NationStates Jolt Archive

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Console: Secret of Mana

Uh...I don't even want to try picking an overall best...

As far as online FPSs go, AA for sure. No questions.

Hmm...okay, then name a few of your favorites. It doesn't have to be just one.

Hmm...okay, then name a few of your favorites. It doesn't have to be just one.
I named one.

Super Metroid, closely followed by Metroid Prime and Perfect Dark. I'm a Nintendo Fan-Boy. :)

Halo: Combat Evolved

Best game ever easily, and if you wait until Nov. 9th it will be Halo 2

Hard to choose.
RPG: Final Fantasy VI
FPS: I loved Half Life.

Uh...I don't even want to try picking an overall best...

As far as online FPSs go, AA for sure. No questions.
Allied Assualt? I prefer a good Battlefield 1942 over that any day.

Allied Assualt? I prefer a good Battlefield 1942 over that any day.I think he ment America's Army.

Halo: Combat Evolved

Best game ever easily, and if you wait until Nov. 9th it will be Halo 2
That's not the best game ever. It is a complete 100% rip from Tribes, which was a great game, but either way, FPS is clearly a PC version.


And the abrev. for Allied Assualt is MoHAA. AA is the abrev. for America's Army (http://www.americasarmy.com)

RPG: Fallout/Fallout2
FPS: Science and Industry
RTS: Europa Universalis 2

I think he ment America's Army.
Ah. Well, I still prefer BF1942, though I do like America's Army every now and then.

I think he ment America's Army.
Ah. Someone with some gaming class...

How about favorite category of games? (RPG, Action, Shooter, etc.)

Super Mario 3 On The Nes!

Counter-Strike if you don't mind immaturity of others.
Hearts of Iron if you like NS in *KINDA* WW2 style

Goldeneye, anyone?

Super Mario 3 On The Nes!

Now THERE'S a guy with good taste!

Goldeneye, anyone?

There's a fun one. :)

Super Mario 3 was my favorite NES game. Ah, the memories.

Oh, this is a tough one. Almost all of the Mario series, Eternal Darkness, Sanity's Requiem, the Final Fantasy Series (particularly V)...
Super Mario 3 was actually a really good one...

Manic Minor is te best game ever. So many C64 games beat todays titles hands down.

not sure about my favorite

but super mario 2 was totally CRAZY

Oh, this is a tough one. Almost all of the Mario series, Eternal Darkness, Sanity's Requiem, the Final Fantasy Series (particularly V)...
Super Mario 3 was actually a really good one...

Final Fantasy V, eh? That's one of the very few I haven't played. Personally, I like IV the best, followed very closely by VII tied with IX.

You know what game I really miss, that I haven't played in over 12 years? Contra. Now THERE was a fun game. Ahhh, the old days...

not sure about my favorite

but super mario 2 was totally CRAZY
My favorite Mario game is Super Mario World but yeah Mario brothers 2 was a sublime drug-induced masterpiece.

europa was cool, but
RTS is going to have to go to Starcraft Brood wars (PC)or Ogre Battles (snes)
Mass Slaughter FPS has to go to Halo (Xbox) or Doom 2 (PC, hey dooms a classic that started it)
Tactical FPS is going to Rainbow 6:3 Ravenshield (PC)
and final fantasy tactics(PS1) goes in there somewhere
FF7 and secret of mana are sweet too. O yea guys not too many people have me beaten on the nerd level :)

My favorite Mario game is Super Mario World but yeah Mario brothers 2 was a sublime drug-induced masterpiece.

Super Mario World has greatness written all over it...

Super Mario World
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 2
Super Mario 3
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Perfect Dark
Golden Eye
SSX
SSX 3
Warcraft III
Starcraft


All time favorites.

europa was cool, but
RTS is going to have to go to Starcraft Brood wars (PC)or Ogre Battles (snes)
Mass Slaughter FPS has to go to Halo (Xbox) or Doom 2 (PC, hey dooms a classic that started it)
Tactical FPS is going to Rainbow 6:3 Ravenshield (PC)
and final fantasy tactics(PS1) goes in there somewhere
FF7 and secret of mana are sweet too. O yea guys not too many people have me beaten on the nerd level :)
You can not give an FPS to a console game, sorry.
(BF: Vietnam or 1942...just sheer brilliance)

Super Smash Bros. Melee wasn't the best game ever but it certainly was one of the most addicting.

WARCRAFT! Forgot about that one, and it has to be one of my all-time favourites. Particularly Warcraft II, I haven't even played III yet. I still hang out on Battle.net occasionally to this day. What an awesome game.

RPG-FF10
FPS-AA/Halo
RTS-AOE
Sports-Madden Series/Tony Hawk Series

WARCRAFT! Forgot about that one, and it has to be one of my all-time favourites. Particularly Warcraft II, I haven't even played III yet. I still hang out on Battle.net occasionally to this day. What an awesome game.

I battle.net for StarCraft, I lost my WCII CD key so yeah.

Super Mario World
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 2
Super Mario 3
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Perfect Dark
Golden Eye
SSX
SSX 3
Warcraft III
Starcraft


All time favorites.

I agree that they're all great except Warcraft III, Perfect Dark, SSX, and SSX, because I've never played those. What is SSX, by the way?

You can not give an FPS to a console game, sorry.

You can't? Why not?

I'm going to say Halo: Combat Evolved (XBox) as the FPS. The perfect blend of superb multiplayer, mass carnage, vehicular brutality, and graphics make it my number one! Nothing like smashing your opponents against a cliff wall in Blood Gulch with the Warthog, or getting a killtacular in Derelict with a good old SPNKr!

Super Smash Bros. Melee wasn't the best game ever but it certainly was one of the most addicting.

Agreed. It's more addicting than caffeine!

You can't? Why not?

I'm going to say Halo: Combat Evolved (XBox) as the FPS. The perfect blend of superb multiplayer, mass carnage, vehicular brutality, and graphics make it my number one! Nothing like smashing your opponents against a cliff wall in Blood Gulch with the Warthog, or getting a killtacular in Derelict with the Rocket Launcher.
Controls. Nothing beats a keyboard and a mouse, and having played Halo, I can say that using that controller is hell for an FPS.

I don't know why they bother making FPS's for consoles.

Controls. Nothing beats a keyboard and a mouse, and having played Halo, I can say that using that controller is hell for an FPS.

So it's based on matter of preference of controls?

Red Faction!

So it's based on matter of preference of controls?
No, there is no contest. Try it one time, using a controller for an FPS is like smashing your head against a brick wall.

I don't know why they bother making FPS's for consoles.

Well in the case of the XBox, Halo probably kept it alive long enough to survive the release dates of some other games. The real answer is money of course, and it worked with the XBox and Halo.

yea controls do are a little slower then mouse and keyboard. but halo is a social game. you hook up a few xboxs and you have 8 people playing and screaming at each other and its all friends. sure playing over the internet can be sweet but throwing a plasma grenade on your best friends head and watching it stick and he cant do anything about it. cant beat it. i have both halos because i thought halo over the internet would be sweet. but halo pc sucked and lagged.

I agree that they're all great except Warcraft III, Perfect Dark, SSX, and SSX, because I've never played those. What is SSX, by the way?

Warcraft III is basically the same as the rest of the Blizzard games. Perfect Dark is basically a more futuristic, more updated, and in general better performing, with more options etc. of Goldeneye. SSX is a snowboarding series, that is one of those unrealistic arcade style games.

yea controls do are a little slower then mouse and keyboard. but halo is a social game. you hook up a few xboxs and you have 8 people playing and screaming at each other and its all friends. sure playing over the internet can be sweet but throwing a plasma grenade on your best friends head and watching it stick and he cant do anything about it. cant beat it. i have both halos because i thought halo over the internet would be sweet. but halo pc sucked and lagged.
LAN parties, and enjoy broadband.

No, there is no contest. Try it one time, using a controller for an FPS is like smashing your head against a brick wall.

... I have. I didn't like the keyboard/mouse thing at all.

... I have. I didn't like the keyboard/mouse thing at all.
Almost everyone else disagrees.

Halo: Combat Evolved

Best game ever easily, and if you wait until Nov. 9th it will be Halo 2

I agree completely!!!

Controls. Nothing beats a keyboard and a mouse, and having played Halo, I can say that using that controller is hell for an FPS.
It depends on what you can handle. I certainly prefer PC FPS games (Quake, Doom, Hexen... Yay!), but I don't discount ones on console; even so, I can safely say about the only good console FPS game was Halo. But it's kinda hard to snipe without mouse (plus, it's mainly meant to be up-close combat ACTION ACTION TIME!!! Game, which aren't as fun sometimes. Go campers!), so my favourite can't be Halo. At this moment, I'd have to say Quake III simply because it's the most recent and it's soooo easy to knock someone off far away with railgun.

My favorite is mechassault on Xbox live. The single player game was lame, but the online version kicks ass.

For all the Halo-ites out there...here is why Halo is not the best game ever in one word:

TRIBES

Heard of it? No? I thought not...
It came out probably about 4-5 years before XBox and Halo. Halo is just like it except with graphics that are about 4-5 years better. (Of course, when Tribes was new, it had cutting edge, top of the line graphics too.) The thing is...when Tribes came out, there wasn't a game anything like it before, which is what makes Tribes just about a billion times better than Halo. Also, not counting Tribes, Halo still isn't very unique. Ever heard of Unreal Tournament? I don't know which came first between UT and Halo, but the games are pretty similiar (except UT is lacking as far a vehicles go I think).

yea controls do are a little slower then mouse and keyboard. but halo is a social game. you hook up a few xboxs and you have 8 people playing and screaming at each other and its all friends. sure playing over the internet can be sweet but throwing a plasma grenade on your best friends head and watching it stick and he cant do anything about it. cant beat it. i have both halos because i thought halo over the internet would be sweet. but halo pc sucked and lagged.
Sooo... You can have a social experience, or you can go and play a fun game instead...

FPS: CoD, it's awesome.
RTS: Homeworld 2, AoM
ADV: The Longest Journey. If you don't have it, I feel sorry for you.
RPG: KotOR, NWN. Both are great, I'm playing NWN mostly right now.

About the controller debate - I cannot stand how slow and imprecise the Xbox (or any) console controller is. It's just so frustrating that it takes away from my enjoyment of any game I try to play on a console significantly. Mouse + Keyboard > controller.

For all the Halo-ites out there...here is why Halo is not the best game ever in one word:

TRIBES

Heard of it? No? I thought not...
It came out probably about 4-5 years before XBox and Halo. Halo is just like it except with graphics that are about 4-5 years better. (Of course, when Tribes was new, it had cutting edge, top of the line graphics too.) The thing is...when Tribes came out, there wasn't a game anything like it before, which is what makes Tribes just about a billion times better than Halo. Also, not counting Tribes, Halo still isn't very unique. Ever heard of Unreal Tournament? I don't know which came first between UT and Halo, but the games are pretty similiar (except UT is lacking as far a vehicles go I think).
ARRRGH! NO! NO! NO! "VERY UNIQUE!?" NO! LEARN GRAMMAR!

FPS: CoD, it's awesome.
RTS: Homeworld 2, AoM
ADV: The Longest Journey. If you don't have it, I feel sorry for you.
RPG: KotOR, NWN. Both are great, I'm playing NWN mostly right now.

About the controller debate - I cannot stand how slow and imprecise the Xbox (or any) console controller is. It's just so frustrating that it takes away from my enjoyment of any game I try to play on a console significantly. Mouse + Keyboard > controller.
NWN is an excellent choice. There are essentially no limits to that game. I'd play it more if I were more into RPGs. I just don't like not being able to find good servers etc. So when I'm in the RPG mood, I just go play Runescape because it's decent enough and free...kind of like my favorite FPS--America's Army (http://www.americasarmy.com)(Except AA is far beyond "decent enough")

ARRRGH! NO! NO! NO! "VERY UNIQUE!?" NO! LEARN GRAMMAR!
...I'd like you to explain your outrage and then explain why you placed the "!?" inside the quote, as it is obviously not part of the quote...

...I'd like you to explain your outrage and then explain why you placed the "!?" inside the quote, as it is obviously not part of the quote...
Idiot, punctuation always goes inside the quote, regardless. You can't say "very unique"!?
That's wrong.

Furthermore, my outrage is related to the obvious fact that Unique is a superlative, meaning only a few adverbs can be strung onto it. You could say Almost Unique, or Very Creative... But think about it... "Very One of a Kind?" How can something be "Very One of a Kind?"

Super Metroid, closely followed by Metroid Prime and Perfect Dark. I'm a Nintendo Fan-Boy. :)

Me too. Throw in Super Mario Bros. (The original) and Pong and you got my list.

Idiot, punctuation always goes inside the quote, regardless. You can't say "very unique"!?
That's wrong.

Furthermore, my outrage is related to the obvious fact that Unique is a superlative, meaning only a few adverbs can be strung onto it. You could say Almost Unique, or Very Creative... But think about it... "Very One of a Kind?" How can something be "Very One of a Kind?"
Not if you are doing a word for word quote of what someone was saying. It would be "very unique"?!?!

I'm surprised no one's mentioned TETRIS yet. You'd think there were no old-school gamers left.

As far as my personal favorites go, Planescape: Torment > You.

I've also got a probably unhealthy addiction to the Front Mission series and Nethack (and Angband, while we're at it), and am starting to develop this thing about really digging Crimson Skies.

The SimCity series has never done me wrong either.

Can't say I'm much for FPSes actually, so I'll abstain there.

Not if you are doing a word for word quote of what someone was saying. It would be "very unique"?!?!
Thank you.

In fact, the only time punctuation goes in side the quote is when it is part of the quote.

The SimCity series has never done me wrong either.
SC2k was definitely the pinnacle of that series...

I'm surprised no one's mentioned TETRIS yet. You'd think there were no old-school gamers left.

As far as my personal favorites go, Planescape: Torment > You.

I've also got a probably unhealthy addiction to the Front Mission series and Nethack (and Angband, while we're at it), and am starting to develop this thing about really digging Crimson Skies.

The SimCity series has never done me wrong either.

Can't say I'm much for FPSes actually, so I'll abstain there.
Sorry, I'm forgetting a lot here.

SimCity's cool, Tetris is cool... I have to wait for people to say more to think of more.

I'm not technically "old school," but I play mostly Old School games because most of them are so much better.

Thank you.

In fact, the only time punctuation goes in side the quote is when it is part of the quote.
Nah, I don't think that's true. I've NEVER heard that's right. I just asked someone who's usually reliable with grammar, and he concurs.

Furthermore, you're in the US, which tends to have terrible language skills; I was raised in a family that was intolerant of poor grammar. There's a big difference, and I'd think I'd be the one who'd know more.

O' course, ya never know.

Nah, I don't think that's true. I've NEVER heard that's right. I just asked someone who's usually reliable with grammar, and he concurs.

Furthermore, you're in the US, which tends to have terrible language skills; I was raised in a family that was intolerant of poor grammar. There's a big difference, and I'd think I'd be the one who'd know more.

O' course, ya never know.
Thanks for the flame.

Thanks for the flame.
<--Grammar Gestapo. Deal with it.

Is this flaming? I don't think I've ever heard an actual (or at the very least, concise) definition of flaming. I apologize, regardless, but I'm just trying to make a point here that I believe is right.

I'm intolerant of poor grammar, but I do not apologize for that. Just because people do it doesn't make it right.

<--Grammar Gestapo. Deal with it.

Is this flaming? I don't think I've ever heard an actual (or at the very least, concise) definition of flaming. I apologize, regardless, but I'm just trying to make a point here that I believe is right.

I'm intolerant of poor grammar, but I do not apologize for that. Just because people do it doesn't make it right.
I'm not even talking about the grammar. I criticize people's grammar too. I'm talking about your idiotic arrogance.

Furthermore, you're in the US, which tends to have terrible language skills; I was raised in a family that was intolerant of poor grammar. There's a big difference, and I'd think I'd be the one who'd know more.

While not necessarily a direct attack on me, or a direct self-promotion of your own intelligence, you assume that because you grew up "in a family that was intolerant of poor grammar" and in England (I assume) you automatically are the all-knowing source on grammar rules.

Jet Force Gemini for N64

Online: Starcraft, Final Fantasy XI, Warcraft II and III, Diablo II (starcraft, warcraft, and diablo are all from Blizzard...yes, they're the best!) and Counter-Strike

Console: Halo, Super Mario RPG (SNES), Final Fantasy 7 and 9 and Tactics

AAACK! I forgot something! Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

Super Mario All Stars,a collection of the best

Final Fantasy I-X, wonder when they will make a Final Fantasy Collection's editon :)

Ultima Online, best and still the best mmorpg that exist, on RP freeshards that is.

Red Alert Retalation on PSX :) never had so fun crushing or getting crushed by my friends.

Transport Tycoon(PC)/Global Evolution(PSX), Train's anyone?

Ports of call, is there any other game like this anymore?

Tetris, Simple game but still so addictive

Half-Life, Fear me I got a crowbar!

Starcraft has definitely stood the test of time for me.. But more recently Battlefield Vietnam seems to distract me the most from more important things :P

Console games.. Most definitely almost anything in the Mario, Kirby and Final Fantasy series. Newer games are fun, but they dont have that.. I dunno, that level of general fun the classics do.

Cant believe I forgot to mention C&C...sheesh.

Arcade/arcade style: "X-Men: Children of the Atom"

Strategy: "Starcraft"

RPG: "Fallout 2"

This has to be based on my severe lack of gaming skills. (And the fact that I've only ever owned the 8-bit NES and a computer) :D

Super Mario 2 + 3, Tetris, Dr. Mario (tetris variant)

Sim City 2k, and 4 (I like the road stuff in 4)

And then there was Duck Hunt, sheerly for the novelty of being able to interact with the TV. That was amazing ;)

The most addicting game for me has to be minesweeper. 200 mines at the max dimensions. I've only beaten it once! :p

Personally, I'd say Harvester.

hands down. Of course, this is only my opinion, and I am I psych student.

What other game out there predicted that children being desensitized to violence and gore in video games would eventually be blamed for serial killings and mass-murders . . . back in 1996?

Actually, what other game out there's sole purpose was to try and see if they could desensitize people to the point where they'd just simply want to kill people at random?

I'm surprised no one's mentioned TETRIS yet. You'd think there were no old-school gamers left.

As far as my personal favorites go, Planescape: Torment > You.

I've also got a probably unhealthy addiction to the Front Mission series and Nethack (and Angband, while we're at it), and am starting to develop this thing about really digging Crimson Skies.

The SimCity series has never done me wrong either.

Can't say I'm much for FPSes actually, so I'll abstain there.
You have my personal respect for mentioning Planescape:Torment. That had to be one of the most awesome games I have ever played. But along the lines of a RTS, I don't think anyone mentioned any of the C&C games. Why is that? They fall under my favorite RTS's. But my all time favorite game, is a game I can't even remember the name of. It's a game for the SNES. You play as a gold colored robot thing, and you go around through the game and it has the most awesome music and it's just good fun.

Age of Mythology is definatly the best Real time stategy out there.

but im looking forward to battle for middle earth, and rome: total war

If anyone can think of the name of game that I was describing I would be eternally gratefull.

Of course no doubt the Legends of Zelda series!

War: Sudden strike II
RTS: CnC
Turn Based: Fuck those games
Action: LAPD Special Weapons and Tatics(Also the best job)

Another kickin' game...LAPD:Future Cop. That game rocked so much. I loved the whole mode where you could build the choppers and tanks, capture the turrets, then blow Sky Captain to pieces.

FPS: Thief 2 / Wheel of Time / Descent series / Jedi Knight series
Adventure: The Longest Journey / any Monkey Island game
RPG: Planescape Torment / Knights of the Old Republic / Xenogears (only console game i really like)
Online: Everquest / Diablo2
RTS: Total Annihilation / Starcraft / Warcraft3
TBS (turn base strategy): Age of Wonders series / Disciples series
Sports: all sports games must die. though Hyperblade was pretty cool
Console: all consoles must die

If anyone can think of the name of game that I was describing I would be eternally gratefull.


metroid?

oh, and then there's Civilization 3: conquests... that game is awesome

Nope, that wasn't it. It never did spawn any sequels or anything, just one of those fun games you find at a video store on the corner that no one's ever heard of.

Of course no doubt the Legends of Zelda series!

As there have been slight disappointments in the series, mainly Majora's Mask... I'd have to agree with you there. I've been playing the original 8-bit on my little brothers SP and I just can't stop.

Has anyone seen the movie for the new Zelda game? The graphics are so pretty. Link can parry now, and there's horseback sword fighting. *Insert Homer Simpson drool here*

Oh yeah, and Pong is rad.

Resident Evil Code Veronica X

Resident Evil Outbreak

Resident Evil 1

Resident Evil 2

Resident Evil 3

Resident Evil director's cut

Resident Evil 0




PC:
Starcraft

Hearts of Iron

Panzer General 2

Europa Universalis

Medieval Total War

I have to agree with you on the Resident Evil games. My first playstation game was Resident Evil: Directors Cut. There were a few dissapointments in the series. Survivor was horrible, just horrible, and Outbreak. Outbreak was a great idea, and it was fun. But it's only problem was the ANNOYING comments made every thirty seconds by the other two people in single player mode.

Oh, this is a tough one. Almost all of the Mario series, Eternal Darkness, Sanity's Requiem, the Final Fantasy Series (particularly V)...
Super Mario 3 was actually a really good one...

A person with my tastes! (Especially regarding Eternal Darkness. Now just add Chrono Trigger, Star Ocean 2, and the Metroid series.

PC:

Command & Conquer series
Neverwinter Nights
Battlefield 1942-Vietnam
CounterStrike (to some extent)
RTCW Enemy Territory


PS2:

Metal Gear Solid series
Onimusha series
Samurai Warriors
Soul Calibur II
Tekken series
Final Fantasy series
SOCOM II: US Navy SEALS
Grand Theft Auto series

PC:

Command & Conquer series
Neverwinter Nights
Battlefield 1942-Vietnam
CounterStrike (to some extent)
RTCW Enemy Territory


PS2:

Metal Gear Solid series
Onimusha series
Samurai Warriors
Soul Calibur II
Tekken series
Final Fantasy series
SOCOM II: US Navy SEALS
Grand Theft Auto series

Okay, you're cool for a few reasons, you mentioned the C&C series, you mentioned the Tekken series, and your name is Noir. My cat's name is Noir. Awesome.

The one and only best game ever is Sid Meiers Civilization.

No game has ever taken more of my time, been more addictive, been more frustrating and so on..

The one and only best game ever is Sid Meiers Civilization.

No game has ever taken more of my time, been more addictive, been more frustrating and so on..
Ooh I forgot about Civilisation and Settlers!

The one and only best game ever is Sid Meiers Civilization.

No game has ever taken more of my time, been more addictive, been more frustrating and so on..

Bah, Hearts of Iron, Europa Universalis (II), and Victoria crush Civilization

Okay here I go:

Half Life:
Simply because it was so revolutionary - I remember my brother bringing the game home (and hiding it under his jacket because my mum had stipulated that we were not allowed to buy any more computer games until Christmas). And when you first got out of the monorail and the guards, actually SPOKE TO YOU!!! Wow! For a first time in an FPS, you could actually relate in someway to the characters.

Deus Ex:
An adventure of massive proportions - A game that actually made you think, not only about the game, but about the World itself, its chillingly accurate Sentient AI's which roam the electronic world looking for suspected terrorists is something that the US Homeland Security Department and CIA are attempting to do at the moment, though with little success. Brilliant game.

Others include:
- Baldurs Gate II
- Thief I/II/III
- System Shock
- KOTOR

PC:

Command & Conquer series
Neverwinter Nights
Battlefield 1942-Vietnam
CounterStrike (to some extent)
RTCW Enemy Territory


PS2:

Metal Gear Solid series
Onimusha series
Samurai Warriors
Soul Calibur II
Tekken series
Final Fantasy series
SOCOM II: US Navy SEALS
Grand Theft Auto series

yay for MGS ^_^

yay for MGS ^_^


*krrrhmm* Metal Gear and Metal Gear Snake's Revenge

Half-Life, Baldur's Gate II, Halo, Freedom Fighters, Morrowind, Tekken/Virtua Fighters Series, Counter-Strike (yay!), The Madden Series, ESPN Basketball Series, GTA Vice City (oh so bloody...)

I like ur idea Noir. C&C games own all, the metal gear series and the GTA series are the best games eva in which i cant w8 for MGS3 which apparently for us aussies comes out March (get it right) :sniper:

Elite II: Fontier by David Braben is easily the best game even concieved by the human race.

Ever.

No doubt about it.

PC:

Command & Conquer series
Neverwinter Nights
Battlefield 1942-Vietnam
CounterStrike (to some extent)
RTCW Enemy Territory


PS2:

Metal Gear Solid series
Onimusha series
Samurai Warriors
Soul Calibur II
Tekken series
Final Fantasy series
SOCOM II: US Navy SEALS
Grand Theft Auto series


Forgot a few

PS2:

Xenosaga series
NFS Underground (mostly for the cars & graphics)
Gran Tourismo series (also for the cars & graphics)


N64:

Perfect Dark (classic FPS)
Super Smash Bros. (not really fond of the GC version)


PC:

Civilization series (thanks to the person who mentioned Civ.)
Sim City 3000
Age of Empires II

Best Game Ever: Colonization (get it abandonware & give it a go if you haven't tried). Civ was great, but give me the micromanagement of Colonization any day :)

Runners up:
FPS: Thief / Delta Force / Goldeneye
RTS: Warcraft II / Starcraft
RPG: Baldur's Gate I / II (I cannot believe people prefer Neverwinter Nights!)
Fighting: Street Fighter
Space Exploration: Privateer
Platformer: Super Mario 3

Online: Dark Age Of Camelot. Somehow I think it really sucks, but I keept on playing it for 2 years and often several hours a day... Other onlinegames doesn't suck as bad but aren't as fun to play.

Offline: FFVII. Best story of a game ever. Don't feel so forced to go that way even if you really are. GFX can be complained about now, but it wasn't that bad when it came out.

Online: Nationstates

PC: Operation Flashpoint

Console: WWF Raw

Arcade: Vendetta

Elite II: Fontier by David Braben is easily the best game even concieved by the human race.

Ever.

No doubt about it.

It had no real plot and got boring fairly soon. Though it was good, it wasn't the best ever.

That's not the best game ever. It is a complete 100% rip from Tribes, which was a great game, but either way, FPS is clearly a PC version.


And the abrev. for Allied Assualt is MoHAA. AA is the abrev. for America's Army (http://www.americasarmy.com)

Halo wasnt a total rip, and it was many times better than Tribes anyways.

Halo is god, hands down. Until Nov.9, when there will be a new one.

best game ever?

Street fighter II turbo for the SNES!

Halo wasnt a total rip, and it was many times better than Tribes anyways.

Halo is god, hands down. Until Nov.9, when there will be a new one.

Half-Life, Aliens vs Predator and System Shock 2 are much better games, all made a few years before Halo.

Well of course Final Fantasy 7 is the best RPG. C'mon Square is putting out a movie for it. adventchildren.net (http://www.adventchildren.net) :gundge:

I personally can't wait for Metroid Prime 2:Echoes to come out. It shall blow Halo 2 out of the proverbial water. *drools while watching footage of Dark Beam in action*

Halo wasnt a total rip, and it was many times better than Tribes anyways.

Halo is god, hands down. Until Nov.9, when there will be a new one.
Answer the following questions:
(Note, question two may not be answerable if you answered "Yes" to question one)

1. Have you played Tribes?

2. How is Halo not a total rip of tribes?

Answer the following questions:
(Note, question two may not be answerable if you answered "Yes" to question one)

1. Have you played Tribes?

2. How is Halo not a total rip of tribes?

I can answer no.2!

Halo was crap, and the original Tribes i still play to this day.

Super Mario 3 On the SNES.
Followed By ELite Force 2.
DOOMIII is going to blow HALO 2 Away.

That's not so hard. I'd say KOTOR as far as RPGs go and for strategy games which are my favorite I'd say Final Fantasy Tactics.

I can answer no.2!

Halo was crap, and the original Tribes i still play to this day.
Heh.

Colonization was a good game! Of course... You know... Rome: Total War shall dominate all other strategy games for the next millennia.

Anybody here ever play "Oni"? Fucking awesomE!

Anybody here ever play "Oni"? Fucking awesomE!

Played a demo a couple of years ago. It wasn't bad.

Colonization was a good game! Of course... You know... Rome: Total War shall dominate all other strategy games for the next millennia.
Yes, it will. I've been looking at it for about a year and half. The waiting's killing me. :)

Some games I forgot previously:
C&C
Civilization
Medieval TW
Full Throttle
Freespace 2

Ninty fan boy here... :)

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time (Still havn't finished it)

Super Mario Bros 3

Medival Total War

Goldoneye

Perfect Dark

F-Zero GX

GTA

Halo



Also is Rome Total war out? I havn't seen it in the shops. (In the UK)

Played a demo a couple of years ago. It wasn't bad.

You MUST get the full version!!! :D

You MUST get the full version!!! :D

I'll check out local bargain bins :) I doubt i'll find it on shelves :(

In no particular order:

* Elite (the original, NOT Frontier; man, was that ever a big fat disappointment)
* Pirates! (Sid Meier's Pirates! -- a new version -- is coming out this year! I'm so excited!)
* TIE Fighter
* Master of Orion II
* Civilisation II
* Populous
* Silent Service
* Tiger Woods PGA 2004 -- strangely absorbing, and goes well with a spliff
* Halo
* Sensible World of Soccer
* Fallout and Fallout II
* The Empire Strikes Back arcade unit
* Gauntlet and Gauntlet II ("Blue Elf, is about to die") arcade units
* Stargate Defender arcade unit
* Asteroids arcade unit

I'm not even talking about the grammar. I criticize people's grammar too. I'm talking about your idiotic arrogance.



While not necessarily a direct attack on me, or a direct self-promotion of your own intelligence, you assume that because you grew up "in a family that was intolerant of poor grammar" and in England (I assume) you automatically are the all-knowing source on grammar rules.
Not England, unfortunately; I live in Canada which, due to the fact that we mostly watch American television, has grammar that is almost as bad as the US. I do not enjoy that, and I've been trying to get people to speak real English for quite some time; usually, it fails because "good grammar isn't important" and that kind of retarded thing.

I am not the all-knowing source on grammar rules. I do believe I know quite a bit, but I do not know everything. Even so, I'm fairly certain that what I've been saying is true. I admit, I'm not entirely sure about punctuation in quotations, but from what I'VE heard, you're ALWAYS to have punctuation inside the quotations.

Above all, though, don't use adverbs on superlatives. I hate it when people do that.

On a different note, I know I am incredibly arrogant, but I would not consider it idiotic as you put it. See, there's a reason for everything, and there's a reason for why I'm arrogant. I DO believe I'm smarter than most people, honestly; not because "it's obvious" or anything like that, but I have constantly been surrounded by idiocy for most of my life. I recognize I am above it; it may sound wrong, but it's true. I recognize I am not above all, as well, but there are some times when people should learn.

Technically, you could consider any critic arrogant. That doesn't make them idiotic, though. Do you claim to be idiotic?

Not England, unfortunately; I live in Canada which, due to the fact that we mostly watch American television, has grammar that is almost as bad as the US. I do not enjoy that, and I've been trying to get people to speak real English for quite some time; usually, it fails because "good grammar isn't important" and that kind of retarded thing.

I am not the all-knowing source on grammar rules. I do believe I know quite a bit, but I do not know everything. Even so, I'm fairly certain that what I've been saying is true. I admit, I'm not entirely sure about punctuation in quotations, but from what I'VE heard, you're ALWAYS to have punctuation inside the quotations.

Above all, though, don't use adverbs on superlatives. I hate it when people do that.

On a different note, I know I am incredibly arrogant, but I would not consider it idiotic as you put it. See, there's a reason for everything, and there's a reason for why I'm arrogant. I DO believe I'm smarter than most people, honestly; not because "it's obvious" or anything like that, but I have constantly been surrounded by idiocy for most of my life. I recognize I am above it; it may sound wrong, but it's true. I recognize I am not above all, as well, but there are some times when people should learn.

Technically, you could consider any critic arrogant. That doesn't make them idiotic, though. Do you claim to be idiotic?


I KNOW HOW U B/C IM PRATY MUCH IN TEH SMA SITUATION AS FAR AS FELNG SMARTER THAN MOST OF TEH PAOPLE TAHT R AROUND U HOWEVER TEH INT3RN3T IS A MUCH DIFAR3NT ANVIRONMENT!!11!!11 WTF LOL ITS FUL OF P3OPL3 OF AL INT3LIEGNCES11!1! OMG WTF LOL DONT ASUME TAHT B/C U R TEH CANADIAN GRMMAR CHMPION U CAN AU2MATICALY ASUMA TAHT UR ALWAYS RIGHT1!!11!1 WTF IF UR SO CONFIEDNT ABOUT THIS RUL3 ABOUT PUNCTUATION BNG INSIED QUOTATION MARKS 10% OF TEH TIEM LINK M3 2 A W3BSIET TAHT STAETS THIS RUL3!11!! WTF LOL WHIEL U LOK I WIL LOK FOR A W3BSIET TAHT BAKS MAH ARGUMENT!!!!11 WTF LOL (AND TAHTS NOT TEH M3NTION DA FACT TAHT IT IS 2V1 WIT ME HAVNG TEH ADVANTAEG.ONE!!!!111!!1!111!! OMG LOL OTHER PERSON MANTIONED H3 THOUGHT WUT I WAS SAYNG WAS CORACT)1!1!!1 OMG LOL

Found at http://www.grammarbook.com/default.htm
(Click "Punctuation" and select quotation marks from the drop down tab.)

QUOTATION MARKS

Rule 1. Periods and commas always go inside quotation marks, even inside single quotes.

Examples The sign changed from "Walk," to "Don’t Walk," to "Walk" again within 30 seconds.
She said, "Hurry up."
She said, "He said, ‘Hurry up.’"

Rule 2. The placement of question marks with quotes follows logic. If a question is in quotation marks, the question mark should be placed inside the quote.

Examples She asked, "Will you still be my friend?"

Do you agree with the saying, "All’s fair in love and war"?
Here the question is outside the quote.

NOTE: Only one ending punctuation mark is used with quotation marks. Also, the stronger punctuation mark wins. Therefore, no period after war is used.

Rule 3. When you have a question outside AND inside a quote, use only one question mark and place it inside the quotation mark.

Example Did she say, "May I go?"

Rule 4. Use single quotation marks for quotes within quotes. Note that the period goes inside all quote marks.

Example He said, "Mary said, ‘Do not treat me that way.’"

Rule 5. Use quotation marks to set off a direct quotation only.

Examples "When will you be here?" he asked.
He asked when you will be there.

I KNOW HOW U B/C IM PRATY MUCH IN TEH SMA SITUATION AS FAR AS FELNG SMARTER THAN MOST OF TEH PAOPLE TAHT R AROUND U HOWEVER TEH INT3RN3T IS A MUCH DIFAR3NT ANVIRONMENT!!11!!11 WTF LOL ITS FUL OF P3OPL3 OF AL INT3LIEGNCES11!1! OMG WTF LOL DONT ASUME TAHT B/C U R TEH CANADIAN GRMMAR CHMPION U CAN AU2MATICALY ASUMA TAHT UR ALWAYS RIGHT1!!11!1 WTF IF UR SO CONFIEDNT ABOUT THIS RUL3 ABOUT PUNCTUATION BNG INSIED QUOTATION MARKS 10% OF TEH TIEM LINK M3 2 A W3BSIET TAHT STAETS THIS RUL3!11!! WTF LOL WHIEL U LOK I WIL LOK FOR A W3BSIET TAHT BAKS MAH ARGUMENT!!!!11 WTF LOL (AND TAHTS NOT TEH M3NTION DA FACT TAHT IT IS 2V1 WIT ME HAVNG TEH ADVANTAEG.ONE!!!!111!!1!111!! OMG LOL OTHER PERSON MANTIONED H3 THOUGHT WUT I WAS SAYNG WAS CORACT)1!1!!1 OMG LOL
*falls off of his chair and rolls on the floor laughing*

*falls off of his chair and rolls on the floor laughing*
All thanks to http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html

Found at http://www.grammarbook.com/default.htm
(Click "Punctuation" and select quotation marks from the drop down tab.)
Well, I'll be damned. I apologize.

Then again, you have to consider the reliability of the article... And I don't feel like it right now. I might do some research on this later. Ah well.

Well, I'll be damned. I apologize.

Then again, you have to consider the reliability of the article... And I don't feel like it right now. I might do some research on this later. Ah well.
Actually...considering this is the website for a published book on grammar rules...and the awards tab is pretty impressive looking, I'd have to say that this website could be a pretty reliable one. I've seen college kids toting this book around, so...yea...

But then again I'm American, and we apparantly don't know our grammar rules from our left nut...

Well, I'll be damned. I apologize.

Then again, you have to consider the reliability of the article... And I don't feel like it right now. I might do some research on this later. Ah well.
After magically becoming willing to work, I decided to look at the website. It's correct in terms of American grammar, but that's American, and I'm not. Therefore, I do not have to submit to your sickening rules of torment. I'll ask someone who knows about Canadian English, who is my primary source.

Sickening rules of torment = joke. I've had a lot of trouble in the past that way...

In other news...
I KNOW HOW U B/C IM PRATY MUCH IN TEH SMA SITUATION AS FAR AS FELNG SMARTER THAN MOST OF TEH PAOPLE TAHT R AROUND U HOWEVER TEH INT3RN3T IS A MUCH DIFAR3NT ANVIRONMENT!!11!!11 WTF LOL ITS FUL OF P3OPL3 OF AL INT3LIEGNCES11!1! OMG WTF LOL DONT ASUME TAHT B/C U R TEH CANADIAN GRMMAR CHMPION U CAN AU2MATICALY ASUMA TAHT UR ALWAYS RIGHT1!!11!1 WTF IF UR SO CONFIEDNT ABOUT THIS RUL3 ABOUT PUNCTUATION BNG INSIED QUOTATION MARKS 10% OF TEH TIEM LINK M3 2 A W3BSIET TAHT STAETS THIS RUL3!11!! WTF LOL WHIEL U LOK I WIL LOK FOR A W3BSIET TAHT BAKS MAH ARGUMENT!!!!11 WTF LOL (AND TAHTS NOT TEH M3NTION DA FACT TAHT IT IS 2V1 WIT ME HAVNG TEH ADVANTAEG.ONE!!!!111!!1!111!! OMG LOL OTHER PERSON MANTIONED H3 THOUGHT WUT I WAS SAYNG WAS CORACT)1!1!!1 OMG LOL
If this wasn't a joke, I would find you and tear out your lungs.

Actually...considering this is the website for a published book on grammar rules...and the awards tab is pretty impressive looking, I'd have to say that this website could be a pretty reliable one. I've seen college kids toting this book around, so...yea...

But then again I'm American, and we apparantly don't know our grammar rules from our left nut...
... You probably do, but seriously, most people I've met who've learned to talk like an American sound like they're vomiting words, not speaking 'em.

A few more grammar rules to know, though;
After "...", you have to place a space and capitalize the first word...
... And there's a couple things wrong with the last sentence. It should read like this...
"But then again, I'm American and apparently, we don't know our grammar rules from our left nut...".

There ya go.

... You probably do, but seriously, most people I've met who've learned to talk like an American sound like they're vomiting words, not speaking 'em.

A few more grammar rules to know, though;
After "...", you have to place a space and capitalize the first word...
... And there's a couple things wrong with the last sentence. It should read like this...
"But then again, I'm American and apparently, we don't know our grammar rules from our left nut...".

There ya go.
Uhm, the "..." (that I can't think of the name for right now) can come in the middle of sentences and that is more for Internet effect anyway...like when you're speaking and make a pause but a comma doesn't belong and you didn't start a new sentence.

"...like when you're speaking and make a pause but a comma doesn't belong and you didn't start a new sentence," for instance, is not a complete sentence.

As far as "apparently" goes, it is an adverb and does not necessarily have to serve as an introduction. What I said was correct grammatically, what you said is correct grammatically, and there are other variations that would be correct grammatically.

civilization II

Uhm, the "..." (that I can't think of the name for right now) can come in the middle of sentences and that is more for Internet effect anyway...like when you're speaking and make a pause but a comma doesn't belong and you didn't start a new sentence.

"...like when you're speaking and make a pause but a comma doesn't belong and you didn't start a new sentence," for instance, is not a complete sentence.

As far as "apparently" goes, it is an adverb and does not necessarily have to serve as an introduction. What I said was correct grammatically, what you said is correct grammatically, and there are other variations that would be correct grammatically.
There is one thing that you DEFINITELY did wrong, though. "But then again, I'm American,"; it needs the comma between "again" and "I'm." I can't remember what it's called, though.

I'm bored of this for now. Call it a day.

There is one thing that you DEFINITELY did wrong, though. "But then again, I'm American,"; it needs the comma between "again" and "I'm." I can't remember what it's called, though.

I'm bored of this for now. Call it a day.
It is an introductory phrase, therefore you are correct, it does need a comma. However, after attempting to call me like 5-6 times, you were correct twice. Your grammar is not that much better than mine.

I would have to say Nocturnal Illusion. It’s creepy as well as sexy.

Goldeneye is up there, and I have to say, with regards to the nes games, classic!!!

I think Zelda was fun as well, way back when.

Anybody remember Atari?

Starcraft.

You just can't beat it. Any game that I can play for six years without getting bored is officially the cream of the crop. There's nothing else for it.

Atari is sweet. I miss playing Jungle hunt on the 2600. Still doesn't beat SC, though. Sorry.

Games that have been to my liking over the Years. Many of them have already been said but I think that this is a good list.

N64 - Goldeneye + Super Smash Bro + Zelda
Snes - Ogre Battle + Secret of mana + Sieken Denstu 3 (secret of mana 2) + New Horizons II + Super Metroid + FF3 +Chrono Trigger + MegaMan +Breath Of Fire 2 + Zelda
Nes - Duck hunter duck (or is it shooter?)
PS1 - FF7 + XenoGears + FF Tactics + FF9 +Breath Of Fire 3 + Legend Of Dragoon + PS1 had some sweet fighting games too
Xbox - Halo - KOTOR - Mech Assault
PC - anything by Sid Meiers + Doom series + Halflife and its mods + Ghost Recon + Rainbow Six Series + The Sims (its bad but HIGHLY addictive) + same goes with Diablo 2 + NeverWinter Nights + Elder Scrolls 1-3 (arena, Dagger Fall, and morrowind) + Duke Nukem + StarCraft + Warcraft + GunBound (very korny but funny) + AA (hey its free) +

more to come as i remember them

In no particular order:

* Elite (the original, NOT Frontier; man, was that ever a big fat disappointment)
* Pirates! (Sid Meier's Pirates! -- a new version -- is coming out this year! I'm so excited!)
* TIE Fighter
* Master of Orion II
* Civilisation II
* Populous
* Silent Service
* Tiger Woods PGA 2004 -- strangely absorbing, and goes well with a spliff
* Halo
* Sensible World of Soccer
* Fallout and Fallout II
* The Empire Strikes Back arcade unit
* Gauntlet and Gauntlet II ("Blue Elf, is about to die") arcade units
* Stargate Defender arcade unit
* Asteroids arcade unit

Someone else who loves Pirates!, Master of Orion II, and Silent Service? Must resist urge to hug you....

I would have to say Nocturnal Illusion. It’s creepy as well as sexy.

Hahahahaha! That game is hilarious.

Someone else who loves Pirates!, Master of Orion II, and Silent Service? Must resist urge to hug you....

*Grips Dementate's hand in silent admiration, wipes away a manly tear*

Actually, while I'm here, I'll put in a good word for Uplink. It's probably the only modern game to get close to the sort of knuckle-chewing anxt induced by Silent Service. As a bonus, there's no shattering of the illusion when you look round and realise that you're sitting in your bedroom hunched in front of your computer. Plus, it's cheap!

Ooooo, super smash brothers and super smash brothers melee. I cant count the number of days i lost to those games, plus they have the best multiplayer mode imaginable....good times....

Viewtiful Joe and Devil May Cry are the finest games in this or any other universe.

I would have to go with a good game of Counter-Strike.

civilization II

OMG! That was the game that got me into gaming! I use to come home and play that on an old Pentium 133. I still have a copy of that, but do not play. *sigh* That game is on my all-time greats list. I put three games on that list.

Civilization II
StarCraft
Counter-Strike

Just because I found the grammar fight so entertaining I thought i'd add to it: both sets of grammar are acceptable because essentially American has become a different language to English. What's not acceptable is that they spell LASER LAZER, it's a acronym FFS! Light Amplification by Ztimulated Emission Radiation?! I think not.

Anyway FF7 is best RPG, although I do like Morrowind because I have too much free time :)

No one has mentioned Champ. Man. yet, or original FIFA on the Megadrive?

DOOM III!!!
At least that's what I've got in my mits. Damn no I've got to wait till I get home from work to install it.....
hmmm, feel a flu coming on ...coughcough

While Halo didnt introduce anything significantly new to gaming, its the best because its so damn fine and polished. The story is great, especially with the books out to give more background, the campaign levels are very different and large, the enemies are smart, vehicles and weapons are awesome, the graphics are 3 years old and still look better than a lot of games coming out today. Multiplayer is friggin awesome with it.

Ive played the Tribes 2 demo and didnt notice any aliens in it, though they may be in the full game. I just found that Halo much better done overall.

WOLF3D There's not a game around that i played as much as WOLF3D, it was the beginning of the FPS-series.

But i also like(d) OFP, Doom, RTCW, UT, battlefield42, Total annihilation, colonization and HoI

RPG: hmm... hard choice. I like different RPGs for different reasons. I used to be a huge fan of FF, but if I'd had to pick one fav, I'd say Either Morrowind or NWN (depending on my mood). Not only because they are both good games, but also because they're both easy to edit and mod for. Other games that come to my mind are ToEE, BG2, and Fallout 2.

RTS: Easy. StarCraft. There are many good RTS games out there, but none as perfect as SC. Good story, great gameplay, near perfect multiplayer. Even after all these years I haven't played a single game that is better balanced or more fun to play than this. C&C Generals would come in second, but that may only be because a friend of mine is currently in the process of developing one of the best and largest mods ever for the game. I'd plug in a link but I'm not sure if that's allowed here. :confused:

FPS: Another tough choice, though I think I'm going to have to choose for Jedi Knight 2. While there are certainly better looking and games, with better gameplay, there has not been an RTS that I enjoyed this much both in single player as in multiplayer. C&C Renegade is second, for the same reason.

Puzzle: The Incredible Machine, and all it's sequels and spinoffs. Hey, it sure as hell beats Minesweeper. :p

Adventure: And with adventure I don't mean those action-adventure/platformer games, but stuff like ZORK and Myst. Phantasmagoria 2 takes the prize here. The first time I played that I was too scared to stop playing. :D I haven't played in a long time, though...

Fighting: I'm not getting into the discussion about 2D/3D, so I'm going to put down one of each. Soul Calibur 2 and Marvel vs Capcom 2. Although I'm pretty sure I need to squeeze in a SNK and a Sammy game somewhere... :p

Other game types: Blaat. I either don't play them enough to have a valid opinion, or I just don't care too much about them.



OVERALL: StarCraft. Really, it's that simple.
I honestly prefer RPGs or Fighters over RTS games usually, but StarCraft is certainly the best game I ever had the pleasure of playing. I still play it very often, both on LANs and over Battle.net, and that should tell you a lot. :cool:

I don't undrestand why people like starcraft, it never seemed that good for me Zeldas far better

OVERALL: StarCraft. Really, it's that simple.

I agree with you 100%. It has so much personality for a RTS game, and the story is surprisingly engaging. That, and the three armies are so different yet so balanced... it's just beautiful... Nothing has yet surpassed Starcraft. I was sorely disappointed with Warcraft III, for instance.

Damn, lots of PC fanatics.

My favorite game of all-time is Zelda: Majora's Mask. Took everything I loved about the Ocarina of Time and added lots of side-quests, masks, gameplay and the interesting story. My favorite series is Zelda, by far.

Favorite RPG: Final Fantasy VI. Followed by Chrono Trigger. Honorable mention goes to Lufia II.

FPS: Perfect Dark. I spent so much time with this game. Great multiplayer. Too many memories.

Fighting: Killer Instinct. Fulgore being the best character as well. I'm not much of a fighting game fan. It can't be a button-masher like Tekken. Honorable mention is SSB: Melee.

Other various titles include Super Metroid, Metroid Prime, Zelda: A Link to the Past, Harvest Moon and many many other classics.


Best PC RPG for me was Fallout 2. I've had Planescape: Torment for a while now, but have only put about 2 hours into it. I'll get around to it.

I don't undrestand why people like starcraft, it never seemed that good for me Zeldas far better
You can't compare SC to Zelda, really. If you don't like RTS, of course SC is not going to "do" it for you... In the end, it's all personal opinion. For example, The only Zelda game I ever liked (and I've played them all, except for the Wind Waker), was Link's Awakening, and that's just because for a long time it was the only decent game I had for the GameBoy besides Tetris.

Personally, in my opionon-the best game ever is Marathon.
Halo follows closely behind.

I also have fun playing age of empires.

Personally I dont care whether it is on a console or a computer, it matters how good the game is. Halo formats the Xbox controls perfectly , IMO, it is alot more fun to have 16 people playing in the same room than 16+people playing online.