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http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitness/08/02/fat.activism.ap/index.html

Just when we're trying to SAVE FAT PEOPLE FROM KILLING THEMSELVES, we get fat-activists.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitness/08/02/fat.activism.ap/index.html

Just when we're trying to SAVE FAT PEOPLE FROM KILLING THEMSELVES, we get fat-activists.
Really? Wewt.

I just love that they have NAAFA: The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance. That story almost brought tears to my eyes when I saw it at first. But it only ended up making my sides ache from laughter.

Figures! Try to help people and an association pops up to stop it! Typical

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitness/08/02/fat.activism.ap/index.html

Just when we're trying to SAVE FAT PEOPLE FROM KILLING THEMSELVES, we get fat-activists.
Faaaaaaaat. Just read a poll which said, 80% of the 25+ crowd in the US is overweight. So, now you got activists fighting to be considered ok although they are fat. Just great.

The thing is, they're too lazy to exercise and diet enough to not be fat, so they do this kind of thing to trick themselves into thinking it's ok, when really, they just ate too much and need to lose the extra poundage.

is it just me, or if you're going to take up two seats, shoudln't you have to pay for them? how is that discrimination? because your ass is too big, other people should have to be squished onto half a seat?

retards.

"we're getting a lot of animosity."

well, no shit, you're reaking havoc on health care systems by being morbidly obese. it's not healthy to be so big that you take up two seats in a plane.

what's next? they'll fight for special seats in movie theaters?

this isn't something that they can't control (unless it's a gland issue) so they should have to pay the penalty for their carelessness.

The thing is, they're too lazy to exercise and diet enough to not be fat, so they do this kind of thing to trick themselves into thinking it's ok, when really, they just ate too much and need to lose the extra poundage.
Uh...I'm sure that's what they're arguing too...
They chose to eat and be lazy and that's their right to do so. Sure it's a health risk, but so is joining the military--and it's a right.

Uh...I'm sure that's what they're arguing too...
They chose to eat and be lazy and that's their right to do so. Sure it's a health risk, but so is joining the military--and it's a right.

so when they're too fat to work anymore and you have to pick up the slack in the form of taxes, that'll be alright too, then right?

You people are a bunch of morons. Fat people have a right to eat and exercise how they want. Who are you to tell others how to live? Of course, you're ignoring the fact that many people simply have terrible metabolisms, and no matter how they eat or exercise, they're always going to be fat. People have their own rights, leave them be.

Faaaaaaaat. Just read a poll which said, 80% of the 25+ crowd in the US is overweight. So, now you got activists fighting to be considered ok although they are fat. Just great.
A poll? ...or a scientific study? Not sure why you would conduct a poll to find out who is overweight.

What's wrong with what they're doing?

Why the hell should other people have the right to tell someone it's wrong for them to be fat? It's that persons choice. Yet diet industries and society judges people and tells them they're stupid and need to lose weight.

Here's a bit of truth. Some people are NATURALLY overweight. If there weren't so many fast foods and candies loaded with sugar, readily available, then many people wouldn't be so overweight. It's sad when a salad costs more than a bunch of candy bars. It's hard to eat healthy on a low budget.

Do you have any idea how many people that are overweight get depressed about it? Having others that say "it's okay, it's not you personally" is good. They don't advocate not being healthy, they just advocate feeling good about yourself.

so when they're too fat to work anymore and you have to pick up the slack in the form of taxes, that'll be alright too, then right?
I pay taxes for the people in the military don't I?

A poll? ...or a scientific study? Not sure why you would conduct a poll to find out who is overweight.
"Hello sir, are YOU overweight?"
*checks stomach*
"I er...no...."

I pay taxes for the people in the military don't I?

but they're doing something for you, aren't they?

A poll? ...or a scientific study? Not sure why you would conduct a poll to find out who is overweight.

there was another thread on this.

they took the weight and heights of a bunch of americans and fond 80% of them to be overweight.

so when they're too fat to work anymore and you have to pick up the slack in the form of taxes, that'll be alright too, then right?

There's a distinction between becoming a burden on society and being labeled fat/obese.

The vast majority of fat people never become burdens on society. They continue to work and do it well, since their intelligence isn't related to their weight.

so when they're too fat to work anymore and you have to pick up the slack in the form of taxes, that'll be alright too, then right?

How so? They will lose their jobs and begin to starve until theyre fit enough to work again. Makes sense to me.

but they're doing something for you, aren't they?
That's debatable.

That's debatable.

well, they're doing something for your country, aren't they?

How so? They will lose their jobs and begin to starve until theyre fit enough to work again. Makes sense to me.
Roffle.

What's wrong with what they're doing?

Why the hell should other people have the right to tell someone it's wrong for them to be fat? It's that persons choice. Yet diet industries and society judges people and tells them they're stupid and need to lose weight.

Here's a bit of truth. Some people are NATURALLY overweight. If there weren't so many fast foods and candies loaded with sugar, readily available, then many people wouldn't be so overweight. It's sad when a salad costs more than a bunch of candy bars. It's hard to eat healthy on a low budget.

Do you have any idea how many people that are overweight get depressed about it? Having others that say "it's okay, it's not you personally" is good. They don't advocate not being healthy, they just advocate feeling good about yourself.

I think what makes it ridiculous is the fact that they are protesting an industry in which they are not FORCED to participate in

Don’t want to exercise

Then DON’T that is your right also (I am really wondering how this protest will have any effect at all … the people protesting probably don’t have a high percentage of people that actually pay for that sort of stuff anyways)

Kind of like me going and protesting a country club … hell I don’t have enough money to be a member anyways :-P what would they care

well, they're doing something for your country, aren't they?
So long as you don't define "something" as an absolute positive, I can at least agree to that statement.

I am really wondering how this protest will have any effect at all … the people protesting probably don’t have a high percentage of people that actually pay for that sort of stuff anyways

two things:

1. if you're fat and proud, you shouldn't give a damn what the diet guys are saying.
2. 10 bucks says a large number of them dropped out of the protest early... unless it was a sit-in style protest... or unless they had those motorized carts to wheel about in holding their fat and proud signs.....

I think what makes it ridiculous is the fact that they are protesting an industry in which they are not FORCED to participate in

Don’t want to exercise

Then DON’T that is your right also (I am really wondering how this protest will have any effect at all … the people protesting probably don’t have a high percentage of people that actually pay for that sort of stuff anyways)

Kind of like me going and protesting a country club … hell I don’t have enough money to be a member anyways :-P what would they care

In a way they are forced into it by society. And their doctors. And anyone else who feels they know best.

The idea is widely promoted that if you're fat it's your fault, it's a problem, you need to fix it. But they're protesting against that idea. They don't advocate not exercising, not eating healthy, they just say you can be healthy and still be considered overweight.

Given that being fat is something that is immediately apparent and is used to judge people, I think that it's worthy of protest.

/me is 5 pounds underweight.

/me is an American.

/me disproves at least one stereotype.

two things:

1. if you're fat and proud, you shouldn't give a damn what the diet guys are saying.
2. 10 bucks says a large number of them dropped out of the protest early... unless it was a sit-in style protest... or unless they had those motorized carts to wheel about in holding their fat and proud signs.....

I could personally be proud of something, but if the majority of other people say it's wrong, what does that mean for someone else? For example, certain families may say being gay is wrong, and even though their child may be gay, they'll feel it's wrong and become depressed. Why does that have to happen?

And why do you persist in thinking that the overweight people are all incapable of doing anything? If you look at the statistics in this thread, and said all those people counted as overweight aren't doing anything, how is America functioning? I don't think their weight is affecting their productivity.

two things:

1. if you're fat and proud, you shouldn't give a damn what the diet guys are saying.
2. 10 bucks says a large number of them dropped out of the protest early... unless it was a sit-in style protest... or unless they had those motorized carts to wheel about in holding their fat and proud signs.....


I agree don’t get me wrong ... Just wondering how essentially a boycott of a service they don’t use benefits them

Besides being annoying they cant really bring any “economic” pressure on the industry

Well clearly the presence of fat people, when there are so many skinny people, is due to EVILLY DISTRIBUTED CAPITALIST HIEARCHY!

The only way for us all to be free is to force fat people to get liposuction and make skinny people fatter by feeding them lots, and lots, of tofu. Then we'll all be equal, and thus free from capitalist fat tyranny!

Well clearly the presence of fat people, when there are so many skinny people, is due to EVILLY DISTRIBUTED CAPITALIST HIEARCHY!

The only way for us all to be free is to force fat people to get liposuction and make skinny people fatter by feeding them lots, and lots, of tofu. Then we'll all be equal, and thus free from capitalist fat tyranny!


And there are oh so MANY skinny people in the world. Especially according to the statistics mentioned already. :p

Let's see... if over half of America is overweight, then who's the majority? And majority rules! hahaha :D

Well clearly the presence of fat people, when there are so many skinny people, is due to EVILLY DISTRIBUTED CAPITALIST HIEARCHY!

The only way for us all to be free is to force fat people to get liposuction and make skinny people fatter by feeding them lots, and lots, of tofu. Then we'll all be equal, and thus free from capitalist fat tyranny!
But I don't like tofu, make it cheese and I might consider it.

I've heard fat people say that all the supposed health risks of obesity are myths.

These specific fatties should be shot.

omg.. eww.. gross..

nightmares just htinking of this..

gross gross gross! My friends say im like non existant and i still feel fat.. how on earth can anyone want to be fat???

*shivers*


Angel


-Nothing tastes as good as thin feels

omg.. eww.. gross..

nightmares just htinking of this..

gross gross gross! My friends say im like non existant and i still feel fat.. how on earth can anyone want to be fat???

*shivers*


Angel


-Nothing tastes as good as thin feels
anorexia = bad.

omg.. eww.. gross..

nightmares just thinking of this..

gross gross gross! My friends say im like non existant and i still feel fat.. how on earth can anyone want to be fat???

*shivers*

Angel

-Nothing tastes as good as thin feels

:confused:

Not sure whether to clap my hands at the beautiful ironic wit or shudder with horror and pity that someone could feel that way

I could personally be proud of something, but if the majority of other people say it's wrong, what does that mean for someone else? For example, certain families may say being gay is wrong, and even though their child may be gay, they'll feel it's wrong and become depressed. Why does that have to happen?

And why do you persist in thinking that the overweight people are all incapable of doing anything? If you look at the statistics in this thread, and said all those people counted as overweight aren't doing anything, how is America functioning? I don't think their weight is affecting their productivity.

i never said that all fat overweight people are unhealthy and incapable of doing things for themselves. the kinds of people who would take up two seats in an airliner, however... yeah... you have to be more than just a little, healthily overweight.

i mean, i don't like how being 5lbs overweight is considered an atrocity while being 20lbs underweight is considered admirable. i see the images of stupidly skinny people everywhere and it is bad for the self-esteem... however, if you really are happy with yourself (i'm not entirely happy with myself) then it shouldn't matter what everyone else says. i know gay people who are perfectly happy with who they are and don't give a damn what anyone says. it's possible to be happy with yourself and defy a social norm.

also, when i think of someone who is overweight i tend to conjure images similar to homer simpson after he gained enough weight to go on workman's comp. i don't consider your average person with a beer gut to be fat, chubby perhaps. it's when the man-titties and rolls come in that fat comes into play.

When I think I've seen the stupidest thing, a group of people come up and slap me in the face and say, "Huh-uh, THIS is the stupidest thing!"

This is one of those cases.

To be fair, fat people don't have it too well. The stress from being told you are ugly and fat jokes all the time can't be good for you and they are pretty dumb. Fat people are constantly told to hate their bodies.

I also don't think diets work very well. If they did, then why are we getting fatter even though new diets are constantly being invented? It just doesn't make any sense.

I'm not saying that there is nothing wrong with being fat, but not all fat people are lazy bums who eat an entire pizza in one meal.

i never said that all fat overweight people are unhealthy and incapable of doing things for themselves. the kinds of people who would take up two seats in an airliner, however... yeah... you have to be more than just a little, healthily overweight.

i mean, i don't like how being 5lbs overweight is considered an atrocity while being 20lbs underweight is considered admirable. i see the images of stupidly skinny people everywhere and it is bad for the self-esteem... however, if you really are happy with yourself (i'm not entirely happy with myself) then it shouldn't matter what everyone else says. i know gay people who are perfectly happy with who they are and don't give a damn what anyone says. it's possible to be happy with yourself and defy a social norm.

I guess I argue it's better to promote your point of view that just sit back and let others be negatively affected by the current, majority view. People who are overweight but can't seem to change it can be severely negatively affected by others' opinions. And if an activist group can help them feel better, then hooray for the activist group.

In the first part of the article, they get all pissy about doctors saying obesity is a disease.

Then later, they get pissy about medicare declaring obesity not a disease.

Do they expect to have it both ways?

They want to be accepted as normal, and not diseased, but they want to be labeled as diseased so they can get their health-care?

I don't get it, these fat people are stupid.

diets alone don't tend to work... people just go on them because they're afraid to do something that actually does work...




exercise!


i mean, a healthy diet is good and all, but that atkin's crap and sugar busters, whatever the fad diet du jour is, isn't good for you, it's all a matter of balance. get everything your body needs and you're set.

and also, everyone is made to feel bad about their bodies. it's not just fat people. i'm sure there are really skinny people who feel their noses are too big or their breasts are too smal,l muscle builders who feel too small et c.

I guess I argue it's better to promote your point of view that just sit back and let others be negatively affected by the current, majority view. People who are overweight but can't seem to change it can be severely negatively affected by others' opinions. And if an activist group can help them feel better, then hooray for the activist group.

i'm not saying that people should be made to feel bad about themselves.
however, if they are very overweight, it isn't healthy. the article mentioned how people who require an extra seat on an airplane shouldn't have to pay for it... as i said before, if you're big enough to require two seats, you should have to pay for them, and you should probably try doing something about your weight because that can't be healthy.

you can be overweight and healthy, but there's a point where healthy stops and fat begins. and if you're overweight to the point of not being healthy, you shouldn't be celebrating that fact, you should be trying to correct it.

There is a difference between being fat and lazy and being fat and active. Even if you don't lose at lot of weight, what matters is you're being active. While you may have fat, you also have muscle. After all, there are lazy skinny people, who are out of shape simply because they are inactive. Weight is irrelevant, it's how you live your life. If you eat right (cheating is allowable because if you deny yourself certain foods, eating right becomes hard) and exercise (but not to the point of exahsuting your body), then, it doesn't matter your weight because you're doing what's right.

In a way they are forced into it by society. And their doctors. And anyone else who feels they know best.

The idea is widely promoted that if you're fat it's your fault, it's a problem, you need to fix it. But they're protesting against that idea. They don't advocate not exercising, not eating healthy, they just say you can be healthy and still be considered overweight.

Given that being fat is something that is immediately apparent and is used to judge people, I think that it's worthy of protest.

I have no problem not judging people that are fat, as long as they are not using at as an excuse for not contributing to society (and these are, of course, a minority). However, if you are going to take up two seats on an airplane, you need to pay for two seats. That's not discrimination, it's common sense.

It sounds like a bunch of angst-ridden frat boys are running this thread. It also sounds like Nationstates is frequented by only the fittest of the fit. I'm sure all your lifestyle choices are perpetually healthy and your rigorous workouts allow you only minimal time on the internet to post your uneducated ramblings.
Fifteen years ago it was predicted that our society was going to get fatter and fatter because of our sedintary lifestyles and our culture of excess, and now people are shocked and abhorred that it actually happened. Whether the critics like it or not, we are evolving into a race of bigger people, and eventually the bigger people will win out and we will eat all you skinny f#cks.
Fat people are one of the last acceptable groups to discriminate against. Regardless of whether you have a serious medical condition or you're just lazy and love to eat, society is still able to pass judgements without batting an eye. And if you choose to overlook all the fat people in the world just because of what they look like, then you're going to be discounting thousands of brilliant, funny, beautiful people just based on looks, and that is no better than racism.
In any case, you all sound like a bunch of whining brats worried about losing your waif-thin wank-fodder. Well, get used to it, because the rest of the world is going the way of the curve.
Signed,
A Guy Who Digs Fat Chicks

I'm starting to get a bit flabby myself, but I still dislike fat people who complain about being fat. GENETICS CANNOT PREDISPOSE YOU TO BE FAT. This is a fact. Genetics can only make it easier for one to become fat. So no matter how you look at it, it is the person's "fault".
The weird thing is that the America diet has not changed all that much over the past 50 years. It's only gone up 200-300 calories per day, which is relatively tiny. The problem today is we get no exercise.
In conclusion, I place the blame for American obesity on technology.

Why don't stupid fat people just admit they're fat and ugly?

edit :cool:

I'm starting to get a bit flabby myself, but I still dislike fat people who complain about being fat. GENETICS CANNOT PREDISPOSE YOU TO BE FAT. This is a fact. Genetics can only make it easier for one to become fat. So no matter how you look at it, it is the person's "fault".
The weird thing is that the America diet has not changed all that much over the past 50 years. It's only gone up 200-300 calories per day, which is relatively tiny. The problem today is we get no exercise.
In conclusion, I place the blame for American obesity on technology.

Ummm, you need to rethink your definition of predisposition.

A predispostion means you're more susceptible.

It sounds like a bunch of angst-ridden frat boys are running this thread. It also sounds like Nationstates is frequented by only the fittest of the fit. I'm sure all your lifestyle choices are perpetually healthy and your rigorous workouts allow you only minimal time on the internet to post your uneducated ramblings.
Fifteen years ago it was predicted that our society was going to get fatter and fatter because of our sedintary lifestyles and our culture of excess, and now people are shocked and abhorred that it actually happened. Whether the critics like it or not, we are evolving into a race of bigger people, and eventually the bigger people will win out and we will eat all you skinny f#cks.
Fat people are one of the last acceptable groups to discriminate against. Regardless of whether you have a serious medical condition or you're just lazy and love to eat, society is still able to pass judgements without batting an eye. And if you choose to overlook all the fat people in the world just because of what they look like, then you're going to be discounting thousands of brilliant, funny, beautiful people just based on looks, and that is no better than racism.
In any case, you all sound like a bunch of whining brats worried about losing your waif-thin wank-fodder. Well, get used to it, because the rest of the world is going the way of the curve.
Signed,
A Guy Who Digs Fat Chicks

The won't eat me, they can't catch me.

Fat people are a burden on society. I absolutely HATE having to wait behind some fatass waddling along, whereas if I was in front of them, I'd be at my destination already.

Sonsy I didn't lose 100 pounds to date a porker FYI

It sounds like a bunch of angst-ridden frat boys are running this thread. It also sounds like Nationstates is frequented by only the fittest of the fit. I'm sure all your lifestyle choices are perpetually healthy and your rigorous workouts allow you only minimal time on the internet to post your uneducated ramblings.
Fifteen years ago it was predicted that our society was going to get fatter and fatter because of our sedintary lifestyles and our culture of excess, and now people are shocked and abhorred that it actually happened. Whether the critics like it or not, we are evolving into a race of bigger people, and eventually the bigger people will win out and we will eat all you skinny f#cks.
Fat people are one of the last acceptable groups to discriminate against. Regardless of whether you have a serious medical condition or you're just lazy and love to eat, society is still able to pass judgements without batting an eye. And if you choose to overlook all the fat people in the world just because of what they look like, then you're going to be discounting thousands of brilliant, funny, beautiful people just based on looks, and that is no better than racism.
In any case, you all sound like a bunch of whining brats worried about losing your waif-thin wank-fodder. Well, get used to it, because the rest of the world is going the way of the curve.
Signed,
A Guy Who Digs Fat Chicks

LOL. Fat power!

I hope you're not serious. But you easily could be.

There are plenty of fat people who are funny and brilliant, but I don't think they're around at anti-discrimination protests trying to turn their lifestyle into politics.

Anyway, as for eating us skinny people, I'll have you know I can always run faster than you, not to mention hide in more unaccessible locations. No my friend, when the a-bombs start to drop and law and order breaks down, you and your disturbingly obese companions become the appetizer, entree and dessert.

And! If such is the case where fat people outnumber the skinnies, I'm even less worried. Since it will be much more efficient and practical for the fat cannibal on the prowl to chase down ever-fatter and less able to escape people. I have hardly any meat on my bones, whereas your average tourist in california could feed a family of 3, maybe more.

In the first part of the article, they get all pissy about doctors saying obesity is a disease.

Then later, they get pissy about medicare declaring obesity not a disease.

Do they expect to have it both ways?

They want to be accepted as normal, and not diseased, but they want to be labeled as diseased so they can get their health-care?

I don't get it, these fat people are stupid.


they're just looking for a handout like everyone else. they should be allowed to make their own lives miserable if they want, but i'm not going to pay for their heart transplants etc. but yes. people should not be treated badly at work for being fat, but airlines (etc) should not be required to make special fat chairs. maybe they could make chairs such that fat people could buy two seats... whatever. they buy food for two people.

This thread is really just another attempt to debunk the already debunked Michael Moore isn't it?

Ummm, you need to rethink your definition of predisposition.

A predispostion means you're more susceptible.
Touche. Please insert "MAKE".

:confused:

Not sure whether to clap my hands at the beautiful ironic wit or shudder with horror and pity that someone could feel that way

please explain.. youve confused me?

Angel

In the first part of the article, they get all pissy about doctors saying obesity is a disease.

Then later, they get pissy about medicare declaring obesity not a disease.

Do they expect to have it both ways?

They want to be accepted as normal, and not diseased, but they want to be labeled as diseased so they can get their health-care?

I don't get it, these fat people are stupid.
You misread (as I did at first)
medicare REMOVED the declaration that obesity is not a disease
They were pissed because they don't want it to be a disease


I do not hate fat people and they generally don't disgust me
However, if you are obese to the point where your health is in danger, you should not declare it a good thing. It's like saying "Have unprotected sex! I do and I'm totally awesome and sweet!"
Also, if you're using two seats, then pay for them! If I was on an airplane and just decided I wanted the seat next to me to be empty, I'd have to pay for it. And if there was a stranger next to me who I pressed myself right up against, they'd say something about it. If anything, what they are suggesting would be discrimination. Fat people are allowed to take up 2 seats for free, but not skinny people.
Also, and this is not true about all "fat activists," many of them do encourage discrimination- much like many early black-rights and womens-rights groups practiced discrimination against whites/men in their quest for ending discrimination. They automatically assume you are skinny because you starve yourself to "fit in" and they especially hate fat people that are trying to lose weight.
I don't support any discrimination...

*as for my fitness report- I am on the lower side of healthy weight- I eat fairly healthy, avoiding unnecessary fat and sugar, but I do NOT starve myself- I never exercise, though I walk a lot and almost always take the stairs over the elevator*

You misread (as I did at first)
medicare REMOVED the declaration that obesity is not a disease
They were pissed because they don't want it to be a disease


Oh, you're right. My bad.

This is pathetic. Being fat isn't like being black. You can't chose what race you are. You can chose to sit on the couch and feed your face.

Obesity is a disease in the same way stupidity is a disease and they should both be dealt with similarly.

:mp5:

I wouldn't have believed that had I not read the article with my own eyes.

hmmm...I take my last statement back...I will discriminate against one thing...
APChem:gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:
ha! an army of emoticons throwing sparkly things at you!

I wouldn't have believed that had I not read the article with my own eyes.

I would not have believed that had I not seen your cottage cheese thighs. :cool:






Just kidding I just thought it was a suitable parody

Does anyone else find it ironic that the article has an advert for "The South Beach Diet" on it?

the nerve of those people
to demand that they be treated like human beings
to demand that they not be ridiculed and demeaned at every turn
to claim they have the right to EXIST in the world
to suggest that being fat might be NATURAL and not a disease.
to suggest that people can come in different sizes and still be respected

what is WRONG with them??

ya know,
when you die and go to heaven, st peter doesnt meet you at the pearly gates with a scale. "oops you are 10 lbs overweight, go to hell"

perhaps you should consider judging people based on whats in their hearts and not the size of their waists.

the nerve of those people
to demand that they be treated like human beings
to demand that they not be ridiculed and demeaned at every turn
to claim they have the right to EXIST in the world
to suggest that being fat might be NATURAL and not a disease.
to suggest that people can come in different sizes and still be respected

what is WRONG with them??

ya know,
when you die and go to heaven, st peter doesnt meet you at the pearly gates with a scale. "oops you are 10 lbs overweight, go to hell"

perhaps you should consider judging people based on whats in their hearts and not the size of their waists.

I don't buy into "being fat" because I lost a bunch of weight and anybody that claims they can't and it's "what's inside" that counts is a complete liar and fool. It makes you more mobile, better looking, and healthier. Also, you can't really deny that fat is unattractive.

If fatness needed defending, Michael Moore would have done it a long time ago, don't you think?

If fatness needed defending, Michael Moore would have done it a long time ago, don't you think?

Yea by a "documentary" too or by a book or both!

I don't buy into "being fat" because I lost a bunch of weight and anybody that claims they can't and it's "what's inside" that counts is a complete liar and fool. It makes you more mobile, better looking, and healthier. Also, you can't really deny that fat is unattractive.

both extreme fat and extreme thin is unattractive. inbetween is in the eye of the beholder

i would much rather be next to a nice fat person than a thin bitch. THATS why whats inside is more important. what do i care what someone LOOKS like? i care how they treat me.

I don't buy into "being fat" because I lost a bunch of weight and anybody that claims they can't and it's "what's inside" that counts is a complete liar and fool. It makes you more mobile, better looking, and healthier. Also, you can't really deny that fat is unattractive.

actually. in most cultures in the world being fat is a symbol that you are better at attaining food and thus can provide for your potential family better and thus it is very attractive. ever been to south beach?

it is what is inside that matters, but that is no excuse to be a kabillion pounds overweight and make other people pay for you to not work or sap healthcare because you can't control yourself. but often obesity (overeating rather) is caused by emotional disfunction... these people should be given psychological help... but then so should everyone... people are messed up.

even if you are skinny, that can't save you from the reprocussions of being hateful and mean. just because you hated who you were when you were fatter doesn't give you liscence to mistreat other people.

Ah yes, NAAFA. Complete idiots. I did a project on obesity half a year ago, and stumbled across their idiotic site. If you fill 2 seats, you should pay for 2 seats. That's not discrimination, that's just plain fair. If you eat 2 hamburgers, you pay for 2 hamburgers.

I also remember seeing a link on their homepage to a extremely stupid statement, made by an even more stupid man. He stated that when the UN declares obesity a global epidemic, it is to control the people of the world, and oppress them. Yeah, make 'em thin and healthy, that'll sure teach them a lesson.

Obesity is clearly a large health-risk, and can be defined as a diseace. If i remember right, it is the second biggest killer in the US (right after smoking). And often, fat people have fat children because they feed them the same mcdonalds-garbage as they themselfs eat. Bastards. No child deserves to be fat. And because of those jackasses (and also skinny people who feed their children garbage - They are just as big bastards), the US has 13-15 year old children who are in danger of dying because they are so fat.

It IS an epidemic. People are dying from it, and it is spreading fastly. If something isn't done, the future generations will grow up being way too fat, and they will most likely pass it on to their children.

Note: I don't dislike overweight people. I don't think skinny people are better than others. But i believe that sick people need help, and when you are so big that it is a health-risk - You are sick.

the nerve of those people
to demand that they be treated like human beings
to demand that they not be ridiculed and demeaned at every turn
to claim they have the right to EXIST in the world
to suggest that being fat might be NATURAL and not a disease.
to suggest that people can come in different sizes and still be respected

what is WRONG with them??

ya know,
when you die and go to heaven, st peter doesnt meet you at the pearly gates with a scale. "oops you are 10 lbs overweight, go to hell"

perhaps you should consider judging people based on whats in their hearts and not the size of their waists.
we're not asking them to go jump off a cliff. We're asking them to eat healthier, exercise more, and be more active.

to demand that they be treated like human beings
to demand that they not be ridiculed and demeaned at every turn
to claim they have the right to EXIST in the world
to suggest that being fat might be NATURAL and not a disease.
to suggest that people can come in different sizes and still be respected

-Wait, how are they currently treated that's not like humans? The nazis treated people like they weren't human by stamping them with IDs, shipping them in cattle cars to camps to be exterminated. Anyone doing that here? No. There's just a social more against being fat. Big deal. Do something about it other than whining.

-To demand not to be ridiculed is to invite ridicule. I mean come on. Who doesn't get ridiculed? Point out a single group of people, anywhere.

-No one claimed fat people don't have the right to exist, so demanding the right to exist is a straw man as WELL as whining. Nazis aren't executing fat people, fat people, in fact, by their large majority (Get it? haw!) are more numerous now than ever. So who's restricting their right to EXIST?

-Fat's natural. Everyone has fat. Some people are fatter than others. But once you start outweighing certain small countries, it's not natural. If it's natural, go out to the wilds and find a bird that weighs 3-4 times other birds of it's species of the same age and sex and height. Or a mammal. There comes a point where it IS a disease.

-People can come in different sizes and be respected. Just because someone is large doesn't mean no one respects them. People who are large and have no respect from anyone probably have more issues than being large.

I'm not saying that there is nothing wrong with being fat, but not all fat people are lazy bums who eat an entire pizza in one meal.

whats wrong with eating a whole pizza in a meal i can do that and at a 30 inch waist i am hardly fat

but yeah i think its silly how obsessed people are with weight these days but if it gets to the point of being a health problem or them taking up literaly several seats on a plain or in a theater then yes they should at least be offered help

-Wait, how are they currently treated that's not like humans? The nazis treated people like they weren't human by stamping them with IDs, shipping them in cattle cars to camps to be exterminated. Anyone doing that here? No. There's just a social more against being fat. Big deal. Do something about it other than whining.

-To demand not to be ridiculed is to invite ridicule. I mean come on. Who doesn't get ridiculed? Point out a single group of people, anywhere.

-No one claimed fat people don't have the right to exist, so demanding the right to exist is a straw man as WELL as whining. Nazis aren't executing fat people, fat people, in fact, by their large majority (Get it? haw!) are more numerous now than ever. So who's restricting their right to EXIST?

-Fat's natural. Everyone has fat. Some people are fatter than others. But once you start outweighing certain small countries, it's not natural. If it's natural, go out to the wilds and find a bird that weighs 3-4 times other birds of it's species of the same age and sex and height. Or a mammal. There comes a point where it IS a disease.

-People can come in different sizes and be respected. Just because someone is large doesn't mean no one respects them. People who are large and have no respect from anyone probably have more issues than being large.
im just going by the thread i just read
some extremely hateful things were written, i was reacting to that. YOU might believe those things, but based on this thread, many of the posters here are of a more harsh opinion.

yeah we might like to run everyones life. force them to be some kind of robot in lock step to our preconceived notion of how people should live

but we dont.

in real life people eat too much, exercise too little, drink too much alcohol, do too many illegal drugs, look at too much porn, drive too fast, spend too much time on the computer, watch too much tv, waste their money on stupid things, and listen to way too much conservative talk radio

i think we should just let people live as they think is best, live our own lives as we think best, and judge others on the way they treat others, not on their bad habits.

the nerve of those people
to demand that they be treated like human beings
to demand that they not be ridiculed and demeaned at every turn
to claim they have the right to EXIST in the world
to suggest that being fat might be NATURAL and not a disease.
to suggest that people can come in different sizes and still be respected

what is WRONG with them??

ya know,
when you die and go to heaven, st peter doesnt meet you at the pearly gates with a scale. "oops you are 10 lbs overweight, go to hell"

perhaps you should consider judging people based on whats in their hearts and not the size of their waists.

hey, if you think i was being harsh, i wasn't meaning to be. it's just, if you need two seats, you should pay for two seats. and if these guys are as secure in their fat-ness, they shouldn't give a damn that people are trying to make them feel bad. and really, i have nothing against people who are slightly overweight. it's people who need two airplane seats who have a problem. it is a medical problem and they need help for it. they don't need to say "oh, well i have no problems" well, i have news: i live in canada, we have universal health care. so that fatass who had three big macs combos for lunch every day for the past 10 years and then sat on his big fat ass all day who then drops with a heart attack one day, i have to pay for his hospital stay.
seriously, if you're carrying around an extra hundred-two hundred pounds, chances are you're not healthy.


oh, and since giving out health info seems to be all the rage... i'm average weight for my height and gender and i bike everywhere and work at a job that requires a lot of moving and carrying heavy things around... so yeah, i'm in decent shape.

I hate when people say being fat is genetic, because it's not. What's genetic is how easy it is for you to become fat. There are 3 different body types, ectomorphic, mesomorphic, and endomorphic. The endomorphic ones have really slow metabolisms and bodies with broad shoulders and a wide girth, these people put on fat, but also muscle easy. Ectomorphic people are the scrawny people that seem to can't get fat no matter how hard they try, or put on muscle. Mesomorphs are in the middle.

I'm an endomorph and pretty much have the slowest metabolism in the world. It doesn't stop me from being decently thin, I need to lose maybe 5-10 pounds.

I'm a xenomorph!

I'm a xenomorph!

Then you have acid for blood, an inside mouth, and tubes coming out of your back. Getting thin is simply a concept of not eating to many spaceship crew or marines.

Sonsy I didn't lose 100 pounds to date a porker FYI

Yeah, I'm sure the skinny chicks are lining up to get a piece of you, Four Fiends.
If anything, I'd guess you lost 100 pounds to date that cute bartender that you're pretty sure is gay too.

The won't eat me, they can't catch me.

Fat people are a burden on society. I absolutely HATE having to wait behind some fatass waddling along, whereas if I was in front of them, I'd be at my destination already.

First of all, haven't you ever watched "Night of the Living Dead"... its not speed, its numbers, and we've definitely got that on our side.
And I'd love to know under what circumstance you've been behind a person so fat that you can't walk around them. In any case, if I were you, I'd get used to society slowing down then, because we're only getting fatter.

I was once stuck behind Rosie O'Donnel at the airport.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitness/08/02/fat.activism.ap/index.html

Just when we're trying to SAVE FAT PEOPLE FROM KILLING THEMSELVES, we get fat-activists.


Its fatsos like these that allow Europeans and canadian to call the US the Fat pigs of the world.What is a real killer though is when people who are not fat say they are. I for one am as skinny as a broom and american bet thats hard for europeans to believe.

LOL. Fat power!

I hope you're not serious. But you easily could be.

There are plenty of fat people who are funny and brilliant, but I don't think they're around at anti-discrimination protests trying to turn their lifestyle into politics.


I'm absolutely serious. I've preferred big women pretty much all my life, which means I've had to deal with the discrimination second-hand pretty much all my life.
My girlfriend is one of those funny and brilliant BBWs and if we knew where the hell those anti-discrimination protests were we'd be there. Unfortunately, they're mostly on the coasts and I'm in the midwest. But I do what I can for the plus-sized community, such as standing up to ignorance and sweeping generalizations, as are littering this post.
I think that bigger people do need some protection, but mostly in the employment area of our country. "Looks" count more than talent in this country, and that includes race and size.
People who say things like "Being fat isn't like being black" sound exactly like the people who say "Being gay isn't like being black." No, its not, they're both completely different from being black. But that doesn't mean they don't have similar problems.

I was once stuck behind Rosie O'Donnel at the airport.

Well then you had bigger problems than just being stuck behind a fat chick.

hey, if you think i was being harsh, i wasn't meaning to be. it's just, if you need two seats, you should pay for two seats. and if these guys are as secure in their fat-ness, they shouldn't give a damn that people are trying to make them feel bad. and really, i have nothing against people who are slightly overweight. it's people who need two airplane seats who have a problem. it is a medical problem and they need help for it. they don't need to say "oh, well i have no problems" well, i have news: i live in canada, we have universal health care. so that fatass who had three big macs combos for lunch every day for the past 10 years and then sat on his big fat ass all day who then drops with a heart attack one day, i have to pay for his hospital stay.
seriously, if you're carrying around an extra hundred-two hundred pounds, chances are you're not healthy.


oh, and since giving out health info seems to be all the rage... i'm average weight for my height and gender and i bike everywhere and work at a job that requires a lot of moving and carrying heavy things around... so yeah, i'm in decent shape.
hey its only human to want what you dont deserve, you dont have to be fat for that.

im honestly just sitting here knowing that most of these kids posting about how easy it is to be thin will be overweight when they are 40 and wonder wtf happened to their metabolism and maybe blaming it on genetics. or getting their insurance company to pay for treatment of their new disease.

getting old is a bitch

I'm absolutely serious. I've preferred big women pretty much all my life, which means I've had to deal with the discrimination second-hand pretty much all my life.
My girlfriend is one of those funny and brilliant BBWs and if we knew where the hell those anti-discrimination protests were we'd be there. Unfortunately, they're mostly on the coasts and I'm in the midwest. But I do what I can for the plus-sized community, such as standing up to ignorance and sweeping generalizations, as are littering this post.
I think that bigger people do need some protection, but mostly in the employment area of our country. "Looks" count more than talent in this country, and that includes race and size.
People who say things like "Being fat isn't like being black" sound exactly like the people who say "Being gay isn't like being black." No, its not, they're both completely different from being black. But that doesn't mean they don't have similar problems.

considering that more that 50% of americans are fat, it shouldnt be so hard to get some fat activism going. we discriminate against ourselves.

isnt everyone on this forum related to a fat person or 2? i dont mean necessarily someone who weighs over 500 lbs, just someone who is fat. do you really think that this relative should be passed over for a job because of size? that s/he should be laughed at? are you this mean to their faces?

I'm absolutely serious. I've preferred big women pretty much all my life, which means I've had to deal with the discrimination second-hand pretty much all my life.
My girlfriend is one of those funny and brilliant BBWs and if we knew where the hell those anti-discrimination protests were we'd be there. Unfortunately, they're mostly on the coasts and I'm in the midwest. But I do what I can for the plus-sized community, such as standing up to ignorance and sweeping generalizations, as are littering this post.
I think that bigger people do need some protection, but mostly in the employment area of our country. "Looks" count more than talent in this country, and that includes race and size.
People who say things like "Being fat isn't like being black" sound exactly like the people who say "Being gay isn't like being black." No, its not, they're both completely different from being black. But that doesn't mean they don't have similar problems.

Well people discriminate based on looks. That's just never going to change, I think it's too fundamental in our thought-processes. The thing is, being gay is something you don't choose, nor is being black, but in many cases you can choose whether or not you're fat. Not an easy choice perhaps, but it exists.

Now the presence of fat people in the US over other countries, what causes this?

-Americans are lazier
-American diet is more fat causing
-Americans are genetically predisposed more towards being fat
-Americans have extreme health and image problems
-Americans just make more food and everyone else is just varying degrees of starvation

I think it's the health and image thing, though. I think the problems of widespread obesity and widespread anorexia/bulimia stem from the same problem. This country is ALL about image and not at all about substance. Getting fat people to be respected more is a noble cause, I guess, but so is getting more talented musicians into the limelight of the music industry. Neither is going to happen anytime soon though.

If they think it’s a good thing to be fat than why don’t we just take morbid obesity off the checklist of disabilities.

:headbang:

Ok I have decided to make my first post here... and damn some of you folks are just down right infuriateing.... *pardon my spelling lack of caffine*

Look yes being over weight is bad for you.. hell I am over weight.. but you know what... there aint jack squat I can do about it... eat veggies, walk, still dont lose weight... and no my thyroid is fine there are other condition besides that.. I am not to bad... my husband likes me and thinks i am sexy so it doesnt bother me..

But some of you are down right crude rude and cruel. I have a friend who has a genetic issue.. she is 6' and weighs alot.. she never leaves her house any more... why.. not because she cant. but because of how people treat her when she does. the comments, the stares..

See to most of you we are just fat blobs... something to make jokes about to point and laugh at. But at the same time you for get that just like you people that are over weight have feelings hopes dreams etc... you dont know if that person who is over weight is over weight due to:

A: Thyroid malfuction
B: Another Medical Condtion IE PCOD
C: Self Esteem Issues where as an anoraic will starve her/his self to death on
can also eat them self to death.
D: Mental Disorder
E: Because they want to be.

You dont know why a person is the way they are they are. And for you to sit there and just toss out insults...
:( you do that when they walk by and you think they can't hear you? But you know what.. alot of the time they do hear you..

Guess it makes you feel all important to know that you can hurt someone else. Yeah it would be great to be a size 10 model with fake boobs like the models in the mags... but ... I think I rather be me... I could use to lose weight... but the condition I have makes that a loseing battle... I just wish people would realize that being fat doesnt mean that I am deaf nor that I dont have feelings.

Well people discriminate based on looks. That's just never going to change, I think it's too fundamental in our thought-processes. The thing is, being gay is something you don't choose, nor is being black, but in many cases you can choose whether or not you're fat. Not an easy choice perhaps, but it exists.

Now the presence of fat people in the US over other countries, what causes this?

-Americans are lazier
-American diet is more fat causing
-Americans are genetically predisposed more towards being fat
-Americans have extreme health and image problems
-Americans just make more food and everyone else is just varying degrees of starvation

I think it's the health and image thing, though. I think the problems of widespread obesity and widespread anorexia/bulimia stem from the same problem. This country is ALL about image and not at all about substance. Getting fat people to be respected more is a noble cause, I guess, but so is getting more talented musicians into the limelight of the music industry. Neither is going to happen anytime soon though.

sigh
too true sb
this is why there are fat activists, in the vain hope that they can overcome our obsession with size.

Yeah it would be great to be a size 10 model with fake boobs like the models in the mags... but ... I think I rather be me... I could use to lose weight... but the condition I have makes that a loseing battle... I just wish people would realize that being fat doesnt mean that I am deaf nor that I dont have feelings.

woah. you think those people are size 10?
try size 0-4 or so.

this is why average weight people feel bad about themselves..

silly thought but protests to me generally sum up images of crowds of ppl walkin miles through streets with plaquards yelling chants and such like... how do u protest against excercise surely the walking part will all be good for them maybe by the end a couple will have lost so much weight theyll get throwmn out the organisation... i know just a silly thought but an amusing one

great first post, onyxrose
*applauds the puter screen*

:headbang:

Ok I have decided to make my first post here... and damn some of you folks are just down right infuriateing.... *pardon my spelling lack of caffine*

Look yes being over weight is bad for you.. hell I am over weight.. but you know what... there aint jack squat I can do about it... eat veggies, walk, still dont lose weight... and no my thyroid is fine there are other condition besides that.. I am not to bad... my husband likes me and thinks i am sexy so it doesnt bother me..

But some of you are down right crude rude and cruel. I have a friend who has a genetic issue.. she is 6' and weighs alot.. she never leaves her house any more... why.. not because she cant. but because of how people treat her when she does. the comments, the stares..

See to most of you we are just fat blobs... something to make jokes about to point and laugh at. But at the same time you for get that just like you people that are over weight have feelings hopes dreams etc... you dont know if that person who is over weight is over weight due to:

A: Thyroid malfuction
B: Another Medical Condtion IE PCOD
C: Self Esteem Issues where as an anorexic will starve her/his self to death on can also eat them self to death.
D: Mental Disorder
E: Because they want to be.

You dont know why a person is the way they are they are. And for you to sit there and just toss out insults...
:( you do that when they walk by and you think they can't hear you? But you know what.. alot of the time they do hear you..

Guess it makes you feel all important to know that you can hurt someone else. Yeah it would be great to be a size 10 model with fake boobs like the models in the mags... but ... I think I rather be me... I could use to lose weight... but the condition I have makes that a loseing battle... I just wish people would realize that being fat doesnt mean that I am deaf nor that I dont have feelings.

And in addition to actual comments, don't forget the magazines and commercials. The best way to read Vogue or Cosmo is to look at the ads. Look at the enormous number of women that all imply being thin is sexy and will get you guys and glamour. Most intelligent women end up avoiding those magazines except for a source of amusement.

Thank you (:fluffle: ) for pointing out the multiple reasons why someone could be overweight, some of which are not a person's fault. My mom had a problem with her thyroid that led her to be morbidly obese during much of my childhood. She didn't sit on her ass and eat chocolate all day either.

"because you want to be" is a shitty reason

That gives me the right to call you a fatass.

"because you want to be" is a shitty reason

That gives me the right to call you a fatass.

Make a distinction between being overweight and being morbidly obese to the point where it affects your health and wellbeing.

An overweight person may choose to stay overweight. That is their right. Just as it is my right to color my hair any color I want, get piercings anywhere and in any number, and do anything else I want to do to my body. Since a person being overweight doesn't affect you, the viewer in *any* way, why do you have "the right" to call them names?

Even someone that's morbidly obese may choose to stay that way. That's a little sad, considering it can have serious effects on your health, but at least in America, health care is based on your employment, not on the government. So it's really none of your business if someone chooses to be fat.

It certainly encouraged me to lose weight.

I think they're nuts but hey they wanna protest fine, they wanna be fat and thus well simply disgusting in appearance and uhealthy also then fine but I see nothing wrong with dieting and or its encouragement. And being fat should be discouraged and fat people should be helped if they want to be. They can be fat and I can be slim and we can all decide for ourselves.

I hope you do realize that being obese is nothing to be proud of, even if you're "being yourself." I hate to pull out my trump card in this argument, but when I was 16, I was 260 pounds. I am 18 and 160 pounds now because I made a concerted effort to lose weight, so I feel almost completely justified in arguing AGAINST people who are defending themselves in a position that's completely indefensible.

It is easy to objectively say that being overweight is "wrong" for a person in the same way it is easy to argue against smoking cigarettes. It's a chronic condition that results in you not only possibly having high blood pressure, bad joints, and heart disease. On top of that, it's not appealing to anyone, no matter what they say.

Also, I'm talking about people that are really fat (like I was) not people that are sort of chubby.

I hope you do realize that being obese is nothing to be proud of, even if you're "being yourself." I hate to pull out my trump card in this argument, but when I was 16, I was 260 pounds. I am 18 and 160 pounds now because I made a concerted effort to lose weight, so I feel almost completely justified in arguing AGAINST people who are defending themselves in a position that's completely indefensible.

It is easy to objectively say that being overweight is "wrong" for a person in the same way it is easy to argue against smoking cigarettes. It's a chronic condition that results in you not only possibly having high blood pressure, bad joints, and heart disease. On top of that, it's not appealing to anyone, no matter what they say.

Also, I'm talking about people that are really fat (like I was) not people that are sort of chubby.

I agree, being seriously overweight to obese is bad for your health and can lead to all sorts of problems with your back, your knees, your feet, your heart....

BUT, I don't think that it's your job (or anyone else) to tell someone that. Doctors let overweight people know they should lose weight. They suggest ways to lose weight. However, it's ultimately that person's choice (assuming no medical factors are causing the high weight).

And if they choose not to exert themselves, not to exercise and take care of themselves, then the only person they hurt is themself.

When you smoke a cigarette you hurt people around you. And yet I see cigarettes marketed all around me. Being around a fat person doesn't hurt you. Yet I see all these diets saying being fat is wrong and bad and you need to change yourself if you are fat.

You can't make value judgements about what other people are like or are able to do. Some people may simply be unable to succeed in losing weight. Maybe it's a personality/mental problem. I'm happy you managed to lose weight, but that doesn't make you the authority.

I hope you do realize that being obese is nothing to be proud of, even if you're "being yourself." I hate to pull out my trump card in this argument, but when I was 16, I was 260 pounds. I am 18 and 160 pounds now because I made a concerted effort to lose weight, so I feel almost completely justified in arguing AGAINST people who are defending themselves in a position that's completely indefensible.

It is easy to objectively say that being overweight is "wrong" for a person in the same way it is easy to argue against smoking cigarettes. It's a chronic condition that results in you not only possibly having high blood pressure, bad joints, and heart disease. On top of that, it's not appealing to anyone, no matter what they say.

Also, I'm talking about people that are really fat (like I was) not people that are sort of chubby.

actually some people are VERY attracted to extremely large people. they find them appealing. granted its not for everyone but then the extremely large are fairly rare.

i dont think that the point is that is HEALTHY to be fat. or that its GOOD.

to me the point is that some people are larger than others and that its best to just let them BE.

youre not gonna shame a 300 lb person into dieting. they know they are fat. they are just trying to live their life as best they can.

you know its not easy to lose weight. only 10% of diets succeed in losing a substantial amount of weight. of those who DO lose a substantial amount of weight, only 10% KEEP it off. a fat person has about a 1% chance of the next diet succeeding

it may SEEM like there are tons of books and resources out there for people to lose weight but the vast majority of diet plans are lies. bald faced lies. lies designed to trick the desperate into spending money on something that has 0 chance of working "when is a diet pill worth $150 a bottle? when it WORKS" lies lies lies. desperate people fall for them over and over until they come to believe that they are unable to lose weight. "ive tried everything and nothing works" they have tried all the lies.

so there comes a point where a person just wants to LIVE. to think about something other than being fat. to accept themselves as they are instead of despising themselves. have some life. focus on things they CAN change. go to college, get a new job, learn a language. to come to some accomodation with reality.

and to not take shit every day of their lives from intolerant people around them who judge people by their size.

Well, all I can say is that these activists are signing their own death sentence.

The problem in the end is that fat people cost thousands in medical bills every year which means they cost the taxpayer a lot of money too. You juts can't assume that I don't empathize with people that are overweight because I was ludicrously overweight.

Fat people deserve the same rights and dignity as anyone else.

It may surprise some of you to know that not every overweight person out there is a lazy slob who shovels cakes into their mouths all day - for many, it is a glandular/and or psychological problem.

It always pisses me off how the same people who weep tears of sympathy for anorexics and bolemics scorn derisiviely at obesity. It's the same kind of affliction, you stupid f***s. :mad:

Speaking for myself, I'm 6'4'', 350 lbs, love drinking beer and eating large quantities of red meat - and you know what? I don't apologise to anyone for it. If you've got a problem with me, it's exactly that - YOUR PROBLEM. Sure, I may die early, but hey, guess what, that's my decision, too.

Thing is when I was younger, I used to let it get to me. These days, when someone calls me "fatso" (and trust me, I have heard every possible variation on the theme, so you're not original or funny) I just laugh and say "Well no shit! And all this time I thought I was skinny - are you some kind of detective? Your powers of observation are amazing!" ;) Or, depending on my mood, I swat them like flies, with my big meaty paw! :)

But relating to the article in the orignal post - yes, these people are a bunch of twerps. ;)

P.S. I find chubby girls a LOT sexier than extremely skinny girls. ;)

Most of my friends are the same (and they're not all fat like me), but magazines and fashion shows try to convince women that men only like anorexically thin females. :(

This I have mixed values. People should indulge, people being fat is a part of that, so it's okay. But obese people and severly overweight people are turning that against them in no longer being able to indulge because they are shortening their life and making life in general more difficult. People shouldn't be afraid to have a little bit of meat on their bones, but people should know when they are unhealthily obese. This organisation is fighting to allow unhealthy obesity to become acceptable and normal, which will make people think it's okay to get fat and thus people will. This will cause more and more people to die from unhealthy life styles and obesity related diseases.

It always pisses me off how the same people who weep tears of sympathy for anorexics and bolemics scorn derisiviely at obesity. It's the same kind of affliction, you stupid f***s.
Except it's in reverse, skinny is popular and people are in general idiots.

Guess it makes you feel all important to know that you can hurt someone else. Yeah it would be great to be a size 10 model with fake boobs like the models in the mags... but ... I think I rather be me... I could use to lose weight... but the condition I have makes that a loseing battle... I just wish people would realize that being fat doesnt mean that I am deaf nor that I dont have feelings.


*hugs* i know you have feelings.. try size 0 though dear.. im size 3? and fighting to get down to size 2 at 6'.. not that ill ever be a model.. but.. yea.. personally i cant stand to have a single peice of fat on me.. but.. i know how hard it is :( to lose.. I dont laugh at anyone for being so.. some of the prettiest girls i know have been the ones who are overweight. Personally, i think alot of people do have fun hurting people.. but im not one of them.

Angel

Fat people deserve the same rights and dignity as anyone else.

It always pisses me off how the same people who weep tears of sympathy for anorexics and bolemics scorn derisiviely at obesity. It's the same kind of affliction, you stupid f***s. :mad:



Agreed on the first.. On the second.. i feel sorry for my bulimic sisters.. their issues arent even weight related.. its from stress.. as for anorexics.. anorexia is a symptom of their issues, its not about the weight.. its about a fanatical need of control, and to prove they are perfect to the world..and perfect in everything.. thats why so many of them are such driven people.. and thats why once you become anorexic, its with you for life, even when its in recession its their waiting to come back.. and its why even the hospitals fail to cure it, they dont understand, they think its only a wish to be thin, when it isnt.. its just a wish to be perfect

and in case your wondering, yes, im a member of the pro anorexia community.. so i guess im just as bad as the fat activists, because i want people to leave anorexics alone about thier weights..

i say call a meeting for these fat activists. then make them park really far away. by the time they reach the meeting they will all be thinking. "Man I got to lose some weight!"

*hugs* i know you have feelings.. try size 0 though dear.. im size 3? and fighting to get down to size 2 at 6'.. not that ill ever be a model.. but.. yea.. personally i cant stand to have a single peice of fat on me.. but.. i know how hard it is :( to lose.. I dont laugh at anyone for being so.. some of the prettiest girls i know have been the ones who are overweight. Personally, i think alot of people do have fun hurting people.. but im not one of them.

Angel
Actually, a lot of people have been correcting her on the size 10 thing, but it's almost an acceptable figure, in that women's sizes are totally screwed up.
I, for example, am a 0-10 depending on the manufacturer. That's a pretty broad range...
so maybe the size 0 models have to wear size 10 in some less popular clothes. Truth is, any company that fits a size 10 woman into a size 8 is gonna sell more clothes. Which is why we should use an objective measurement system like guys do. But maybe they already do that in other countries?

I heard a designer talking on some tv show, and he explained that they like models to be size 0 or smaller because that way, the girl's body doesn't distort the way their clothing looks. That's pretty weird I think. They actually said they wanted their clothes to look as close as possible to how they look on the hanger. Seems to me if they're designing women's clothes, they should make it so it looks distorted on the hanger and terrific on the women

I hope you do realize that being obese is nothing to be proud of, even if you're "being yourself." I hate to pull out my trump card in this argument, but when I was 16, I was 260 pounds. I am 18 and 160 pounds now because I made a concerted effort to lose weight, so I feel almost completely justified in arguing AGAINST people who are defending themselves in a position that's completely indefensible.

It is easy to objectively say that being overweight is "wrong" for a person in the same way it is easy to argue against smoking cigarettes. It's a chronic condition that results in you not only possibly having high blood pressure, bad joints, and heart disease. On top of that, it's not appealing to anyone, no matter what they say.

Also, I'm talking about people that are really fat (like I was) not people that are sort of chubby.

Well, that answered a lot of my queries right there. First of all, you're 18. Losing weight at 18 is like crapping on the ground... it don't take much to achieve.
Reading your posts, I can't help but think that you lost all that weight to improve your self-image, but judging by the way you insult entire groups of people you've never met, you obviously have some improvements left to make.
And as for your other asinine comment, my girlfriend that I've been dating for six months is one of those "really fat" people you say is not appealing to anyone. She was "really fat" when I met her and I find her very sexy.
So, basically, stop judging people and grow up. Stop trying to torment the world for your own personal demons.
Kelly Houlihan

who is kelly houlihan?

Actually, according to a study I recently read (sorry, I can't quote it, it was in a paper magazine and I don't even remember where) it may be more unhealthy to diet and exercise repeatedly to lose weight ("yo-yo effect" style) than it is to just be a bit overweight.

Now, I knew that repeated dieting made losing weight a lot harder, particularly for people of certain ethnic backgrounds (my Scots-Irish/British/Welsh mother actually gained weight on an 800 calorie a day + exercise regime) but this involved longterm glycohemoglobin levels, diabetes, and heart disease, all of which were worse in yo-yo dieters than in plain old fat folks.

I think there might've been something comparing longterm mortality rates among the slightly underweight, normal weight, and slightly overweight that implied that if anything, it's better to be overweight than underweight, but I think I read that elsewhere... and I can also see a lot of ways that statistic could be abused if you don't start out with healthy folks.

Well, I'm on the "If it's unhealthy, it's bad" camp, but I won't judge people until I know them. If they're obese (different to 'fat', people need to learn which word to use when), and never bother to do any exercise, then yes. It's their own damn fault. If they sue a fast food chain for 'making them fat', they are idiots. Say it with me now. Idiots.

*BUT* - I'm also against all the societal pressures that cause fat (not obese, note) people to be judged. All the idiotic diets and the bastards making money off them should be rounded up and sunk in the ocean. All the advertising that, essentially, says "Look! Thin girl with breasts! Buy our product! Look! Thin guy with muscles! Give us money!" should be gotten rid of (I hate advertising of almost all kinds though, so I'll try not to rant too much about that).

I do have relatives who are fat. And you know what? It's because they eat too much and don't exercise enough. My aunt has contracted diabetes (yes, you can contract one form of it, due to being overweight. And yes, there is another form that is genetic) through being too overweight. That's a health issue, no matter how you try and weasel out of it. And I have no pity for them. They don't exercise, they eat fatty foods. If they get passed up for a job because of it, I'd either encourage them to sue for discrimination (if the discrimination was obvious), or suck it up and either get fit or apply somewhere else.

And now, the bigger beef - all the damn fat people who bitch about thin people. Seriously. Shut the hell up. You want to be treated equally, and not judged for what you look like? THEN DON'T INSULT SOMEONE ELSE BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

Grah, this pisses me off no end. I'm verging on being seriously underweight. I exercise everyday, but only through day-to-day things like walking around my school and climbing stairs. I eat pizza and chips and just about nothing else (mainly because I'm a fussy eater, but meh). So when some arsehole accuses me of being anorexic just because I'm underweight, I really really want to punch them. You want to accuse me of being mentally unstable, but god FORBID I say that people who are morbidly obese should maybe exercise?

Well, all I can say is I don't have much damn pity for your cause, you jerks*.

*not directed at all - just the hypocrites amongst us

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitness/08/02/fat.activism.ap/index.html

Just when we're trying to SAVE FAT PEOPLE FROM KILLING THEMSELVES, we get fat-activists.


LMAO

I say kill the fat bastards. I got no sympathy for anyone today. :sniper:

Seriously though, there's fat & there's obese. You can be a bit overweight & still perfectly heathy. People shouldn't be made to feel bad because their natural body shape doesn't conform to what is portrayed in the media as perfection.

However, when somebody is obese to the point that they are damaging their health, it starts to become a problem because it puts a strain on societys resources (eg. public hospitals). It's similar to alcoholism & other forms of drug-addiction. Everything in moderation people.

I do have a little more sympathy for people who are overweight because of psychological issues, but still, these people should get help & look after their minds as well as their bodies.

First of all, haven't you ever watched "Night of the Living Dead"... its not speed, its numbers, and we've definitely got that on our side.
And I'd love to know under what circumstance you've been behind a person so fat that you can't walk around them. In any case, if I were you, I'd get used to society slowing down then, because we're only getting fatter.

I work at a bingo place, and often I have to walk between tables or down hallways (formed by tables).

Sometimes if there's two fat people sitting back-to-back, I can't get between their chairs to go between the tables, so I have to go way out of my way.

Or sometimes if I'm trying to walk down the hallway, there'll be a fatty in front of me, which is even worse, because there's no detours I can take, so I just have to wait, even though I have a job to do, and it needs to be done right then.

Are you sure you're not the Inane Troll?

Are you sure you're not the Inane Troll?

I used to be Inane Troll, but that one got deated.

Or are you saying my posts are inane?

I didn't bother reading the article, 'cause I could care less.

My ex-girlfriend suffered through anorexia and bulemia, with me being really the only thing trying to help her. She's doing a lot better now, but I'm still none to happy with the media.

Why? Because we're raised and taught that it's physical appearence that matters most-and that everyone has to like the same thing.

But really, you don't want to get me started on an anti-media rant. That'll take PAGES.



In short, fat people are people too. Remember Chris Farley? One of the funniest people EVER. No joke, I loved that dude.

Agreed on the first.. On the second.. i feel sorry for my bulimic sisters.. their issues arent even weight related.. its from stress.. as for anorexics.. anorexia is a symptom of their issues, its not about the weight.. its about a fanatical need of control, and to prove they are perfect to the world..and perfect in everything.. thats why so many of them are such driven people.. and thats why once you become anorexic, its with you for life, even when its in recession its their waiting to come back.. and its why even the hospitals fail to cure it, they dont understand, they think its only a wish to be thin, when it isnt.. its just a wish to be perfect

and in case your wondering, yes, im a member of the pro anorexia community.. so i guess im just as bad as the fat activists, because i want people to leave anorexics alone about thier weights..

Please, do not be "pro anorexia." This is a disease that literally kills people. Just like there's a difference between "overweight" and "dangerously overweight to the point where it's unhealthy," there's a difference between "skinny" and "dangerously skinny to the point where it's unhealthy.

I almost lost a loved one because of it. I can vividly remember her telling me I couldn't call, because she was going to the hospital. I do not wish this on anyone else.

I used to be Inane Troll, but that one got deated.

Or are you saying my posts are inane?

Could be...

...depends on whether your post was serious or a joke...

Could be...

...depends on whether your post was serious or a joke...

Mostly serious.

Actually, a lot of people have been correcting her on the size 10 thing, but it's almost an acceptable figure, in that women's sizes are totally screwed up.
I, for example, am a 0-10 depending on the manufacturer. That's a pretty broad range...
so maybe the size 0 models have to wear size 10 in some less popular clothes. Truth is, any company that fits a size 10 woman into a size 8 is gonna sell more clothes. Which is why we should use an objective measurement system like guys do. But maybe they already do that in other countries?

I heard a designer talking on some tv show, and he explained that they like models to be size 0 or smaller because that way, the girl's body doesn't distort the way their clothing looks. That's pretty weird I think. They actually said they wanted their clothes to look as close as possible to how they look on the hanger. Seems to me if they're designing women's clothes, they should make it so it looks distorted on the hanger and terrific on the women

size 0? *jelousy*

*nods* i know... i think i was.. second.. And honestly, i can believe that thats how they do it when they design clothing.. because they dont design it with the person in mind.. just how it is.. somehow though, i doubt most models would have to wear a size 10 in somethings.. Theirs allmost nothing i have to go over size 6 for.. unless i felt like wearing something from the kids sections..(and their are some things from it i /can/ wear, i just have to be ultra picky being 6')


I didn't bother reading the article, 'cause I could care less.

My ex-girlfriend suffered through anorexia and bulemia, with me being really the only thing trying to help her. She's doing a lot better now, but I'm still none to happy with the media.



congrats on her getting better, hopefully shes one of the lucky few to make a full recovery


Please, do not be "pro anorexia." This is a disease that literally kills people. Just like there's a difference between "overweight" and "dangerously overweight to the point where it's unhealthy," there's a difference between "skinny" and "dangerously skinny to the point where it's unhealthy.

I almost lost a loved one because of it. I can vividly remember her telling me I couldn't call, because she was going to the hospital. I do not wish this on anyone else.

sorry dear, its not something one choses, it is a mental disease.. a very dangerous one. I decided i could either let it destroy me, or take some control over it.. and thanks to that, and my own friends fighting me constantly on it.. ill never be one of those lucky enough to get waif-thin.. but even so i love with a passion the weeks where ill drop 12-13 pounds in 5-6 days.. even though ill spend the next two fighting my roomates as they convince, badger or trick me into gaining it back.. so at years end for the last 2-3 years ive only lost mayeb 5-10 pounds a year.. *sighs* baka.. one of these days i need to make good on my threat to move out.. but cause im afraid of ana.. i dont

I work at a bingo place, and often I have to walk between tables or down hallways (formed by tables).

Sometimes if there's two fat people sitting back-to-back, I can't get between their chairs to go between the tables, so I have to go way out of my way.

Or sometimes if I'm trying to walk down the hallway, there'll be a fatty in front of me, which is even worse, because there's no detours I can take, so I just have to wait, even though I have a job to do, and it needs to be done right then.

Wait, wait, wait, just a second... you work in a "bingo place" and you have the chutzpah to insult fat people?
Wow, I thought I heard everything. Thanks.
And by the way, for whoever asked, I'm Kelly Houlihan.

Wait, wait, wait, just a second... you work in a "bingo place" and you have the chutzpah to insult fat people?
Wow, I thought I heard everything. Thanks.
And by the way, for whoever asked, I'm Kelly Houlihan.

I have to do something to pay the bills.

Plus, it's actually a really good job. I get paid well for doing extremely easy work. And there's a lot of space to advance within the place.

Edit: There are about 60,000 people in my town, and the bingo place I work at is the only place they can go to gamble without driving an hour and a half.

A lot of people come and play every day, the place makes an obscene amount of money.

Wait, wait, wait, just a second... you work in a "bingo place" and you have the chutzpah to insult fat people?
Wow, I thought I heard everything. Thanks.
And by the way, for whoever asked, I'm Kelly Houlihan.
so what about bingo places? what does that have to do with fat people
now if he was the manager of mcdonalds...

sorry dear, its not something one choses, it is a mental disease.. a very dangerous one. I decided i could either let it destroy me, or take some control over it.. and thanks to that, and my own friends fighting me constantly on it.. ill never be one of those lucky enough to get waif-thin.. but even so i love with a passion the weeks where ill drop 12-13 pounds in 5-6 days.. even though ill spend the next two fighting my roomates as they convince, badger or trick me into gaining it back.. so at years end for the last 2-3 years ive only lost mayeb 5-10 pounds a year.. *sighs* baka.. one of these days i need to make good on my threat to move out.. but cause im afraid of ana.. i dont

I KNOW it's not something one chooses, but it's something you have to fight. Are you currently seeing anyone about this, any proffesionals? I know that there are people who specialize in helping treat eating disorders.