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I'm sort of taking an informal poll:

If you are Canadian, do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the USA?

If you are an American (ie from the US), do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Canada?

It just sort of saddens me sometimes to hear the rhetoric that occurs between these two close neighbors. I'm an American, but I've always seen Canada as a sort of brother country. Maybe Canadians don't agree with Americans over alot of issues, but I've never felt that Canadians weren't always welcome to live and visit in the US, and I've never felt like an alien during my time spent in Canada (as opposed to in Great Britain, where I felt like more of an outsider). We share so many things, sometimes even a common culture (even though this sometimes upsets Canadians), and besides simple friendly competition I don't understand the animosity. Does anyone else feel the same way?

I've always liked Canada, except Prince Edwards Island, being forced up there twice a year as a kid doesn't leave me with fond memories of that place. My girlfriend is from Canada (Ontario), and though she may get a lot of flak for her silly pronunciation of about and process, I get it in return for the letter r and the word wicked.

In a recent UN ranking, Canada was ranked 4th in the world, while US was ranked 8th. Personally, I've always wanted to find a home with our Northern Neighbors. Should I start spelling it Neighbours now?

I live semi-close to Canada being in New england and i got no problems with canada it reminds me of maine except much larger :P

I live semi-close to Canada being in New england and i got no problems with canada it reminds me of maine except much larger :P

Do not compare the lovely country of Canada to that barren treescape that never ends, damn Mainiacs ;)

Well, New Brunswick and Maine are very similar.

Well,
I'm a Canadian but my mother was born in Utah, so I suppose I have a different view than someone from Canada with little or no close contact. I've travelled down there many times and I have no problems with Americans, although I did find I felt less welcome and was treated rudely on more ocasions that when in Canada. Truth be told I really dislike Canada. Everyone always talks about how it is so nice because we are a free society and the people are so friendly etc.. but I rarely see that. It is true that the scenery is indeed quite beautiful but at least where I am from (Calgary) I find the majority of people are, to be blunt total wankers. I digress however.
Canada and the United States do have quite a few things in comon, and appart, But I too wonder why there is such hostilities at times between the two. Canadians are (through my experience) too busy being rude, and uncivilized to their fellow Canadians to be hostile towards the United States. so why waste the time and effort? :P

In a recent UN ranking, Canada was ranked 4th in the world, while US was ranked 8th. Personally, I've always wanted to find a home with our Northern Neighbors. Should I start spelling it Neighbours now?


A recent UN ranking for what year and catagory? I think it a bit unfair if the US were to be judged as a whole based entirely on flannel sock manufacturing. Also a link to these rankings would be most educational as im curious personally how the US stands to the rest of the world in lets say...hydro-electric dam output or something.

I'm Canadian -- I don't understand a lot of the anti-American sentiment from some people I know. It's not strongly anti-American like you might find in some countries. Actually it's more like the attitude that a little brother might have for his bigger brother sometimes. A lot of people here feel like Americans take us for granted sometimes and that they can be rather arrogant and overbearing.

People often worry too about being swallowed up by American culture. What they don't understand is that Canada is a part of America (North America). American culture is difficult to differentiate from American culture because Canadians have helped create what is considered "American".

Sure there are things that aren't right or perfect about the US -- but we believe in the same ideals and these ideals are noble and beautiful. We have to remember that.

It depends on how one interprets your question. Are we talking about the The United States, the political entity? The United States, the individual people? The United States, all aspects combined?

I can't say I'm always terribly fond of Americans choice in political matters, nor politicians. On the par though, I've found Americans themselves to be quite nice, and not all that different from ourselves.

I do think Canada needs a more creative name for their national birthday than "Canada Day", the Americans have the 4th of July (or Independence Day), the French have Bastille Day. There also seems to be an abnormally large number of things with maple leafs, I'm not talking hats or shorts, but things like Mcdonald's signs that have the maple leaf incorporated into it, or registers with it as part of the mold, is it to differentiate from the American versions or is it just patriotism?

I do think Canada needs a more creative name for their national birthday than "Canada Day", the Americans have the 4th of July (or Independence Day), the French have Bastille Day. There also seems to be an abnormally large number of things with maple leafs, I'm not talking hats or shorts, but things like Mcdonald's signs that have the maple leaf incorporated into it, or registers with it as part of the mold, is it to differentiate from the American versions or is it just patriotism?



When I drove through Washington state last summer, The first town I went through, the first thing I saw was an American flag. On every lamp post, of every corner, of every block. and one painted in nearly every window too... so I mean, I guess your question can be bounced back to you as well.

And just for the record, the French (through Bastille Day) are celebrating the fact that they freed a whopping 4 people from a gaol. I understand it was the beginning of their revolution though, but still.. comon.

When I drove through Washington state last summer, The first town I went through, the first thing I saw was an American flag. On every lamp post, of every corner, of every block. and one painted in nearly every window too... so I mean, I guess your question can be bounced back to you as well.

And just for the record, the French (through Bastille Day) are celebrating the fact that they freed a whopping 4 people from a gaol. I understand it was the beginning of their revolution though, but still.. comon.

I know what it is down here, extreme patriotism, I was asking what it is up there, since some foreigners talk of being taken over by American corporations (like Mcdonald's) I was wondering if it was patriotism or a form of making it Canadian.

And Bastille Day celebrates the Storming of the Bastille, which was a symbol of Monarchial Power and the absolute authority of the King in France. As I understand it, it was stormed for arms and powder, not to free the prisoners (who were mostly not political).

I have never had ill thoughts towards Canada. Liked the people. Actually visted all provinces.

On relationships I think the two countries are like siblings. Fight like hell, call each other names, but when if it came down to it, if each would run to the others aid, if things were really bad.

A recent UN ranking for what year and catagory? I think it a bit unfair if the US were to be judged as a whole based entirely on flannel sock manufacturing. Also a link to these rankings would be most educational as im curious personally how the US stands to the rest of the world in lets say...hydro-electric dam output or something.

Actually for this year. Canada was ranked 4th in standard of living over all in the world and the USA was 8th.

I personally have too many American friends to mention and on the whole like America and Americans, the only down side of America for me at this point is the current administration and the neo-cons in the country who believe some whacky shit..lol I look very much forward to hopefully Kerry winning the American election so some sanity can be restored to your country.

Other then that, I have no problem at all with America.

I look very much forward to hopefully Kerry winning the American election so some sanity can be restored to your country.

Other then that, I have no problem at all with America.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?"

Haven't you essentially just said, "Currently, Americans are completely insane, but they're an okay sort"? And haven't you just libeled 230 million people because you don't like the administration?

Sarcasm? Hostility? Who knows?!

And haven't you just libeled 230 million people

No, she hasn't damaged 230 million peoples ability to earn a living by printing something about them to that effect. But she has labeled them.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?"

Haven't you essentially just said, "Currently, Americans are completely insane, but they're an okay sort"? And haven't you just libeled 230 million people because you don't like the administration?

Sarcasm? Hostility? Who knows?!

No, not at all, I do realize that the majority of Americans didn't vote for this administration and for those who did, most probably had no idea what they were going to get with him, I don't blame the American people at all. You misunderstood me.

But nice attempt at trying to twist what I said Hack.. :p

I am Canadian. I love my country, warts and all. I view Americans as wonderful people. I just don't understand how they voted in the current administration. I find it absolutely hilarious when that administration points it's finger north of the border and blames us for it's woes. After 40 years of listening to all the crap from both sides, I've shut off my tv, folded up my newspaper and just ditched it all. I have US neighbours all around me, since I'm on a military base. Wonderful people. They are great company, we get along fine. I'm tired of comparing sides, seriously. Yes, Canada and the US have differences. I don't consider our cultures as the same or even similar because of all that's very different between them. I do embrace that difference. All in all, I'm rather amused and sometimes annoyed at all the carping that goes on back and forth between countries and it's people. If anything, the average Canadian is more British than you think. Believe me, I've done a lot of talking to a lot of people here, the mindset is more different than a US citizen realizes. When my neighbours have to ask me for help in understanding some of our thinking, ideals, traditions, etc, I'd say we are different for sure. Enjoy the difference, and stop the griping. That's my motto.

Actually for this year. Canada was ranked 4th in standard of living over all in the world and the USA was 8th.

This I agree with but meh, I really don't care

I personally have too many American friends to mention and on the whole like America and Americans, the only down side of America for me at this point is the current administration and the neo-cons in the country who believe some whacky shit..lol I look very much forward to hopefully Kerry winning the American election so some sanity can be restored to your country.

I only have a few Canadian Friends and they know who they are. We fight yea but I take it in stride and not personally. Its fun to debate with them. Me, I have no problems with Canada. I like some of their sport teams and the country side. I prefer Canadian Niagra Falls to American Niagra Falls. My aunt will be traveling through the country on her way to alaska, and yes driving, not flying. LOL

Other then that, I have no problem at all with America.

Other than that, I have no problems at all with Canada! GO FLAMES GO

Based on personal experience, in general found US atmosphere tonnes of energy to do new, create but very shallow therefore too flimsy and passing to be worth investing time, energy and change.

This in all bigger cities with extremes such as LA, NY and big messes inbetween. Found western townships more likely to survive the upcoming events such as the forced end of our lifestyle and bit more real to live.

I did not see, feel where the megatowns just north of the border differ in feeling of living so I include them to be with the US, Vancouver, Toronto and the like.
With the exception of those funny quebeqois with that Royal Mtn.

That leaves only few settlements wich have more dept in feelings, sobriety, and will to break our standard egocentric perception.
We need efficient, practical, loyal, ruthless people to manage affairs.

I indeed see the north and especially BC the place to be if I am to have a chanche to survive with my family this undeniable really fucked up situation we are all in. When global shit hits that fan, the less around you the better.

They always said the Titanic were unsinkable but the entertainment, greed, speed, drunk captain, social order and freaky weather patterns made it front page with half dead bottems up.

I see no future for the better part of mankind, so we will just have to pay the bill and go from there.

For me everybody is equally moronic, no matter what culture or social level you play, what background, you talk to yourself nonstop making up nonsense like I do.

I do prefer honesty in feelings and living, just go after the oil murdering and raping like open asshole Saddam and no selling of petty little excuses of freedom lady liberty, democracy or fear of weapons.

You really think Senate, Congress and the elite Government cares about you?
Why do you think they own billions? I hungry, fear tomorrow no food?
Why tax cutting?
Why war?

Just reserving best seats for the big bang a decade away or so.

We humans need real leaders, our own judgement local wise I guess.

We can steer this consuming ship into a safe place but we have and will not give up our comfort, greed, fear, hate and the like.

In short, our overwhelming self importance wich is our true enemy, mine, yours and the rest as well.

All religion tried undermine our illusions, our personality wich babbles crappy thoughts and lives up to petty feelings making us the retards we are, no exeption, men, woman all colors and with grown up children taking our example.

Since religion, science, philosophy have all not succeeded in changing our behaviour that we take for normal, self pity reflected as compassion and love, love, love me, me, me, me. Socialized petty little tyrants that we are.

Since last 5 to 10 millenia power has corrupted societies to doom and destruction, why would you still keep hoping we would change course?

This is a huge ship that would not directly obey commands when needed fast and we are def on grounding coarse if not sinking. Waves are lots higher, wind picking up, 100 ft is common now.

Confortable is the thought of all is well
Confy to think to live eternally without real effort
Confy to think to feel important
Confy to think karma is bull

Hell is what we are looking at, and I bet you know it too.

I do think Canada needs a more creative name for their national birthday than "Canada Day", the Americans have the 4th of July (or Independence Day), the French have Bastille Day.

I agree. I'm all for our national holiday being called "Beaver Day".

I'm Canadian and I think that the US is like Canada in the sense that you'll find many diverse kind of peoples. I love the american artist, liberals and most americans I encounter on the net. I have visited Boston and loved it, although I think their laws on alcohol consuption are a little harsh.

I hate the american who are loud-mouthed and believe the world owes them (sadly, that's this kind of tourist I mostly encounter), those with the patriotic mentality that america is the only great nation and, lately, neo-cons and the Bush administration.

About the maple leaf/patriotism thing: I see it as a defense mechanism against encroaching american patriotism. We are influenced by the american culture every day and one of the thing we picked up is the patriotism.
We decided to try,for once to be proud of Canada when a UN poll told us that we were #1 in quality of living for 5 consecutive years. We are now ranked #4, by the way. However, being on the recieving end of "holier-than-thou" attitude of some american for many years, the Canadian brand of patriotism is more to defend the country when being targeted by criticism and scream loudly "Canada is great" when being laughed at or discredited.

Also, we have the buisness sence of the English with the passion of the French.

I'm an American and I have a favorable opinion of Canada for the most part.

i'm canadian and american. my parents were born in the states and i was born here (canada) so i got dual citizenship. i went to ohio every summer for the longest time and i've never minded it down there. the only issues i have with the states are the crappy beer issue (which doesn't really bother me, i don't have to drink it) and the whole wal-mart being evil thing.... oh and you know, trying to rip our country off trade-wise thing...

but i have nothing wrong with american people specifically, never have. they're nice enough. :)


except the idiots of course, but idiots aren't exclusive to the u.s.

I don't really like Canada but I really like to go fishing up there.

I've been fishing myself a few times up there. I hope that the lakes up north aren't as bad to fish in as the St. Lawrence is :).
But on the whole, I like Canada. What isn't there to like about them? I myself see them as Americans with different spelling and a different political system. In essence, we're syblings. We're often the two most vicious nations on Earth toward eachother, but it's no hard feelings. We still love eachother. I really do consider Canada to be our little brother, but then again, I'm sure that remark will make Canadians very upset with me :().

Do not compare the lovely country of Canada to that barren treescape that never ends, damn Mainiacs ;)

i have been MANY places in canada and they have lots and lots of trees!

without the trees where would the moose live?

I've actually thought about moving to Canada, but it's hard to emigrate to Canada unless you've already got a lot of money, or you've got a skill that they'd like more of in Canada. Other than that, I'd call it a pretty good country. It's not perfect, and you've got those people who believe they're French in the upper right-hand corner...but aside from that, I don't think there's much wrong with the place. They've got a lot right, from what I hear. Besides, you can buy ibuprofen with codeine in it in the drug stores. Beats Aleve for taking care of a headache any day. ;)

Originally Posted by The Sword and Sheild
Do not compare the lovely country of Canada to that barren treescape that never ends, damn Mainiacs

So what's wrong with Manitoba and Saskatchewan anyway? You know, the government pot fields where they grow medical marijuana are somewhere near Winnepeg, from what I understand. ;)

I'm Canadien and I hate our government and love the US. Why can't you guys come take us over already?

no problems at all with Canada! GO FLAMES GO

BLAH... the Flames suck! ...err...... just because they're the Flames! GO LEAFS GO! See, that's who you should be cheering for. ^_^ s'ok, I'm just yankin' your chain. The Flames are a good team. It's the Sens that suck.

I'm Canadien and I hate our government and love the US. Why can't you guys come take us over already?
Because 32 million angry Canadians with hockey sticks will drive them back... after a very quick game of hockey in which we kick their ass... :D

Canada is a great place. I rather like most candiens. Hell, my children are a quarter Canadien. However, just like any other nation, they have their less than likeable citizens. Eventually, I would like to see Canda and the U.S. as one nation. However, so long as the neo-socialist control the government up there, I will harbor animosity towards the government of Canada.

As a country, the US is great. I just don't like it's govenment. For that matter I don't like my country's government either.

Because 32 million angry Canadians with hockey sticks will drive them back... after a very quick game of hockey in which we kick their ass... :D

Hahaha, wouldn't be the first time ;)

If you are an American (ie from the US), do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Canada?

I am American, and I do not care about Canada. What ever they do or say does not affect me.

First of all, I'd like to say to the Canadian puke that wants Kerry to win our election the following: you're not a citizen of the U.S. (thank God) so we don't care who you want to win. That's right, your opinion doesn't count for squat. You people have been living under socialist rule for a while now, what has it gotten you? Universal health care? Who gives a flip. The ony people in the U.S. who can't get their own healthcare are people without jobs anyway. If we didn't have liberal trial lawyers raping insurance companies on a daily basis the prices wouldn't be so high anyway. But you can't tell that to anyone here, the communists here would get so upset if you stopped rich, fat white lawyers from defending the little guys. What are they really defending? Their wallets. What else has it gotten you? Well let's see, you were ranked higher on a scale of standard of living. Hmmmm.... You were judged by a bunch of idiots at the U.N. who HATE the United States anyway, so of course aren't going to go out of their way to compliment us or admit that our system is better than theirs. That's right, better, live with it. When it all boils down, we could collapse your economy overnight by not buying any more of your oil (that's right hippies, Canada, not Iraq or Saudi, is our number one supplier of oil and natural gas). We wouldn't have to whip your pathetic military, we could break you with a piece of legislation. In short, next time you feel like offering your opinion about our "neo-con" government (a term, like radical right wing conspiracy, thank you communist democrat scum), just keep your liberal, weak military, economic teat sucking mouth closed.

I've actually thought about moving to Canada, but it's hard to emigrate to Canada unless you've already got a lot of money, or you've got a skill that they'd like more of in Canada. Other than that, I'd call it a pretty good country. It's not perfect, and you've got those people who believe they're French in the upper right-hand corner...but aside from that, I don't think there's much wrong with the place. They've got a lot right, from what I hear. Besides, you can buy ibuprofen with codeine in it in the drug stores. Beats Aleve for taking care of a headache any day. ;)


*sighs and hugs you, comforts* yes i wish it was alot easier to immigrate their.. i have alot of good friends and have often wished i could move their.. as for my view of it.. i like canada, never been their, but i like it.. have some questions about its government.. but otherwise.. hell.. i have more than a couple questions about our own..

honestly, i dont really know of any nation persay that i hate.. they are all just people afterall.. now if only the mexicans would stay south of the border.. everythign would be perfect ^.^ Well.. unless they have a visa to visit, then all is ok

First of all, I'd like to say to the Canadian puke that wants Kerry to win our election the following: you're not a citizen of the U.S. (thank God) so we don't care who you want to win. That's right, your opinion doesn't count for squat. You people have been living under socialist rule for a while now, what has it gotten you? Universal health care? Who gives a flip. The ony people in the U.S. who can't get their own healthcare are people without jobs anyway. If we didn't have liberal trial lawyers raping insurance companies on a daily basis the prices wouldn't be so high anyway. But you can't tell that to anyone here, the communists here would get so upset if you stopped rich, fat white lawyers from defending the little guys. What are they really defending? Their wallets. What else has it gotten you? Well let's see, you were ranked higher on a scale of standard of living. Hmmmm.... You were judged by a bunch of idiots at the U.N. who HATE the United States anyway, so of course aren't going to go out of their way to compliment us or admit that our system is better than theirs. That's right, better, live with it. When it all boils down, we could collapse your economy overnight by not buying any more of your oil (that's right hippies, Canada, not Iraq or Saudi, is our number one supplier of oil and natural gas). We wouldn't have to whip your pathetic military, we could break you with a piece of legislation. In short, next time you feel like offering your opinion about our "neo-con" government (a term, like radical right wing conspiracy, thank you communist democrat scum), just keep your liberal, weak military, economic teat sucking mouth closed.


Ahhhhh, SNAP!

Canada just got served!

Universal health care? Who gives a flip. The ony people in the U.S. who can't get their own healthcare are people without jobs anyway.

Hmm.. i work.. i dont have health insurance, youll find that alot of people dont have health insurance, even those who are offered it through work, simply because they cant afford the premiums


When it all boils down, we could collapse your economy overnight by not buying any more of your oil (that's right hippies, Canada, not Iraq or Saudi, is our number one supplier of oil and natural gas).

sounds like we would destroy our own economy at the same time... good move



We wouldn't have to whip your pathetic military, we could break you with a piece of legislation. In short, next time you feel like offering your opinion about our "neo-con" government (a term, like radical right wing conspiracy, thank you communist democrat scum), just keep your liberal, weak military, economic teat sucking mouth closed.

obviously not a believer in freedom of speach..

Ahhhhh, SNAP!

Canada just got served!

By what? An American loud mouth neo-con? He's lucky I didn't issue him a warning for flaming!

Favorable when their opinion of America is favorable

First of all, I'd like to say to the Canadian puke that wants Kerry to win our election the following: you're not a citizen of the U.S. (thank God) so we don't care who you want to win. That's right, your opinion doesn't count for squat. You people have been living under socialist rule for a while now, what has it gotten you? Universal health care? Who gives a flip. The ony people in the U.S. who can't get their own healthcare are people without jobs anyway. If we didn't have liberal trial lawyers raping insurance companies on a daily basis the prices wouldn't be so high anyway. But you can't tell that to anyone here, the communists here would get so upset if you stopped rich, fat white lawyers from defending the little guys. What are they really defending? Their wallets. What else has it gotten you? Well let's see, you were ranked higher on a scale of standard of living. Hmmmm.... You were judged by a bunch of idiots at the U.N. who HATE the United States anyway, so of course aren't going to go out of their way to compliment us or admit that our system is better than theirs. That's right, better, live with it. When it all boils down, we could collapse your economy overnight by not buying any more of your oil (that's right hippies, Canada, not Iraq or Saudi, is our number one supplier of oil and natural gas). We wouldn't have to whip your pathetic military, we could break you with a piece of legislation. In short, next time you feel like offering your opinion about our "neo-con" government (a term, like radical right wing conspiracy, thank you communist democrat scum), just keep your liberal, weak military, economic teat sucking mouth closed.

So, if I have correctly distilled the nuggets of wisdom from your well formed rhetoric. In summary:

1. All trial lawyers are liberal.
2. Refusing to buy from your largest oil supplier would only hurt one side of the equation
3. It's the communists running the judiciary in the US
4. All UN members are idiots (isn't the US a member?)
5. People cannot have opinions on leaders of other countries. This, of course, removes about the only remaining official reason for the Iraq war.


Thank you for your well-considered input.

:p

I've been fishing myself a few times up there. I hope that the lakes up north aren't as bad to fish in as the St. Lawrence is :).
But on the whole, I like Canada. What isn't there to like about them? I myself see them as Americans with different spelling and a different political system. In essence, we're syblings. We're often the two most vicious nations on Earth toward eachother, but it's no hard feelings. We still love eachother. I really do consider Canada to be our little brother, but then again, I'm sure that remark will make Canadians very upset with me :().

Not at all -- we're the same but different. Like brothers (or sisters)!

And the US is ten times our size so that makes us the little brother.

And the US is ten times our size so that makes us the little brother.

Umm maybe population wise, not land mass.. Canada is bigger.

But does it makes sense to you to count all that frozen shit way up North?

Not at all -- we're the same but different. Like brothers (or sisters)!

And the US is ten times our size so that makes us the little brother.

If your talking in terms of geographical size, Canada is larger than the Continental United States afaik, in population they are way out ahead though. And Continental does not count Alaska and Hawaii, or any Territories.

I am American, and I do not care about Canada. What ever they do or say does not affect me.

I read your comment yesterday and thought it cute and intelligent (libel vs. label --- most people don't know what libel means).

This last comment is neither. If you don't care what are you doing in this discussion?

Oh yeah, I forgot that pot is legal in Canada... and you guys have mounties.. that's pretty cool.

If your talking in terms of geographical size, Canada is larger than the Continental United States afaik, in population they are way out ahead though. And Continental does not count Alaska and Hawaii, or any Territories.


I meant population, economy and most any other statistic you would want to name. In terms of area, Canada is bigger (though most of that is uninhabitable). I think Canada is the second largest nation in area and the US is fourth(?).

I read your comment yesterday and thought it cute and intelligent (libel vs. label --- most people don't know what libel means).

This last comment is neither. If you don't care what are you doing in this discussion?


Sorry -- I was confused. You're not the one that made the cute comment -- it was Sword and Sheild. In that case, your comment makes more sense. Sorry!

I do think Canada needs a more creative name for their national birthday than "Canada Day", the Americans have the 4th of July (or Independence Day), the French have Bastille Day. There also seems to be an abnormally large number of things with maple leafs, I'm not talking hats or shorts, but things like Mcdonald's signs that have the maple leaf incorporated into it, or registers with it as part of the mold, is it to differentiate from the American versions or is it just patriotism?

I think it's just to differentiate from the American version. Canadians aren't very overtly patriotic. But that can be a good thing.

So, if I have correctly distilled the nuggets of wisdom from your well formed rhetoric. In summary:

1. All trial lawyers are liberal.
2. Refusing to buy from your largest oil supplier would only hurt one side of the equation
3. It's the communists running the judiciary in the US
4. All UN members are idiots (isn't the US a member?)
5. People cannot have opinions on leaders of other countries. This, of course, removes about the only remaining official reason for the Iraq war.


Thank you for your well-considered input.

:p

1. I didn't say that.
2. I didn't say that either (although we could produce more than enough oil to obliterate our dependance on foreign sources if hippies would let us drill without screaming about dead owls and other worthless animals)
3. I would have to say that a growing number of communists are sitting on the bench, though I didn't say that either.
4. Didn't say that either.
5. I didn't say that either, I simply asserted that their opinion doesn't count. Our opinion counts on Iraq because we felt threatened (regardless of whether the threat was real or perceived) and we have the bombs.

Thank you for wasting my time by not considering your own input.

A loud mouth neo-con? Lucky I didn't get warned? Shove your warning up your hippie ass. You're lucky you aren't within my physical proximity to call me a neo-con to my face. If you were I'd serve your ass a healthy portion of my size 12 combat boot, loser. I'd show you just how neo-con I am by proving you right to assume that I'm a violence monger. I'd enjoy beating the piss out of you. How much more do you think we're going to take before we all start beating the hell out of you psycho liberal pacifists anyway?

A loud mouth neo-con? Lucky I didn't get warned? Shove your warning up your hippie ass. You're lucky you aren't within my physical proximity to call me a neo-con to my face. If you were I'd serve your ass a healthy portion of my size 12 combat boot, loser. I'd show you just how neo-con I am by proving you right to assume that I'm a violence monger. I'd enjoy beating the piss out of you. How much more do you think we're going to take before we all start beating the hell out of you psycho liberal pacifists anyway?

Wow, the second time now in two threads that you've not only threatened a mod, but a women, you must be a real tough guy!

Wow, the second time now in two threads that you've not only threatened a mod, but a women, you must be a real tough guy!
Please don't boot him. Sometimes these threads need some comic relief, and these neo-cons have just the right stuff?

Please don't boot him. Sometimes these threads need some comic relief, and these neo-cons have just the right stuff?

Oh yes, real amusing.

I'm an American.

I like our Canadian neighbors. They're great.

For the most part.

Then again, most Americans are great, except for those who call everyone commies.

Please don't boot him. Sometimes these threads need some comic relief, and these neo-cons have just the right stuff?

CH

There IS a line whereby things stop being "comic", and threats go way beyond it.

But does it makes sense to you to count all that frozen shit way up North?
HEY....theres gold, oil, and gas in that frozen dirt!!!

vancouver is pretty cool.

CH

There IS a line whereby things stop being "comic", and threats go way beyond it.
I agree.....the guy was getting way out of line.

Perhaps some people have to use threats to try and win an argument, rather than dazzle us with their debating skills.

Originally posted by East Canuck
We decided to try,for once to be proud of Canada when a UN poll told us that we were #1 in quality of living for 5 consecutive years. We are now ranked #4, by the way.

Canada was actually #1 for 9 years (1992-2001), please try to post correct information. Also, you failed to mention it's drop in the recent years since then to 8th just last year. UNDER THE UNITED STATES. In all likelehood, the only reason it rose above the States this year is due to the war in Iraq.
As for my opinion, haveing lived in United States for 4 years, Canada for 7 and vacationing in both more times than I can count, I find that the "nice and polite" label for Canadians and the "proud, arrogant and crazy" labels for Americans are not very true. Most Canadians I knew were wankers, just like the rest of the world. Americans, I found them to be completely normal, most of those who hate America just hate Republicans, the smaller, rich percentage of the American people. All factors considered, I actually liked U.S. better, although I like Australia more than both.

Canada was actually #1 for 9 years (1992-2001), please try to post correct information. Also, you failed to mention it's drop in the recent years since then to 8th just last year. UNDER THE UNITED STATES. In all likelehood, the only reason it rose above the States this year is due to the war in Iraq..

Has nothing to do with it, three years ago they changed the ranking system. I know, my mother in law works high up in the Canadian UN here in Canada. From pressure by the Americans actually.. because they kept placing so low. So for one year we ranked low in 8th.. we are back up to 4th and we can't help they changed the ranking system.. even with American pressure they still have never ranked in the top 5. It has nothing to do with Iraq.

Originally posted by Kryozerkia
Because 32 million angry Canadians with hockey sticks will drive them back... after a very quick game of hockey in which we kick their ass...

You have got to be kidding me. First of all, at the most, only 12 million Canadians actually own hockey sticks. Second of all, the United States could take over Canada in a day and still have time for afternoon tea. The only reason they don't (unofficially) is because Canada is a part of Nato, and all those western European powers would be very pissed and would stop trading and might even attempt a doomed attack against American military forces.

You have got to be kidding me. First of all, at the most, only 12 million Canadians actually own hockey sticks. Second of all, the United States could take over Canada in a day and still have time for afternoon tea. The only reason they don't (unofficially) is because Canada is a part of Nato, and all those western European powers would be very pissed and would stop trading and might even attempt a doomed attack against American military forces.

Well true, America would probably kick Canada's ass now, but Canada could kick Au. ass any day! :p

You have got to be kidding me. First of all, at the most, only 12 million Canadians actually own hockey sticks. Second of all, the United States could take over Canada in a day and still have time for afternoon tea. The only reason they don't (unofficially) is because Canada is a part of Nato, and all those western European powers would be very pissed and would stop trading and might even attempt a doomed attack against American military forces.

sorry - you're wrong on that. all Canadians own at least one hockey stick.

Originally posted by Lebedya
sorry - you're wrong on that. all Canadians own at least one hockey stick.

That's not actually possible if your definition of Canadian includes immigrants and permanent residents as it is very unlikely that a 60 year old Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Japanese, etc. grandmother would have any want or need for a hockey stick.

That's not actually possible if your definition of Canadian includes immigrants and permanent residents as it is very unlike that a 60 year old Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Japanese, etc. grandmother would have any want or need for a hockey stick.

Hey, beats Kangaroos' LOL :D

What's wrong with the 'roos? They'd kick a moose's butt any day of the week.

sorry - you're wrong on that. all Canadians own at least one hockey stick.

As it happens, my grandmother is Japanese. She's 62. (and yes, she owns a hockey stick --- Though technically it was left there by my uncle). :p

What's wrong with the 'roos? They'd kick a moose's butt any day of the week.

Hehe, I'm just teasing you, you called Canadians "wankers" I may be a lot of things, but a wanker isn't one of them ;)

I'm too lazy to read all the posts.

One average sized American military base could take over Canada in about a month. This came from a Canadian armed forces person who came in to speak with my class 2 years ago.

I live in Canada, but I suppose I think I have a more fair view of the two. I have a dual-citizenship, thus I owe my allegiance to both countries.

I've noticed whenever I travel to America, that while most of them are very uninformed about Canada (hockey, lumberjacks, polar bears, dogsleds, igloos, other various stereotypes), they are friendly towards Canadians and the stereotypes are nothing more than jokes, and most Americans do realize Canada isn't THAT different from America, culturally speaking.

In Canada (at least around where I live), opinion of America seems to be very low. I get alot of flak for being an American citizen, and most of the time everyone thinks I hate Canada simply because I defend America (I support both nations, but when everyone is attacking one of them, figuratively speaking, I'm going to defend it)

I've met so many countless Canadians who believe it is their patriotic duty to hate America, and they believe all the stereotypes of the redneck-hick American's with really really bad accents that can't find their own country on a map. I'd say roughly for every 10 canadians, about 1 is pro-american, 3 are indifferent, and 6 are anti-american. At least where I live (southern Ontario).

I suppose it can make sense in a way, since if you've studied Canadian history, when you get right down to it, Canada as a nation was formed when the provinces (well, separate British colonies at the time) choose to band together in the event of a War against the United States. As well as that, many Canadian's descended from British loyalists who fled North during the revolution. I bolded this section because I've always found it slightly amusing

So many Canadian's I know condemn and express their hatred of America, yet they seem to LOVE going shopping in America, plan to go to University there, buy products from there, watch American T.V shows, read the magazines, etc.

I don't understand it myself. Well whatever. I have a more balanced opinion IMO due to my dual-citizenship.

I'm an American who loves Canada. I get up there about 3-4 times a year. I have found the Canadians to be much friendlier than Americans. Just stop anywhere in Canada and ask for directions and you'll have everyone in earshot stopping to help you. I'm not an expert on Canadian politics, but I have found that Canadians are a lot more respectful of differing opinions. You just don't find the American type of vitriole and character-assassination up there.

I also like Canadian food. I'm being totally serious. Lots of vinegar, maple syrup, everything has potatoes or gravy. It's kind of like America, just a little different. I also love Fudgee-Os. It's a delicious chocolate cookie you can't get in the states. Last time I was up there I bought six packages. Clodhoppers are good too. I haven't tried poutine yet, but I will next time. Canada also has better domestic beer. Let's face it, Labatt Blue kicks Budweiser's ass any day. One bad thing about Canada: no good Mexican food. You need to work on that.

While Canada does have a larger government that provides free healthcare and spends a lot on education, they are also less personally intrusive. Canadians seem less interested in pleasing their government than Americans do. The government of Canada is less meddlesome when it comes to drugs, sex and marriage. I prefer that. I think the government should stay out of peoples private lives. As for their healthcare system, sure it's not perfect, at it seems to be developing a two-tiered system, one that's free, and one where people with money can jump the queue. But can anyone say anything good about healthcare in the states? At least in Canada you don't have to stay at a job you hate simply to be able to go to a doctor. I think Americans can come up with a universal healthcare system that works.

Canada's highway system could be better, especially in the west. A four-lane divided highway across Canada would be a great idea. Trans-Canada 1 needs serious upgrading.

Let's see, what else...oh yeah! Hockey is a much more exciting national pastime than baseball.

Originally posted by Stephistan
Hehe, I'm just teasing you, you called Canadians "wankers" I may be a lot of things, but a wanker isn't one of them

Actually, I said most, not all of the Canadians I had met were wankers. I count at least 15 Canadians on my list of top friends. Anyway, I lived in Brampton, not the best place to meet nice people.

OMG i can't believe all the crap that is posted here. I am canadian, and i feel like americans have a lot of misconceptions about my country. First of all, we're not communists. We just have health care. The Bush family got rich managing nazi money during WWII, our prime minister Paul Martin had a huge shipping company set up in Barbados while he was still finances minister. They don't pay much income taxes in Barbados (less than 1%), so our leader is just as crooked as yours, except for this Skull and Bones thing. And Nazis.

And someone said that pot was legal in Canada? So not true. But it's changing. Now the gov. stated that you could use medical marijuana in extreme cases, but it is still illegal to buy some, so the law kinda just fell apart by itself. Too bad. We got great homegrown weed.

Some people say canadians are nice. Not much nicer than everyone else in the world. I raise my middle finger as often as i see fit.

Some people say canadian beer is better than american beer. Others just quietly agree with this self-evident thruth. But the best beer is brewed in Europe. Mmmm Irish cream ale!

Whatever you feel about either the US (i hate calling it America, as if they owned the entire continent) or Canada, make up your mind by actually seeing for yourself. Just travel around, ask people who actually live there what they think.

CNN (or any other major news network anywhere in the world) is NOT a good source of information on anything. See for yourself that those french canadians aren't all weird street performers and clowns and acrobats laying bombs to tear canada apart. They're just trying to retain their own language and culture in a pretty hostile environment.

Actually, I said most, not all of the Canadians I had met were wankers. I count at least 15 Canadians on my list of top friends. Anyway, I lived in Brampton, not the best place to meet nice people.

Ah yes, have to watch those small hick towns.. I'm in Ottawa, while we do have wankers, not as many.. LOL :cool:

OMG i can't believe all the crap that is posted here. I am canadian, and i feel like americans have a lot of misconceptions about my country. First of all, we're not communists. We just have health care. The Bush family got rich managing nazi money during WWII, our prime minister Paul Martin had a huge shipping company set up in Barbados while he was still finances minister. They don't pay much income taxes in Barbados (less than 1%), so our leader is just as crooked as yours, except for this Skull and Bones thing. And Nazis.

Hehe... sponsorship scandal anyone?

And someone said that pot was legal in Canada? So not true. But it's changing. Now the gov. stated that you could use medical marijuana in extreme cases, but it is still illegal to buy some, so the law kinda just fell apart by itself. Too bad. We got great homegrown weed.

Hmmmm I'm not a huge fan of the whole drugs thing... not into it myself. I know far too many people who are though... several of which are my friends

Some people say canadians are nice. Not much nicer than everyone else in the world. I raise my middle finger as often as i see fit.

Enh, subject to debate. Nicer to some people, less nice to others

Some people say canadian beer is better than american beer. Others just quietly agree with this self-evident thruth. But the best beer is brewed in Europe. Mmmm Irish cream ale!

Hmmmmm CHAMPAGNE! I like wines and such...

Whatever you feel about either the US (i hate calling it America, as if they owned the entire continent) or Canada, make up your mind by actually seeing for yourself. Just travel around, ask people who actually live there what they think.

I agree with that statement. Just try not to go in with a bias already.

CNN (or any other major news network anywhere in the world) is NOT a good source of information on anything. See for yourself that those french canadians aren't all weird street performers and clowns and acrobats laying bombs to tear canada apart. They're just trying to retain their own language and culture in a pretty hostile environment.

The media is never a great source. All of them have their own propaganda they express. I really dislike the French-Canadian bit in Quebec though. I mean... I know this sounds harsh, but it's true. They demand equality, so why is it that they are guaranteed a certain number of seats in the senate? A disproportionate amount I might add. Also, through my stupid mandatory Canadian History class, Quebec has caused so much trouble. The Lake Meech and Charlottetown Accord come to mind.

There was no point to this post, I'm just bored out of my mind, on a finishing note, "Therefore, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's... A WITCH!"


It said I wasn't posting a message. I had to lengthen my post to at least 1 characters, despite the fact 1 isn't plural. Apparently my added bolded stuff into the quote doesn't count.

Edit: Hey Whuzzal, you live in Brampton? I live pretty close to you (at least for someone you find on the internet) I live in Hamilton :)

What's wrong with the 'roos? They'd kick a moose's butt any day of the week.

If you really believe that then you haven't seen an angry moose. Sure, they look goofy, but those bastards are dangerous.

OMG i can't believe all the crap that is posted here. I am canadian, and i feel like americans have a lot of misconceptions about my country.

When you put ignorance and people together, they always go for the worst, and not the truth dear *hugs you*

Whatever you feel about either the US (i hate calling it America, as if they owned the entire continent) or Canada, make up your mind by actually seeing for yourself.

*smiles* your not the only one... when i think in terms of america i tend to think of the continent.. not the US, but i guess, thats because ive been in most every state, lived overseas, and when i can manage plan on either visiting or moving to canada.. soo.. hmm, question, if you werent calling a US citizen american, what would you call them?

Angel

Canada was actually #1 for 9 years (1992-2001), please try to post correct information.
I did. To be #1 for 9 years, you have to be #1 for 5 years.

Also, you failed to mention it's drop in the recent years since then to 8th just last year. UNDER THE UNITED STATES. In all likelehood, the only reason it rose above the States this year is due to the war in Iraq.
Actually I did mention we dropped. The war in Iraq has nothing to do with the rating as was explained a few post before.

As for my opinion, haveing lived in United States for 4 years, Canada for 7 and vacationing in both more times than I can count, I find that the "nice and polite" label for Canadians and the "proud, arrogant and crazy" labels for Americans are not very true. Most Canadians I knew were wankers, just like the rest of the world. Americans, I found them to be completely normal, most of those who hate America just hate Republicans, the smaller, rich percentage of the American people. All factors considered, I actually liked U.S. better, although I like Australia more than both.
Well, first hand experience is always reflected in our judgment. You had bad experience in Canada. I had REALLY bad experience from US tourists and on my trips there. I'm sorry to hear you had a bad time here. Next time, come to Montreal and I'll personnaly show you a good time.

I am American, and I do not care about Canada. What ever they do or say does not affect me.
You couldn't be more wrong. If Canada decides that they simply stop trading certain goods with the US or the impose protectionist tariff, you'll find the prices of some goods go up and you might even loose your job. Whether you like it or not, our two countries are so intertwined that one affects the other greatly.

You couldn't be more wrong. If Canada decides that they simply stop trading certain goods with the US or the impose protectionist tariff, you'll find the prices of some goods go up and you might even loose your job. Whether you like it or not, our two countries are so intertwined that one affects the other greatly.

East Canuck is correct here just like what we do down here will affect Canada! We are effectively linked at the hip!

I'm a Canadian. I do not like a lot of American governments and their policies, but with the people of the United States, I don't have a problem with them.

First of all, I'd like to say to the Canadian puke that wants Kerry to win our election the following: you're not a citizen of the U.S. (thank God) so we don't care who you want to win. That's right, your opinion doesn't count for squat.
Well I'm giving my opinion anyway. I know I won't get to vote but if I make even one US citizen stop and think about why he'S voting the way he votes, then all my effort have not been in vain.

You people have been living under socialist rule for a while now, what has it gotten you? Universal health care? Who gives a flip. The ony people in the U.S. who can't get their own healthcare are people without jobs anyway.
Don't knock it untill you tried it. Every post I see coming from countries with universal healthcare say it's better than your system. And your drivel on jobless people isn't true by the way.

What else has it gotten you? Well let's see, you were ranked higher on a scale of standard of living. Hmmmm.... You were judged by a bunch of idiots at the U.N. who HATE the United States anyway, so of course aren't going to go out of their way to compliment us or admit that our system is better than theirs.
How do you know that the UN hate the US? Besides, there is defined ways and quantifiable criterions used to determine the quality of living.

When it all boils down, we could collapse your economy overnight by not buying any more of your oil (that's right hippies, Canada, not Iraq or Saudi, is our number one supplier of oil and natural gas). We wouldn't have to whip your pathetic military, we could break you with a piece of legislation. In short, next time you feel like offering your opinion about our "neo-con" government (a term, like radical right wing conspiracy, thank you communist democrat scum), just keep your liberal, weak military, economic teat sucking mouth closed.
And we could collapse your economy just as easily. WE just have to stop exporting electricity and you'll see chaos fall on the US. Don't go threathen my country as, even with our puny military, we could do more dammage than you can ever think about.

Also, the thread was started so we could give our opinion on the other side. If you don't like it, fine. If you want to disproove some of my arguments, I'm willing to listen. Name-calling is not the best way to get your point across however.

By the way, this is the kind of experience I mostly get when face to face with an american. You can understand my dislike of the american way, now.

I like Canada. (This is coming from a American Republican). People up there seem more friendly- and the conservatives there seem to be a bit more centrist than the Republicans. I have a desire to move to Canada.

It's fun to see how the U.S and Canada are perceived overseas. Canadian troops in Afghanistan received special training in "not looking like americans". That's right. So they don't get shot for nothing.

Even on UN missions, people make the distinction. My cousin, while in the army, went to a peace-keeping mission in Bosnia. His group, canadians and americans, was taken hostage by the armed force over there. Canadians got rounded up in a school, given food and water, occasionally some beer and fried chicken. American soldiers were tied to wooden posts outside to act has a human shield against bombings. You probably haven't heard of this on tv. It was kept more or less secret.

So, americans, you should take back your nation and show the rest of the world you're worth more than that. We only get to see your ugly side, because the minority that rules the country are only rich old shitheads who only care about themselves. You're pawans in that big chess game, while the king and the queen gets all the benefits.

Rage Against the Machine: "Take the power back"

Hmm...32 million with hockeysticks. Beats having guns. As for our military, just remember one thing:We burnt the White House. Now, could we all stop this nasty little contest of who's country is better? We're all grown ups here, be nice. BTW, what's a neo-con? I never understood that term. Please tell me? Thankyou

Hmm...32 million with hockeysticks. Beats having guns. As for our military, just remember one thing:We burnt the White House. Now, could we all stop this nasty little contest of who's country is better? We're all grown ups here, be nice. BTW, what's a neo-con? I never understood that term. Please tell me? Thankyou

Canada didn't burn the White House! The BRITISH burned the White House!

They called themselves Canadians my dear. Read our history books.

They called themselves Canadians my dear. Read our history books.

HAHA! Figures Canada would skew History!

http://www.multied.com/1812/Washington.html

British forces march on Washington. At a brief battle on the road, known as the Battle of Bladensburg; the British forces defeat the American forces, who withdraw in disarray, thus opening the road to Washington. The British burn the White House and the Capitol, but the rest of Washington is saved by a strong rain storm. The British, under orders not to hold any territory, withdrew.

You were saying?

And we could collapse your economy just as easily. WE just have to stop exporting electricity and you'll see chaos fall on the US. Don't go threathen my country as, even with our puny military, we could do more dammage than you can ever think about.


Yes, Canada could do alot of damage, however, if Canada did that, the United States could easily annex Canada in under a month. Most likely the time it would take to annex Canada would be the time it took to get organized and get over there.

Of course, it wouldn't, because of NATO and such, but of course, I think such treaties are relatively stupid....

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Canadian's couldn't have burned down the white house. Canada DIDN'T FORM UNTIL 1867. Citizens of a country that doesn't exist can't really do much of anything, since they can't really exist. It was the British.

It seems we have a bit of revisionist history going on here. In Canada, we are taught that Canadians, helped with British forces fought against the US who tried to invade. In the US they are taught that British forces, helped with some Canadians colonialist attacked Washington because of the whole separation issue. Both countries claim to have won the war of 1812.

Isn't learning history fun?

Oh, by the way, I believe that if the US try to invade Canada, they will succeed. However it will be their downfall as I'm sure that Europe will take up arms against the US just to make sure they're not next.

Actually for this year. Canada was ranked 4th in standard of living over all in the world and the USA was 8th.

And your interpretation of that as meaning Canada is twice as better than the US, in terms of living standards, is incorrect.

It seems we have a bit of revisionist history going on here. In Canada, we are taught that Canadians, helped with British forces fought against the US who tried to invade. In the US they are taught that British forces, helped with some Canadians colonialist attacked Washington because of the whole separation issue. Both countries claim to have won the war of 1812.

Isn't learning history fun?

Yea learning is fun HOWEVER I try to get to the root of everything when it comes to history because I am a history fanatic!

I never said that. I believe the difference between #1 and #10 are relatively small. It just means that living in Canada is a little bit better than in the US.
You're ok. But Stephistan in another thread said being ranked 4th meant Canada precisely doubled American living standards. I couldnt reply to that cause the thread was locked so I point it out here.