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All I need to mention is "PNAC". Not to mention that mankind would be extinct if everyone in the world was as fat and immobile as the average US citizen. So there, I do not want a US empire spanning the entire globe. The EU beats the US in anything worth beating it in anyway.

I agree with you on PNAC, but just fuck off. I hope some fat american takes a giant taco bell shit on you for this.

This post = soon to see the lockage.

All I need to mention is "PNAC". Not to mention that mankind would be extinct if everyone in the world was as fat and immobile as the average US citizen. So there, I do not want a US empire spanning the entire globe. The EU beats the US in anything worth beating it in anyway.
If you want to make a real argument, please do so. But do not just lay out some racist ideas you have with no backing.

This post = soon to see the lockage.

I did post it in the Mod forum so we shall see!

I agree with you on PNAC, but just fuck off. I hope some fat american takes a giant taco bell shit on you for this.

I know I want too but its beneath me to stoop to his level and I can tell you that I'm not a fat American! I'm a Fit and athletic American.

well if you are worried about saving the world then you will need to kill off all of mankind. good luck with that, unless you are a bio-engineer.

•The foreign and defense policies of Ronald Reagan resulted in the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the freeing of approximately 122 million people in Eastern Europe.

• The state of Israel would cease to exist if not for American protection, and about 5.5 million Jews would be in grave danger.

• Nearly 23 million Taiwanese would be denied freedom if not for American protection. More than 48 million South Koreans would be living under a dictatorship if not for American protection. USA action led to the removal of the Serbian dictator Milosevic , who was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people in the Balkans.

• The USA and Britain removed the Iraqi dictator Hussein, who was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East.

And we have also removed the terrorist Taliban government in Afghanistan.

• America is sending $15 billion to Africa to help victims of AIDS. We were unable to find out how much France contributes, if anything. To be fair, Canada sends $270 million, which is substantial for them but still less than 2% of what we send.

• American action in Central America, Grenanda, and Haiti has kept millions of people out of totalitarian regimes. Of course, all of this has cost every American taxpayer big. And thousands of American servicepeople have lost their lives protecting people overseas. At the same time we have not stolen an acre of land or a drop of oil.

It is insulting and dishonest for Americans and Canadians and Europeans to condemn this country because they don't like certain policies. Dissent is good. Slander is unacceptable.

"The truth is that the USA has freed more human beings than the rest of the world combined. France has freed almost no one. Ditto Canada.

So, pardon me as I object to the Michael Moores of the world — and that man is too cowardly to come in here, all right? Pardon me as I object to the anti-American foreign press and bums like Chirac in France and Chretien in Canada.

America has a provable history of freeing oppressed people all over the world in fighting evil dictators. Canada should be ashamed that so many of its young people are flat out ignorant. And Americans should wise up and realize we are living in a changing world. Old friends are not necessarily true friends because they no have a warped sense of what is evil and what is not. May GOD help us if this ignorance continues."

what's up with that? (post #1)
i can understand this poor guys logic, but why the need to make it seem like ALL americans are bad? i know some extremely great amercians, and some complete assholes, but i still dont see the need to be so racist about it. sorry, but thats how it is.

First..33% of the world population is clinically obese (I've seen some monstrous sized whales in Germany and Russia)...Second..I keep hearing bout this American Empire...but I guess I must be out of the loop..cause I haven't taken my oath of vassal secundus to my Count, Baron, or Lord...damn my disloyalty...Third...will someone please explain to me what the hell is hte PNAC?...

And were it not for the United States nuclear armaments..it is entirely likely that most of Europe would had suffered the same oppression as the Hungarians and the Czechs.

Enjoy the visit from the CIA with their MP5s as they drag your ass out of your house and arrest you for making this post. *waves*

Nah!

No need to lock it.

Just don't give him the attention he so desperatly needs.

Enjoy the visit from the CIA with their MP5s as they drag your ass out of your house and arrest you for making this post. *waves*

He's from Germany Microevil

I also agree on PNAC, but by making inflamatory statements you only serve to strengthen the U.S. vs. THEM mentality that is so prevalent in this country (the US) You are the reason people talk about critics of Smerican policy "hating freedom" and such bullshit. You should not be such an ass, and your points will better recieved.

•The foreign and defense policies of Ronald Reagan resulted in the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the freeing of approximately 122 million people in Eastern Europe.

• The state of Israel would cease to exist if not for American protection, and about 5.5 million Jews would be in grave danger.

• Nearly 23 million Taiwanese would be denied freedom if not for American protection. More than 48 million South Koreans would be living under a dictatorship if not for American protection. USA action led to the removal of the Serbian dictator Milosevic , who was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people in the Balkans.

• The USA and Britain removed the Iraqi dictator Hussein, who was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East.

And we have also removed the terrorist Taliban government in Afghanistan.

• America is sending $15 billion to Africa to help victims of AIDS. We were unable to find out how much France contributes, if anything. To be fair, Canada sends $270 million, which is substantial for them but still less than 2% of what we send.

• American action in Central America, Grenanda, and Haiti has kept millions of people out of totalitarian regimes. Of course, all of this has cost every American taxpayer big. And thousands of American servicepeople have lost their lives protecting people overseas. At the same time we have not stolen an acre of land or a drop of oil.

It is insulting and dishonest for Americans and Canadians and Europeans to condemn this country because they don't like certain policies. Dissent is good. Slander is unacceptable.

"The truth is that the USA has freed more human beings than the rest of the world combined. France has freed almost no one. Ditto Canada.

So, pardon me as I object to the Michael Moores of the world — and that man is too cowardly to come in here, all right? Pardon me as I object to the anti-American foreign press and bums like Chirac in France and Chretien in Canada.

America has a provable history of freeing oppressed people all over the world in fighting evil dictators. Canada should be ashamed that so many of its young people are flat out ignorant. And Americans should wise up and realize we are living in a changing world. Old friends are not necessarily true friends because they no have a warped sense of what is evil and what is not. May GOD help us if this ignorance continues."

Dont forget the countless dictators and genocidal maniacs the US have brought to power and keep in power for their own geostrategical and economic goals. Freeing Iraq and Afghanistan? Well.. who brought them the joy of Hussein or the Taliban in the first place? Who made Bin Laden? Who's torturing people in Iraq today, who violated international law and human rights in Guantanamo Bay? Maybe not all Americans are fat like walruses, but the majority is. You may thank your great culture for this, which means Coca Cola and Mc Donalds are the gods of capitalism and success. The peanuts the US spend to help countries in need, compared to the massive amounts spent for useless crap like the military, make it look like the scrooges of the world.

I've seen some monstrous sized whales in Germany and Russia


AHHHHH thanks for giving me flash backs!

Don't ever go to Goa (India) during the tourist season.

You can see 3-400 pound Russians and or Germans in Speedos! :eek:

*Starts stabbing his eyes with a fork*

;)

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So, pardon me as I object to the Michael Moores of the world


-But then again, without the Michael Moores of the world, who talk about what is WRONG with the country, we really wouldnt have a country to begin with. I mean, if everyone just decided to go along to get along with england....

And hey, America's great - but let's make it better

He's from Germany Microevil
That's why the CIA is going, if he was in America, the FBI would be banging on his door.

wtf is pnac? i also think the americans are taking over the world, the government though, not joe public, so dont take it out on the poor sods who just work like anyone else. our british government sucks balls too ya know.

That's why the CIA is going, if he was in America, the FBI would be banging on his door.

Nah it'll be the Secret Service Doomingsland!

AHHHHH thanks for giving me flash backs!

Don't ever go to Goa (India) during the tourist season.

You can see 3-400 pound Russians and or Germans in Speedos! :eek:

*Starts stabbing his eyes with a fork*

;)
Don't go to Florida in summer season. You can see 500-700 pound Americans in thongs!!!

Don't go to Florida in summer season. You can see 500-700 pound Americans in thongs!!!

That's gonna be a tough image to forget. Thanks alot.

He's from Germany Microevil

Ever heard of Rammstein Army base? It's a contingent of about 30k US troops in the middle of germany, they'll be there in about 20 minutes :D .

That's why the CIA is going, if he was in America, the FBI would be banging on his door.
Hahaha the CIA.. roflmao. You mean the worthless and unskilled idiots who led the US to war, to get their own soldiers killed and have them rape and torture helpless prisoners? Hahahaha.. .you are funny.

Don't go to Florida in summer season. You can see 500-700 pound Americans in thongs!!!

Better then seeing those self same 500-700 lb French, Italian, and Spaniards on the nude beaches of the Riviera...

Ever heard of Rammstein Army base? It's a contingent of about 30k US troops in the middle of germany, they'll be there in about 20 minutes :D .

Hell yea! I lived there for 2 years when I was 3! Giggles! And your right! Someone get an address and call military command.

Ever heard of Rammstein Army base? It's a contingent of about 30k US troops in the middle of germany, they'll be there in about 20 minutes :D .
Your soldiers are probably too busy raping each other and torturing their little children, burning kittens and eating stuff from Mc Donalds. I support throwing them out of Germany, so just wait until we get a chancellor with some balls. Besides.. if you have to silence opposition and some america bashing with military force, then you just reinforce my opinion. The nazi america and corrupt corporate police state you already are, has its dirty fat fingers in many countries, which sucks.

Hahaha the CIA.. roflmao. You mean the worthless and unskilled idiots who led the US to war, to get their own soldiers killed and have them rape and torture helpless prisoners? Hahahaha.. .you are funny.

You know..you talk a lot of crap for someone born in a country that has a history, in fact a long and bloody history of agression to one's neighbors, a country mind you followed like sheep for virtually every leader you've had, from King Frederick on down to Hitler, and as far as the CIA being worthless, perhaps...but by far better then the Stasi...you know them...the former East German sadists..I mean...East German Secret Police..the ones that had files on virtually every living East German?...the Stasi that would torture people who tried to defect to West Germany?..

Please..this is so much the pot calling the kettle black.

All I need to mention is "PNAC". Not to mention that mankind would be extinct if everyone in the world was as fat and immobile as the average US citizen. So there, I do not want a US empire spanning the entire globe. The EU beats the US in anything worth beating it in anyway.

Stupid anti-american idiots WE ARE NOT ALL FAT YOU DUMB ASS! If we are so immobile then why are we still a super power? Why do we have the best military this world has ever seen? We are not an empire we are a jeffersonian democracy. The EU could not fight the US for they probebly dont have the guts to do so last i checked most european nations don't even have a death sentence so if you don't have the guts to kill criminals what makes you think they would have the guts to attack us? Not to mention we have great influence in europe

Ever heard of Rammstein Army base? It's a contingent of about 30k US troops in the middle of germany, they'll be there in about 20 minutes :D .

Air Force

...they will attack with their golf clubs

will someone please explain to me what the hell is the PNAC?...

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/What%20Is%20the%20PNAC%20And%20Who%20Are%20Its%20Members.pdf

http://www.moveon.org/moveonbulletin/bulletin13.html

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

I hope some fat american takes a giant taco bell shit on you for this.

One word: Eww.

Dont forget the countless dictators and genocidal maniacs the US have brought to power and keep in power for their own geostrategical and economic goals. Freeing Iraq and Afghanistan? Well.. who brought them the joy of Hussein or the Taliban in the first place? Who made Bin Laden? Who's torturing people in Iraq today, who violated international law and human rights in Guantanamo Bay? Maybe not all Americans are fat like walruses, but the majority is. You may thank your great culture for this, which means Coca Cola and Mc Donalds are the gods of capitalism and success. The peanuts the US spend to help countries in need, compared to the massive amounts spent for useless crap like the military, make it look like the scrooges of the world.

-Laughs-

I saw your German right?

WW1 and WW2. Germany has been involved with the deaths of far more people then the US.

Pot meet Kettle.

Your soldiers are probably too busy raping each other and torturing their little children, burning kittens and eating stuff from Mc Donalds. I support throwing them out of Germany, so just wait until we get a chancellor with some balls. Besides.. if you have to silence opposition and some america bashing with military force, then you just reinforce my opinion. The nazi america and corrupt corporate police state you already are, has its dirty fat fingers in many countries, which sucks.

We're nazi's... listen to you talk hitler youth boy. *in lame german accent* Get the Americans out of the Fatherland! We protected your asses for YEARS while the cammies owned half of your country and people like you are the thanks we get, on a side note I support our troops leaving their, too. Mostly because our troops should be here in the states protecting my ass, after all that's what my tax dollars pay them to do.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/What%20Is%20the%20PNAC%20And%20Who%20Are%20Its%20Members.pdf

http://www.moveon.org/moveonbulletin/bulletin13.html

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Oh..I see..more conspiracy material..and once I saw moveon.org...I knew I just couldn't take it with a grain of salt.

Your soldiers are probably too busy raping each other and torturing their little children, burning kittens and eating stuff from Mc Donalds. I support throwing them out of Germany, so just wait until we get a chancellor with some balls. Besides.. if you have to silence opposition and some america bashing with military force, then you just reinforce my opinion. The nazi america and corrupt corporate police state you already are, has its dirty fat fingers in many countries, which sucks.

Your a sad close minded person. If we were a sadistic as you think we would have nuked every one who even think of opposing us we would have destroyed the UN not to mention started invading the middle esast with a un stoppable force and would lay seige and burn cities to the ground. We havn't done that though. We go into cities to keep civilian casualties to a minimum we let them evacutate their cities. We would have used military force to shut the french up if what you said was true.

ROFL...I keep having this vision that Gigatron looks just Colonel Klink from "Hogan's Heroes"...ROFLMAO!!!!....

fat

I'm not fat. Most of us aren't.

immobile

Interesting that you would post this on an internet forum.

Let's see that again:

immobile

Gigatron
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 523

500+ posts in less than 2 months.

One more time:

immobile

Now I just have to laugh.

average US citizen

And what, pray tell, would that be?


:rolleyes:

ROFL...I keep having this vision that Gigatron looks just Colonel Klink from "Hogan's Heroes"...ROFLMAO!!!!....

ROFL!

Why do you people keep posting in threads like these that are clearly meant to start a flame war?

Oh, damn, I did it too. :eek:

ROFL...I keep having this vision that Gigatron looks just Colonel Klink from "Hogan's Heroes"...ROFLMAO!!!!....

ROTFLMAO

Oh..I see..more conspiracy material..and once I saw moveon.org...I knew I just couldn't take it with a grain of salt.


well thats very intelligent of you to disregard everything moveon has to say because they are on the liberal side of the spectrum. Oh wait, no, I didn't mean intelligent... ummm what's the word? Anyway you could also look here http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6668400&postcount=3

or you could go to the third link which is the site for the PNAC (far from being a conspiracy) Maybe you should try an open mind one day. Today is a good day.

Because I want to give him as much rope as possible..if he wants to be the target of derision,and scorn..then it's obvious he's a masochist...and I have no problem giving it to him til it hurts him...lol..

Because I want to give him as much rope as possible..if he wants to be the target of derision,and scorn..then it's obvious he's a masochist...and I have no problem giving it to him til it hurts him...lol..

We are americans and when they mess with us they get burned! Just ask Mad King George, Mexico, Spain, Germany, Nazi Germany, Japan

Your a sad close minded person. If we were a sadistic as you think we would have nuked every one who even think of opposing us we would have destroyed the UN not to mention started invading the middle esast with a un stoppable force and would lay seige and burn cities to the ground. We havn't done that though. We go into cities to keep civilian casualties to a minimum we let them evacutate their cities. We would have used military force to shut the french up if what you said was true.
Well destroy the UN, very much you did. Not entirely yet, but you'll see the effects of your unilateral war ignoring the UN, violating the UN charter as blatantly as you did. The US are not the only nation in the world who are capable of waging wars and then I want to see you squeal and try to uphold the rules... they'll just fart in your general direction and break the rules like you did.

You already did invade the middle east with unstoppable force. While you didnt use its entire force yet, I am sure Syria or Iran will be next to fall under US empire occupation.

You dont go into cities to protect citizens. The first thing you did in WW 2 and both Iraq wars is, to bomb the country to hell and back, killing hundreds of thousands of Germans in WW2 and thousands of innocent Iraqis in both Iraq war. While Hitler was responsible for the killing of millions of jews and others who opposed the Nazis, the US do it more subtle under the guise of humanitarian aid.

So basically what Gigatron is trying to say here is: "0MFG!!!111 AM3RICA IZ SUXX0RZ!!111!!!!! TH0Z3 FUKK1N CAP1TALIS7 BASTURDZ R GUNA DIE CUZ 7H3Y R FUKK1N EV1L!!!!!!11111!!!1!! L3TZ N00K THOZ3 FUKK1N M0R0NZ T0 H3LL!!11111!!!!!!1!!!"


You're German, right, Gigatron? Let's make a comparison: what has Germany done for the world in the last, oh, century or so? They started two world wars that THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA had to come in and clean up. You Germans lack the testicular fortitude to go into Iraq to remove an evil dictator, yet stand outside the fray hurling insults at--who else--the Americans, who are once again doing the dirty work (I haven't seen Germany sending any foreign aid anywhere in the world, much less Iraq).

You make me sick, you really do. You are so ungrateful for the things the U.S. does to keep this world of ours free. What has Germany done to keep the world free? You think about that.





God bless America: the land of the free and the home of the brave.


--Shermanica

gigatron is some dumbass neo-nazi shithead who would rather live with his head in the sand than take a good look at what's happening in the world. If the US hadn't rebuilt his POS country after ww2 they'd be living in caves sodomizing eachother. I thank God my ancestors were smart enough to leave that dungheap you call Germany and come to the US.

We have NO FORIEGN SOIL under our control so we don't have an empire!

Oh..I see..more conspiracy material..and once I saw moveon.org...I knew I just couldn't take it with a grain of salt.

Lazy-minded fool who won't look at evidence whenit stares them in the face make me sick. You should read about PNAC, it advocates straight up imperialism. You complacency and unwillingness to look at facts is a serious detriment to the democratic process in this country.

ok gigatron i am an american of drafting age fi ti were still going on and i can proudly say that if i were drafted i wouldnt hold my country responsible for it, i also like the fact that i live in the US. If the US were to be destroyed, i hate to say it, but there would be a world wide depression becasue the US's economic prowess and influence is everywhere. and since you are a german i would figure that you would know better than to call the US a bunch of NAZIs, we are nothing like them. And as far as teh Geneva convention is concerned, the US is one of the few country's that abides by it. The people that were tortured and humiliated arent civilians or non combatants or even military personnel, they are terroists who have no mercy for whom they kill, as long as their goals are met. Sure ill admit the US has made mistakes, which country hasn't? But i believe that in the scheme of things the US has done way more good that bad, the true cant be said of many EU nations especially Germany.

We have NO FORIEGN SOIL under our control so we don't have an empire!


HAHAHAHAHA AH HHAHAHAH
OH WAIT IM NOT DONE HOLDING MY SIDES!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Seriously, you may not call it an emipre but we have several pieces of foreign soil under our control. (Iraq, Afganistan, etc)

Lazy-minded fool who won't look at evidence whenit stares them in the face make me sick. You should read about PNAC, it advocates straight up imperialism. You complacency and unwillingness to look at facts is a serious detriment to the democratic process in this country.

Not lazy...just ignoring moveon.orgs interpretation of events...they have their own agenda...one of capitulation and appeasement.

So basically what Gigatron is trying to say here is: "0MFG!!!111 AM3RICA IZ SUXX0RZ!!111!!!!! TH0Z3 FUKK1N CAP1TALIS7 BASTURDZ R GUNA DIE CUZ 7H3Y R FUKK1N EV1L!!!!!!11111!!!1!! L3TZ N00K THOZ3 FUKK1N M0R0NZ T0 H3LL!!11111!!!!!!1!!!"


You're German, right, Gigatron? Let's make a comparison: what has Germany done for the world in the last, oh, century or so? They started two world wars that THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA had to come in and clean up. You Germans lack the testicular fortitude to go into Iraq to remove an evil dictator, yet stand outside the fray hurling insults at--who else--the Americans, who are once again doing the dirty work (I haven't seen Germany sending any foreign aid anywhere in the world, much less Iraq).

You make me sick, you really do. You are so ungrateful for the things the U.S. does to keep this world of ours free. What has Germany done to keep the world free? You think about that.





God bless America: the land of the free and the home of the brave.


--Shermanica

It get to semantics, they didn't start WWI in reality. It was started by Austria-Hungary.

WWII was started by Germany in Europe but Japan actually started in by invading China in 1937 if you want to go that far back.

HAHAHAHAHA AH HHAHAHAH
OH WAIT IM NOT DONE HOLDING MY SIDES!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Seriously, you may not call it an emipre but we have several pieces of foreign soil under our control. (Iraq, Afganistan, etc)

So you can quote only two places where we have troops on the ground..well..NATO has troops in Bosnia..is that part of some NATO Empire?, the UN has it's blue beret'd troops in more then a few places..does it have an Empire?...The UN even has it's own serfs in the form of the Palestinians..And in Afghanistan they have their own government..same thing in Iraq...and if we leave those places..does that mean that they are no longer part of our Empire?

Well destroy the UN, very much you did. Not entirely yet, but you'll see the effects of your unilateral war ignoring the UN, violating the UN charter as blatantly as you did. The US are not the only nation in the world who are capable of waging wars and then I want to see you squeal and try to uphold the rules... they'll just fart in your general direction and break the rules like you did.

You already did invade the middle east with unstoppable force. While you didnt use its entire force yet, I am sure Syria or Iran will be next to fall under US empire occupation.

You dont go into cities to protect citizens. The first thing you did in WW 2 and both Iraq wars is, to bomb the country to hell and back, killing hundreds of thousands of Germans in WW2 and thousands of innocent Iraqis in both Iraq war. While Hitler was responsible for the killing of millions of jews and others who opposed the Nazis, the US do it more subtle under the guise of humanitarian aid.

Need I remind you about WWII, germany conducted huge bombing runs in english cities. And besides, you started it, so we pretty much had unlimited authority to flatten your country perhaps if you had risen up against your leader like the italians did such a fate would not have befallen you. And as far as the UN goes, I agree with you there our administration is doing terrible things, but that is not the will of the people.

And as far as teh Geneva convention is concerned, the US is one of the few country's that abides by it.

I would love to see evidence of other signatory countries violating the convention. Good luck.

The people that were tortured and humiliated arent civilians or non combatants or even military personnel, they are terroists who have no mercy for whom they kill, as long as their goals are met.

That is the excuse? What army has mercy for those they kill? Are you justa bigot who thinks that we can torture them because they "hate freedom"?


Pathetic.

gigatron is some dumbass neo-nazi shithead who would rather live with his head in the sand than take a good look at what's happening in the world. If the US hadn't rebuilt his POS country after ww2 they'd be living in caves sodomizing eachother. I thank God my ancestors were smart enough to leave that dungheap you call Germany and come to the US.

Now now get your terminology right, it's not shithead it's skinhead :D

So you can quote only two places where we have troops on the ground..

I was not referring to our military presence. I was referring to our political domination. Anybody who says that Iraq ia soverign has their head up their ass. I didn't call it an empire, I just said that we have control over foreign soil. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Salishe I provided otehr thinks besides moveon.orgs... including the PNAC site itself. Have a look at it. Lemme know how much you approve of it.

Not lazy...just ignoring moveon.orgs interpretation of events...they have their own agenda...one of capitulation and appeasement.

I am not referring to MoveOn, look at the PNAC website. On a side note, Who is MoveOn trying to appease? The evil terrorists? what a bunch of bull...

Gigatron..you still haven't responded to my post..how old are you..are you old enough to remember the Stasi?...if you aren't..ask your parents just what kind of Germans they were....ask them how they treated your fellow Germans, whose only crime was to be able to defect to the West..who went thru barbed wired, mine fields, guard towers..the works just to be free.

Your Nation has been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions, not just once in 1914-1918..but you did it again in 1939-1945..and we won't even count the agressions your nation committed against it's neighbors prior to 1914.

I won't even comment on a nation that gives rise to men who would join the SS...what gives rise to men who would seek to destroy a people by gas chamber...

I Agree With Anyone Who Has Mentioned Pnac, Also Affiliated With The American Enterprise Institute. Those Who Do Not Know Should Begin To Learn About The Imperialist Ideologies Of These "think Tanks" That Now Control The White House Under The Umbrella Of Neo-conservatism. It Is Important To Know Because You Could Be The One Fighting In One Of Their Wars.

Those Who Don't Believe In Pnac, Should 1) Pick Up A Book, 2) Watch Hardball With Chris Matthews, 3) Read A Newspaper, 4) Wake The F**k Up!!!!!

Bush Is A Neo-con, Kerry Is Not.

The Most Important Difference Between The Two.

I don't want the US destroyed because I oppose violence and I live here.

no it isnt an excuse boogie and no i am not a bigot, i am fairly open minded but not we people decided to attack my country with no provacation i.e. 9/11 and while iraq probably didnt have anythng directly to do with it they have harbored terrorists and those are the peole that have directly attacked the US. and about the Geneva Convention, I misspoke ill asmit that, other signatory nations abide, but they complain about theings we do that dont contradict the Convention. The Geneva Convention only covers prisoners of war, unless im mistaken which may be possible i havent read it recently, and the people that were "mistreated" arent POWs

Why is anyone even dignifying this idiot with a response? I'll criticize the U.S. as much as the next disappointed American, but sometimes there are people who have nothing but juvenile insults to toss around, and that is no basis for intelligent debate.
Just ignore the troll and move on with your lives, folks. There are far more useful threads to be expending your energy on.

Why is anyone even dignifying this idiot with a response? I'll criticize the U.S. as much as the next disappointed American, but sometimes there are people who have nothing but juvenile insults to toss around, and that is no basis for intelligent debate.
Just ignore the troll and move on with your lives, folks. There are far more useful threads to be expending your energy on.

Because we're americans and we take offense to anyone that says we should be destroyed! LOL

I Agree With Anyone Who Has Mentioned Pnac, Also Affiliated With The American Enterprise Institute. Those Who Do Not Know Should Begin To Learn About The Imperialist Ideologies Of These "think Tanks" That Now Control The White House Under The Umbrella Of Neo-conservatism. It Is Important To Know Because You Could Be The One Fighting In One Of Their Wars.

Those Who Don't Believe In Pnac, Should 1) Pick Up A Book, 2) Watch Hardball With Chris Matthews, 3) Read A Newspaper, 4) Wake The F**k Up!!!!!

Bush Is A Neo-con, Kerry Is Not.

The Most Important Difference Between The Two.


Yeah people... sometimes the truth hurts. Just educate yourself about the people running our country please.

no it isnt an excuse boogie and no i am not a bigot, i am fairly open minded but not we people decided to attack my country with no provacation i.e. 9/11 and while iraq probably didnt have anythng directly to do with it they have harbored terrorists and those are the peole that have directly attacked the US.

So, are you saying it was wrong to torture "enemy combatants"?


and about the Geneva Convention, I misspoke ill asmit that, other signatory nations abide, but they complain about theings we do that dont contradict the Convention. The Geneva Convention only covers prisoners of war, unless im mistaken which may be possible i havent read it recently, and the people that were "mistreated" arent POWs

Uhh you said that we are one of the only nations that abides by it. You more than misspoke, you totally made that up, but I won't hold it against you.

So the fact that they are not prisoners of war is grounds for torture, but the fact that they are "in the battlefield" is grounds for denying them access to courts?

This justification of torture just makes me sick, the red cross has said that 90% of the "enemy combatants" being held have no links to terrorism, yet it is perfectly okay to torture them because "they attacked america."

You keep telling yourself that....

Gigatron..you still haven't responded to my post..how old are you..are you old enough to remember the Stasi?...if you aren't..ask your parents just what kind of Germans they were....ask them how they treated your fellow Germans, whose only crime was to be able to defect to the West..who went thru barbed wired, mine fields, guard towers..the works just to be free.

Your Nation has been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions, not just once in 1914-1918..but you did it again in 1939-1945..and we won't even count the agressions your nation committed against it's neighbors prior to 1914.

I won't even comment on a nation that gives rise to men who would join the SS...what gives rise to men who would seek to destroy a people by gas chamber...
Actually.. I am 24, I am East German and yes, I very much remember what the GDR was like. It had some great things and some bad things. The main bad thing imo being that the leading elite was more equal than anyone else. The Stasi had files on almost everyone, true. It was an organization in true dictator fashion, made to keep the population in check and under control. I dont know who made it, probably the Russians, since the GDR was a Russian feeder state anyway. Germany divided by the winners of WW2 to be looted dry in the east by the Russians and to be kept under control in the west by the US, France and UK. The people of Germany built up the West with some help from the victors of US/France/UK, which was good, considering the amount of damage and death they caused, which was more than anything Germany did in other countries.

To get back to the GDR before the reunification, I liked a few things, primarily the feeling of community among the citizens. Back then, making lots of money and screwing everyone else over for success, was not the main goal. The country was much more friendly - the people still had a heart, much of that has been destroyed since 1990.

I know what my nation has done during WW1 and WW2. The people actually tried to remove Hitler btw, unfortunately it failed many times. However these are past times, history, which was a lesson. War causes death and destruction, not just in Germany during WW1 and 2, but also today, the wars started by the US, cause death and destruction, which is unneccessary.

Because we're americans and we take offense to anyone that says we should be destroyed! LOL

Fair enough Formal Dances, but . . . there are a lot of people who think the U.S. should be destroyed. Most of them aren't worth debating, because they are terribly prone to seeing the world in black and white.

Moron: Teh U.S.. is evul!!!!!!!1111
Intelligent Person: The U.S., like any other country, has done both good and bad things. A nation consisting of millions of people with a long and diverse history cannot possibly be summed up in a four-word sentence.
Moron: Duh,, wut u say??>?

Intellectual midgets of this caliber are not worth debating because they can't see the shades of gray in anything -- no matter what everything about the U.S. is wrong, they will never see the logic in any argument claiming otherwise, and they will be stuck in their dark caves of ignorance forever.

Needless to say, these people are not worth saving from their own idiocy.

•The foreign and defense policies of Ronald Reagan resulted in the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the freeing of approximately 122 million people in Eastern Europe.

• The state of Israel would cease to exist if not for American protection, and about 5.5 million Jews would be in grave danger.

• Nearly 23 million Taiwanese would be denied freedom if not for American protection. More than 48 million South Koreans would be living under a dictatorship if not for American protection. USA action led to the removal of the Serbian dictator Milosevic , who was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people in the Balkans.

• The USA and Britain removed the Iraqi dictator Hussein, who was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East.

And we have also removed the terrorist Taliban government in Afghanistan.

• America is sending $15 billion to Africa to help victims of AIDS. We were unable to find out how much France contributes, if anything. To be fair, Canada sends $270 million, which is substantial for them but still less than 2% of what we send.

• American action in Central America, Grenanda, and Haiti has kept millions of people out of totalitarian regimes. Of course, all of this has cost every American taxpayer big. And thousands of American servicepeople have lost their lives protecting people overseas. At the same time we have not stolen an acre of land or a drop of oil.

It is insulting and dishonest for Americans and Canadians and Europeans to condemn this country because they don't like certain policies. Dissent is good. Slander is unacceptable.

"The truth is that the USA has freed more human beings than the rest of the world combined. France has freed almost no one. Ditto Canada.

So, pardon me as I object to the Michael Moores of the world — and that man is too cowardly to come in here, all right? Pardon me as I object to the anti-American foreign press and bums like Chirac in France and Chretien in Canada.

America has a provable history of freeing oppressed people all over the world in fighting evil dictators. Canada should be ashamed that so many of its young people are flat out ignorant. And Americans should wise up and realize we are living in a changing world. Old friends are not necessarily true friends because they no have a warped sense of what is evil and what is not. May GOD help us if this ignorance continues."

-The state of Israel of the biggest threat to peace in the whole world, just because they lived there 2000 years ago, they have to have their nation there?

-Who instated Saddam Hussein in the first place? Who funded Bin Laden?

-How many dictators has CIA helped to power?

-Freed millions of people in east-europe. True, but at what expense? Millions are starving and/or freezing to death in those "freed" areas.

If only America wouldn's be so self-righteous, they only do things if it fits their intrest. Yes, may god help us if THIS ignorance continiues.

War causes death and destruction, not just in Germany during WW1 and 2, but also today, the wars started by the US, cause death and destruction, which is unneccessary.

So lets get this straight....IF Saddam had not invaded Kuwait in 1990 and had 9-11 NOT happened...do you think we would be in Iraq or Afganistan today? i think not....but since these events happened and set things in motion...here we are. Just as if Germany had NOT attacked Poland in 1939 it would not have been bombed into the stone age.

I find this to be pretty funny.
Sure Bush messed up our nation alot.
But we have freed more people than every other nation combined. As States Above.
I don't agree that the war in iraq was a good idea. Not every American thinks "lets kill those stupid towel heads!" If you have that idea going through your head then your wrong.

Well destroy the UN, very much you did. Not entirely yet, but you'll see the effects of your unilateral war ignoring the UN, violating the UN charter as blatantly as you did. The US are not the only nation in the world who are capable of waging wars and then I want to see you squeal and try to uphold the rules... they'll just fart in your general direction and break the rules like you did.

You already did invade the middle east with unstoppable force. While you didnt use its entire force yet, I am sure Syria or Iran will be next to fall under US empire occupation.

You dont go into cities to protect citizens. The first thing you did in WW 2 and both Iraq wars is, to bomb the country to hell and back, killing hundreds of thousands of Germans in WW2 and thousands of innocent Iraqis in both Iraq war. While Hitler was responsible for the killing of millions of jews and others who opposed the Nazis, the US do it more subtle under the guise of humanitarian aid.

WWII There was no such thing as a smart bomb so of course germany was blasted back to the stone age and germany tried to do the same thing to britain and the rest of Europe. Both Iraq wars only military target were aimed at First Iraq war: Structures suspected to have chmeical agents were bombed the any military vehical that entered a kill box was destroyed second golf war the only time bombs were used were to destroy structures that were garrisoned by the enemy and could not be taken buy US forces. We have not killed thousands of innocent Iraqies in either wars you can thank those car bombs and suicide bombers and those terrorist who use human shields and germany brought the bombing apon itself.

You see..as far as the whole torture thing goes...I can be justifably angry over torturing of our soldiers...but I'm supposed to be above doing it to the enemy....I personally don't care what designation they are..must be a white Euro culture that preaches one can't deal with your enemies...thank Grandfather Creator I'm an Indian...I have no compulsion against torturing the enemy...simply because they are the enemy..I need no other reason..and in all fairness...I wouldn't bitch if my enemies tortured....oh I could bitch...but that is just bitching for bitching sake...if our boys are tortured...I will torture them..it is pure and simple as that...

So lets get this straight....IF Saddam had not invaded Kuwait in 1990 and had 9-11 NOT happened...do you think we would be in Iraq or Afganistan today? i think not....but since these events happened and set things in motion...here we are. Just as if Germany had NOT attacked Poland in 1939 it would not have been bombed into the stone age.

please... Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and Bush knew that form the very beginning (as did the rest of the world). He forced them to make false connections so they could move on with their PNAC agenda. Iraq was the biggest mistake of Bush's presidency.

You see..as far as the whole torture thing goes...I can be justifably angry over torturing of our soldiers...but I'm supposed to be above doing it to the enemy....I personally don't care what designation they are..must be a white Euro culture that preaches one can't deal with your enemies...thank Grandfather Creator I'm an Indian...I have no compulsion against torturing the enemy...simply because they are the enemy..I need no other reason..and in all fairness...I wouldn't bitch if my enemies tortured....oh I could bitch...but that is just bitching for bitching sake...if our boys are tortured...I will torture them..it is pure and simple as that...


Well this is getting no where the arrogance aint gonna end no matter how long we argue so seeya

We hardly started a war. Every war we have fought in was started by someone else!

Here are some examples:

1776: Britian wanted the US to remain in the Empire. They sent troops to take ammunition from the colonists. Thanks to Paul Revier (SP?) troops where waiting! Granted no one knows who started it since it was one gunshot but that started the Revolutionary War

1812: Britian impressing our servicemen into the Royal Navy. Told to stop, they didn't war was declared! It ended in 1814!

1848! Mexico violated the Treaty that marked the borders of US and Mexico. The war didn't last long and Mexico was defeated

1861: Confederates fired on Fort Sumter! Four years later the CSA Ceased to exist

1898: Maine blows up! Ok granted it blew itself up thanks to improperly stored material but alas we needed an excuse to kick spain out of Cuba so we blamed it on a mine. Four months later, the war was over!

1917: Zimmerman Note and other things caused us to declare war on Germany!

1941: December 7, 1941 Japan launched a Surprised Attack on us. After nearly four years of agression, the war ended. Germany and Italy Declared War on us a few days after Pearl and they were defeated.

1951: North Korea invaded South Korea. UN Mandate action and US did what was necessary. The war is still technically on but an armistace is in Place!

Vietnam: Thanks to bailing out the French, we were in there for about Ten Years. Many other nations where there but we were the ones that took the most casualties 50,000 Dead!

1st Gulf War: Iraq invaded KuWait and the UN stepped in with the US having the most troops.

I could go on but frankly this is a brief History of it! I left out the Barbary Pirates (Libya) because frankly, we weren't going to be exploited and it didn't last that long. LOL

You're German, right, Gigatron? Let's make a comparison: what has Germany done for the world in the last, oh, century or so? They started two world wars that THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA had to come in and clean up. You Germans lack the testicular fortitude to go into Iraq to remove an evil dictator, yet stand outside the fray hurling insults at--who else--the Americans, who are once again doing the dirty work (I haven't seen Germany sending any foreign aid anywhere in the world, much less Iraq).

Well spoken, although I would disagree with you on many of your points, your overall post was indeed worth the praise by many here. This person from germany doesn't realise how important America is to the world. If our economy falls, so does yours. We are constantly called by third world countries to help maintain the peace. The world looks up to us as their gurdian angels. Iraq was one big lie, and the ends does not justify the means. But the only reason france and germany didn't goto war with iraq was because both nations had investments in iraqi oil. For god sakes we invaded a small country whereas you nearly wiped out an entire race of people.

A little peace of advice, don't judge the people of different nations by what you see on your late shows. Idiot.

You see..as far as the whole torture thing goes...I can be justifably angry over torturing of our soldiers...but I'm supposed to be above doing it to the enemy....I personally don't care what designation they are..must be a white Euro culture that preaches one can't deal with your enemies...thank Grandfather Creator I'm an Indian...I have no compulsion against torturing the enemy...simply because they are the enemy..I need no other reason..and in all fairness...I wouldn't bitch if my enemies tortured....oh I could bitch...but that is just bitching for bitching sake...if our boys are tortured...I will torture them..it is pure and simple as that...
"Do to others as you would like to be done to you."
"An eye for an eye and the world goes blind."

If you torture because the enemy tortures, you end up in a vicious cycle of violence. The "enemy" as you put it is just another tool of a government which wants to enforce its own idea of how the country should be run.

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