NationStates Jolt Archive

is it me or do the rest of you guys feel like your voting for the lesser of two evils? it seams some people have the mentality of "Anybody but Bush!" But that just leads me and everyone elseto beleive that you dont like the cannidates that our running against him but your willing to settle for it. That bothers me. Last election i was soo torn between gore/bush i didnt vote. This time round i just dont want to vote for any of them because of kerry's flip flop and bushs post war irac problems. what should i do? should i vote independent just to vote? i cant be the only one who feels this way.

is it me or do the rest of you guys feel like your voting for the lesser of two evils? it seams some people have the mentality of "Anybody but Bush!" But that just leads me and everyone elseto beleive that you dont like the cannidates that our running against him but your willing to settle for it. That bothers me. Last election i was soo torn between gore/bush i didnt vote. This time round i just dont want to vote for any of them because of kerry's flip flop and bushs post war irac problems. what should i do? should i vote independent just to vote? i cant be the only one who feels this way.

I won't tell you how to vote, but I would recommend voting for a third party candidate. If you're conservative, vote American Independent Party or Constitution Party. If you're liberal, the Green Party and Democratic Socialists of America are good bets. If you believe government should just stay the (bleep!) out of peoples' personal lives, Libertarian's the way to go. Or, if you like Nader, he's an option, too.

I really don't understand the position on this. Personally I understand that the issues are much more complex than the news/campaign bites would have you believe. I for one would much rather support someone who is willing to change his mind (tells me he is listening to both sides of an argument) than someone who always sticks to plan even though it is shown to be flawed.

Please do some real research into the candidates before you finally make up your mind. I think this will provide you with better information as to what is going on. Make sure you look at what both sides are saying, follow links, and stay away from news organizations. Look instead at sites by the candidates and their supporters. Realize that no one out there is truly objective.

If you are like me, you will most likely come away scared to death! Take 10, remember to breathe, and you will start to realize (no matter what side you fall on) that this is the most important political election in memory. Don't waste your vote! EVERY VOTE COUNTS (at least, in theory).

Please note. I am not gonna throw links in here. I am very biased as to who I want to win, and I think you will get a better mix of what's out there by doing it on your own.

look if you are a conservative you are left out by president bush on many issues. thats not good. if you are a liberal it is much worse. kerry changes his positions on issues more often than most people change their socks. nader is an inexperienced environmentalist with a socialist running mate. so, the 'conservative' candidate is not a true conservative, the 'liberal' candidate is ashamed of being a liberal, and then you have environmentalist/ socialists. good luck america! my vote goes to bush though.....

ive been voting since...1976 and ive always voted for the lesser evil
in a 2 party system there are no perfect candidates.
to expect any candidate to be anything other than a politician, is to be fairly naive. after all politicians are less respected than used car salesmen, and who idealizes the guy who sold them a car?

This time round i just dont want to vote for any of them because of kerry's flip flop...Bush made that up. His website lists supposed Kerry flip flops and says which congressional bills he flip flopped on. I checked the bills and they didn't have anything to do with the issues he says Kerry was flip flopping on. It's not a good feeling to learn that you avoided voting for a candidate because you believed a lie from that candidate's opponent. Just think of the people who avoided voting for Gore because they thought he claimed to have invented the Internet

Finally, someone I can relate to!

I've got the same problem, and I don't much like any of the third party candidates either. I'd suggest moving to another country, but that's expensive. :D

I vote only on the issues and candidates I have an opinion on, and I vote no on anything I either don't understand or don't completely agree with. (If they don't take the time to make it understandable, it's probably a trick or just plain stupid.) The two mainstream parties are almost clones of one another these days and chosing Kerry simply to displace Bush is just as bad as voting for Bush simply because you're angry and blame the whole middle east for 9/11.

You're not obligated to vote, no matter how much pressure they put on you and how much they babble "if you didn't vote you've got no room to bitch" as I've been told so many times by people with microscopic brains. If you don't like the candidates follow the advice of a margially interesting movie called Brewster's Millions and vote "NONE OF THE ABOVE".

Write it in even. ;)

Disagree with your government, laugh at them when people say "love it or leave it" and vote or don't vote according to your conscience.

"If you find yourself in a situation where you must choose between the lesser of two evils, it is vitally important that you choose the lesser evil. If you don't vote, and the greater evil wins, then technically, you're pro-evil."

Adapted from Rick Mercer's comedy.

is kerry for or against the iraq war?
is he for or against funding it?
is he for or against partial birth abortion?
is he for or against a gasoline tax?
is he for or against tax cuts to stimulate growth?
is he for or against gay marriage?
THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS IS AT TIMES YES AND AT TIMES NO. that is called........flip.......flopping! also, AMERICA IS NOT A two PARTY SYSTEM !!!!! did the person who wrote that read the above??? is he/she aware that my congressman is an independent? does this person realize that by saying america has two parties he/she is off by 45..?

"The two mainstream parties are almost clones of one another these days and chosing Kerry simply to displace Bush is just as bad as voting for Bush simply because you're angry and blame the whole middle east for 9/11."

um no, the two main parties are very different in stance on many issues but it is true that mr. kerry always blurs these differences. and who would vote for bush because they blame 911 on the entire middle east? certainly not anyone that listens to what he has to say. truth is, we are at peace with the entire middle east exept the terrorists....... and voting for kerry because you dont like bush is interesting. many people are doing it. that shows how weak kerry is deep down. he offers nothing fresh or remotly interesting to me.

"The two mainstream parties are almost clones of one another these days

YES!!!! Finally, someone who agrees with me!

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/03-08-2004/republocrats.htm

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is kerry for or against the iraq war?
Now that leaving will only make things worse, he's for continuing it.
is he for or against funding it?
He's for funding it.
is he for or against partial birth abortion?
He's pro-choice.
is he for or against a gasoline tax?
He hasn't addressed that issue in years so I don't know if he wants them higher, lower, or to stay the same.
is he for or against tax cuts to stimulate growth?
Depends on the tax. He wants to raise some, lower others, and leave the rest the same.
is he for or against gay marriage?
He wants to leave the decision to the states, which is exactly the position he, Bush, and Cheney took in 2000. Kerry is the one who hasn't changed his mind since then. He is against gay marriage in Massachusetts.
THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS IS AT TIMES YES AND AT TIMES NO.
None of the questions were yes/no questions.

YES!!!! Finally, someone who agrees with me!

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/03-08-2004/republocrats.htm
All depends on your perspective. If you're at one of the many political extremes, then yeah, the two major parties seem like clones of each other. but in real terms, that's just not so.

Ask yourself this--if Gore had been declared the winner in 2000, do you relaly believe we'd be at war in Iraq right now? That the tax situation would so heavily favor the wealthiest 2% of the population? That social services would be slashed as dramatically as they have been under Bush? That environmental laws would have been rolled back and left unenforced the way they have been for the last 4 years?

If your answer to any of those questions is yes, then you're being dishonest with yourself. There are real and substantive difference between the two major parties, no matter how much extremists try to make it seem like there aren't.

Well - you can always vote Libertarian for Michael Badnarik - he'd definitely be a change of pace - you can find out all sorts of neat info about him (and all of the other candidates) at http://www.vote-smart.org...

Look at the "Issue Positions" section especially - some of Badnarik's responses will blow your mind. He wants to eliminate income tax pretty much entirely and "...all of the unconstitutional agencies that create the need for taxes in the first place". What he says about our troops in other countries? Heheh here's another quote... "THE UNITED STATES SHOULD BRING OUR MILITARY HOME FROM ALL FOREIGN COUNTRIES. NATIONS THAT WANT TO BUY OUR PROTECTION CAN PAY FOR IT." lots of other goodies - and he doesn't believe in the federal gov't regulating the internet either.

Something to think about, and a site to help you think with.

-Chief Public Servant (CPS) Joel of Feynmania

Incidentally, if you DO go to vote-smart.org, you'll find that BOTH Bush and Kerry refused to answer the National Political Awareness test.

Quote from the site:

"PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH REFUSED TO PROVIDE ANY
RESPONSES TO CITIZENS ON ISSUES THROUGH THE
NATIONAL POLITICAL AWARENESS TEST


PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH REFUSED TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION WHEN ASKED TO DO SO ON 23 SEPARATE OCCASIONS BY:

MSNBC
CBS News
Cox Newspapers
Knight Ridder
National Journal
MTV
New Hampshire Public Broadcasting
Tucson Citizen
St. Paul Pioneer Press
Portsmouth Herald
Nashua Telegraph
Iowa Public Radio
Ames Daily Tribune
Cedar Rapids Gazette
Iowa City Press
The State (SC)
WYY Philadelphia
San Jose Mercury News
Geraldine Ferraro, Former Democratic Congresswoman
Michael Dukakis, Fomer Democratic Congressman
Bill Frenzel, Former Republican Congressman
Jim Leach, Republican Congressman
Richard Kimball, Project Vote Smart President"

Pretty much the same for Kerry, too. I don't think the site is affiliated with any political party.

-C.P.S. Joel of Feynmania