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*these are the only people who ever prosper with a Bush in the White House. If someone can find a better example then this of republican class warfare economics in action id like to see it

Average CEO Income Up 22 Percent
The average total income for CEOs at the country's top 500 companies increased by 22 percent in 2003 -- double the increase of the previous year. CEOs at four companies -- Oracle, Apple, Yahoo and Colgate -- received 1000 percent increases in income. Meanwhile new data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that the average U.S .income has decreased for two years in a row for the first time since World War II.

www.democracynow.org

You're partisan but i decided to come in this one. What does bush get out of helping Yahoo? Advertisement maybe?

*these are the only people who ever prosper with a Bush in the White House. If someone can find a better example then this of republican class warfare economics in action id like to see it

Average CEO Income Up 22 Percent
The average total income for CEOs at the country's top 500 companies increased by 22 percent in 2003 -- double the increase of the previous year. CEOs at four companies -- Oracle, Apple, Yahoo and Colgate -- received 1000 percent increases in income. Meanwhile new data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that the average U.S .income has decreased for two years in a row for the first time since World War II.

www.democracynow.org

Yeah like a president ever signs the paychecks for those companies, or calls companies telling the bosses to lower the wages for their workers. I have a big roll of aluminum foil if you want it!

You're partisan but i decided to come in this one. What does bush get out of helping Yahoo? Advertisement maybe?
yeah-Bush will help anyone as along as their rich. Im also Italian of true latin descent

Yeah like a president ever signs the paychecks for those companies, or calls companies telling the bosses to lower the wages for their workers. I have a big roll of aluminum foil if you want it!
Bush said that outsourcing was good and Bush encorages class warfare against the american workers--of course the only people who will prosper from Bushs trickle down corporate welfare system is people who dont do anything at all but hurt the overall economy

Arrow,
Let me clue you in on something.

You post these links, and quotes all the time.

They are so far out in the left, that no one buys them anymore.
They see that its YOU posting them, and everyone thinks "Oh its from mkultra/red arrow....its all bullshit.

So..even when you post something that is actually 100% true...

no one will believe it.

Becuase your the one posting it.

So..your doing more harm than good.

Arrow,
Let me clue you in on something.

You post these links, and quotes all the time.

They are so far out in the left, that no one buys them anymore.
They see that its YOU posting them, and everyone thinks "Oh its from mkultra/red arrow....its all bullshit.

So..even when you post something that is actually 100% true...

no one will believe it.

Becuase your the one posting it.

So..your doing more harm than good.
You are wrong. Thanks for posting that Mkultra. Alas, I already knew that Bush is a rich fatass who literally hands his corporate buddies the billions of dollars for free.

Arrow,
Let me clue you in on something.

You post these links, and quotes all the time.

They are so far out in the left, that no one buys them anymore.
They see that its YOU posting them, and everyone thinks "Oh its from mkultra/red arrow....its all bullshit.

So..even when you post something that is actually 100% true...

no one will believe it.

Becuase your the one posting it.

So..your doing more harm than good.

Yeh don't turn this into a flamewar, I'd value his opinion tenfold over yours, you Republican.

Yeh don't turn this into a flamewar, I'd value his opinion tenfold over yours, you Republican.


Roffle!

Backwards, you can respond to this, I'll just sit here laughing.

Bush said that outsourcing was good and Bush encorages class warfare against the american workers--of course the only people who will prosper from Bushs trickle down corporate welfare system is people who dont do anything at all but hurt the overall economy

Clinton encouraged outsourcing as well with a little bill called NAFTA. This increase US outsourcing far before Bush ever went into the white house. But lets look at outsourcing shall we. Anyone who wants to pay union workers in the form of a $90 t-shirt raise their hands? Having lower end products made in other countries makes economic sense. And since the majority of these companies higher end managment and HQ remain in the US the US still profits on GNP.
Even beyond this I would not say outsourcing is a bad thing. The market adapts to outsourcing. For instance during the early NAFTA years 2.3 million jobs went into Mexico in the form of industry jobs and textile work. The net benefit to US was somewhere around one million new jobs in the first few quarters. A good example of jobs being created by outsourcing is importing steel refined in other countries. This in turn booms the auto manufacturing centers, aerospace and other sectors. Jobs aren't created in a vacuum you need to enter the world stage with good deals for trade partners.
Consider Kerry on outsourcing and his "respected in the world argument". I find this overly dumb because by cutting all avenues to outsourcing he will violate WTO anti-tariff/non-tariff laws and piss off a whole lot of other countries. Kind of like what Bush did with his tariffs on steel. He put tariffs on steel and there was a net loss in jobs on the steel using industries. So Kerry will lead to less job growth in the long run. If you bastardize business and try to use protectionism you only lose more and more jobs.

Then again if you believe Clinton was just another republican in crazed economic monkey clothes you would probly be right. Bring some more "democrats" to the white house like him.

Yeh don't turn this into a flamewar, I'd value his opinion tenfold over yours, you Republican.


Umm..your new here arent you?

Im most certainly NOT a republican.

Im a liberal independant, and even I find a lot of what Red says to be far fetched.

Anything in America that stands against Corporations or the Government, or is deemed 'unpatriotic - is instantly assumed to be far fetched - read Media Control.

And no, I'm not new here.

Anything in America that stands against Corporations or the Government, or is deemed 'unpatriotic - is instantly assumed to be far fetched - read Media Control.

And no, I'm not new here.


You must be.

If you werent you'd know how often Red posts these kinds of things, each one sounding even more far fetched than the other.

As a liberal, I know that many of them are in fact, true...

BUT...Red is trying to convince others of them too.

Problem is.....he's "cried wolf " so often..that not many people are willing to listen to what he has to say anymore.

Anything in America that stands against Corporations or the Government, or is deemed 'unpatriotic - is instantly assumed to be far fetched - read Media Control.

And no, I'm not new here.


http://www.shout.net/~bigred/tinfoil.jpg

Well, seeing as Chomsky backs up every point he makes with researched fact - I don't think the old tin foil routine works here. Its like what he says:

"You can either echo what the Government says on the topic of War, or point out radical flaws with thier argument but still sound like your from Mars."

Well, seeing as Chomsky backs up every point he makes with researched fact - I don't think the old tin foil routine works here. Its like what he says:

"You can either echo what the Government says on the topic of War, or point out radical flaws with thier argument but still sound like your from Mars."


Or you could, you know, debate intellegently and prove your point.

Sorry Chomsky, but...the world doesn't hate you :p

Well, seeing as Chomsky backs up every point he makes with researched fact - I don't think the old tin foil routine works here. Its like what he says:

"You can either echo what the Government says on the topic of War, or point out radical flaws with thier argument but still sound like your from Mars."



Thats very true.

I like what red tries to do..but hes a little too aggressive in the way he does it.
He turns away potential listeners, by the sheer number of his posts like thisd one.

But as to your quote.....is true..look at the way the NeoCons hate Micheal Moore.

Or you could, you know, debate intellegently and prove your point.


Basically what he does, if it came down to a choice of believing the Bush Administration or Noam Chomsky - I know who I would put my trust in. Mostly because the Bush Administration doesn't do the above.

For the record, the tin foil hat thing was in reference to you saying that nobody believes anything that anti-government/corporation/"un-patriotic."

Yeah, there's stupid people out there, but there's a lot of intellegent ones too. There's no big conspiracy.

Bush said that outsourcing was good and Bush encorages class warfare against the american workers--of course the only people who will prosper from Bushs trickle down corporate welfare system is people who dont do anything at all but hurt the overall economy

Yes but how does that mean that he is raising salaries of the CEO's but lowering the poor's wages? I thought you were talking about him personally doing it. Be more precise next time, lame brain!

You are wrong. Thanks for posting that Mkultra. Alas, I already knew that Bush is a rich fatass who literally hands his corporate buddies the billions of dollars for free.

Sorry tutz, but every president does this. Get over it or get used to it.

Sorry tutz, but every president does this. Get over it or get used to it.
Naw. I'll never get "over it" and i'll also never get "used to it". Its a shame that presidents take the liberty to abuse their position to that degree. A president's job is to lead the country properlyand not to make his corporate buddies richer by exploiting the people or federal finances.

Thats very true.

I like what red tries to do..but hes a little too aggressive in the way he does it.
He turns away potential listeners, by the sheer number of his posts like thisd one.

But as to your quote.....is true..look at the way the NeoCons hate Micheal Moore.

I'm no neocon, but I hate Michael Moore. His films (esp Bowling ) are so freaking untrue, esp when he said in a cartoon format that the NRA and the KKK were formed to protect whites from the blacks. He is such a fat retard, I don't know how anyone can honestly believe him with such a moronic way of spinning the "facts". Like how he time edited the Heston interview, or put together two different speeches and made them one. Such a big man, I hope he chokes on his next greasy burger, or his arteries clog and he suffers a massive heart attack while yelling "Shame on you, shame on you!"

Be more precise next time, lame brain!

Yeh man, or me and cletus will come down and rough you up for insulting the prez. The prez is more patriotic than the other candidates and that is the only factor that counts in american elections so i will vote for him. wat have corporations eva done to you???? they are well cool and microsoft is well cool and so are nike dont you like buying microsoft products????? and looking at pictures of bill gates house i bet he is a cool guy!!!!!!

I'm no neocon, but I hate Michael Moore. His films (esp Bowling ) are so freaking untrue, esp when he said in a cartoon format that the NRA and the KKK were formed to protect whites from the blacks. He is such a fat retard, I don't know how anyone can honestly believe him with such a moronic way of spinning the "facts". Like how he time edited the Heston interview, or put together two different speeches and made them one. Such a big man, I hope he chokes on his next greasy burger, or his arteries clog and he suffers a massive heart attack while yelling "Shame on you, shame on you!"

I hope Al Qaeda kill your President by setting his face on fire, but there you go.

Thats very true.

I like what red tries to do..but hes a little too aggressive in the way he does it.
He turns away potential listeners, by the sheer number of his posts like thisd one.

But as to your quote.....is true..look at the way the NeoCons hate Micheal Moore.

Michael Moore is a big, fat idiot. His so called "documentaries" are filled with so many factual errors, and sloppy editing, it's a wonder that they can even be classified as film. I've seen better film on teeth! I hope Moore chokes on his next burger.

I hope Al Qaeda kill your President by setting his face on fire, but there you go.

Nice command of the English language, but there you go. You and Moore can both suffer from the horrors of chronic obesity.

No.... Unfortunately I'm quite slim. But I wouldn't hold it against Moore just because he is fat, I just don't believe he is that good at researching facts. I prefer Chomsky because you can't dispute the mans facts.

Yeh man, or me and cletus will come down and rough you up for insulting the prez. The prez is more patriotic than the other candidates and that is the only factor that counts in american elections so i will vote for him. wat have corporations eva done to you???? they are well cool and microsoft is well cool and so are nike dont you like buying microsoft products????? and looking at pictures of bill gates house i bet he is a cool guy!!!!!!

Yes but I guess when someone is as "cool" as you are, they don't have to worry about that third chin. I bet you have more chins then Chinatown????

No.... Unfortunately I'm quite slim. But I wouldn't hold it against Moore just because he is fat, I just don't believe he is that good at researching facts. I prefer Chomsky because you can't dispute the mans facts.

What fact's?

BTW if you're slim then I must be that evil Haliburton.

Umm..your new here arent you?

Im most certainly NOT a republican.

Im a liberal independant, and even I find a lot of what Red says to be far fetched.
Hey Backwoods you, you, you Republican you. LMAO

What fact's?

For example, The US never intended to back down from War footing - as a US Diplomat said. "We don't want the UN to think that we are going here to get jurisdiction to declare War from them, regardless of the decision made we will make our own choices."

And as for your obsession with fat people, I'm a 16 year old European. Don't you find it ironic that a 20 something American like you is accusing me of being fat? Oh wait Americans don't get irony do they. :D

Anyone who wants to pay union workers in the form of a $90 t-shirt raise their hands?

There are plenty of union made t-shirts in the US that aren't $90. The profitability of the clothing industry is incredibly high.

I heard somewhere British CEOs make pennies compared to American ones, whats up with that?

(I'm to lazy to look it up again, have fun with this)

Yeh, British CEO's don't earn as much.

yeah-Bush will help anyone as along as their rich. Im also Italian of true latin descent
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I'm glad to hear this. If your nation is the same, come join my region. If ou want war, i'll find a nazi nation and we can crush them for their crimes against Italians in WW2.

I also run a small Italiano group. MARZULLO stands for everything Italian, including the roman times.

Bush is an ass.

There are plenty of union made t-shirts in the US that aren't $90. The profitability of the clothing industry is incredibly high.

Name one... and how is it thats the only attack you Noam Chomsky people can make? Oh wait you spend all your time reading Chompsky instead of actually knowing something about a real life economy. Sorry I don't read anti-semitic garbage like you do Chomsky better get back to his jew hating drivel.

And as for your obsession with fat people, I'm a 16 year old European.

That answers a few questions. ;)

Nice command of the English language, but there you go. You and Moore can both suffer from the horrors of chronic obesity.
well your buddy Rush got out of going to nam cause he had a boil on his lard ass so I bet Rush will choke to death on his own lies way before Moore chokes on a burger

That answers a few questions. ;)
I thought you had to go to work

What fact's?

BTW if you're slim then I must be that evil Haliburton.
well you do seem to have the same bloodthirsty values as Halliburton

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I'm glad to hear this. If your nation is the same, come join my region. If ou want war, i'll find a nazi nation and we can crush them for their crimes against Italians in WW2.
TG me

I also run a small Italiano group. MARZULLO stands for everything Italian, including the roman times.
morte ai francesca italia avant

Name one... and how is it thats the only attack you Noam Chomsky people can make? Oh wait you spend all your time reading Chompsky instead of actually knowing something about a real life economy. Sorry I don't read anti-semitic garbage like you do Chomsky better get back to his jew hating drivel.
Chomsky doesnt hate Jews he hates zionist racists

*these are the only people who ever prosper with a Bush in the White House. If someone can find a better example then this of republican class warfare economics in action id like to see it

Average CEO Income Up 22 Percent
The average total income for CEOs at the country's top 500 companies increased by 22 percent in 2003 -- double the increase of the previous year. CEOs at four companies -- Oracle, Apple, Yahoo and Colgate -- received 1000 percent increases in income. Meanwhile new data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that the average U.S .income has decreased for two years in a row for the first time since World War II.

www.democracynow.org

I would have to say your data is flawed, particularly considering the selective nature of it. You should try being more thorough.

Try this one:

http://www.faireconomy.org/research/CEO_Pay_charts.html

Though in the 90s CEO pay increased dramatically, as of 2002 it is off 50% from its high point in 2000, meanwhile worker pay has steadily increased, at a rate greater than inflation, and corporate profits have been basically flat since 97.

According to this data it seems CEOs and corporations fared much better during the prior admin, while workers pay has not been negatively impacted at all.

I got the last word? It was that easy??

Not even a flame?

What has become of NS??