NationStates Jolt Archive

George Washington.


'Nuff said!

John A. Macdonald

Of those I remember from my lifetime - Trudeau.

James K. Polk, the conqueror

Calvin Coolidge, Warren Harding, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and James Garfield.


Also Richard Nixon.

Best ever? Washington. Everything went downhill from there in terms of leaders- and the formation of political parties.

Best in my time? Ugh.. I don't really like any of them- I'm stuck between Clinton and Aitch Dubya Bush. (Being 14 gives you too few choices).

John A. Macdonald

Who? (Sorry, name doesn't ring a bell)

Who? (Sorry, name doesn't ring a bell)

First ever Canadian Prime Minister.

Google is a quick way to find it.
John A. Macdonald -Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Macdonald)

First ever Canadian Prime Minister.

Google is a quick way to find it.
John A. Macdonald -Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Macdonald)

Thanks!

Queen Victoria - God save the Queen.

Pierrie Elliott Trudeau!

No one even comes close to him in my opinion. (Canada)

Queen Victoria - God save the Queen.

I'm sure my south african friend whos great grandmother was born in a concentration camp would beg to differ.

Henry Clay...
He should have been president so many times.
THOSE BASTARDS!

Of those I remember from my lifetime - Trudeau.


Hehe, I didn't even see you had responded..lol go figure, we picked the same person. Why oh why am I just so NOT surprised..lol :fluffle:

Hehe, I didn't even see you had responded..lol go figure, we picked the same person. Why oh why am I just so NOT surprised..lol :fluffle:



ewwww old people PDA!!!



:P

Washington!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

based on what a nifty person he is... jimmy carter.

based on what a nifty person he is... jimmy carter.

This is just my personal opinion of Jimmy Carter, but...

President: Blegh.

Human Being: Two thumbs up!

Ronald W. Reagan

This is just my personal opinion of Jimmy Carter, but...

President: Blegh.

Human Being: Two thumbs up!

i wasn't around when he was president, but i like his policy opinions now.

Ronald W. Reagan

Ah, the Great Communicator... :)

Captain Bligh! (yep, he was Governor of NSW back when that was all of OZ).
Followed closely by Governor Phillip, who was the only reason the First Fleet didn't starve to death.
Since democracy - a toss up between Ben Chifley and John Curtin.
During my lifetime - definitely Bob Hawke; not the greatest we've had but heaps better than anyone else during the last 40 years.

Yer gonna hate me for this, but Ronald Reagan.

Yer gonna hate me for this, but Ronald Reagan.

I don't hate you. I think he was a cool guy.

Although some socialists might not like it, for me Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev was a great leader. He risked alot in trying to reform a true communism - and had things worked out different then perhaps his vision might have been an example for us all!

I look forward to seeing a new socialist era, where Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev is honoured for his honesty and commitment to true socialism and reversal of Stalinist models!

Although some socialists might not like it, for me Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev was a great leader. He risked alot in trying to reform a true communism - and had things worked out different then perhaps his vision might have been an example for us all!

I look forward to seeing a new socialist era, where Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev is honoured for his honesty and commitment to true socialism and reversal of Stalinist models!


actually. i would agree that he was a great leader. good on you.

abe lincoln and ron reagon

And I am the only one who said Henry Clay...

I guess he's both not early enough (ie. like Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson etc.) but not late enough as Carter, Reagan etc.

Ashoka, 3rd Emperor of India during the Mauryan dynasty. He started as a cruel warrior king and converted to Buddhism in the midst of a battle, thereafter making the welfare of his subjects the cheif concern of his government - reforming many of the old ways for more liberal policies. Brilliant ruler.

Although some socialists might not like it, for me Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev was a great leader. He risked alot in trying to reform a true communism - and had things worked out different then perhaps his vision might have been an example for us all!

I look forward to seeing a new socialist era, where Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev is honoured for his honesty and commitment to true socialism and reversal of Stalinist models!

You do know that his 'reforms' were bogus, don't you? Read, for example, "New Lies For Old" and "The Perestroika Deception," both by Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, whose predictions are so terrifyingly accurate he'll convince you he's a prophet. And let's not forget the tens of thousands who continued to rot in the gulag concentration camps under Gorbachev, his support of revolution and terrorism, and his regime's murder of over 500,000 Afghanis.

historically, american leaders are horrible, so I'm afraid I have no one from my own country I admire. It's not so much that they were bad for the vitality of the political entity, but morally, they're horrible - washington was a british patriot until he lost his promised estate in Ohio, the next hundred years are a history of abuse to the indiginous peoples, slavery, and plutocracy...and our century has been one of war and idiocy.

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Washington: without him there would be no America

Reagan: Defeated communism

FDR: WWII

GWB: Kicked terrorist ass

and his regime's murder of over 500,000 Afghanis.
The funny thing is GWB is probably gonna have the same thing said about him only replace Afghanis with Iraqis and some Afghanis. Oh yeah I'm not sure what the number of casualties is in the Iraq War...

The funny thing is GWB is probably gonna have the same thing said about him only replace Afghanis with Iraqis and some Afghanis. Oh yeah I'm not sure what the number of casualties is in the Iraq War...

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT defending Bush, I'm simply stating the fact that Gorbachev, in spite of the fact that he earned the Nobel 'Peace' Prize, was a murderer (but then again, so were many others who won the prize: Le Duc Tho [even though he declined it], Henry Kissinger, Nelson Mandela, etc.).

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT defending Bush, I'm simply stating the fact that Gorbachev, in spite of the fact that he earned the Nobel 'Peace' Prize, was a murderer (but then again, so were many others who won the prize: Le Duc Tho [even though he declined it], Henry Kissinger, Nelson Mandela, etc.).

Yeah you see my point. And frankly its fairly difficult to be a leader of a major world power and NOT be a murderer.

Yeah you see my point. And frankly its fairly difficult to be a leader of a major world power and NOT be a murderer.

Ain't that the truth!

I agree. Jimmy Carter.

Of course, it doesn't hurt that he was in office when I was born...;)

I'm gonna go ahead and say FDR.

Can't think of one, here...

And the list of least favorites would be too big. ;)

*waves @ sheilanagig (You still around, someplace?)*

Can't think of one, here...

And the list of least favorites would be too big. ;)

*waves @ sheilanagig (You still around, someplace?)*

That's okay, name them. Just don't name more than fifty.

Oh boy, where to start...

I think I'll just leave it at our current prime minister, J.P. Balkenende. No backbone, no feeling with the people in this country who make less than 100,000 euros a year...

He's the first one to have dragged this country into a downright recession since I was born (so I wouldn't know about those before that).

That country's Holland, btw.

Theodore Roosevelt

Go get 'em, Teddy!

Michael Joseph Savage

I don't know if you include non-political leaders...

Well, maybe : Alexander the Great, Napoleon, De Gaulle, Churchill, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela...

I don't know if you include non-political leaders...

Well, maybe : Alexander the Great, Napoleon, De Gaulle, Churchill, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela...

Fine, Fine, Fine, Fine, Fine, Terrorist marxist murderer.

For me it has to be Oliver Cromwell without a doubt

Fine, Fine, Fine, Fine, Fine, Terrorist marxist murderer.

I must admit that I don't understand...

I must admit that I don't understand...


http://www.africancrisis.org/default2.asp


Scroll most of the way day, see the links to the "photo essays"

Nelson Mandela contrary to popular belief, was not put into jail for opposing apartheid, he called for violence and terrorism (necklacing people, where they'd put a tired over the person's head, bind their arms, and light tire on fire)

I must admit that I don't understand...



Victims of Mandela's terror squads.

http://www.africancrisis.org/photos11.asp



Victims of black marxist landmine campaign.

http://www.africancrisis.org/photos5.asp

Me:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt (The New Deal)

Jimmy Carter (He had the best intentions, but couldn't get Congressional Support)

http://www.africancrisis.org/Photo.asp?&State=V1&Subject=HB&Page=5&

In 1962 Mandela left the country unlawfully and travelled abroad for several months. Not long after his return to South Africa Mandela was arrested and charged with illegal exit from the country, and incitement to strike. He was convicted and sentenced to five years imprisonment. While serving his sentence he was charged, in the Rivonia Trial, with sabotage designed to "ferment violent revolution". Mandela and his buddies were charged with 221 acts of sabotage. No doubt there could have been one concerning "necklacing" too, but i doubt it... but all in all they were bogus charges anyways (or so the UN security council seemed to think at the time).

Nowehere did I find a source Nelson Mandela being accused of necklasing, not to mention being charged of it. Plenty of stories how her ex-wife Winnie enjoyed doing that though.

Nice site that africancrisis.org. Seems to be bunch of bitter apartheid supporters wenting. I love how they have close ties with Stormfront White Nationalist Community in SA... one would think they'd love N. Mandela!

Whilst he had his faults, Winston Churchill stood in the face of adversity as the last free outpost in Europe when it would have been easier to give in.

Whilst we wouldnt have won the war without America and the soviet union ( who made a much bigger sacrafice and impact than we did). From the american standpoint if we didnt hold out then they wouldnt have had a base of opperations for its assult on Europe and it would have ended either totaly nazi or communist. neither of which was ideal.

I must admit we are endebted to the US but to emphazise my point you could only manage an assult on mainland Japan after they surrendered after the bombs. and to be honest you wouldnt have been able to get to Germany in order to drop them (and droping them on a occupied peoples wouldnt be moral).

Victims of Mandela's terror squads.

http://www.africancrisis.org/photos11.asp



Victims of black marxist landmine campaign.

http://www.africancrisis.org/photos5.asp

Thanks for the links Communist Mississippi. I knew things after aparthied were bad but I didn't know that they were that bad.

Michael Joseph Savage

Good choice.
What about his successor?

I'm sure my south african friend whos great grandmother was born in a concentration camp would beg to differ

I'm sure she would too. It's called an Empire, and it made Britain the richest country in the world, at your friend's great grandmother's expense. Thanks to the excellent administration of foreign policy by Queen Victoria.

King Albert I

Defended Belgiums souverenity, was the only member of the government to stay in Belgium during WWI. Was called the "King-Soldier". Died while he was climbing a mountain(he fell off it, duh).

You do know that his 'reforms' were bogus, don't you? Read, for example, "New Lies For Old" and "The Perestroika Deception," both by Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, whose predictions are so terrifyingly accurate he'll convince you he's a prophet. And let's not forget the tens of thousands who continued to rot in the gulag concentration camps under Gorbachev, his support of revolution and terrorism, and his regime's murder of over 500,000 Afghanis.

Gorbachev wasn't the one that invaded Afghanistan...he was simply left with it as his problem. if he withdrew, the conservative elements in the politburo would have kicked him out. They still held onto a huge amount of power, and Gorbachev was only able to lead with their consent. As such, he was limited in what he could do. Even what he did do was too much for them to handle- as evidenced by the attempted coup. If you or I were in his position, We wouldn't be able to do any better. He was a good man, and his ambitions were noble, but his hands were bound.


As for political leaders from my country, well, John Curtin and Gough Whitlam I do admire, and to a lesser extent, Ben Chifley (Who tried, but didn't do much)...though I may not agree with all of their policies, close enough.

http://www.abc.net.au/btn/australians/curtin.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Curtin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Whitlam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Chifley

Definitely John C. Calhoun, Andrew Jackson's Vice-President.

But, if he doesn't count, I'd pick Gerald Ford.