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Tell me, why do you hate him? And if you don't hate him, maybe you could offer an opinion on why so many people hate him.

Because the best thing that I can say about him is that he didn't totally screw up the post 9/11 stuff. Everything else he's done has been a negative.

Because liberals love bandwagons.

Hey, maybe you should create a poll and give us different options to pick from..lol

he's a twat and a maron who cant run a country properly and is a puppe for the us feul compinnes

Hey, maybe you should create a poll and give us different options to pick from..lol
Well, I thought there would be too many reasons for a poll.

Lol I agree with the bandwagon theory … though I am not really on any side it really seems to me that they have ended up being defensive about their position and have jumped all on the same bandwagon to further reinforce their position (numbers really do not improve the quality of your position lol)

I personally don’t like GW but then again I never have

Still seems to be an overly strong reaction to anything he really has done or not done (as applying it to what a reasonable person would do/expect)

"Because he's there."

Seriously, though, is it any wonder US politics is so bloody partisan when everyone insists on speaking in such wildly over-emotive tones? This is where all this "you hate America!" crap comes from. Is it not possible to strongly disagree with someone, to think that their politics and policies are hopelessly misguided, without having to hate them?

Lol I agree with the bandwagon theory … though I am not really on any side it really seems to me that they have ended up being defensive about their position and have jumped all on the same bandwagon to further reinforce their position (numbers really do not improve the quality of your position lol)

I personally don’t like GW but then again I never have

Still seems to be an overly strong reaction to anything he really has done or not done (as applying it to what a reasonable person would do/expect)

Come on, the right does it too. It's called "politics".

"Because he's there."

Seriously, though, is it any wonder US politics is so bloody partisan when everyone insists on speaking in such wildly over-emotive tones? This is where all this "you hate America!" crap comes from. Is it not possible to strongly disagree with someone, to think that their politics and policies are hopelessly misguided, without having to hate them?

I think it is, but, yes, apparently most people do not.

Come on, the right does it too. It's called "politics".

That was me. Puppet post.

His economic policies have done nothing to aid anyone except the upper 2% of America. His environmental policies are nothing short of destructive to the very place we live. His complete refusal to look at any options that differ from his own depict a narrow-minded individual. His penchant for shifting blame from himself to any number of fall guys depicts an air of irresponsibility. His complete lack of awareness of America's place in a larger world reeks of ethnocentric thought. His willingness to request and present skewed intelligence to serve his purposes stinks of deceit. It just goes on and on....

This is a man who couldn't even accept responsibility for falling off his bike last summer. Remember that? His press spokeman stated that he fell because the ground was slippery from all the rain, yet you can look up the rainfall charts for Crawford for that entire month and see that no rainfall had occurred in nearly a week before he went riding and a total of 0.07" had fallen in the previous 17 days. Why couldn't he even accept that simple responsibility?

Not to mention that any man that nearly chokes to death on a pretzel probably doesn't deserve the White House.

"Because he's there."

Seriously, though, is it any wonder US politics is so bloody partisan when everyone insists on speaking in such wildly over-emotive tones? This is where all this "you hate America!" crap comes from. Is it not possible to strongly disagree with someone, to think that their politics and policies are hopelessly misguided, without having to hate them?
Bloody politics. You are from Britain, right?

His economic policies have done nothing to aid anyone except the upper 2% of America.
Then why do the richest 5% of America pay 95% of taxes in the US?

Bloody politics. You are from Britain, right?

Yup. Sunny Scotland, to be specific. And I should probably admit that I *still* hate Margaret Thatcher.

Then why do the richest 5% of America pay 95% of taxes in the US?

Source that, please.

And if that were so, it's because their proportion of yearly income is clearly far more than most people. Think about it.

I don't know, he started a war with Iraq and I still can't see the point in it. After 9/11 since he basically had America standing behind him, he could've done better; but then again, I've never been in that position where one decision can change the nation, nay, world so I can't really pass judgement.

Yup. Sunny Scotland, to be specific. And I should probably admit that I *still* hate Margaret Thatcher.
I can't say that I blame you, I don't live in the UK, but from what I've heard of her she's the only elected western official to be worse than Reagan.

Thief, liar, moralistic biggot, blatiantly in bed with big buisness and rubs our noses in it every day, can't chew a pretzel, makes speeches that are obviously not written by him, implicates himself in several of his campaign speeches damning both himself and kerry, is using 9-11 as a political crutch, uses terror warnings for political use, black and white politician who refuses to negotiate on anything, refuses to work with the UN, started a vendetta war in Iraq... need I continue? Mebby it wouldn't be so easy for me to not like him if someone could give me a good reason why I should.

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Forgot a big one: has der Fuehrer John Ashcroft as his attourney general.

That's a fantasy that has been hashed and rehashed time and time again.

But since we're talking economics....why did Bush change the rules to allow "American" companies with their headquarters outside the United States to bid on reconstruction projects? Why are companies getting such large breaks on their taxes under Bush?

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"Because he's there."

Seriously, though, is it any wonder US politics is so bloody partisan when everyone insists on speaking in such wildly over-emotive tones? This is where all this "you hate America!" crap comes from. Is it not possible to strongly disagree with someone, to think that their politics and policies are hopelessly misguided, without having to hate them?

I don't hate Dubya, I am simply afraid of what his foreign policy has wrought for our country in the international community, what has happened to the balanced budget since the tax cuts, and most importantly I am afraid of the neo-McCarthyism that has come about since he took office, in that anyone who disagrees with the policies and procedures of the government is branded as unpatriotic. The freedom to dissent is the quintessential ingredient in maintaining our political and personal freedoms!

I am a Moderate Republican, and though GW has my vote in November, what he has done in his 4 years has rather been disheartening. Being a fiscal conservative it is scary the amount of money this administration has just basically burnt up. Our deficit is higher than it has ever been, and that is just scary to me. Then again the other day Sen. John Edwards said that under the Kerry administration health care costs would come down and defense spending would go up... even if the upper class tax cuts are repealed, how exactly could the US pay for further defense enhancements and a more liberal health care system? And on that matter since when do Dems support more money for the military, it's like there is an ideoligical flip-flop (John Kerry style) going on in Washington DC. I hear many people here in FL say they are going to vote for one or the other being that one is the "better of two evils", that is just the biggest loud of crap, if one feels that way they shouldn't be allowed to vote. It seems as though I am ranting now, and as I read over my post I am... so I will cut this short, how many politicians actually write their own speeches nowadays? And I'm surprised no one has blamed the 2000 elections on GW... even though that was a Democrat botchup, it being a Dem that was supervisor of elections in Palm Beach County, and a Dem that designed the infamous "butterfly ballot"... so I suppose I just stopped that one in it's tracks!

1. His attempt to make a constitutional amendment banning Gay marriage wich would be the first amendment RESTRICTING rights instead of protecting them.
2. His protectionism economic policies that goes against the NAFTA and his refusal to change said policies despite being told by the courts they were against the NAFTA regulations.
3. His war on Iraq that I think is unjustified.
4. His environnmental policies that not only affect him but us in Canada as well.
5. His alienation of the UN and other countries.
6. The fact that torture can even be used and allowed under the guidelines his administation set up.

There, specific facts.

I hate him for:

His perception that he is the moral leader of our nation, as a mandate from God. If the current situation in the Middle East has taught us nothing else, it ought to be that we should beware the fundamentalist leaders who use their religion as justification for their behavior.

Taking the few remaining neighboring nations that still considered us allies, and basically thumbed his nose in their face. 'You are either with us or against Us' What crappy relationship building that was. We're not unlike the one school yard bully who controlled all the kids in the school using fear tactics, until all the other kids realized that if they all ganged up on him, he'd have no power at all. If we really think that we can "Do it all on our own, 'cause we're number 1" we are in for a seriously rude awakening. All empires fall -- when will we realize that acting like an empire isn't in our best interest?

Taking a nation that was founded on revolutionary ideas on how government could be structured, and essentially said "Well, the experiment is done, and we've figured it out, and we should never change a thing" instead of realizing that nothing is ever finished -- he's chosen to rest on our laurels, as the rest of the world moves on without us.

Using the deaths of our fellow citizens on Sept 11 to exploit a culture of fear in our country. Oh, we're so much easier to influence when we're afraid. Really, we'd had fair warning that terrorists wanted to kill civilians on our soil long before 2001. We chose to ignore that.



Those are the reasons I hate him. I dislike him for most of his policies, but I hate him for what he's done to the tenor of our country.

I hate him for:

His perception that he is the moral leader of our nation, as a mandate from God. If the current situation in the Middle East has taught us nothing else, it ought to be that we should beware the fundamentalist leaders who use their religion as justification for their behavior.

Taking the few remaining neighboring nations that still considered us allies, and basically thumbed his nose in their face. 'You are either with us or against Us' What crappy relationship building that was. We're not unlike the one school yard bully who controlled all the kids in the school using fear tactics, until all the other kids realized that if they all ganged up on him, he'd have no power at all. If we really think that we can "Do it all on our own, 'cause we're number 1" we are in for a seriously rude awakening. All empires fall -- when will we realize that acting like an empire isn't in our best interest?

Taking a nation that was founded on revolutionary ideas on how government could be structured, and essentially said "Well, the experiment is done, and we've figured it out, and we should never change a thing" instead of realizing that nothing is ever finished -- he's chosen to rest on our laurels, as the rest of the world moves on without us.

Using the deaths of our fellow citizens on Sept 11 to exploit a culture of fear in our country. Oh, we're so much easier to influence when we're afraid. Really, we'd had fair warning that terrorists wanted to kill civilians on our soil long before 2001. We chose to ignore that.



Those are the reasons I hate him. I dislike him for most of his policies, but I hate him for what he's done to the tenor of our country.
*Applause from Germany*

I am a Moderate Republican, and though GW has my vote in November, what he has done in his 4 years has rather been disheartening.... I hear many people here in FL say they are going to vote for one or the other being that one is the "better of two evils", that is just the biggest loud of crap, if one feels that way they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

So if 4 years of GW has been "rather disheartening" to you, why does he still have your vote? Sounds like picking the "better of two evils" to me.

I seriously believe if it wasn't for 9/11...Bush would have no shot at getting re-elected.

So you ask why people hate him? ok, I'll list just a few things that he has done to spark all this anger:

~He was the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
~He spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
~He shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history
~more than 3.2 million private sector jobs have disappeared since President Bush took office. This is the largest sustained loss of jobs since the Great Depression. On average, that’s roughly 106,000 private sector jobs lost every month – the worst under any president in 58 years.
~He has protected his friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.
~He presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
~He presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
~He appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.
~He has broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.
~He is the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission
~He refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
~He set the record for fewest number of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.
~He set the all-time record for most days on vacation.
~He has made the US the most hated country in the world
~He has set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest him in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
~He is the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. he did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.
~He has cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in wartime.
~In his State of the Union Address, he lied about our
reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on Great Britain.
~He is the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. He is supporting
development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
~And finnally, he still has yet to fofill his promise to capture Osama Bin Ladin.

Not to mention that any man that nearly chokes to death on a pretzel probably doesn't deserve the White House.

Yeah... if he was Bill Clinton, he'd be the one inflicting the choking, in the White House.

, how many politicians actually write their own speeches nowadays?

Well, theres John Kerry for one, he wrote the speech he gave at the convention. George Bush couldn't rub two words together if his life depended on it. Maybe Kerry will redistribute defense spending so that we are not wasting billions on useless obsolete tech. (missile defense shield)

I don't hate George Bush ... I've never met the man.

I hate his Presidency and his Administration and what they have done to my country.

Well, theres John Kerry for one, he wrote the speech he gave at the convention. George Bush couldn't rub two words together if his life depended on it. Maybe Kerry will redistribute defense spending so that we are not wasting billions on useless obsolete tech. (missile defense shield)
He may have written this speach but I doubt he wrote them all. Every politican has a speach writing staff.

Besides, there's so much reasons to hate Bush apart from the fact he doesn't write his speaches.

He may have written this speach but I doubt he wrote them all. Every politican has a speach writing staff.

Besides, there's so much reasons to hate Bush apart from the fact he doesn't write his speaches.

I am sure Kerry does have speech writers. The point is that he is capable of writing a speech. (and a good one at that!)

As for other reasons to vote Bush out of office, (I wouldn't say I hate him, I just don't respect him) I would say that the fact that he does not have mastery of the english language is low on the list, with issues of economics, security, foreign policy and social policy taking far more imprtance in my mind, but even someone who disagrees with me on how to deal with these issues has to realize that Bush has no brain.

Yeah... if he was Bill Clinton, he'd be the one inflicting the choking, in the White House.

Bahahahahaha!! To which I reply....screw an intern, not a country!

The real definition of liberal means that you believe civil or personal rights are all important and the the government and bussiness will do what is in their best intrest as a group of individuals and it may not be what is best for the majority or some significant minority. In short they need watching and regulating so that they do not rob us blind and destroy our enviorment in the name of profit while limiting our civil rights ie limiting what we can do as a group to stop them. George Bush has destroyed an individuals recourse at every turn from Tore reform and the Patriot Act (alien and sedion acts) to violations of the Geneva convention over classifing documents tampering with elections his own included and of course inflating the millitary and intelligence budgets while running up huge deficits for our children. He and other politicians talk about our saftey and security in order to justify their un american postions. In the words of a couple of great liberals Give me liberty or give me death and We must surely stick togethr or we will surely all hang seperately....... :headbang:

I don't hate Bush. I don't hate anyone. I do, however, find him to be an odious, cynical, callous, corrupt opportunist of a politician, and a malodorous, power-hungry, vastly arrogant man of such profound stupidity that it baffles me that he can even string two coherent sentences together. He is such an enormous spender that he makes all previous Presidents- including our third communist President, Franklin Despot Roosevelt, and Komrade Klinton- look like Scrooges. Even the most liberal Democrats have never been able to expand the government as much as he has, into the enormous, omnipresent, bureaucracy-choked mess it is today. His disregard for the Constitution nearly rivals that of FDR, Lyndon Bolshevik Johnson, etc. He is gradually dismantling our Republic and converting into a gestapo-like police state that brings up unpleasant memories of Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. He is a master of deception, a compulsive liar, and a lawless man. He has illegally entangled us in two wars which have massacred nearly a thousand of our great fighting men and God only knows how many Afghanis and Iraqis. He is an arch-traitor who's adamant support of our longtime enemy, China, and disdain for our ever-faithful and loyal ally, Taiwan, is, in a word, appalling. His tendency to rub elbows with terrorists like Putin, the Chinese government, the government of Pakistan, etc. clearly demonstrates how little he cares for his own citizens, who he manipulates like puppets on strings, with the help of Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., who are to him what Goebbels was to Hitler. He is an ardent internationalist, whose rabid enthusiasm for NAFTA, the WTO, the UN (he has given it a greater prominence that any of his predecessors; and, let us not forget, he returned us to the monstrosity known as UNESCO) is insidious. He is the greatest enemy to states' rights since LBJ (his socialistic No Child Left Behind Act and his proposed gay marriage amendment). All of this under the guise of patriotism. But what appals me the most is that so many Americans are still misguided by this walking sack of garbage. To make matters worse, Kerry is no better. It makes me wonder how much longer our Republic will last, and how soon what remains of our freedoms will be flushed down the toilet.

I don't hate Bush. I don't hate anyone. I do, however, find him to be an odious, cynical, callous, corrupt opportunist of a politician, and a malodorous, power-hungry, vastly arrogant man of such profound stupidity that it baffles me that he can even string two coherent sentences together. He is such an enormous spender that he makes all previous Presidents- including our third communist President, Franklin Despot Roosevelt, and Komrade Klinton- look like Scrooges. Even the most liberal Democrats have never been able to expand the government as much as he has, into the enormous, omnipresent, bureaucracy-choked mess it is today. His disregard for the Constitution nearly rivals that of FDR, Lyndon Bolshevik Johnson, etc. He is gradually dismantling our Republic and converting into a gestapo-like police state that brings up unpleasant memories of Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. He is a master of deception, a compulsive liar, and a lawless man. He has illegally entangled us in two wars which have massacred nearly a thousand of our great fighting men and God only knows how many Afghanis and Iraqis. He is an arch-traitor who's adamant support of our longtime enemy, China, and disdain for our ever-faithful and loyal ally, Taiwan, is, in a word, appalling. His tendency to rub elbows with terrorists like Putin, the Chinese government, the government of Pakistan, etc. clearly demonstrates how little he cares for his own citizens, who he manipulates like puppets on strings, with the help of Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., who are to him what Goebbels was to Hitler. He is an ardent internationalist, whose rabid enthusiasm for NAFTA, the WTO, the UN (he has given it a greater prominence that any of his predecessors; and, let us not forget, he returned us to the monstrosity known as UNESCO) is insidious. He is the greatest enemy to states' rights since LBJ (his socialistic No Child Left Behind Act and his proposed gay marriage amendment). All of this under the guise of patriotism. But what appals me the most is that so many Americans are still misguided by this walking sack of garbage. To make matters worse, Kerry is no better. It makes me wonder how much longer our Republic will last, and how soon what remains of our freedoms will be flushed down the toilet.

Don't hold back, tell us what you REALLY think.

I don't hate Bush. I don't hate anyone. I do, however, find him to be an odious, cynical, callous, corrupt opportunist of a politician, and a malodorous, power-hungry, vastly arrogant man of such profound stupidity that it baffles me that he can even string two coherent sentences together. He is such an enormous spender that he makes all previous Presidents- including our third communist President, Franklin Despot Roosevelt, and Komrade Klinton- look like Scrooges. Even the most liberal Democrats have never been able to expand the government as much as he has, into the enormous, omnipresent, bureaucracy-choked mess it is today.

Wow, Its the world's last real republican! Can I have your autograph?

What happened tot he rest of your party? When did they stop being republican or even conservative and just decided to join the Church of Bush?

Its funny, I have real respect for conservatives, but Bushites, I just can't abide. I even have some conservative ideals economically. Bush's economics can't be conservative or even liberal, they would be better described as insane.

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Did you have point? or are you just hoping to convert us to Bushism with these campaign pics? Some people are really wierd.... :rolleyes:

BTW, I find that button with the WTC burning in the background disgusting. And people say Bush didn't use 9/11 for political gain... its just sad how lazy-minded some people are

The man is just so clearly an idiot. Look at him. He's not capable of running his own brain, let alone a country.

And no, I'm not American. :)

Tell me, why do you hate him?


The coup of 2000, Killing 3,000 on 9/11, dismanteling the US constitution and launching two wars for personal gain.

Wow, Its the world's last real republican! Can I have your autograph?

What happened tot he rest of your party? When did they stop being republican or even conservative and just decided to join the Church of Bush?

Its funny, I have real respect for conservatives, but Bushites, I just can't abide. I even have some conservative ideals economically. Bush's economics can't be conservative or even liberal, they would be better described as insane.

I am not a Republican, never was one, and never will be. There is as little difference between the two parties as there was between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, which is little or none. I do not find the Republicans to be the least bit 'conservative.' Some of the most radically liberal ideas and programs were formulated by Republicans. I find it deeply offensive that someone would have the gall to associate me with that abominable party. Next time, read the entire post before you accuse someone of something as horrible as being a Republican or Democrat.

I am not a Republican, never was one, and never will be. There is as little difference between the two parties as there was between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, which is little or none. I do not find the Republicans to be the least bit 'conservative.' Some of the most radically liberal ideas and programs were formulated by Republicans. I find it deeply offensive that someone would have the gall to associate me with that abominable party. Next time, read the entire post before you accuse someone of something as horrible as being a Republican or Democrat.
Libertarian, eh?

Libertarian, eh?

Constitution Party, actually, although I do agree with the Libertarians on a great deal of things.

I hate George Bush because he's presided over the largest growth of the federal government since LBJ. He ran as one of ours, and I voted for him as one of ours, and he gets to Washington and starts spending my money like a drunken sailor ever since.

His sole saving grace is not even his own doing - it's that the Richie Rich / Lionel Hutz ticket is even more repugnant.

I am not a Republican, never was one, and never will be. There is as little difference between the two parties as there was between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, which is little or none. I do not find the Republicans to be the least bit 'conservative.' Some of the most radically liberal ideas and programs were formulated by Republicans. I find it deeply offensive that someone would have the gall to associate me with that abominable party. Next time, read the entire post before you accuse someone of something as horrible as being a Republican or Democrat.

I agree with everything you've said... you should check out congressman Ron Paul's web site: I think he's the only Statesman left.

Constitution Party, actually, although I do agree with the Libertarians on a great deal of things.
Next time, back up your arguementts.... which "liberal" programs were started by the Reps?

Though I am a Libertarian -

Of the two candidates that actually have a chance of winning - Bush is the only one who favors free trade

Though I am a Libertarian -

Of the two candidates that actually have a chance of winning - Bush is the only one who favors free trade

Bush's idea of free trade is handing over US economic controll to internationalist organizations like NAFTA, the WTO and G8...

That's a far cry from Libertaraianism...

Because liberals love bandwagons.
The same can be said for the Republicans and Conservatives.

Also, I hate him because I'm a firm believer in democracy and in my eyes based on what I know about the election, I feel that he was placed into power when he clearly didn't get the necessary amount of votes. Also, 49% of the population clearly didn't vote for him.

If you look at the percentage turnout, based on where and who voted, along with the controversy surrounding the recount of the Florida ballots, he seems to have lost to Al Gore. But, then again, what do I know, I'm just a bandwagon liberal :rolleyes:

Further, I also hate Bush because he, while having the right intent to go after al-Qaeda, has turn the War on Terrorism into a war on innocent people, both the Afgahanis and the Iraqis. And Americans wonder why the Arab world has this solid hatred of them... :rolleyes: and, we'll leave at that, I won't rant about his infringement on human rights because I do not need to be any angrier than I am right now.

Moving on, if you look at what he's done to the actual country of the USA, there is a perpetual state of fear generated through the propoganda of a possible, but unlikely terrorist attack. I don't think the threat is that great because the level has remained on orange for a long time and hardly goes down.

The "Leave No Child Behind" act is wrecking the academic world and future for the young children. The Patriot Act is making innocent citizens victims of the system and the lies upon lies and the deceit is just too much; the corruption is absolutely amazing.

The violation of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty is shocking, as well as the shunning of the Kyoto Accord...

His administration has created a stigma against the United States of America, painting it as a whacko religiously fundamenalist border-line theorcracy under the guise of a Republican democracy. It has brewed a climate of intolerance towards Muslims and Arabs, almost all of whom just want to lead quiet lives.

The administration also has made no human rights adavanced, in fact, it is retreating, given its treatment of gays, who are just as much a human as a straight person. It doesn't matter what our sexual orietation is; what our ethinicty and religion are; we are all people and we all deserve the right to be treated with dignity.

Yes... This is why I hate him.

Next time, back up your arguementts.... which "liberal" programs were started by the Reps?

I'll name as many programs and liberal actions of the Republicans as I can...

The Department of Health Education and Welfare was created by the Eisenhower Administration; No Child Left Behind Act (Dubya); the proposed gay marriage amendment (because it infringes upon states' rights); the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (Ike, again); the Gestapo, er, sorry, the 'Patriot' Act; the Department of Homeland Tyranny- excuse me, I meant Security; appointing liberal Earl Warren to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; foreign aid (not originally thought up by Republicans, but supported by them); anti-capitalism (the Republicans, with the exception of Ron Paul, have never made an effort to abolish the income tax, the Federal Reserve, and the IRS, to abolish welfare, to end business regulations, etc.)...

I agree with everything you've said... you should check out congressman Ron Paul's web site: I think he's the only Statesman left.

Agreed. I'm familiar with Dr. Paul. He's extremely sharp, genuinely patriotic, and is the only politician in many years to give a damn about the constitution. He's an all-around great guy.

I'll name as many programs and liberal actions of the Republicans as I can...

The Department of Health Education and Welfare was created by the Eisenhower Administration; No Child Left Behind Act (Dubya); the proposed gay marriage amendment (because it infringes upon states' rights); the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (Ike, again); the Gestapo, er, sorry, the 'Patriot' Act; the Department of Homeland Tyranny- excuse me, I meant Security; appointing liberal Earl Warren to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; foreign aid (not originally thought up by Republicans, but supported by them); anti-capitalism (the Republicans, with the exception of Ron Paul, have never made an effort to abolish the income tax, the Federal Reserve, and the IRS, to abolish welfare, to end business regulations, etc.)...

There was also Emperor Bush the First's "War on Drugs" which started the process to eliminate the barrier between law-enforcement and the military. And, believe it or not, the First Gulf War was based on the Liberal idealogy of military intervention against someone else's enemy, not because they are a threat to you, but because it is "the right thing to do" *TM*

I don't hate George W. Bush. From what I can tell he's a pretty nice guy. I think his politics seriously suck in some ways but that's no reason for hatred. I don't why people would hate him. Maybe they have trouble making the distinction between a person and his politics.

Though I am a Libertarian -

Of the two candidates that actually have a chance of winning - Bush is the only one who favors free trade
Uh... Ok, this one baffles me. How can he support free-trade if he imposes protectionist tarrifs that cross the border? How does he suppor free trade if he won't listen to the WTO and follow NAFTA? How can he support free trade if he treats one of the USA's biggest trading partner like crap and makes trade between the two nations harder by strained diplomatic relations?

Though I am a Libertarian -

Of the two candidates that actually have a chance of winning - Bush is the only one who favors free trade

Bush does not favor free trade. The Bush governement has put tariffs on steel, grain and softwood lumber (to name a few) despite it being against international treaties the US has signed.

Bush may SAY he favors free trade but that's just lies used to bolster his campaign.

Bush may SAY he favors free trade but that's just lies used to bolster his campaign.
What a surprise... a politician who lies during his/her campaign... :rolleyes:

There was also Emperor Bush the First's "War on Drugs" which started the process to eliminate the barrier between law-enforcement and the military. And, believe it or not, the First Gulf War was based on the Liberal idealogy of military intervention against someone else's enemy, not because they are a threat to you, but because it is "the right thing to do" *TM*

Agreed, as were the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Somalia, Kosovo, etc. All of these wars' purpose was to increase government at home and creep us closer to globalism abroad.

Agreed, as were the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Somalia, Kosovo, etc. All of these wars' purpose was to increase government at home and creep us closer to globalism abroad.
It's 20th/21st century American Imperialism! They are now picking up where the British left off ;)

All of these wars' purpose was to increase government at home and creep us closer to globalism abroad.

or, as Furor Bush Sr. called it "the New World Order." Funny thing about that phrase, under the FBI's Megiddo Project anyone who believes in a New World Order conspiracy is a suspect for terrorism... Anyone else find that odd?

or, as Furor Bush Sr. called it "the New World Order." Funny thing about that phrase, under the FBI's Megiddo Project anyone who believes in a New World Order conspiracy is a suspect for terrorism... Anyone else find that odd?
:confused: :eek: i certainly do.

http://mcsweeneys.net/links/bush

now watch this drive.

or, as Furor Bush Sr. called it "the New World Order." Funny thing about that phrase, under the FBI's Megiddo Project anyone who believes in a New World Order conspiracy is a suspect for terrorism... Anyone else find that odd?

At least the first Bush was honest. He said flat-out his goal was world government. The phrase New World Order has been used by internationalists for centuries, dating back to the Illuminati.

It's 20th/21st century American Imperialism! They are now picking up where the British left off ;)

No, it's the same old European families that controll the IMF, which controls the Federal Reserve, which controls America. They hold big conferences and get together, sometimes calling themselves the Builderberg Group, and discuss how they're going to screw the surfs. They pick the candidates (both Kerry and Bush are members of the Skull & Bones secret society) and stock the party ranks.

At least the first Bush was honest. He said flat-out his goal was world government. The phrase New World Order has been used by internationalists for centuries, dating back to the Illuminati.
WOW! An honest politcian! *sighs* they are a dying breed....

I am not a Republican, never was one, and never will be. There is as little difference between the two parties as there was between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, which is little or none. I do not find the Republicans to be the least bit 'conservative.' Some of the most radically liberal ideas and programs were formulated by Republicans. I find it deeply offensive that someone would have the gall to associate me with that abominable party. Next time, read the entire post before you accuse someone of something as horrible as being a Republican or Democrat.

Oh come on... have a sense of humor. I merely said what I did to illustrate how Bush is neither conservative or republican, not to say anythign about you. Sorry to offend...

His sole saving grace is not even his own doing - it's that the Richie Rich / Lionel Hutz ticket is even more repugnant.


Richie Rich? Damn dude, look at Bush... Lest face it, people who run for president coem from privledged backgrounds, you are shooting yourself in the foot if you vot for Bush cause Kerry has money. You have to be able to see how ass-backwards that logic is.

Lionel Hutz? I challenge you to name one "frivoulous" lawsuit that Edwards argued. Just wait till you get screwed by your HMO, you won't be raggin on trial lawyers then.

How could anything/anybody be more repugnant than Dick Cheney? Blech..

Oh come on... have a sense of humor. I merely said what I did to illustrate how Bush is neither conservative or republican, not to say anythign about you. Sorry to offend...

Sorry, I didn't realize you were kidding. You don't have to apologize. That's the thing I don't like about computers. You can't see the other person's expression or hear their voice tone, so sometimes it's nearly impossible to tell if they're joking or not.

How could anything/anybody be more repugnant than Dick Cheney? Blech..
Good question... That guy ain't human! He's subhuman...

Why everyone hates Mr. Bush?

Exept the fact he exist?

I do not know?

Maybe because he's kinda dull?

How could anything/anybody be more repugnant than Dick Cheney? Blech..

How 'bout TWO Dick Cheneys? Now THAT's scary!

How 'bout TWO Dick Cheneys? Now THAT's scary!


Eeeeewww!

Yeah I know what you mean, I just realized how whatI said about you being the last real republican could be taken completly the wrong way. Glad to clear that up. ;)

I don't begrudge Kerry cause he has money. I begrudge him because he's a textbook limousine liberal who never worked a real job in his life, married into mansions, yachts, and private islands, yet has the gall to tell me I deserve a tax hike.

Lionel Hutz, I mean Edwards, didn't get rich suing HMOs who screwed their patients. He got rich suing doctors and hospitals over defective children, when the hospitals did not perform a C-section. There is no evidence that C-sections would have helped, but there is no evidence juries are smart either.

Parasitic trial lawyers are why healthcare is so expensive in this country.

Richie Rich? Damn dude, look at Bush... Lest face it, people who run for president coem from privledged backgrounds, you are shooting yourself in the foot if you vot for Bush cause Kerry has money. You have to be able to see how ass-backwards that logic is.

Lionel Hutz? I challenge you to name one "frivoulous" lawsuit that Edwards argued. Just wait till you get screwed by your HMO, you won't be raggin on trial lawyers then.

How could anything/anybody be more repugnant than Dick Cheney? Blech..

1. His attempt to make a constitutional amendment banning Gay marriage wich would be the first amendment RESTRICTING rights instead of protecting them.
2. His protectionism economic policies that goes against the NAFTA and his refusal to change said policies despite being told by the courts they were against the NAFTA regulations.
3. His war on Iraq that I think is unjustified.
4. His environnmental policies that not only affect him but us in Canada as well.
5. His alienation of the UN and other countries.
6. The fact that torture can even be used and allowed under the guidelines his administation set up.

There, specific facts.


I hate to correct you, since I agree with everything else you said, but the 18th amendment, the liquor prohibition, restricted rights. Fortunately it was repealed, because it was such a disaster. An argument could be made that the 22nd amendment, the one limiting presidential terms of office, restricts voter choice. If this amendment didn't exist, I think there is a good chance Clinton could have won a third term.

I hate to correct you, since I agree with everything else you said, but the 18th amendment, the liquor prohibition, restricted rights. Fortunately it was repealed, because it was such a disaster. An argument could be made that the 22nd amendment, the one limiting presidential terms of office, restricts voter choice. If this amendment didn't exist, I think there is a good chance Clinton could have won a third term.

A third term for Clinton? (Shudder) There's a terrifying thought!

I hate to correct you, since I agree with everything else you said, but the 18th amendment, the liquor prohibition, restricted rights. Fortunately it was repealed, because it was such a disaster. An argument could be made that the 22nd amendment, the one limiting presidential terms of office, restricts voter choice. If this amendment didn't exist, I think there is a good chance Clinton could have won a third term.

Well, not being an expert on the US constitution, I will admit my mistake. I still think the ammendment is wrong.

Tell me, why do you hate him? And if you don't hate him, maybe you could offer an opinion on why so many people hate him.

1) He's homophobic
2) He sent us to war with spurious evidence to support such action.
3) He alienated us from several allies
4) He continues to support economic policies his father once dubbed "voodoo economics."
5) He is standing in the way of stem-cell research

Well, not being an expert on the US constitution, I will admit my mistake. I still think the ammendment is wrong.

I really wasn't trying to make you look bad. Hell, I know next to nothing about the Canadian constitution, except for the Constitution Act of 1982.

And yes, that amendment is wrong on so many levels.

Someone made a thread called "Top 5 reasons why you like/dislike George W Bush". It had many good posts, without much flaming. Find it.

And yes, that amendment is wrong on so many levels.

Is eight years just not a long enough time for one man to rule the nation? Perhaps you would prefer a life-term dictator?

Is eight years just not a long enough time for one man to rule the nation? Perhaps you would prefer a life-term dictator?
Actually, he was referring to the gay marriage ammendment.

Perhaps a better question would be: How can you NOT hate Bush?

I honestly cannot see a single positive thing that has come out of his administration. It's the most miserable failure of foreign policy and domestic policy I've ever seen or heard of in America's history.

Perhaps a better question would be: How can you NOT hate Bush?

I honestly cannot see a single positive thing that has come out of his administration. It's the most miserable failure of foreign policy and domestic policy I've ever seen or heard of in America's history.

I liked it when he stood up to China.

I think if it weren't for the U.S., China would be the big, bad bully that needs to be knocked down a peg or three.