NationStates Jolt Archive

The President is a forthright man who not only knows what is good for America, but is willing to stand up, lie, cheat, steal, and send others to die to get it. He is a man who will keep our tax money out of the hands of the undeserving poor and ensure it goes into the coffers of our most valued citizens, the ownership class, where it belongs.

We need the war in Iraq in order to ensure the prosperity of loyal corporations like Halliburton. Only President Bush has the courage and vision necessary to prosecute this war to the end and then go on to Iran, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan and even all of South America until at last we own the oilfields of the world.

Only President Bush has the wisdom to pursue a policy of lowering taxes for the most deserving while building a trillion-dollar national debt that will forever bind the natural servant class in fealty to their rightful masters. A major benefit that arises from transferring money directly from the public coffers into the accounts of the most deserving corporations is that it reduces the temptation to divert these funds into wasteful enterprises such as public education and health care.

Public education is worse than wasteful. It is genuinely counterproductive to educate people beyond the specific skills they need for employment. Education is notorious for turning its recipients into malcontents who become resentful of their lot in life and may even refuse to conduct themselves in accordance of the needs and wishes of their owners.

Likewise, health care is a wasteful expense when squandered on the useless eaters, with the sole exception that a certain number of particularly healthy specimens from among the worthless classes may be selected for organ donation to their betters, and maintained in good health until their time comes for harvesting.

Cute--nicely Swiftian in its logic. I congratulate you.

*Lowers flamethrower* You had me worried there for a second.

Fine that's your choice, you get you deserve when you vote for man you want. If your children are dying on the battlefields in future US wars for nothing, it's your problem and you made the choice.

Did you read my post?

so...you support him for his failures? or is this just a sick joke? i'm confused...

Did you read my post?

It's always a good idea to do that :rolleyes:

so...you support him for his failures? or is this just a sick joke? i'm confused...

"The President is a forthright man who not only knows what is good for America, but is willing to stand up, lie, cheat, steal, and send others to die to get it."

No, he's being totally serious :rolleyes:

(Sorry. Couldn't help myself)

Did you read my post?

Yes. The US might as well be a medieval state with King George as Emperor and the corporations as the feudal lords enslaving US citizens in corporate slavery with that logic.

Yes. The US might as well be a medieval state with King George as Emperor and the corporations as the feudal lords enslaving US citizens in corporate slavery with that logic.

Dude- It's a joke.

I am probably going to vote for Bush....try as I might, I cannot find out where Kerry stands on ANYTHING. he avoids all questions and cannot be nailed down on any position at all. I have to ask myself WHY?

There is pretty much only one thing I have to say namely- any one who votes for bush is an idiotic, crazy right wing, christian bastard.

If your children are dying on the battlefields in future US wars for nothing, it's your problem and you made the choice.

Some would say that is the problem with the current war in Iraq...

There is pretty much only one thing I have to say namely- any one who votes for bush is an idiotic, crazy right wing, christian bastard.

Hmmmm....not a "christian." Not "right wing" nor a member of either party. WHAT does Kerry stand for? When asked he evades and never answers. WHO would vote for anyone who refuses to answer questions about important issues?

I am probably going to vote for Bush....try as I might, I cannot find out where Kerry stands on ANYTHING. he avoids all questions and cannot be nailed down on any position at all. I have to ask myself WHY?

Kerry avoids questions? Have you ever listened to Bush answer a question? I wish I could say I have, but I can't recall a time he actually answered one. Maybe I should provide transcripts...

Apologies to New Kingman if it is joke, but I'd had enough of Bush and John Howard dragging Australia's name though mud. Once Australia was well regarded, now a top terrorist target due to Howard's kow-towing to US demands.

Apologies to New Kingman if it is joke, but I'd had enough of Bush and John Howard dragging Australia's name though mud. Once Australia was well regarded, now a top terrorist target due to Howard's kow-towing to US demands.

I didn't know you were Australian. Well, I do agree on that point. Isn't it odd that the US election will affect our country probably even more so than our own?

Healthcare....what a joke.

Funny.... almost clever even. :rolleyes:

Now, back to reality... ;)

Kerry avoids questions? Have you ever listened to Bush answer a question? I wish I could say I have, but I can't recall a time he actually answered one. Maybe I should provide transcripts...

Admittedly it is difficult at times...LOL But really, I cannot find ANYTHING that Kerry actually stands for....the ONLY thing he has said he will do is provide national healthcare....as if THAT is the most important thing we need to address.

Hmmmm....not a "christian." Not "right wing" nor a member of either party. WHAT does Kerry stand for? When asked he evades and never answers. WHO would vote for anyone who refuses to answer questions about important issues?

A person who recognizes that a tree could do a better job than bush?

A person who recognizes that a tree could do a better job than bush?

Thats just what I expect...people say things like this, but have nothing to back it up with. I hear people say they will vote for Kerry because he is NOT Bush...well, neither am I so they might as well vote for me too! LOL

Electing someone president simply because they are NOT someone else is so shortsighted it is not even funny.

Admittedly it is difficult at times...LOL But really, I cannot find ANYTHING that Kerry actually stands for....the ONLY thing he has said he will do is provide national healthcare....as if THAT is the most important thing we need to address.
He has also said he will roll back bush tax cuts on the wealthy, provide tax cuts for the middle class, make it more expensive for corporations to outsource jobs, he will end the backdoor draft of the national guard, he will try to restore our country's image with the world and attempt to get some more foreign support in Iraq. I think he has been pretty clear, now HOW he will do these things is unknown, but the same goes for bush too and any other politican put them in office and give them a try. Bush has already had his try and he bumbled it, so lets give someone else a shot and doing something worthwhile.

Thats just what I expect...people say things like this, but have nothing to back it up with. I hear people say they will vote for Kerry because he is NOT Bush...well, neither am I so they might as well vote for me too! LOL

Electing someone president simply because they are NOT someone else is so shortsighted it is not even funny.

Okay I'll grant you my statement was ignorant, but you get my point, in my mind just about any candidate within reason has a chance of doing a better job than bush has in his 4 years as president.

Vote Nader.

I'm voting for Bush to piss off the French.

He has also said he will roll back bush tax cuts on the wealthy, provide tax cuts for the middle class, make it more expensive for corporations to outsource jobs, he will end the backdoor draft of the national guard, he will try to restore our country's image with the world and attempt to get some more foreign support in Iraq. I think he has been pretty clear, now HOW he will do these things is unknown, but the same goes for bush too and any other politican put them in office and give them a try. Bush has already had his try and he bumbled it, so lets give someone else a shot and doing something worthwhile.

Right....so he is going to raise our taxes...and then cut them. Then I guess he will go after his wifes company that has the majority of it's employees in other countries. Backdoor draft? how is Federalizing the national guard a "draft?" thats what they are there for.

Restore the countries image? by going to the UN and begging for help? LOL Yeah, THAT will do it. Noone respects a beggar.

I don't know HOW he thinks he will do this....but I doubt it can be done.

Healthcare....imagine this. Everyone now has free medical care paid for by the government. Who needs health insurance now? So what happens to all the insurance companies and their employees? How much unemployment will that cause...and lest we forget, the HMO's will also disappear too. If you want to see what kind of program that will be...look at the VA hospitals. Would YOU want to have to go to one of those? As a disabled veteran, I can assure you, you don't.

I recall watching one of the 2000 debates when the candidates answer questions from ordinary people. A farmer asked Bush what he planned to do about the burden on farmers. Bush replied by saying he appreciated what farmers did for America. If that's not dodging a question, I don't know what is.

I am probably going to vote for Bush....try as I might, I cannot find out where Kerry stands on ANYTHING. he avoids all questions and cannot be nailed down on any position at all. I have to ask myself WHY?

if you really want to find out why dont you visit his website or something?

EVERYONE dodges questions, everyone has difinitive issues.
But before you say that Bush is sending peoples children into war, THAT is not entirely true. THEY joined the armed forces TO fight in wars. It's not like there's a draft happening. Also, I don't think that Bush went to Iraq for oil, I'll admit, it was probably A driving factor, (or an afterthought.).

please visit www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com

I thought it was funny.

Anyway, I think the best choice for this election is to not vote at all.

oh, and a vote for Nadar is a vote for satan.

if you really want to find out why dont you visit his website or something?

I have and it still doesn't impress me! I still like to know when we lost our Democracy.

if you really want to find out why dont you visit his website or something?

I did...a lot of things there....but none that I am concerned with. National healthcare is hardly an important issue today, except to the Democrats. Imagine the government jobs they are going to create with that boondoggle.

well in actuality there is a type of draft being instituted in America. It sends people who have been caught causing crimes against towns. Usually kids with the idea that, you either go for a 3 year stay in the military, or you go to jail, in a way that is drafting people. This has happened to 2 of my friends in texas. They being from a small town, you can only gage as to what it's like in larger cities.

And oh yes, at least Nader answers questions directly.

well in actuality there is a type of draft being instituted in America. It sends people who have been caught causing crimes against towns. Usually kids with the idea that, you either go for a 3 year stay in the military, or you go to jail, in a way that is drafting people. This has happened to 2 of my friends in texas. They being from a small town, you can only gage as to what it's like in larger cities.

And oh yes, at least Nader answers questions directly.

hmmm...that IS interesting. I would like to know more about this one. Afterall, why would we want criminals in the military?

I live in texas, and let me tell you, the death penalty is the only way to correct those criminals! (j/k)

well in actuality there is a type of draft being instituted in America. It sends people who have been caught causing crimes against towns. Usually kids with the idea that, you either go for a 3 year stay in the military, or you go to jail, in a way that is drafting people. This has happened to 2 of my friends in texas. They being from a small town, you can only gage as to what it's like in larger cities.

And oh yes, at least Nader answers questions directly.

And why should we get rid of this? It sounds reasonable to me!

Nader is there to keep people from voting for Kerry. (Oh yeah, jumping in!) And, I ask, what is wrong with the first post? That's why I would be voting for Bush if I were of voting age.

Damn liberal pansies.

Of course, I found it amusing that Kerry and company were complaining when the reserves and national guard were sent off. It's like saying "They didn't join the military to actually go off and fight in a war!"

We need the war in Iraq in order to ensure the prosperity of loyal corporations like Halliburton.

Oh for god's sake...

Halliburton is only one of two companies in the world who can do what they do. The other is in France. Hmm...a US company or a French company? Yep...I'd chose Halliburton for the job too.

That's just my way of saying that the draft is still going on. Not in the vietnam sense, but it still exists.

well in actuality there is a type of draft being instituted in America. It sends people who have been caught causing crimes against towns. Usually kids with the idea that, you either go for a 3 year stay in the military, or you go to jail, in a way that is drafting people. This has happened to 2 of my friends in texas. They being from a small town, you can only gage as to what it's like in larger cities.

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At least they get to choose, and it's not like Kerry will change that. (Bush won't either.)

hmmm...that IS interesting. I would like to know more about this one. Afterall, why would we want criminals in the military?
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it's probably not serious crimes, it's more like, i don't know maybe ravenseye can tell us.


And oh yes, at least Nader answers questions directly.
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yes, but who would want to vote for a corp exct. with naked ambitions.
that is to say, when he came to my college, some girl asked a question, he basically called her stupid. HALF of our class left.

btw, I can quote, I'm just to lazy.

so...you support him for his failures? or is this just a sick joke? i'm confused...

irony - tough to get sometimes. i thoroughly enjoyed it :-)

Well i agree with nader most people are dumb. Myself included.
And the choice was for grand theft auto, breaking and entering, and destruction of public property

So you guys think that voting for bush is bad, well lets hear some things that will happen if Kerry is elected.

1. Major terrorist attacks will occur on US soil, because they know that Kerry is to much of a coward to go after them. He does not understand that that the fight against terror must go on and that it must be pre-emptive. Kerry operates under the UN idea that American pre-emption is not an option.

2. Gay marrige would be a reality across America. He will strike down the DOMA and he will force staes to accept gay marrige from other states.

3. Your taxes will rise. If you are a governmant leach vote for Kerry but if your not and you vote for him, your voting yourself out of a paycheck. If your middle class your taxes will be raised. Kerry voted against the Bush tax cuts. He has promised a tax increase of 700 billion dollars ( thats the low end of the stick. It will probly be closer to 1.7 tilloin.)

4. The military will be crippled again as it was durring the Clinton administraation. Kerry purports to be a military supporter. He did serve his country with honor. But his anti-military of American liberalismis inexusable. Kerry has repeatedly voted to cut back on the military. He also wants to let homosexuals in the army, a move that will destroy the morale and morality inour military.

5. Abortion would be reinstated. And to any decent person abortion is murder.

Now this is just a taste of the horrible thing which would come to pass if Kerry took the White House. I pray that the great nation of The United States of America will be able to avoid this terrible evil.

I have [checked Kerry's website] and it still doesn't impress me! I still like to know when we lost our Democracy.

I believe it was lost in the 2000 presidential elections when the florida election was rigged, then the recount blocked.

Restore the countries image? by going to the UN and begging for help? LOL Yeah, THAT will do it. Noone respects a beggar.

Um...actually Bush already did that. Begging the UN for help, that is. Guess you must have missed that one in the news.

Thats just what I expect...people say things like this, but have nothing to back it up with. I hear people say they will vote for Kerry because he is NOT Bush...well, neither am I so they might as well vote for me too! LOL

Electing someone president simply because they are NOT someone else is so shortsighted it is not even funny.

It was easily more shortsighted letting the supreme court appoint our president.

John Kerry won't be the best president ever, but since Bush is the worst, there's nowhere to go but up. Considering Kerry is a practical person who, umm, thinks about decisions before letting the Vice President dictate wars when his company is set to greatly overcharge the military and thereby making a bazillion dollars while molesting every tax-paying American, I'll say that he's the better choice. Even republicans should agree with that. That's YOUR money, not even being spent in a way you don't like, but stolen. Just taken away so someone can laugh at how stupid your broke ass is. With Kerry, you'll at least have some form of medical treatment and education after Bush and his henchmen are done robbing you blind. How does that not benefit you?

Biff, it sounds to me that you don't WANT to know what Kerry stands for. If, between the recent convention and his web site you didn't get any information, that tells me you really aren't looking for the answer.

National Healthcare IS an important issue. 40 million Amercians don't have any...and that doesn't count the 'under-insured'. Kerry isn't looking to shut down insurance companies (you didn't really think that, did you?) but is looking to implement it through tax credits.

Healthcare....imagine this. Everyone now has free medical care paid for by the government. Who needs health insurance now? So what happens to all the insurance companies and their employees? How much unemployment will that cause...and lest we forget, the HMO's will also disappear too. If you want to see what kind of program that will be...look at the VA hospitals. Would YOU want to have to go to one of those? As a disabled veteran, I can assure you, you don't.

It's *basic* healthcare. It means people won't die from easily preventable diseases. It doesn't mean we remove tumors or perform heart transplants for free. It means if you get sick, you get a week's worth of antibiotics. And jesus christ, the only thing medical insurance in this country does is RAISE the price of healthcare. Doctors overcharge you because of frivolous malpractice suits and the like. If HMO's were gone, who would really miss the 10 foot shaft in their rear end?

Who would want to go to a shitty hospital? Maybe someone with no other options.

Once again I say, 'A vote for no one is a winning vote.'

don't vote when the elections come, It's a waste of your time.

I want a pres who will do something about those damn vegitarians.




"Every time you eat a veg meal, God kills a puppy out of spite, THINK OF THE PUPPIES!"

Biff, it sounds to me that you don't WANT to know what Kerry stands for. If, between the recent convention and his web site you didn't get any information, that tells me you really aren't looking for the answer.

National Healthcare IS an important issue. 40 million Amercians don't have any...and that doesn't count the 'under-insured'. Kerry isn't looking to shut down insurance companies (you didn't really think that, did you?) but is looking to implement it through tax credits.

No, I read the site but I admit I did not watch the convention. National healthcare is not the most important issue facing the country. What is it with these Democrats? Clinton comes into office with Somalia and other things to deal with and what is his first decision? Gays in the military!!

Here we are, fighting an enemy like no other and what does kerry want to do? Provide free healthcare for everyone and raise our taxes to do it. Trust me, you do NOT want government healthcare. If you REALLY want to see what the future holds if we do get government healthcare....go visit a VA hospital and THEN tell me thats what you want. Government run hospitals will be just like that, afterall, the VA has been running hospitals for the government for 60+ years.

It's *basic* healthcare. It means people won't die from easily preventable diseases. It doesn't mean we remove tumors or perform heart transplants for free. It means if you get sick, you get a week's worth of antibiotics. And jesus christ, the only thing medical insurance in this country does is RAISE the price of healthcare. Doctors overcharge you because of frivolous malpractice suits and the like. If HMO's were gone, who would really miss the 10 foot shaft in their rear end?

Who would want to go to a shitty hospital? Maybe someone with no other options.

No, the Hillary Clinton healthcare plan is alive and well still. Free healthcare for everyone. Socialized medicine, NOT basic healthcare. All of this depends on him getting elected and getting it through congress. I bet that IF he is elected, he will be stymied at every turn anyway so he will be an ineffective president who, like Carter, will cause more problems than he solves.

"The Kerry-Edwards plan will give every American access to the range of high-quality, affordable plans available to members of Congress and extend coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every American child. Their plan will also fight to erase the health disparities that persist along racial and economic lines, ensure that people with HIV and AIDS have the care they need, end discrimination against Americans with disabilities and mental illnesses, and ensure equal treatment for mental illness in our health system."

They want us all to use government hospitals like members of congress do. See also VA hospitals.

So you guys think that voting for bush is bad, well lets hear some things that will happen if Kerry is elected.

1. Major terrorist attacks will occur on US soil, because they know that Kerry is to much of a coward to go after them. He does not understand that that the fight against terror must go on and that it must be pre-emptive. Kerry operates under the UN idea that American pre-emption is not an option.

2. Gay marrige would be a reality across America. He will strike down the DOMA and he will force staes to accept gay marrige from other states.

3. Your taxes will rise. If you are a governmant leach vote for Kerry but if your not and you vote for him, your voting yourself out of a paycheck. If your middle class your taxes will be raised. Kerry voted against the Bush tax cuts. He has promised a tax increase of 700 billion dollars ( thats the low end of the stick. It will probly be closer to 1.7 tilloin.)

4. The military will be crippled again as it was durring the Clinton administraation. Kerry purports to be a military supporter. He did serve his country with honor. But his anti-military of American liberalismis inexusable. Kerry has repeatedly voted to cut back on the military. He also wants to let homosexuals in the army, a move that will destroy the morale and morality inour military.

5. Abortion would be reinstated. And to any decent person abortion is murder.

Now this is just a taste of the horrible thing which would come to pass if Kerry took the White House. I pray that the great nation of The United States of America will be able to avoid this terrible evil.


i'd say troll.

i'd say troll.

Why when he brought up some good points? Just because you don't agree with him he's trolling?

No, I read the site but I admit I did not watch the convention. National healthcare is not the most important issue facing the country. What is it with these Democrats? Clinton comes into office with Somalia and other things to deal with and what is his first decision? Gays in the military!!

Here we are, fighting an enemy like no other and what does kerry want to do? Provide free healthcare for everyone and raise our taxes to do it. Trust me, you do NOT want government healthcare. If you REALLY want to see what the future holds if we do get government healthcare....go visit a VA hospital and THEN tell me thats what you want. Government run hospitals will be just like that, afterall, the VA has been running hospitals for the government for 60+ years.

Yeah, those damn queers! Who cares if they are people who their country and are honorably willing to die for it?! Who cares?! They aren't really people, after all, and don't deserve the rights that us heteros do! Why should gay people be allowed to love someone else for life? That's preposterous! That's why God invented AIDS!

I'm just glad Republicans are sticking to principle at least. Oh, wait, don't they believe in a small government that is against creating restrictions in legislation, you know, like, gun control? Nevermind. As soon as someone does something icky, "There oughta be a law!" Congratulations, you have now destroyed any respect for your political party I've ever had.

Um...actually Bush already did that. Begging the UN for help, that is. Guess you must have missed that one in the news.

well, to the rest of the world it didn't sound like begging but more like telling the rest of the world what to do.

So you guys think that voting for bush is bad, well lets hear some things that will happen if Kerry is elected.

1. Major terrorist attacks will occur on US soil, because they know that Kerry is to much of a coward to go after them. He does not understand that that the fight against terror must go on and that it must be pre-emptive. Kerry operates under the UN idea that American pre-emption is not an option.

2. Gay marrige would be a reality across America. He will strike down the DOMA and he will force staes to accept gay marrige from other states.

3. Your taxes will rise. If you are a governmant leach vote for Kerry but if your not and you vote for him, your voting yourself out of a paycheck. If your middle class your taxes will be raised. Kerry voted against the Bush tax cuts. He has promised a tax increase of 700 billion dollars ( thats the low end of the stick. It will probly be closer to 1.7 tilloin.)

4. The military will be crippled again as it was durring the Clinton administraation. Kerry purports to be a military supporter. He did serve his country with honor. But his anti-military of American liberalismis inexusable. Kerry has repeatedly voted to cut back on the military. He also wants to let homosexuals in the army, a move that will destroy the morale and morality inour military.

5. Abortion would be reinstated. And to any decent person abortion is murder.

Now this is just a taste of the horrible thing which would come to pass if Kerry took the White House. I pray that the great nation of The United States of America will be able to avoid this terrible evil.

1. We've already had a major terrorist attack on US soil on Bush's watch. And unless you are some kind of oracle, it is unfair to say a terrorist attack WILL occur if Kerry is elected. Also, Kerry has made quite clear he intends to continue fighting terrorists. Tell me how that pre-emptive approach to terrorism is working for Israel?

2. Actually I believe Kerry opposes gay marriage, so fear not homophobes! But I think he does support civil unions.

3. Actually, under the Bush economy, no one I'm employed with received any raise this year (not even cost of living). And we are integrating to provide bioterrorism response and analysis. Meanwhile, all my energy bills are increasing along with the price of gas. Newest report is that consumer spending is at a 3 year low thanks to those energy increases. So even though I think you are wrong on your depiction of Kerry has a tax hiker....someone down the line is going to have to do it to pay off that giant deficit.

4. I think there is a lot of wasteful spending in the military (missile defense shield?) I don't think its a matter of cutting spending, but putting it where it can be used more effectively. And last I checked...aren't gays already allowed in the military? Doesn't seem to be affecting the morale too much. Personally, I'd be more concerned about the terrorists if I was in the army than the gay guy in uniform protecting my back. I take it you only support the straight troops?

5. I actually don't agree with abortion, but I don't expect any candidate to agree with my views 100%

Wait, we're still fighting a war? I could've sworn it was over by now...

I mean, we bombed the living crap out of them, right? And only hit military installations, neh?

And then we sent in ground troops and killed all the insurgents, right?

I mean, I remember the President that *ahem* the people elected :rolleyes: flying a plane out to an aircraft carrier and proudly stating "Mission Accomplished!" That means it's over, right?

So we've been done with the war for, like, a year now, or something. Hold on, someone's talking to me...

Mm-hmm. Uh huh... Huh? No way. You're kidding. Seriously? No way.

Okay, sorry about that interuption. Apparently Bush is an idiot and Americans are still dying for no reason in a desert country halfway across the world. My bad, guys. My bad.

Vote Kerry/Edwards 2004. A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush is a vote for the hellish death spiral our country is currently in. Well f :eek: that.

*sigh* Astrologus, you're a nut job.

Biff, national healthcare isn't the MOST important issue facing the country (nobody said it was) but it is an important one. Again, if you bothered to educate yourself you would know where Kerry stands on Terrorism, the Iraq war, taxes etc., but you haven't which tells me you're really not that interested anyway.

Again, Kerry want to give tax credits so Americans can get health insurance through insurance COMPANIES. He's not advocating the government run hospitals.

Yeah, those damn queers! Who cares if they are people who their country and are honorably willing to die for it?! Who cares?! They aren't really people, after all, and don't deserve the rights that us heteros do! Why should gay people be allowed to love someone else for life? That's preposterous! That's why God invented AIDS!

I'm just glad Republicans are sticking to principle at least. Oh, wait, don't they believe in a small government that is against creating restrictions in legislation, you know, like, gun control? Nevermind. As soon as someone does something icky, "There oughta be a law!" Congratulations, you have now destroyed any respect for your political party I've ever had.

Misses the point altogether...not really surprising. With soldiers fighting in another land...terrorist threats and an economy needing attention....the FIRST decision is gays in the military. It is no wonder the Clinton years were miserable for the military...and yes, I WAS there and served throughout the Clinton disaster.

Great stance, Kingman. You know how to wake up the trolls around us ;)

As for me, I'll vote for Kerry because he's just so fluent in French. At last a US president I will be able to understand!

well, to the rest of the world it didn't sound like begging but more like telling the rest of the world what to do.

Telling someone to get lost, we don't need your support and then turning around and telling them get over here and help us is still begging. Just in that macho American kinda way that makes everyone hate us, of course.

Ok then if he opposes gay marriage then why did he oppose the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00280

Just wondering!

Why when he brought up some good points? Just because you don't agree with him he's trolling?

no no, i've seen quite a few here who i disagree with who've stated their cases far better than i could do.

He also wants to let homosexuals in the army, a move that will destroy the morale and morality inour military.

ok, Kerry might want to let the homosexuals in the army. that might just be a fact (i don't know). but this part : "a move that will destroy the morale and morality inour military. " where does that come from? have it been done before in the US army and this was the result? Or is it perhaps just his fear?
is there a lower morale in armies which allow homosexuals?

Misses the point altogether...not really surprising. With soldiers fighting in another land...terrorist threats and an economy needing attention....the FIRST decision is gays in the military. It is no wonder the Clinton years were miserable for the military...and yes, I WAS there and served throughout the Clinton disaster.

As well as half my family. Clinton was murder on the Military

*sigh* Astrologus, you're a nut job.

Biff, national healthcare isn't the MOST important issue facing the country (nobody said it was) but it is an important one. Again, if you bothered to educate yourself you would know where Kerry stands on Terrorism, the Iraq war, taxes etc., but you haven't which tells me you're really not that interested anyway.

Again, Kerry want to give tax credits so Americans can get health insurance through insurance COMPANIES. He's not advocating the government run hospitals.

I'm going out on a limb and guessing the ONLY issue Biff must be concerned about is giving the military all the money in the world and letting them blow stuff up. We don't need educated, healthy, and financially secure people in this nation! Just stick em in a uniform and throw them at some "axis of evil" country! Some people just can't grasp there are multiple issues that this country needs to address...

Just in that macho American kinda way that makes everyone hate us, of course.

well it's hard to disagree with you ;) but i think a little more humility would go a long way. :) with out actually harming anyone ;)

The President is a forthright man who not only knows what is good for America, but is willing to stand up, lie, cheat, steal, and send others to die to get it. He is a man who will keep our tax money out of the hands of the undeserving poor and ensure it goes into the coffers of our most valued citizens, the ownership class, where it belongs.

We need the war in Iraq in order to ensure the prosperity of loyal corporations like Halliburton. Only President Bush has the courage and vision necessary to prosecute this war to the end and then go on to Iran, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan and even all of South America until at last we own the oilfields of the world.

Only President Bush has the wisdom to pursue a policy of lowering taxes for the most deserving while building a trillion-dollar national debt that will forever bind the natural servant class in fealty to their rightful masters. A major benefit that arises from transferring money directly from the public coffers into the accounts of the most deserving corporations is that it reduces the temptation to divert these funds into wasteful enterprises such as public education and health care.

Public education is worse than wasteful. It is genuinely counterproductive to educate people beyond the specific skills they need for employment. Education is notorious for turning its recipients into malcontents who become resentful of their lot in life and may even refuse to conduct themselves in accordance of the needs and wishes of their owners.

Likewise, health care is a wasteful expense when squandered on the useless eaters, with the sole exception that a certain number of particularly healthy specimens from among the worthless classes may be selected for organ donation to their betters, and maintained in good health until their time comes for harvesting.


LMAO! oh man I was scurred you were for real, but I was going to applaud you for at least seeing what Bush really stood for even if you did support that kind of behavior.

I'm going out on a limb and guessing the ONLY issue Biff must be concerned about is giving the military all the money in the world and letting them blow stuff up. We don't need educated, healthy, and financially secure people in this nation! Just stick em in a uniform and throw them at some "axis of evil" country! Some people just can't grasp there are multiple issues that this country needs to address...

You would be wrong to think that. We do have a LOT of problems to address, but national healthcare is not the most important. Why a man who wants to become the president would choose an issue that is low on the totem pole as his first issue is beyond me. Clinton did the same thing and if Kerry is going to be that kind of president, then his election will be a real disaster for the US.

no no, i've seen quite a few here who i disagree with who've stated their cases far better than i could do.



ok, Kerry might want to let the homosexuals in the army. that might just be a fact (i don't know). but this part : "a move that will destroy the morale and morality inour military. " where does that come from? have it been done before in the US army and this was the result? Or is it perhaps just his fear?
is there a lower morale in armies which allow homosexuals?


What? don't you know anythng about the Spartans? They were some of the greatest warriors in the world and they were all homosexual. So obviously homosexuality is good for teh military. :p

Uh... we already allow homosexuals in our Military.

Uh... we already allow homosexuals in our Military.
Technically yes. But many are discharged for bogus claims one one kind or another. Not to mention the beatings and abuse. It is still an uphill battle for gays in the military.

Uh... we already allow homosexuals in our Military.

we do too. that's why i consider his "good points" to be moot = trolling.

What? don't you know anythng about the Spartans? They were some of the greatest warriors in the world and they were all homosexual. So obviously homosexuality is good for teh military.

my bad. my bad. i totally forgot about them! :)

Technically yes. But many are discharged for bogus claims one one kind or another. Not to mention the beatings and abuse. It is still an uphill battle for gays in the military.

Yeah, and Clinton did them a great disservice with his "Don't ask Don't tell" program. After that came out, anyone who claimed to be gay was thus targetted for discharge quicker than before. Before that, one had to be caught in the act so to speak. So while Clinton was trying to help, he actually did the opposite as it turned out.

Why you are voting for president Bush?

Because you are NOT COOL.

Yeah, and Clinton did them a great disservice with his "Don't ask Don't tell" program. After that came out, anyone who claimed to be gay was thus targetted for discharge quicker than before. Before that, one had to be caught in the act so to speak. So while Clinton was trying to help, he actually did the opposite as it turned out.
Agreed, "Don't ask Don't tell" doesn't work. Still, from a civillian standpoint, I don't see why gays shouldn't be allowed in the millitary. Perhaps you can explain it to me?*

*Honest question. Don't want to insult or anything.

Agreed, "Don't ask Don't tell" doesn't work. Still, from a civillian standpoint, I don't see why gays shouldn't be allowed in the millitary. Perhaps you can explain it to me?*

*Honest question. Don't want to insult or anything.

Well, the main problem is with discipline. Having openly gay men in the miltary tends to cause a breakdown in discipline. Thats it in simple terms....see also the beatings and other harrassment.

Also...in the 80's with the number of AIDS cases (yes, I know it is not a "gay" disease) you also had to take into consideration the possibility of emergency blood transfusions on the battlefield. If the only person available with your blood type is gay...and possibly HIV positive...what do you do? (Of course that was the thinking in the 80's)

I personally do not have a problem with them and actually worked with one man who was not only gay, but also HIV positive. He died in 1994 from the disease. However, we would often get cuts and that would cause a panic when he would get cut and bleed on equipment for obvious reasons.

Ok then if he opposes gay marriage then why did he oppose the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00280

Just wondering!

Same reason he opposes abortion and still opposes anti-abortion legislation, he doesn't vote based on his personal feelings, he votes based on what would make for a free america. He believes that people shouldn't choose, but should have the right to, same basic idea with Gay Marriage.

Well, the main problem is with discipline. Having openly gay men in the miltary tends to cause a breakdown in discipline. Thats it in simple terms....see also the beatings and other harrassment.

Also...in the 80's with the number of AIDS cases (yes, I know it is not a "gay" disease) you also had to take into consideration the possibility of emergency blood transfusions on the battlefield. If the only person available with your blood type is gay...and possibly HIV positive...what do you do? (Of course that was the thinking in the 80's)

I personally do not have a problem with them and actually worked with one man who was not only gay, but also HIV positive. He died in 1994 from the disease. However, we would often get cuts and that would cause a panic when he would get cut and bleed on equipment for obvious reasons.
Ok, thanks. However, I think that openly gay men wouldn't cause so much of a disruption as, say, when the black were allowed in the millitary, back in the day. Yes, it did cause some problems at first but then it became acceptable.

There seems to be a misconception about Gay and lesbians: those who oppose them seem to think that they can't keep their hands to themselves and will jump on any occasion to have sex. Oh well, mindest will evolve over time.

Too many rightist in america I tell you.


*walks out again*

Ok, thanks. However, I think that openly gay men wouldn't cause so much of a disruption as, say, when the black were allowed in the millitary, back in the day. Yes, it did cause some problems at first but then it became acceptable.

There seems to be a misconception about Gay and lesbians: those who oppose them seem to think that they can't keep their hands to themselves and will jump on any occasion to have sex. Oh well, mindest will evolve over time.

Well, thats it in a nutshell. There are a LOT of misconceptions about every group, such is human nature. Clinton and the democrats thought they were being "politically correct" (I HATE that label) when they changed the rules. As his FIRST decision when taking office, it was an odd thing. On the surface it would seem that it would help make the gays more acceptable to the military since they were already in uniform anyway. However, under the surface, it did far more harm than good as it made it much easier to weed the gays out of the military. Yet Clinton is lauded for being so "progressive." ;)

Well, thats it in a nutshell. There are a LOT of misconceptions about every group, such is human nature. Clinton and the democrats thought they were being "politically correct" (I HATE that label) when they changed the rules. As his FIRST decision when taking office, it was an odd thing. On the surface it would seem that it would help make the gays more acceptable to the military since they were already in uniform anyway. However, under the surface, it did far more harm than good as it made it much easier to weed the gays out of the military. Yet Clinton is lauded for being so "progressive." ;)

I've got to agree with you on that one. Seriously, if I was in the service I wouldn't be averse to gay people in the military. If he thinks I have a fine ass he's going to do his damndest to protect me. So if anyting it would make the military more efficient.

If the only person available with your blood type is gay...and possibly HIV positive...what do you do? (Of course that was the thinking in the 80's)

I personally do not have a problem with them and actually worked with one man who was not only gay, but also HIV positive. He died in 1994 from the disease. However, we would often get cuts and that would cause a panic when he would get cut and bleed on equipment for obvious reasons.

Wouldn't that be more along the lines if you have AIDS, you shouldn't be allowed in the military (rather than a no gays in the military issue)?

I seriously considered joining the military except I get pretty sick at the sight of blood.

Wouldn't that be more along the lines if you have AIDS, you shouldn't be allowed in the military (rather than a no gays in the military issue)?

I seriously considered joining the military except I get pretty sick at the sight of blood.

There are other positions other than front line combat!

Wouldn't that be more along the lines if you have AIDS, you shouldn't be allowed in the military (rather than a no gays in the military issue)?

I seriously considered joining the military except I get pretty sick at the sight of blood.

Well, the guy I knew contracted HIV from unprotected sex with other men. Once he was diagnosed he was restricted to serve in the US only. Once his T-Cell count dropped to a set number, he was medically retired. He died almost 2 years after that happened.

So no, noone is accepted that is HIV positive and once their disease reaches a certain point they are retired.

There are other positions other than front line combat!

Very true...very few people are actually on the front lines.

There are other positions other than front line combat!

Hey, if I knew the guy driving my fuelling truck was gay, I don't know how I could possibly shoot the tank gun! I mean, how do I know he isn't going to jump right out of that tanker and rape me?!

Hey, if I knew the guy driving my fuelling truck was gay, I don't know how I could possibly shoot the tank gun! I mean, how do I know he isn't going to jump right out of that tanker and rape me?!

LOL.....pretty funny.