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A little background: I was reading The Da Vinci Code and the book mentions the link between Jesus and Mary Magdalene. It goes on to say that they were married which is the best kept secret of the church. I'd heard rumors of that sort before, but nothing solidly concrete. Either they were not true or the Catholic church does a really good job of trying to stamp those rumors out. Anyway, the book mentions an odd fact about the painting The Last Supper by Da Vinci.

It says that the person on Jesus's right (our left) is a woman. Intrigued, I took a closer look. Indeed, the person is a woman, supposidly Mary Magdalene.

Thoughts?

Note: You can do a google search for the painting and check it out for yourself.

my thought is
why would da vinci have special knowlege about jesus?

isnt it the book of thomas that says jesus was married to mary magdalene?

From everything I've heard out of the church, Jesus was never married. He died a bachelor. It seems faily important to the church that Jesus was a bachelor, that drives the divinity case.

my thought is
why would da vinci have special knowlege about jesus?

isnt it the book of thomas that says jesus was married to mary magdalene?


Errr... you haven't read the book, have you?

It is a woman. There is a lot of evidence, a lot of it outlined in the book. A lot more has been buried by the Church. Mary was a very influential figure in the early church, and many writings have her being with Jesus a lot, and that he valued her as he did the apostles (at least). One translation of early texts has him kissing her (on the face or mouth, depending on the translation). Suddenly Mary and her teachings dissapeared and were never talked about. Her writings have never surfaced, and are most l;ikely at the Vatican.

Now, apparently, Davinci was part of a secret order entrusted with secrets of the church (secret orders of the type were quite rampant back then). He couldn't handle the oppression of the truth and left all these hints about Mary, one of them being the painting.

At least, this is how I understand what I have heard about the texts etc. I have yet to read the book, but it IS "on my list."

i think that we can trust the first hand notes of jesus's apostles before some crazy midevil rumors. its still a great FICTIONAL READ though,,,,,,,

no no i havent
nor do i intend to

i found this site interesting

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/504271_john.html

anyways, i heard of the book,
but i didn't read it 'cause i was too lazy to do it,
(it was required for honors english)...

a question out of topic...
is it true that da vinci is gay?
and mona lisa is his self-portrait?

Well, it's obviously a woman in the painting unless John was a transvestite.

I've read the book and couldn't put it down.

i think that we can trust the first hand notes of jesus's apostles before some crazy midevil rumors. its still a great FICTIONAL READ though,,,,,,,

The first hand notes as you put it also show that he may have indeed been married, it is noted in a few of the dead sea scrolls, but those are shunned by the church. Oh yeah, and if you like the Da Vinci Code I highly recommend Angels and Demons by Dan Brown as well, another very good read (note: if you haven't read davinci code read angels and demons first as it is the prequil)

A little background: I was reading The Da Vinci Code and the book mentions the link between Jesus and Mary Magdalene. It goes on to say that they were married which is the best kept secret of the church. I'd heard rumors of that sort before, but nothing solidly concrete. Either they were not true or the Catholic church does a really good job of trying to stamp those rumors out. Anyway, the book mentions an odd fact about the painting The Last Supper by Da Vinci.

It says that the person on Jesus's right (our left) is a woman. Intrigued, I took a closer look. Indeed, the person is a woman, supposidly Mary Magdalene.

Thoughts?

Note: You can do a google search for the painting and check it out for yourself.
I do not believe the Catholic church is "keeping it a secret" that Jesus was married. I just do not think they are advertising the fact that he was married.

Trying to learn the facts about Jesus and his life is like trying to learn the facts about the life and times of King Arthur. They're both ephemeral and more legend than anythig else. Most archaelogical studies of Israel around the time of Christ show that many of the things ascribed to Jesus simply couldn't have happened. A good reference on this is the book Excavating Jesus.

But don't let that get in the way of Jesus' teachings. What he preached about the need to love one another and to be at peace with the world and with each other is beautiful and fulfilling. Jesus' divinity or lack thereof is irrelevant to the powerful nature of what he taught.

I know the book is a fictional read, but still . . .if the background is at all true, then there are some very interesting implications.

The societies within the book are real though, and so are the famous mentioned members.

I care little about the church and whatnot, but I personally heard that the book was total crap :p

$0.02

ah, heres a link to a good image. It's big though, so watch out 56k

http://images.fbrtech.com/dnew/Italy2001/Postcards/Milan1.jpg

Also, look at Peter. He has his hand across the person in question's throat and his other hand holds a dagger. Strange.

It seems faily important to the church that Jesus was a bachelor, that drives the divinity case.

It's not the divinity case that it drives. If Jesus was a bachelor (and, it assumedly follows, a virgin) that drives the predominately Christian (mostly Catholic) theory that sex is bad. If it got out that Jesus was married/had sex, it wouldn't be too good for the church figures who want to frighten children out of intimacy.

I do not believe the Catholic church is "keeping it a secret" that Jesus was married. I just do not think they are advertising the fact that he was married.

Is there anything wrong with him being married ?
Catholic priest used to marry until the 12th (rathly can't remember the exact time) century and protestant priest get married. Don't they ?

Moise was married. Don't know if mahomet was.

Wait. So DaVinci paints the Last Supper with every disciple *except* John the younger, and instead substitutes in Mary Magdelene. And Leo was a member of a secret society that knew all this. And Dan Brown writes a fictional book about this. And he's more an authority on the life of Jesus Christ than the Apostles, not a one of whom ever wrote a bit of this.

Just want to see if I have this all straight.

Wait. So DaVinci paints the Last Supper with every disciple *except* John the younger, and instead substitutes in Mary Magdelene. And Leo was a member of a secret society that knew all this. And Dan Brown writes a fictional book about this. And he's more an authority on the life of Jesus Christ than the Apostles, not a one of whom ever wrote a bit of this.

Just want to see if I have this all straight.

Just go look at the painting with the link I provided. If it is John the younger instead of Mary Magdalene, John the younger is a transvestite.

a question out of topic...
is it true that da vinci is gay?
and mona lisa is his self-portrait?

yes, Leo was gay, it's very well documented. the mona lisa is thought to be a sort of morphed self portrait, in which DaVinci painted himself morphed into a woman; some think it was an experiment for him, because he was looking at the structural differences between masculine and feminine appearance.

i think that we can trust the first hand notes of jesus's apostles before some crazy midevil rumors. its still a great FICTIONAL READ though,,,,,,,

what about the gnostic gosepels? you know, the ones that were found some time ago and have a gospel of mary included among them...

ah, heres a link to a good image. It's big though, so watch out 56k

http://images.fbrtech.com/dnew/Italy2001/Postcards/Milan1.jpg

Also, look at Peter. He has his hand across the person in question's throat and his other hand holds a dagger. Strange.
they all look dressed the same to me. how is john dressed as a woman? they all have similar hair. he has no beard but then so do some of the others. he has a sweet face but that doesnt mean hes a woman

gee they are eating dinner and one guy has a knife in his hand. go figure

Just go look at the painting with the link I provided. If it is John the younger instead of Mary Magdalene, John the younger is a transvestite.

Well, transvestite is going a tad too far, I think, although very feminine certainly. Perhaps this is intentional, though, to somehow link both Mary and John the Younger. The gossip about the exact relationship of Jesus to John the Younger as well as the exact relationship between Jesus and Mary Madgalene seem to go hand in hand and, when you through in the knowledge that Leo was gay...

I'm not saying anything! Just that it's an interesting thought that keeps resurfacing from time to time.

well john IS "the apostle that jesus loved"

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/l/leonardo/thumb/lastsupp.jpg

Looks to me like Jesus ripped a nasty one ...

well john IS "the apostle that jesus loved"

You can love your apostles, just not LOVE your apostles. :)

If want more information, try Holy Blood, Holy Grail (which I believe is mentioned in the book), or The Templar Prophesies There are many more, but those two are the first to come to mind. The theory that Mary Magdelene is Jesus' wife is not a new one, the Priory of Zion does/did exist as well.

However, I would not trust Holt Blood... though. I only read it because it was banned at my school.