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this thread is for pokemens and images of pokemans

Four Fiends
02-08-2004, 09:56
it is also for love :cool:
Monkeypimp
02-08-2004, 09:59
isn't the singular and plural 'Pokemon' ??

1 Pokemon
2 Pokemon
etc
Four Fiends
02-08-2004, 09:59
isn't the singular and plural 'Pokemon' ??

1 Pokemon
2 Pokemon
etc

get with it jerk :cool: are you sleeping out there, cause snorlax is ROFL LMBO (laughin my buns off)

http://img65.exs.cx/img65/5190/snorlax.gif
Sliders
02-08-2004, 10:00
get with it jerk :cool: are you sleeping out there, cause snorlax is ROFL LMBO (laughin my buns off)

http://img65.exs.cx/img65/5190/snorlax.gif
come celebrate my thousandth post pls
Four Fiends
02-08-2004, 10:01
come celebrate my thousandth post pls

come celebrate snorlax please also go to settings and turn on view images under options :)
Regime Change
02-08-2004, 12:26
and come to think of it I'm sure it's pokémon....
Brutanion
02-08-2004, 12:34
Charizard and Particle Man.
They have a fight, who wins?
Texastambul
02-08-2004, 12:53
This Japanes "cartoon" is a prime example of a mass media psychological operation against the youth. One episode of this "cartoon" caused over 700 confirmed cases of induced seizures in Japan. The reason? As stated in the American Journal of Psychiatry, rapid flashes of color and brighntess contrasts is a well known trigger for epilepsy. What isn't well known is that the spectical causes neurons to fire-off in the brains of anyone who watches, not just epileptics. (they are merely more acute to the effects)

Now, how many times have you seen rapid color/ brightness contrasts in "cartoons" like this one? One must wonder what the effect is on the brain of the children watching.
Furor Atlantis
02-08-2004, 13:17
*watches an episode of pokemon*
*doesnt faint, instead starts to hate anime*







*watches miyazaki hayao's Princess Mononoke*
*decides to recommend this movie to the general public*
Thunderland
02-08-2004, 14:51
The only reason to hate Pokemon is the fact that a pack of 9 of those cards cost 4 dollars. My son loves Pokemon and has a million cards....which he is now losing interest in because Yugi-Oh seems to be the next stage in the evolutionary chain up.

Brock is a wuss....

Nurse Joy and Officer Jenny both really annoy me....

Where the hell are all the cars?

Is Meowth the only Pokemon smart enough to figure out talking....sad considering he can't win a battle.

Why is it that everyone cowers at Pikachiu and he apparently can beat up 4 Pokemon and their trainers at one time....but he can't beat a sickly Raichu?

Lord have mercy...this is what having kids does to you. Questions like these start eroding your confidence that you were once an intelligent adult.
Terra - Domina
02-08-2004, 14:53
im a pokemon
Texastambul
02-08-2004, 15:31
My son loves Pokemon and has a million cards....which he is now losing interest in because Yugi-Oh seems to be the next

Lord have mercy...this is what having kids does to you. Questions like these start eroding your confidence that you were once an intelligent adult.


Do you watch Pokemon and Yugi-oh with your child? Notice that once about every three minutes (espically during battle) there is a sequence that involves a rapid sucession of red/blue transitions or flashs of brightness over darkness (think strobe light) This is the number one trigger for epilepse and causes the brain to undergo an electrical storm of misfiring neurons.

Have you watched the sceens where an image in the forefront of the sceen is in focus and still, while the backgroud moves about violently? Eyes instictively focus on the forefront but are simultaniously drawn to movement. In these sceens, the brain is confronted with two contradictory commands than cause synapse distress.

These shows are not just bad cartoons, they are actually very unhealthy.
Thunderland
02-08-2004, 16:04
Yes, I do watch the shows with my son. And while it is correct that seizures can occur, it is also a tad bit misleading. Generally, your seizure threshhold has to be a low enough level for that type of stimulus to trigger an episode. It is very rare for someone with a normal seizure threshhold to have an episode resulting from watching Pokemon or any of the other anime cartoons.

I would also say that Pokemon is one of the tamer anime shows in terms of background discord. You tend to see the type of anime you are talking about in the shows that target teen audiencs.
New Barnsdale
02-08-2004, 16:07
wtf pokemon is for kids i liked it when i was in 10-12???

anyway its allright.....
Texastambul
02-08-2004, 16:24
Yes, I do watch the shows with my son. And while it is correct that seizures can occur, it is also a tad bit misleading. Generally, your seizure threshhold has to be a low enough level for that type of stimulus to trigger an episode. It is very rare for someone with a normal seizure threshhold to have an episode resulting from watching Pokemon or any of the other anime cartoons.

Don't mistake the point for the mark! Have you ever heard of kids having seizures from watching Bugs Bunny? The fact that seizures occur for those with lower thresholds means that the effects-show is potentially dangerous for everyone! See, going into a seizure is just the most drastic level of what happens when people watch they show. Everyone who watches it experiences higher than safe levels of nuronic "feedback" and "misfires." Just because your kid isn't drooling on himself doesn't mean that there is no damage done.
Brutanion
02-08-2004, 17:17
Actually, the Japanese have always been fond of flashing lights and bright colours.
Look at their old battle dress and clothing in general.
It's generally only seen as a problem in Western countries where there's more of a taste for paler and more modest colours.
Thunderland
02-08-2004, 18:08
Don't mistake the point for the mark! Have you ever heard of kids having seizures from watching Bugs Bunny? The fact that seizures occur for those with lower thresholds means that the effects-show is potentially dangerous for everyone! See, going into a seizure is just the most drastic level of what happens when people watch they show. Everyone who watches it experiences higher than safe levels of nuronic "feedback" and "misfires." Just because your kid isn't drooling on himself doesn't mean that there is no damage done.

That's the whole problem. Its not just flashing backgrounds and dazzling images on the screen. Rapid movement, rapid changes in background, etc. are all contributing facets. And you can see each of these in nearly every cartoon you would chance on. In fact, you can also see those same types of images in nearly every programming you turn on. I won't bore you with the details, but the bottom line from all the studies is that while such things may contribute to a seizure occurring, it is not the sole factor. How intently someone is staring at the television can be equally as important. How close someone is to the set is an important factor. How large the screen is can be a factor. How bright or dark the room is can be a factor.

I can't recall seeing any studies that show that increased neural activity from watching cartoons is hazardous. If you could show me some of those studies I would be extremely interested in reading them over. I've seen the studies that specifically measured seizures but they don't address increased neural activity without the presence of a seizure. I'd love to see some more evidence, either pro or con. Can you point the way for me?
Texastambul
02-08-2004, 19:04
That's the whole problem. Its not just flashing backgrounds and dazzling images on the screen. Rapid movement, rapid changes in background, etc. are all contributing facets. And you can see each of these in nearly every cartoon you would chance on. In fact, you can also see those same types of images in nearly every programming you turn on. I won't bore you with the details, but the bottom line from all the studies is that while such things may contribute to a seizure occurring, it is not the sole factor. How intently someone is staring at the television can be equally as important. How close someone is to the set is an important factor. How large the screen is can be a factor. How bright or dark the room is can be a factor.

All very true, which is why I believe that these "cartoons" are involved in more than just making entertainment. Consider the decreased attention-spans and increases in dslyexia, could this type of programing be at the root of these ills?

I can't recall seeing any studies that show that increased neural activity from watching cartoons is hazardous. If you could show me some of those studies I would be extremely interested in reading them over. I've seen the studies that specifically measured seizures but they don't address increased neural activity without the presence of a seizure. I'd love to see some more evidence, either pro or con. Can you point the way for me?

yes, but I'll have to find it... check this post for an update.
Thunderland
02-08-2004, 21:10
Thanks, much appreciated.
Letila
02-08-2004, 21:31
Do you watch Pokemon and Yugi-oh with your child? Notice that once about every three minutes (espically during battle) there is a sequence that involves a rapid sucession of red/blue transitions or flashs of brightness over darkness (think strobe light) This is the number one trigger for epilepse and causes the brain to undergo an electrical storm of misfiring neurons.

Have you watched the sceens where an image in the forefront of the sceen is in focus and still, while the backgroud moves about violently? Eyes instictively focus on the forefront but are simultaniously drawn to movement. In these sceens, the brain is confronted with two contradictory commands than cause synapse distress.

These shows are not just bad cartoons, they are actually very unhealthy.

I watch anime almost everyday and I don't suffer from seizures or brain damage. I think reality TV is far worse for you. The Pokémon thing was a fluke. I suggest you watch other anime and tell me that it has those same features.
Texastambul
04-08-2004, 08:14
Thanks, much appreciated.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990601080722.htm

Flickering lights such as strobe lights or even the images on a television or video screen are well known as triggers for epileptic seizures. Patients who experience such seizures are said to suffer from photosensitive epilepsy.

Rapid light/dark changes or alternating high-contrast patterns cause nerve cells in the brain to fire electrical impulses more rapidly than usual. In people with photosensitive epilepsy, the resulting "electrical storm" in the brain can lead to muscular convulsions or loss of consciousness.

http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive5.htm

A new study appearing in the April issue of Pediatrics concludes that children who watch television experience shortened attention spans and considerably enhances the chances, based on number of hours of television watched, of developing ADDs (attention deficit disorders) later on in life. The American Academy of Pediatrics has recommended that children under the age of two not watch television and this new study seems to validate such a recommendation.

According to Dr. Dimitri Christakis, a researcher at Children's Hospital and Regional Medical Center in Seattle, fast paced visual images most typically seen on television could alter normal brain development.

Thanks, much appreciated.
Texastambul
05-08-2004, 05:52
My speculation is that rapid electical impulses caused by the color-contrast light/dark and rapid-background-movement "special effects" have a lasting impact on developing brains. While the danger is most obvious to epileptics (in whom they cause seizures) it would be nieve to think that non-epileptics have nothing to worry about. Since these "special effects" cause neurons to fire electrial impulses at rates higher than normal in everybody, it is probable that less visable damage is being done. This would help account for the increased cases of AD(H)D and other mental health problems. Children that are already naturally hyper-active are now having their nuerons shaken-up on a daily bases...

One has to wonder if the Pharmacutial Companies are behind the imporation of cartoons like Yu-Gui-oh and Pokemon?
Colodia
05-08-2004, 05:55
There was one Pokemon episode aired in Japan in which there was a blue/purple flashing. It caused many, many Japanese kids to have seizures and getting sent to the hospital. Thankfully, it was never aired in America for fear that the higher population will cause more kids to be hospitalized and the sheer idiocity of airing this episode again.
Letila
05-08-2004, 06:02
One has to wonder if the Pharmacutial Companies are behind the imporation of cartoons like Yu-Gui-oh and Pokemon?

Stop being stupid! You are not going to get ADD from watching Cowboy Bebop! You aren't even going to get it from watching Trigun, which tends to have very stylized animation at times, even for anime. Pokémon and Yu-gi-oh are not in any way representative of anime. Am I going to have to make a webpage on my site explaining this?
Zyzyx Road
05-08-2004, 06:30
electabuzz is where its at with two turn tables and a microphone
Texastambul
05-08-2004, 06:31
Stop being stupid! You are not going to get ADD from watching Cowboy Bebop! You aren't even going to get it from watching Trigun, which tends to have very stylized animation at times, even for anime. Pokémon and Yu-gi-oh are not in any way representative of anime. Am I going to have to make a webpage on my site explaining this?

I've been quite specific and only mentioned to Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh... I've never even mentioned the genera of "anime," so I'm not really sure what the hell your bitching about -- if you want to make a webpage to explain that there are different types of cartoons and/or "anime" then be my guest -- but I've been quite specific in mentioning the types of special-effects I believe are hazardous (based on scientific fact and logical speculation) and I've only named two cartoons that employ them (although there are probably scores of them.)

That fact that you have missed my entire point and admit to watching alot of "anime" is a very interesting coincidence....
Lunatic Goofballs
05-08-2004, 06:33
That fact that you have missed my entire point and admit to watching alot of "anime" is a very interesting coincidence....

Hehehe :D
Letila
05-08-2004, 06:51
I've been quite specific and only mentioned to Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh... I've never even mentioned the genera of "anime," so I'm not really sure what the hell your bitching about -- if you want to make a webpage to explain that there are different types of cartoons and/or "anime" then be my guest -- but I've been quite specific in mentioning the types of special-effects I believe are hazardous (based on scientific fact and logical speculation) and I've only named two cartoons that employ them (although there are probably scores of them.)

First of all, stop using "cartoon" and "anime" interchangibly. They aren't the same thing. Anime is on a whole other level compared to cartoons.

Second, your arguments would apply to other anime as many employ these features to varying extents.

That fact that you have missed my entire point and admit to watching alot of "anime" is a very interesting coincidence....

Compared to many people, I haven't seen very much at all. There are people who have seen dozens of anime series and movies. I haven't even seen Ghost in the Shell or Neo Genesis Evangelion. I suggest you talk to some of the anime fans who have watched a huge number of anime and see whether they have had any seizures.
Texastambul
05-08-2004, 07:03
First of all, stop using "cartoon" and "anime" interchangibly. They aren't the same thing. Anime is on a whole other level compared to cartoons.

www.m-w.com (webster's on-line)

Main Entry: an·i·ma·tion
Pronunciation: "a-n&-'mA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : the act of animating : the state of being animate or animated
2 a : a motion picture made by photographing successive positions of inanimate objects (as puppets or mechanical parts) b : ANIMATED CARTOON 1
3 : the preparation of animated cartoons

Main Entry: an·i·me
Pronunciation: 'a-n&-"mA, 'ä-nE-
Function: noun
Etymology: Japanese, animation, short for animEshiyon, from English
: a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterized by stark colorful graphics depicting vibrant characters in action-filled plots often with fantastic or futuristic themes

Main Entry: animated cartoon
Function: noun
1 : a motion picture made from a series of drawings simulating motion by means of slight progressive changes in the drawings
2 : ANIMATION 2a

Second, your arguments would apply to other anime as many employ these features to varying extents.

Yes...

Compared to many people, I haven't seen very much at all. There are people who have seen dozens of anime series and movies. I haven't even seen Ghost in the Shell or Neo Genesis Evangelion.

so even just a little can cause this... it's worse than I thought...


I suggest you talk to some of the anime fans who have watched a huge number of anime and see whether they have had any seizures.

again with the point... and the missing of it...
Letila
05-08-2004, 07:21
Main Entry: an·i·ma·tion
Pronunciation: "a-n&-'mA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : the act of animating : the state of being animate or animated
2 a : a motion picture made by photographing successive positions of inanimate objects (as puppets or mechanical parts) b : ANIMATED CARTOON 1
3 : the preparation of animated cartoons

Main Entry: an·i·me
Pronunciation: 'a-n&-"mA, 'ä-nE-
Function: noun
Etymology: Japanese, animation, short for animEshiyon, from English
: a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterized by stark colorful graphics depicting vibrant characters in action-filled plots often with fantastic or futuristic themes

Main Entry: animated cartoon
Function: noun
1 : a motion picture made from a series of drawings simulating motion by means of slight progressive changes in the drawings
2 : ANIMATION 2a

To an anime fan, they are different. Let's just say that. It's just like how anarchism means something different to anarchists, really.

so even just a little can cause this... it's worse than I thought...

Hardly. Anime has given me new perspectives that I would never have considered. After watching Trigun and Gundam SEED, I learned a lot from the pacifist views espouced by Vash and and GS characters caught in the war.

Gundam SEED really drove home the issue of human GE. Before I watched it, I never considered the issue in any real depth. I just ignored it as a fringe notion. But Gundam SEED forced me to consider it and showed me a likely result (a nasty race war).

My experiences from anime have been nothing but positive, except for Dragon Ball GT and Vandread, which I didn't like very much. I can't say it has done anything harmful to me. If it was harmful, then why is Japan so advanced technologically? (let's not argue over whether technology is a good thing for now)

again with the point... and the missing of it...

Your point is that anime, in particular two anime that happen to be very popular, cause seizures. My rebuttal is that it never seems to happen to hardcore anime fans (otaku as they are sometimes called).
Texastambul
05-08-2004, 07:42
Your point is that anime, in particular two anime that happen to be very popular, cause seizures. My rebuttal is that it never seems to happen to hardcore anime fans (otaku as they are sometimes called).


JESUS CHRIST! KID, TRY READING MY POSTS!!


it would be nieve to think that non-epileptics have nothing to worry about. Since these "special effects" cause neurons to fire electrial impulses at rates higher than normal in everybody, it is probable that less visable damage is being done. This would help account for the increased cases of AD(H)D and other mental health problems.
Letila
05-08-2004, 07:46
it would be nieve to think that non-epileptics have nothing to worry about. Since these "special effects" cause neurons to fire electrial impulses at rates higher than normal in everybody, it is probable that less visable damage is being done. This would help account for the increased cases of AD(H)D and other mental health problems.

Who watches more anime? A five year old who has never even heard of Japan or a twenty year old with 20 GB of fansubbed anime on his computer? Nuff said.
Texastambul
05-08-2004, 08:01
Who watches more anime? A five year old who has never even heard of Japan or a twenty year old with 20 GB of fansubbed anime on his computer? Nuff said.

You're TWENTY!?
Letila
05-08-2004, 08:04
You're TWENTY!?

No, actually. That was an example. As much as I'd like to, I could never download 20 GB of anime. My internet connection is simply too slow.