NationStates Jolt Archive

*Americans - this is not a slur on you, but on your Governments over the past few decades*

The 90's according to Noam Chomsky - became the era of 'humanitarian intervention' where the US would enforce its will around the World using excuses to do so. Most notably, although probably not most destructively, was the bombing of Iraq in '93 - only 8 people died - but the justification was one of the most ridiculous ever heard. Not only that but Kissinger supported the invasion at the time, although when I spoke to him in the restaraunt of The Madison when he was being interviewed - he viermently denied the accusations i levelled against him, because hes a lying bastard.

A perfect example that the US will not enforce humanitarian obligations on its friends was Cyprus. When the Turks invaded in 1974 - using ironically enough - the excuse of humanitarian intervention (basically they didn't want enosis as they were scared of it) - this is what happened to Famagusta.

Then: http://www.mit.edu/~petros/famagusta.jpg

Now: http://www.stenboye.dk/dancon/Famagusta/images/orlov26.jpg

Its a ghost town now.

This is the story the day after the invasion.

http://www.cyprus.org/CyprusPanel/images/sun.jpg

This is the full account of the massacre:

http://www.mit.edu/~petros/Cyprus/Euro_HRCommission_Report1.html#Killings

So think twice before you believe your Government's 'Humanitarian Intervention' rubbish.

I just have to say that the news source was The Sun Its a well known tabloid in the States.

The other one is pretty good though

Other than that, I never really believed 'humanitarian intervention' anyway.

I wouldn't say Cyprus was a massacre.

The Greeks fought back.

I wouldn't say Cyprus was a massacre.

The Greeks fought back.

I would call the mass killing of civilians a massacre. Along with mass rape and torture.

Oh and the Sun's story was confirmed by UNHCR so don't dispute it.

Actually, I reviewed this on some claims from a gal from Cypress.

It was not all one sided. There were many instanaces of questionable actions on both sides of the island.

There were reprisal killings of Turkish soldiers. I remember my dad telling me Greek Commandos used to go onto the Turkish side and bring back severed ears of Turkish soldiers on a string. Those were the days when there were brave Greeks who stood and fought like the Hellenes of old. The Turks burnt down Churches and basically every Christian gravesite in the whole of the occupied land has been vandalised - gravestones smashed over and graffiti scrawled across them.

One day we will invade and burn down all thier villages like they did to us. And if you are one of these morons who has read one article on this topic and thinks you know everything then piss off.

There were reprisal killings of Turkish soldiers. I remember my dad telling me Greek Commandos used to go onto the Turkish side and bring back severed ears of Turkish soldiers on a string. Those were the days when there were brave Greeks who stood and fought like the Hellenes of old. The Turks burnt down Churches and basically every Christian gravesite in the whole of the occupied land has been vandalised - gravestones smashed over and graffiti scrawled across them.

One day we will invade and burn down all thier villages like they did to us. And if you are one of these morons who has read one article on this topic and thinks you know everything then piss off.

I've spent about 5 years in Greece collectively, and maybe 6 months in Turkey.

There's still a lot of animosity between the two countries.

Neither sides are innocent.

Ok, I'm not sure I follow your chain of reasoning here. Just what exactly is the U.S. culpability in this 30 year old incident? Remember at the time we were extracating ourselves from Vietnam and still bleeding from that wound. The people of the U.S. had about all the foreign intravention they could stomache over the last decade or more and were not gonna take sides in this centuries old animosity between Greece and Turkey, especially if it meant sending U.S. troops into harms way.

Ok, I'm not sure I follow your chain of reasoning here. Just what exactly is the U.S. culpability in this 30 year old incident? Remember at the time we were extracating ourselves from Vietnam and still bleeding from that wound. The people of the U.S. had about all the foreign intravention they could stomache over the last decade or more and were not gonna take sides in this centuries old animosity between Greece and Turkey, especially if it meant sending U.S. troops into harms way.

You supported armed and funded the invasion. There has been testimony that people have seen documents that show you knew about the invasion before it happened. Oh and stop saying both sides are wrong - The Turks are murderers, they invaded our country, raped our women, murdered innocents 1500 innocents and took our land and homes - simple as that and I will always hate them.

Oh get over it already.

There wouldn't be all these damn wars between Greece and Turkey if both of you would stop putting so much into hating each other.

You just don't get it do you. I would like to see how you reacted if one of your family members died in a War with a nation that proceeded to take your house and all of your belongings, then systamatically destroy anything christian in the occupied areas.

Until you have been put in that situation - shut your mouth and stop preaching.

Nazi Weaponized Virus,
Isn't it by time you turn your animousity down?
Turkey will sooner or later enter the EU... what will you do then?
Probably most of the turkish living in Cyprus now er not the barbarians of 30 years ago (should never mix military and civils)...

Any way, whatever the greek side say, if Turkey enters EU them the border between greek and turk side in Cyprus will fall... as so will do the border between mainland Greece and mainland Turkey...
???

Revenge doesn't pay off!
But if you are just a bit near your name (Nazi) then, what do I talk for?

Peace.

You supported armed and funded the invasion. There has been testimony that people have seen documents that show you knew about the invasion before it happened. Oh and stop saying both sides are wrong - The Turks are murderers, they invaded our country, raped our women, murdered innocents 1500 innocents and took our land and homes - simple as that and I will always hate them."....you knew about the invasion...", Dude, I was 13 years old, no one was sharing that kind of information with me! You wanna place the blame on Tricky Dick and his gang OK (I don't think anyone would argue it's not possibly one of the dirty deeds done during his administration), but you can't blame America as a whole.

You just don't get it do you. I would like to see how you reacted if one of your family members died in a War with a nation that proceeded to take your house and all of your belongings, then systamatically destroy anything christian in the occupied areas.

Until you have been put in that situation - shut your mouth and stop preaching.

All I'm saying is Greece isn't innocent.

Yes, it's horrible what happened, but do you really think ranting about how horrible the Turks are is going to change anything?

Do you think more hatred will keep this from happening again?

You just don't get it do you. I would like to see how you reacted if one of your family members died in a War with a nation that proceeded to take your house and all of your belongings, then systamatically destroy anything christian in the occupied areas.

Until you have been put in that situation - shut your mouth and stop preaching.

BTW.
Turkey has Muslims as well as Christians as well as Atheist...
They do at leat now.
So I don't really see the point of you putting all this weight on the religion point of you.
And if you really are a Christian then you should forgive.
That is what Jesus said!!!

I am niether Greek or Turk or Christian or whatever established church you may think of... just for you to know....

"....you knew about the invasion...", Dude, I was 13 years old, no one was sharing that kind of information with me! You wanna place the blame on Tricky Dick and his gang OK (I don't think anyone would argue it's not possibly one of the dirty deeds done during his administration), but you can't blame America as a whole.

Look above at the top of the post - I never blamed American I blame thier Government who covers up fact.

BTW.
Turkey has Muslims as well as Christians as well as Atheist...
They do at leat now.
So I don't really see the point of you putting all this weight on the religion point of you.
And if you really are a Christian then you should forgive.
That is what Jesus said!!!

I am niether Greek or Turk or Christian or whatever established church you may think of... just for you to know....

It's not about religion - It's about the fact that graffiting over gravestones and breaking the headstones and burning down churches is wrong.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/turkey-greece%20history.htm

Both side have done their share of attacking.

I love your refusal to admit that a massacre is wrong. Perhaps its because The American Military has commited its fair share of massacres and you don't want to believe anything is wrong with it. You know NOTHING about the situation. Moron.

It's not about religion - It's about the fact that graffiting over gravestones and breaking the headstones and burning down churches is wrong.

Yes,
so did every invader in human history.
Should we hate all the Italians for what the Romans did?
Hate all the Spanish and portoguese for what they did in South America?
Hate all the French, English, Duch and more for all they did in their colonies?
Hate the Chinese for what they did around them and in Nepal?
Hate the greeks for all the wars they'been fighting during thousand of years?
Hate the Germans for the NAZIS (that you proudly wear the name of)?
Hate the Russians for they "internal" politics?
Hate the americans for every single fake "good" war they have fought?
Your choice.

The world has to come togheter in peace sooner or later.

I love your refusal to admit that a massacre is wrong. Perhaps its because The American Military has commited its fair share of massacres and you don't want to believe anything is wrong with it. You know NOTHING about the situation. Moron.

I've heard both sides of the story, you're concentrating on your own misery.

http://www.greekmurderers.net/imagesofmassacres.html
http://www.unur.com/sinan/cacophony/030307a-gungor.html
http://www.alb-net.com/pipermail/alb-club/Week-of-Mon-20030106/014904.html


Keep on telling me the poor Greeks were beaten up by the big bad mean turks.

I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but, NWV, would you care to share with the rest of the board how the Greeks treat the Albanians?

Gotta love that time of the year when they ask them all for the papers or whatever.

If they don't have their papers, they're arrested and beaten.

I've been told that if you wrap the Albanian in a garbage bag, you can beat them without it showing too much.

I've heard both sides of the story, you're concentrating on your own misery.

Asshole.

http://www.gallerym.com/pixs/photogs/pulitzer/images/vietnam_napalm.jpg

http://www.danshistory.com/a7.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/img/mylai.gif

http://www.airbornepress.com/helmetman.jpg

http://www.jocelync.com/hvpress/images/vietnam_psd.jpg

http://www.maruta.pe.kr/members/images/n-imgs/vietnam/massacre_by_usarmy.jpg

http://democrats.com/elandslide/images/shockawe1.jpg

http://www.parkercolorado.net/images/god_bless_america.jpg

Wait, so, umm, the US has what to do with this now?

As I said...

All countries has fought wars, invaded and destroyed.
Blame all?

Yeah,
right.

Wait, so, umm, the US has what to do with this now?

well NWV started the thread by saying how dum the US gov. is....
so... I guess he is proving is point, but what he doesn't realize is that THAT is not the point at all....

Waaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! ;_;

**goes into a corner and listens to emo-Only Dashboard understands!**


How is it our fault again?

http://www.diaspora-net.org/Turkey/massacre.jpeg

http://agrino.org/humrights/hr01/turk.JPG

http://agrino.org/humrights/hr01/missing.JPG

http://www.cyprus.org/CyprusPanel/images/wtlb1.gif

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/1881/cyprus74/napalm.jpg


http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/1881/cyprus74/christ.jpg

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/napalm.jpg

http://www.wingsofvalor.org/pictures/nicaragua.gif

http://www.spectator.co.nz/images/farkash.jpg

http://www.september11news.com/AATower2ExplodeGettyImages.jpg

http://www.ocpeace.org/images/poster_youreap.gif

Did I deny Turkey did those horrible things?

I'm still waiting for your response about your horrible treatment of Albanians.

Do you think you will make your point by picking out even more picture of misery and dead people?

Are you insane or what?

btw... I agree with You: You reap what you saw

And that is for you too...
You hate? You will be hate
You kill? you will be killed

Does it come to an end?
NO.

http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/flameINC/images/FU12.jpg

Can we get a DEAT over here?

Of course I agree with your comments Goed, but some of Insane Troll's comments are downright insulting - he sounds like he confirms everything that stereotypes America as what it is.

Did I deny Turkey did those horrible things?

I'm still waiting for your response about your horrible treatment of Albanians.

And yours about the Armenian massacre - as far as I remember (and I've been to Cyprus 22 times) I've never seen an Albanian treated badly. Unfortunately your picking out the actions of a few and representing them to be Government policy - thats like my saying all Americans hate arabs based on some of the comments I have heard across Internet Forums. Because lets face it, most of you do.

Of course I agree with your comments Goed, but some of Insane Troll's comments are downright insulting - he sounds like he confirms everything that stereotypes America as what it is.

Saying Greece has committed atrocities and abused Albanians confirms what stereotypes?

Damn those Americans and their use of reason and facts!

Of course I agree with your comments Goed, but some of Insane Troll's comments are downright insulting - he sounds like he confirms everything that stereotypes America as what it is.

Actually, I was referring to you

http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/flameINC/images/old6.jpg

Damn those Americans and their use of reason and facts!

Iraq
Vietnam
Nicaragua
War on Central America
Ronald Reagan (haha hes dead now)
George Bush
WMD in Iraq
Afghanistan

Oh fuck this - I've tried being nice to you. And I've tried not stereotyping you as you stereotype all Greeks. So I'm just going to say I agree with this:

http://www.the-reelgillman.com/news/wtc.jpg

And yours about the Armenian massacre - as far as I remember (and I've been to Cyprus 22 times) I've never seen an Albanian treated badly. Unfortunately your picking out the actions of a few and representing them to be Government policy - thats like my saying all Americans hate arabs based on some of the comments I have heard across Internet Forums. Because lets face it, most of you do.

Greece has repeatedly gained attention from Amnesty International for instances like this: http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGEUR250082003?open&of=ENG-GRC

I've been in Greece during one of their roundups, I've been told by Greek police officers how to use trash bags to avoid bruising your victims.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1540000/images/_1542768_pentagon2_300inf.gif

And I also agree with this, you want to stereotype? I'll stereotype back.

Ok, nazi, let's stop for a moment.

You said "Turks are terrible people."

I said "That may be, but so are Greeks. Stop the hate, it's not productive"

You said "Yeah, well look at your country."

You're right, my country does horrible things too.

Stop trying to deny your people have done anything wrong by pointing out all the wrongs of other people.

I'm a shit :)

http://www.magictrade.dk/images/kort/urzas_saga/Albino%20Troll.JPG

Greece has repeatedly gained attention from Amnesty International for instances like this: http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGEUR250082003?open&of=ENG-GRC

I've been in Greece during one of their roundups, I've been told by Greek police officers how to use trash bags to avoid bruising your victims.

Greece = Greece

Cyprus = Cyprus

And plus your basing your opinions on 1 or 2 visits?

I've been to Cyprus over 20 times as I said. And I've been to Greece 6 times.

**impatiently glances at watch** now where ARE those mods...?

Greece = Greece

Cyprus = Cyprus

Greeks in Greece = Greeks

Greeks in Cyprus = Greeks

Goed, can you help me?

I can't understand why NWV flipped out on me.

All I said was that Greece has done bad things too, and he's acting like I accused him of murdering Turks himself.

Greeks in Greece = Greeks

Greeks in Cyprus = Greeks

ROFL

Greeks in Greece = Hellenes (Greeks)

Greeks in Cyprus = Kypraios (Cypriots)

Moron....

Goed, can you help me?

I can't understand why NWV flipped out on me.

All I said was that Greece has done bad things too, and he's acting like I accused him of murdering Turks himself.

.....Nope your tarred all Greeks with the same brush. You denied the existence of any massacres committed by Turks and you consistantly insulted me. You want to stereotype? Thats fine. But It will only make Americans look worse and contribute to your own insular stereotype.

Goed, can you help me?

I can't understand why NWV flipped out on me.

All I said was that Greece has done bad things too, and he's acting like I accused him of murdering Turks himself.

See, you proved him wrong. That was your big mistake. And some people, well, don't like being proven wrong. Especially when they ARE.




HINT BLOODY HINT

ROFL

Greeks in Greece = Hellenes (Greeks)

Greeks in Cyprus = Kypraios (Cypriots)

Moron....

Which is why they're often called "Greek-Cypriots".

Can somebody cut this thread dead?
This is becoming ridicolous and grotesque....

NWS, I hope for you, you will grow up one day and have a bit more clear idea of what it means to express ideas... you aren't beein so smart now.
:)

So, I am finished here. No point on talking anymore..

Which is why they're often called "Greek-Cypriots".

2 Different peoples, I would know as I am Half-Cypriot myself - we share many values and many of our values differ. Stop trying to generalize.

If some country invaded your country, killed your family members. what would you feel towards them?

Now cut the PC bullshit and answer it properly. Till your dying days you would hate that country (not nessary each person but their country as a whole) most people would take great pleasure in killing them, there would be generations to come that still felt hatred and they have every right to do so.


NWV I'm sorry this has happened to you and your country reguardless of any other history

.....Nope your tarred all Greeks with the same brush. You denied the existence of any massacres committed by Turks and you consistantly insulted me. You want to stereotype? Thats fine. But It will only make Americans look worse and contribute to your own insular stereotype.

I didn't say the Turks were innocent of war crimes, I said the war wasn't one-sided like you were implying it was.

I didn't insult you, you insulted me. We're not doing a role-reversal here.

When you say the Turkish committed a massacre, do you mean all the Turks? Obviously not, the same goes for when I say the Greeks commited a massacre.

I think you should know something. I've found that the people in Turkey are a lot nicer than the people in Greece. :)

If some country invaded your country, killed your family members. what would you feel towards them?

Now cut the PC bullshit and answer it properly. Till your dying days you would hate that country (not nessary each person but their country as a whole) most people would take great pleasure in killing them, there would be generations to come that still felt hatred and they have every right to do so.


NWV I'm sorry this has happened to you and your country reguardless of any other history

Thats the point I was getting at, as a matter of fact as I a Turkish friend. Yet Cyprus is never an issue with him - however I've known Turks that are disgustingly venomously nationalistic and who march through the streets of constantinople celebrating the invasion and carrying pictures of Turkish troops shooting people who were fleeing. The mainland Turks are insular and so are those who were moved to settle in N. Cyprus, but alot of the Turks who were there since the old days aren't that bad.

Don't take what they are saying to personal, 99% of younger people in Western counties/cultures don't know how lucky they really are.

Don't take what they are saying to personal, 99% of younger people in Western counties/cultures don't know how lucky they really are.


.....Why, for the love of everything in the world, WHY did you have to revive this thread?

Noam chomsky kicks ass but it has to be said that those pictures dont really proove much. And we already know that kissenger is a bastard.

Yeh Chomsky is the greatest guy in the world bar none - he even replies to my emails (even though he probably has a lot to do). What a legend.

Lol. No fuckin way? Are you sure. I thought that guy just spent all his days reading newspapers and writing articles. ALL day.

Hmm, I forgot about that. And still the US wants Turkey into the EU. At all (our) costs. How very generouse of them.

Nazi Virus' point seems to be:

Patriotism is OK for most nations. Americans however are not allowed to feel patriotic.

Hmm, I forgot about that. And still the US wants Turkey into the EU. At all (our) costs. How very generouse of them.

I don't care about some childish and blind willings of U.S. gov. They just don't know history, or just think world has not changed so much since USSR death, when Turkey was kinda NATO trench, and maybe they think Turkey could be the same nation it has been for many years. But a state is not the same of a nation or a culture. Turkey should not join E.U.. We fought them for centuries, we know them, and, mostly, Turkey is NOT Europe, his economy is ridicolous, day by day islamic fundamentalists increase their evil seduction on populacy, and illegality (clandestine immigration businnes not least) is growing up. It could be a real and great danger to let them get in.
Lepantos forever.

I don't care about some childish and blind willings of U.S. gov. They just don't know history, or just think world has not changed so much since USSR death, when Turkey was kinda NATO trench, and maybe they think Turkey could be the same nation it has been for many years. But a state is not the same of a nation or a culture. Turkey should not join E.U.. We fought them for centuries, we know them, and, mostly, Turkey is NOT Europe, his economy is ridicolous, day by day islamic fundamentalists increase their evil seduction on populacy, and illegality (clandestine immigration businnes not least) is growing up. It could be a real and great danger to let them get in.
Lepantos forever.
all religious fundamentalism is a form of mental illness and Bushs brand of cultic "christianity" is no different then Osamas islamic savagery

all religious fundamentalism is a form of mental illness and Bushs brand of cultic "christianity" is no different then Osamas islamic savagery

I have GOT to congratulate you....you have managed to drink the strongest kool-aid ever produced and survived somehow. Do you even read what you post before you hit the submit button?

Von werent you Deated earlier? Anyway. You there Naziboy?