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I was thinking the other day and i realized that i don't know of any occasions in the bible where Jesus refers to himself as the son of god. I realize he did it in front of the preists when he was on trial, but the people who wrote about that weren't in the room at the time and are basing their writing on assumptions. So does anyone have any other versus where he said it. Not the whole way truth son of man and other things that COULD be taken as him being the son of god, but are there any places where he actually says he IS the son of god?

Like you said, it's hard to know and it is based on assumptions.

My question is, how would Jesus know he's the son of God if he was confidently able to make such a proclaimation before the priests?

I'm not a Christian and, although I have skimmed through the Holy Bible, I am incapable of answering your question..

As for the Son of God issue.. I disagree with it, no offense to believers. I'm a Muslim, and I believe Jesus was the Holy Prophet of God, since God does not have any children.

So that's that for me at least :)

ok thanks anyway guys.

Doh! No one mentioned John 3:16?

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Yes, but the point is Jesus himself did not say it, its 3rd person, yes ?

* Argh, bible debate, I feel dirty, I'm leaving, ;)

dude im talking the words of jesus, like the little red print in the bible. not someone else saying it. i want the words of the jesus. john 3:16 is something john said for himself, not something he quoted from jesus. thanks anyway though.

Good answer, but the question was where does Jesus' himself refer to being the son of God.

As I haven't really read the whole Bible - more or less read a little bit here and a little bit there, I can't really answer the question either.

Yes, but the point is Jesus himself did not say it, its 3rd person, yes ?

* Argh, bible debate, I feel dirty, I'm leaving, ;)

No, he said it himself.

*ahem, prepares to quote (well, cut and paste from www.bible.com, actually) a lot o' Bible and the general public*

Today's reading is from John, Chapter three, verses nine through eighteen:

9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

*closes book*

Copies are now on sale in the lobby.

dude im talking the words of jesus, like the little red print in the bible. not someone else saying it. i want the words of the jesus. john 3:16 is something john said for himself, not something he quoted from jesus. thanks anyway though.

Well, alright, how about Matthew 11:25-27

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Well, when Jesus was baptized, God called out from Heaven and said "this is My Son."

Well, when Jesus was baptized, God called out from Heaven and said "this is My Son."

And a few minutes later, he added, "AND HE HAD A HAT!"

i dont get it

I doubt that Jesus thought he was the son of God. Especially since I couldn't believe in anyone who was concieted enought to think that they actually were the Son of God, aside from the fact that (if you believe this) we are all the son's and daughter's of God!

yeah thats pretty much my point. does jesus ever refer to himself as like the messiah or whatever or just as the son of god or refering to god as his father.

i dont get it

Well, the joke as told me to was rather anti-semetic, but I'll let others be the judge. And I suppose you can always substitute in any ethnic stereotype involving penny pinching.



One day, a Jewish mother took her infant son to the beach. She sat him down on the sand for a moment and looked away. Just then, a wave came up and washed him into the sea. The mother, beside herself with grief, fell down and began fervently praying to God, "Oh, please, please, please return my son to me and I will forever be your faithful servant and sing your praises until the end of my days!"

A wave then came crashing upon the beach and deposited the woman's son at her feet. The mother looked at her child for a moment then turned her face back to the sky and said, 'HE HAD A HAT!"

yeah thats pretty much my point. does jesus ever refer to himself as like the messiah or whatever or just as the son of god or refering to god as his father.

Like RomeW said, in Matthew 3:16-17, God himself claims Jesus as his son after he is baptized by John the Baptist.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Mark 14:61-62 is another example of Jesus claiming the title of "Son of God" but not specifically saying it himself:

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

the joke, its funny. the scripture, its not so funny, but just as useful in a stiff situation.

John chapter 18:
“Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?”

All of John 17, really:
“Father, the hour has come. Esteem Your Son, so that Your Son also might esteem You..."

I found several more glancing up through the passages. More often, though, Jesus(Yahushua as I know him) was asked "Hey are you the messiah and the son of God?" and he'd say yes. You're also looking at connotation you have to dig up because it changes when the language is translated.

The manner in which it can be said that Jesus was the son of God and that we are the children of God is not the same. Using that concept to describe us we're adopted children.
The interpretation of Son of God and Son of Man is a popular thing to debate in religious circles, but Jesus spelled out his nature, his job, and his origins clearly. The added commentary from his followers as inspired by God doesnt detract from his explanation. Modern tradition on the other hand...meh, another thread's debate.

EDIT:
Saw this above :)
"and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. "
Jesus didnt say 'power,' he said Yahweh. The jews had over legalized faith to the point that speaking the name that God said was his and that he wanted everyone to know etc., just saying his name was enough to get you killed. Its a sad irony that this was the final straw that sent him to his death.
What he said was extremely clear and extremely powerful in stating who he was and where he was from.