realize that the exact same "argument" could have been used by Hitler in the early years of WW2? "The rest of the world is just envious of Germany's great might..."