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Explain the question. You're comparing an economic system to an ideology...a system of beliefs...so without explanation, answering the question is quite difficult.

Nazism, if we are going to refer to the theory behind them. You can have a communist government without killing anyone (in theory), but you can't have a nazi government without killing someone (racial purity).

I think they're identical.

Read, for example, Cecil F. Melville's The Russian Face of Germany (London: Wishart, 1932) and Jan Valtin's Out of the Night (New York: Alliance, 1944).

Nazism, if we are going to refer to the theory behind them. You can have a communist government without killing anyone (in theory), but you can't have a nazi government without killing someone (racial purity).

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Roach-Busters, can you actually defend your position instead of just constantly bumping this. Comparing genuine Marxism with Stalinism is like comparing your pro-business beliefs with Hitlers. This is getting dangerously near to trolling, dear.

Nazism, if we are going to refer to the theory behind them. You can have a communist government without killing anyone (in theory), but you can't have a nazi government without killing someone (racial purity).


You can achieve racial purity by mass deportation of those deemed "undesirable".

You can achieve racial purity by mass deportation of those deemed "undesirable".
I'll vote for mass deporting Americans from Earth to the Moon.

communism is better...duh

You can achieve racial purity by mass deportation of those deemed "undesirable".

If they're willing to go, and there's a place for them to go.

As a devoted leftist, I'd have to say neither

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=345082

Theoretically, Jews would be persecuted under both systems: under Nazism for being Jewish and under Communism for being businessmen.

That would be assuming that all Jews are businessmen.

Marx was a Jew, incase you didn't notice, Vitania.

Though I'd say Stalinism is almost as evil as Nazism, Communism itself is not.

Marx was a Jew, incase you didn't notice, Vitania.

Schindler's List is one of my favourite films, I think I would have learnt it by now.

You can achieve racial purity by mass deportation of those deemed "undesirable".
Or through (forced) sterilization.

Schindler's list is one of my favourite films, I think I would have learnt it by now.

My point being that it is not communist to persecute Jews.

Or through (forced) sterilization.

Like they did in Sweden to disabled persons?

Like they did in Sweden to disabled persons?
I don't know what they did in Sweden. I know they did it in the US.

Like they did in Sweden to disabled persons?

I believe that it should be 'retarded persons' used in the meaning of the insult (no insult intended). And I doubt that it was that uncommon among countries those days. :(

and of Roms and others labelled 'lazy people'.

Communism is Nazism. The two are almost synonimous. This would be similar to asking, who is worse Hitler or Stalin? Personally I would say both sucked. One must remember that the German Nazi Party or National Socialist party had a leftist/authoritarian message very similar to stalinism.
The problem comes in that Nazism was alligned with Fascism of Spain and Italy. Nazism mirrored Communism much more closely than Fascism, yet Nazism and Fascism are often blurred by idiots who misrepresent history.

Either way this arguement doesnt really matter because both systems were flawed and thus failed.

Communism is Nazism. The two are almost synonimous. This would be similar to asking, who is worse Hitler or Stalin? Personally I would say both sucked. One must remember that the German Nazi Party or National Socialist party had a leftist/authoritarian message very similar to stalinism.
The problem comes in that Nazism was alligned with Fascism of Spain and Italy. Nazism mirrored Communism much more closely than Fascism, yet Nazism and Fascism are often blurred by idiots who misrepresent history.

Either way this arguement doesnt really matter because both systems were flawed and thus failed.

While the Nazis may have had (which I doubt) a leftist message, they had a definitely fascist practice. Not to mention that National Socialist is a contradiction in terms, if you're strictly following "the Communist Manifesto"

different message, same result. So I guess it depends on which message you like the least. (refering to USSr and Nazi Germany)

Communism is Nazism. The two are almost synonimous. This would be similar to asking, who is worse Hitler or Stalin? Personally I would say both sucked. One must remember that the German Nazi Party or National Socialist party had a leftist/authoritarian message very similar to stalinism.
The problem comes in that Nazism was alligned with Fascism of Spain and Italy. Nazism mirrored Communism much more closely than Fascism, yet Nazism and Fascism are often blurred by idiots who misrepresent history.

Either way this arguement doesnt really matter because both systems were flawed and thus failed.

Stalinism does not equal communism. Stalin was a fascist.

The only reason communism fails is when people in office get addicted to power, and subsequently become corrupt. If a communist nation were run under a benevolent dictator, then it could be the closest thing to a utopia humans will ever reach. However, most people cannot be trusted to handle the fabric of a society responsibily, and even if this benevolent dictator came to power, he or she would have to die eventually, and the nation would probally fall to chaos. Nazism, on the other hand, is based on the persecution and slaughter of Jewish people, and the building of a international empire. Perhaps the people of Germany would never had resorted to such drastic and militant measures if the treaty of Versailles were not so oppressive.

I'd say Nazism because they had no real un-racial philosophy. If you ever read the book of Communism, it really is a great idea, it's just not carried out right, and often leaned towards its leaders good. Nazism is just there for being there's sake, while Communism was invented to replace the Czar, but instead spread all over Asia and Europe.

EDITED: I just read the post above me. I'm sorry, this is about the exact same thing. It was my idea, though, honest!

I'd say Nazism because they had no real un-racial philosophy. If you ever read the book of Communism, it really is a great idea, it's just not carried out right, and often leaned towards its leaders good. Nazism is just there for being there's sake, while Communism was invented to replace the Czar, but instead spread all over Asia and Europe.

EDITED: I just read the post above me. I'm sorry, this is about the exact same thing. It was my idea, though, honest!

"There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action."

-Johann von Goethe

I think they're identical.

Read, for example, Cecil F. Melville's The Russian Face of Germany (London: Wishart, 1932) and Jan Valtin's Out of the Night (New York: Alliance, 1944).


No there not. Fascism is a form of far rightism. Communism is a form of leftism but very authoritarian.The problem with it is that it leads to totalitarianism, as well as fascism (Italy in the 1940s for example). If you want to know what the hell I'm talking about then go to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page to get a better understanding. I hate both, and capitalism. Hell know socialist like Trotsky was opposed to Fascism.

*I'm not defending none of them keep in mind*


*My two cents, I will leave now*

I have people killed during the night :sniper: , there are no divorces :gundge: , so on and so on :mp5: :rolleyes: .

In a perfect world, Communism Works. Everyone is happy, the people benefit fro it, and the benevolent Dictator creates a heaven on earth. Unfortunatly, people like Mao Zedung and Josef Stalin came to power... And that ruined it. The Nationalist FAcism which here is Called "Nazism" Is the belief in one race rules all, and that one Nation, Germany, Is the greatest. Whiel i hav eno quarrel with Nationalism, the racism is something it oculd have done without. Personally, i think that Both are evil. A demcoratic Capitalist society is the best choice. Anarchism only works in that Perfect world communism was in, so that leaves us with Capitalism. Totalairanism doesnt work no matter what, so democracy is left.

Communism [definitions]:
1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

The problem with communism and also Plato's Republic (arguably a basis for Fascism) is that both systems assume the leader(s) will be near-incorruptible and essentially good. However, as we all know, power can corrupt. Ultimately there is very little difference between fascism and communism, as both tend to devolve very quickly into dictatorships or oligarchies which hold people together through fear of each-other or of foreigners.

Communism [definitions]:
1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

The problem with communism and also Plato's Republic (arguably a basis for Fascism) is that both systems assume the leader(s) will be near-incorruptible and essentially good. However, as we all know, power can corrupt. Ultimately there is very little difference between fascism and communism, as both tend to devolve very quickly into dictatorships or oligarchies which hold people together through fear of each-other or of foreigners.

Agreed.

Communism. A stateless, classless, moneyless society is so much better than a genocidal dictatorship.

Communism. A stateless, classless, moneyless society is so much better than a genocidal dictatorship.
And since a genocidal dictatorship is the only other option, communism is the only logical choice.

I think National Socialism vs communism is a better question.

and given the inherently racist connotations behind national socialism i have to say communism is better.

I think many people's understanding of communism is very russia-centric, one forgets the (relatively) successful regime in Cuba, (who knows where they could be without the illegal american blockade, preventing the cuban economy, and therefore, in such a society, the people, from benefitting from world trade, as well as denying the american people, and therefore much of the rest of the world (interfering b*****ds) from benefitting from the products of the largest medicinal pharmaceutical industry in the world) for example, and the ideology behind communism which has never been applied to a real state, i believe, would probably benefit all those in society in the long term were it to actually tested.

Of course Naziism is worse. its a silly question really. is it better to try and forge a society orientated towards the needs of its people or murder 6 million?

JaeSun

In answer to the previous post, its not the only alternative, but in this question, there are only two options, nazism or communism. is naziism possible without a genocidal dictator, yes, because that is/was the way of the nazis.

it may be possible to have a nationalist/facist/national socialist state that isnt, but to me naziism means the policies of the Nazi party, ruling party in Germany 1933-1945. Is that not the case?

JaeSun

Whats worse, communism or nazisim?

Neither.

Pure, unregulated capitalism is worse than all of them.

Don't feed this troll. This is by far the worst thread ever.

As an ideology nazism is worse. Communism is a quite nice idelogy, it works quite nice in Star Trek, but it doesn't work in real life. It's vulnerabel to corruption, it is economically ineffective and it has lead to more dead people than any other ideology ever. So if the number of dead people is a measure of 'badness', communism would be worse than nazism.

Don't feed this troll. This is by far the worst thread ever.
Nah... it's pointless. But it's still cool!

Troll maybe but opens up interesting possibilities for debate.

is capitalism worse?

i think it may be but i'm unwilling to cast it in the same way as naziism

just a thought

JaeSun

This question's nonsense. Its clear, whats worse o.o

Communism is a economical system, giving all people the chance to live and to have same education etc like everybody else. People share food, money etc - nobody lives in big houses, while other people work the hole day and have a small apartement only.

National Socialism is an ideology, which says, that the human is not one race (that definitely is correct) but there are different kinds of men. Some peoples would be better than others (that seems to be the idea of a psychotic man) etc.

Communism wants liberty of people, justice etc.
National socialism wants most people to die or work as slaves.

As you can see, the communism is much better than national socialism. What you know from countries like Russia or northern Korea is not the communism as Marx wanted him, its just a dictatorship and an economical system which ensures all people to be equivalent poor.

Communism is worse because the only real nazis around today are neonazi teen angsty goth skinhead types who have no real shot at power, and there are still plenty of people who follow entirely too many "communistic" ideals and thus provide a greater real danger to freedom.

Hmm which is worse facism or communism, oh wait thats easy facism, why might you ask? because communism has never existed. Only Proletarian Bonapartism and Bourgeois Bonapartism.

Hmm. The fact is that the Nazis where communist, so I'm not pretty sure that we can answer to your question.

"The fact is that the Nazis where (sic) communist"
There was no common ownership of the means of production. The Nazis were in no sense Communist.

Communism is worse by far.

Hmm. The fact is that the Nazis where communist, so I'm not pretty sure that we can answer to your question.

The Nazis hated communism. Fascism is basically a reaction to socialism. If you had ever read anything written by fascists, you'll find two things: it's built on a massive series of logical fallacies, particularly leaps of logic, and it is extremely anti-socialist.

Hmm. The fact is that the Nazis where communist, so I'm not pretty sure that we can answer to your question.Back that up with sources (and preferably better grammar).

Nazism, if we are going to refer to the theory behind them. You can have a communist government without killing anyone (in theory), but you can't have a nazi government without killing someone (racial purity).
In practicality it is impossible to compare the two, since out of those two, only Nazism has ever existed in this world; so saying that you are going to compare the theory behind them is implied.

whats worse? Getting shot in the face with a Mossberg 12 guage or getting shot in the face with a Benelli 12 guage?

both suck

For godsakes, just because russias communism system is crap doesnt mean you can have a effective communist system. NAZI is worse, you cant have a good nazi, what are you gonna do paddle a jew? ask the europeans politely to give up?

For godsakes, just because russias communism system is crap doesnt mean you can have a effective communist system. NAZI is worse, you cant have a good nazi, what are you gonna do paddle a jew? ask the europeans politely to give up?
The USSR nor Russia have ever had a communism running. They attempted it under Lenin and it was turned into a dictatorship by Stalin.

How many more humans will have to be slaughtered to make you all realise that all forms of socialism are evil?

How many more humans will have to be slaughtered to make you all realise that all forms of socialism are evil?

How many more people will have to starve and die from easily preventable diseases to make you understand that global capitalism is evil?

How many more people will have to starve and die from easily preventable diseases to make you understand that global capitalism is evil?

If that were true, why has the world's population increased dramatically over the last two centuries than any other period in history?

If that were true, why has the world's population increased dramatically over the last two centuries than any other period in history?

Because Capitalism is marginally better at looking after people than feudalism. However, exponential population expansion is not a good thing- what's the point you are trying to make?

How many more people will have to starve and die from easily preventable diseases to make you understand that global capitalism is evil?

You implied that capitalism is the cause of hunger and disease yet nations which have adopted a capitalist economy have fewer people who starve and the people in general are exposed to fewer diseases. Over the course of modern capitalism's history we have seen dramatic improvments in food quality and storage techniques while diseases that were once common are almost nonexistant.

Because Capitalism is marginally better at looking after people than feudalism.

So a house with plumbing, electricity and central heating is marginally better than the wattle and daub huts of feudal serfs?

Oh sure- the west has it great. But you seem to forget that the vast majority of the worlds population do not live in conditions such as these, and yet they remain part of the global capitalist marketplace.

Oh sure- the west has it great. But you seem to forget that the vast majority of the worlds population do not live in conditions such as these, and yet they remain part of the global capitalist marketplace.

That's because the vast majority of the world is ruled by shitty leaders who've adopted socialist policies. Go complain to them first.

That's because the vast majority of the world is ruled by shitty leaders who've adopted socialist policies. Go complain to them first.

Bullshit. Corporate vested interests control the third world. Shitty leaders? Yes. Socialist Policies? no. You think a leader who nationalised all property owned by western corporations would last very long at all? And if they do, they survive in complete isolation. Most third world leaders are corrupt and sell out their populations for corporations and themselves to make money.

If that were true, why has the world's population increased dramatically over the last two centuries than any other period in history?

The reasons behind it are complex, but basically, it is because capitalism causes a great deal of suffering. The people hit hardest are left with no creative outlets other than reproduction and place their hopes for a better future on their children.

Communism is worse because:

Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism is based on revolutionary romanticism. Wich in general means, they wish to overthrow world order with revolutions and institute a proletarian dictatorship with the most communist cunning that leads the working class. True, that marxism is the most "economically" theory of them, however the last words in the communistic manifact is "proletarians world-wide, unite!" These are radical words and are generally used by countrymen to unite against the enemy (another people that is). Communism stands for that people who are not communistic should be immideately exterminated swiftly during the world-wide revolution. Upper class also.

Nazism is a Fascistic theory. Hitler has made it up and are also talking to the lower class to see its value over others, and use nationalism to group them. Nazism, however, has no general interest in exterminate anyone, but it believes that democracy is a brutal fault against the racial overcome over others and are dillusional since it in general speak for equally value (however it is'nt theorically for any kind of free speach or equally value). Nazism is jingoistic though. But only light-jingoistic because it believes that the people should be protected by military from "foreign danger and threats".

Basically they are horrific both of them. But communism has killed more people, introduced greater poverty and oppressed its people far more than any other ideology. There are counts of 70 million people dead through executions worldwide (and Stalin killed 15 million) without any trial. Also, communism does'nt stand for any kind of human wellfare (except for Cuba with its world leading healthcare available for all communists and well paying foreigners) but Nazism do (to all racial superiorities).

Royalist and anti-Communist/anti-Nazist

Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism is based on revolutionary romanticism.

I know. They gave workers control of the means of production and abolished social classes and money. NOT! They were simply not communist.

Nazis want millions of people to die to that a bunch of blonds can rule the world. Communists want a stateless, classless, moneyless society. Which sounds better?

I know. They gave workers control of the means of production and abolished social classes and money. NOT! They were simply not communist.

Nazis want millions of people to die to that a bunch of blonds can rule the world. Communists want a stateless, classless, moneyless society. Which sounds better?
How can you even tie Nazism to Marxism, Leninism, or Stalinism?

Nazism is worse than communism. Nazism was based upon the theory of superiority, which meant that people were given rights based simply on their birth i.e. luck. Communism on the other hand states all people are equal. And communism can work; the problem is that most people see communism as stalinism. Before Stalin, the political system meant that everywhere had equal choice; various groups appointed their "Leaders" as such, who were subject to instant recall (so if they did something the people didn't want, they couldn't continue as they were replaced), who then made decisions in the local soviets, eaach with equal voting power. These local soviets then chose one representative to go to the upper soviet, which resided at the top. Again, they were subject to instant recall. By this system of instant recall, it meant that no-one could become too powerful. The structure collapsed when Russia went into crisis; people are always more likely to support extremists in a crisis situation. This allowed the corrupt to the higher eschelons of power, and allowed them to take control.

Nazisism is the greatest enemy that this world faces. if bases itself on hatred and inequality.

Communism is a belief that one day the workring class will unite together to remove a common enemy,captlists. and replace it with a socialist society where wealth is divided among the masses equally

Stalinism is caused by the corupt leadership and beurcracy with the belief in "socialism in one country" it is not communism it wat is known as by socalist across the world as "deformed workers state" a long cry from marx,leinns, trotsky and so many over comrades view of world free of division and expolitation of the workers

Surly unity is better than disision?

left better than right?

communism is based on the proletarian dictatorship, wich means that no one owns anything. Everything you do will be confistated by the state so they can be "equally" divided among the working class (e.g. pure communists).

Those who wish to speak free or think free are not "communists". They are capitalists who think dangerous thoughts. Communism does'nt stand for any kind of equality in practical. Maybe theoretical, but for me personally I dont give a damn for equality! You should work yourself up into your worth! Hell! Even socialists had high chief places in Nazi-Germany! If you even called yourself a social liberal (or anything else than socialist) you got a shot in the head during the Lenin and Stalin time. Vietnam, China, Laos and Cuba are the same now!

Royalist

communism is based on the proletarian dictatorship, wich means that no one owns anything. Everything you do will be confistated by the state so they can be "equally" divided among the working class (e.g. pure communists).

Those who wish to speak free or think free are not "communists". They are capitalists who think dangerous thoughts. Communism does'nt stand for any kind of equality in practical. Maybe theoretical, but for me personally I dont give a damn for equality! You should work yourself up into your worth! Hell! Even socialists had high chief places in Nazi-Germany! If you even called yourself a social liberal (or anything else than socialist) you got a shot in the head during the Lenin and Stalin time. Vietnam, China, Laos and Cuba are the same now!

Royalist
You confuse socialism and communism.

As a Marxist-Leninist, I will try to answer this.

This topic is based on a false premise.

You can't compare communism to nazism, period.

Communism is a system based on sharing, while nazism is based on racial purity. they cannot be compared.

There is nothing wrong with communism. Communism is not about racism. It's about unity, and equality for all humans. If you have any questions, I will answer them.


I dont give a damn for equality!

Of course you don't.


communism is based on the proletarian dictatorship, wich means that no one owns anything.

The dictatorship of the proletariat means that the proletariat is the ruling class. In todays society, the rich people decides everything, while the poor has little or no power. In a socialist society, the workers will decide their own future, unlike in a capitalist society.


The proletariat (working class) consist of everyone who earns wages (from people working in factories, to cops, doctors, architects etc.)
The dictatorship of the proletariat is a socialist society. From there, according to Marx's theory, the society will advance to communism.

Marx was a Jew, incase you didn't notice, Vitania.

Though I'd say Stalinism is almost as evil as Nazism, Communism itself is not.

Marx came from a Jewish family that later converted to Lutheranism (sp?), but he himself was an ardent atheist whose contempt for all religions was virtually unsurpassed in history.

Marx came from a Jewish family that later converted to Lutheranism (sp?), but he himself was an ardent atheist whose contempt for all religions was virtually unsurpassed in history.

Of course, "religion is the opiate of the peoples", but he was ethnically Jewish.

As a Marxist-Leninist, I will try to answer this.

This topic is based on a false premise.

You can't compare communism to nazism, period.

Communism is a system based on sharing, while nazism is based on racial purity. they cannot be compared.

There is nothing wrong with communism. Communism is not about racism. It's about unity, and equality for all humans. If you have any questions, I will answer them.




Of course you don't.

While I'm am not a marxist-leninist, I am closer to a fascist (I disagree with a few things, but I agree with the theory far more closely than most political ideologies in the world)... I agree with the above poster for the most part.

The two cannot be compared, communism/marxism is an economic system (although most often it is also accompanied by certain social values and such, communists in general tend to support things such as pro-choice and gay marriage, even though they are unrelated to the economic system inherently).

Naziism is nothing but the ideals of ONE specific party in history. Please do NOT compare Naziiism to fascism, they are NOT the same thing. Simply because Hitler was allied to Mussolini does not mean they believed the same thing. Several of Mussolini's high ranking officials were openly Jewish, Fascism is NOT inherently discriminatory against any race or religion.

The Nazi party's name was, translated, The National German Socialist Worker's Party (I might have gotten the word order mixed up, the idea remains the same though). SOCIALIST WORKER's party, does that sound like something an extreme right wing party would have as their name? NO. Fascism is extreme right wing. The only real major characteristics the two have in common are beliefs in national unity, national pride, authoritarian rule and militarism.

This part is not really related to this thread specifically, but I've noticed alot of people confusing Naziism and Fascism, so I'd like to state again, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING, nor even really close.

Oh, as a final note, a communist government is far from utopian... Under a communist system, people are FORCED to give up everything they make in order that it be equally divided among all. This is hardly utopian. If people willingly gave what they had to the less fortunate, this is a good thing, however, that is not communist. I've met just as many, if not more right-wing people who devote time and money to charities than left-wingers, the difference is the right believes in the CHOICE to decide whether or not you do, whereas the left (i.e communism, extreme left) believes in FORCING everyone to divide up what they have.

While I'm am not a marxist-leninist, I am closer to a fascist (I disagree with a few things, but I agree with the theory far more closely than most political ideologies in the world)... I agree with the above poster for the most part.

What kind of fascist? Nazi, or more like a platonist?


The two cannot be compared, communism/marxism is an economic system (although most often it is also accompanied by certain social values and such, communists in general tend to support things such as pro-choice and gay marriage, even though they are unrelated to the economic system inherently).

I agree. I think it varies from peson to person. I am strongly opposed to abortion, because I don't think it's about "women's right", or choice, because the choice is to kill another human being. But of course, if the woman's lfe is threathened, it would always be an option.

On the subject of gay marriage, I haven't really gotten into it, because I believe church and the general society should be seperated. I don't understand why homosexuals want to be married in a church where they are condemned in hell, but of course that is their option.

And yes, I agree wth you on the fact that many fascists are not nazis, however there are nazis who say they are fascists. That's a debate you have to take up with them. ;)


Basically, I'm strongly in favor of all freedoms, as long as it doesn't discriminate or harm anybody else. We don't believe in forcing people, but we strongly advocate that everything should be shared by all people.

On the subject of gay marriage, I haven't really gotten into it, because I believe church and the general society should be seperated. I don't understand why homosexuals want to be married in a church where they are condemned in hell, but of course that is their option.

There's more to gay marriage than that, not to mention that not all churches are anti-gay. Many of them are more than willing to perform gay marriages.

As a Marxist-Leninist, I will try to answer this.

This topic is based on a false premise.

You can't compare communism to nazism, period.

Communism is a system based on sharing, while nazism is based on racial purity. they cannot be compared.

Yes, Nazism is based on racial purity. But nothing in Mein Kampf or any other nazi crap from the time Before the "third reich" say anything about extermination of unwanted races.

The both of them can be compared, because they are almost eachothers opposites.

There is nothing wrong with communism. Communism is not about racism. It's about unity, and equality for all humans. If you have any questions, I will answer them.

Of course there are faults in all kinds of ideological issues. Every decision will make consequences, and improvements. Equality means that everyone will get a fresh start of their lives. But it also mean that they stop there. And something is'nt immediately good just because it is not racistic.
My only question is if you are so narrow-minded that you cant accept other issues for what they are, not what they mean?


Of course you don't.

Be a little reasonable. Paste more into the context. I said that I prefer working myself to a higher level and thereby gain better status and salary. "Equality" in communistic ways means that it doesnt matter how hard you work, you are always poor, or rich if the country is inhabited by approximately 200 people.


The dictatorship of the proletariat means that the proletariat is the ruling class. In todays society, the rich people decides everything, while the poor has little or no power. In a socialist society, the workers will decide their own future, unlike in a capitalist society.

Nope. It means that the person with most cunning in communism will rule supremely and watch over equality and the proletarians (proletarian=propertyless).
In todays society (Sweden, UK, France or USA and other democracies) anyone with a tongue can express their opinion and if they are good enough, get party aid and run for campaign. If lucky, he will gain the peoples trust and there you got democracy.
And I must say, as a member of the "working-class" I do not feel that my future is threatened or halted or limited by the capitalist society in Sweden.

The proletariat (working class) consist of everyone who earns wages (from people working in factories, to cops, doctors, architects etc.)
The dictatorship of the proletariat is a socialist society. From there, according to Marx's theory, the society will advance to communism.

You are right on one opinion after all. However, in a proletarian dictatorship (as the Soviet Union) farmers who worked a little too hard when harvesting had their entire crop confistated and sometimes they were accused for trying to gain power over the "proletarians". Penalty for such a "crime" was death.

Doctors lost their practices. No one were allowed to see doctors with foreign medicine and no one were prioritised in the line for healthcare. Even if you needed acute treatment for cancer you were not allowed to step forward past the workers with toenail itching.

As a final. No ideology is created to make people "suffer". Ideologies are created by each individual, because humans are created with the instinct to improve.

Royalist :D

Communism is the best political system in theory. However, it is not possible in reality. Stalinism and Maoism are extreme examples of communism being corrupted by human nature.

Nazism - I'd rather be stripped of all individuality (like in Communism) rather than force fed some racist Nazi garbage about who I am

Ones racists, the other favours the stupid and lazy. My god, if these were the only 2 options left in the world, suicide would become the the 3rd. Hitler v.s. Stalin, I wish the Allies had killed both of those assholes and gotten rid of the Soviet Union and the Nazis. The world would have been peaceful until Vietnam and all would be well.

Ones racists, the other favours the stupid and lazy. My god, if these were the only 2 options left in the world, suicide would become the the 3rd. Hitler v.s. Stalin, I wish the Allies had killed both of those assholes and gotten rid of the Soviet Union and the Nazis. The world would have been peaceful until Vietnam and all would be well.

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both are terrible, but what's the difference?

nazi criminals have been punished after the war, but none of the communists were faced punishments! -only Ceausescu in Romania, but it wasn't by the international law like in Nürnberg...

only Ceausescu in Romania, but it wasn't by the international law like in Nürnberg... Ceausescu was actually a friend of the West due to his independent foreign policy.

Ceausescu was actually a friend of the West due to his independent foreign policy.

i'd rather say that he wasn't Moscow's favourite...
but he only was an example, almost the only punished example...

Nazism - I'd rather be stripped of all individuality (like in Communism) rather than force fed some racist Nazi garbage about who I am

Communism doesn't require loss of individuality unless you think owning factories is the only thing that defines you as an individual, in which case, you are denied individuality in capitalism as well.