NationStates Jolt Archive

Yeah, too bad the Senate would have to also pass it and THEN get it past a veto. With numbers that close that is unlikely. So really it is a pointless argument at this time. Still, the VA is a mess and could be closed down completely.


yeah I just meant your argument was about presidential help for our troops and he came back with how the house was trying to reduce VA hospital funding

Just wanted to point out that his was about the house not the president

And how is this a witch hunt when he clearly violated Military Regs?
well this one case may be legit but this is the first legit case of it after 4 years of Bush going on pogroms against whoever dared to utter one word of protest against his sick and evil agenda--Bush even committed a felony by revealing the name of one of his critics CIA wifes identity. By doing this Bush caused an intelligence agent to get assassinated in Pakistan

well this one case may be legit but this is the first legit case of it after 4 years of Bush going on pogroms against whoever dared to utter one word of protest against his sick and evil agenda--Bush even committed a felony by revealing the name of one of his critics CIA wifes identity. By doing this Bush caused an intelligence agent to get assassinated in Pakistan

Really? Proof that Bush did this? I see so much anti-Bush stuff on here that is just NOT true, it is hard to find the truth in all the conspiracies.

I am not anti-soldier. ... People like you are the worst of humanity... You are repugnant.You're a lying troll. Which anti war group are you with?

Morality has nothing to do with the UCMJ. It is an ammoral document. It ONLY applies to a limited number of people who VOLUNTEER to fall under it's requirements.We're getting into the realms of philosophy now but would you concur that any legal document created by mortal minds is going to fall into the realm of mortal morality?

On your other point, I believe it is immoral to make someone who is joining the army in the belief they are defending their country sign away their civilian rights in order to do so.

Do you accept that no-one is questioning the legality of this decision?

I do, but I limit myself to only those that I know about. But I am basing this on what you have said. I accept you disagree with my views. Do you accept mine are entirely logically consistent with what I've also said about the UK army?

Military personnel do not give up ANY rights, there are just limitations placed on them. For instance...a military person can protest whatever he likes at the gates of his own base as long as he is in civilian clothes. Then he can put his uniform on and go to work as usual. Had this marine been in civilian clotes, he could have called Bush whatever name he wanted and said whatever he wanted to, but IN uniform he cannot because he is then seen as REPRESENTING the Marines. THATS where the limitations come in, but there is no denying of any rights.The difference between giving up rights and having limitations placed on you strikes me as largely a matter of semantics. A doctor may give interviews on medical matters in a white coat, a construction worker or a nurse need not take their uniform to do the same. Politicians constantly parade their military experience to increase their credentials. Why should a serving soldier not do the same? While you may respect my views less because I'm a 'civvy' I think you'd be hardpressed to demonstrate that they would make the army unworkable in practice.

well this one case may be legit but this is the first legit case of it after 4 years of Bush going on pogroms against whoever dared to utter one word of protest against his sick and evil agenda

Im not being antagonistic but besides the cia wife are there any more sources or links or news on some of the “ongoning programs” (I am guessing you meant program)

Just curious … seems very conspiracy theory like

AS a Veteran, and a disabled veteran at that, I KNOW that the vast MAJORITY of veterans DO NOT use the VA anyway. I would NEVER use the VA as long as I had another choice. NO amount of spending is going to change that.
why

Really? Proof that Bush did this? I see so much anti-Bush stuff on here that is just NOT true, it is hard to find the truth in all the conspiracies.
the Valerie Plame case is proof of it-the PATTERN of Bush trying to assassinate and smear anyone who freely expresses themselfs exposes Bush as the Orwellian Dictator that he is

We're getting into the realms of philosophy now but would you concur that any legal document created by mortal minds is going to fall into the realm of mortal morality?

Agreed

On your other point, I believe it is immoral to make someone who is joining the army in the belief they are defending their country sign away their civilian rights in order to do so.

Noone signs away their civilian rights, they just enter into a different set of rules. Again, this is made known beforehand and is not a surprise to anyone who VOLUNTEERS to searve.

Do you accept that no-one is questioning the legality of this decision?

Some are, but you are not.

But I am basing this on what you have said. I accept you disagree with my views. Do you accept mine are entirely logically consistent with what I've also said about the UK army?

Yes. I do not know much about the UK military, even after having been stationed in the UK for 4 years.

The difference between giving up rights and having limitations placed on you strikes me as largely a matter of semantics. A doctor may give interviews on medical matters in a white coat, a construction worker or a nurse need not take their uniform to do the same. Politicians constantly parade their military experience to increase their credentials. Why should a serving soldier not do the same? While you may respect my views less because I'm a 'civvy' I think you'd be hardpressed to demonstrate that they would make the army unworkable in practice.

Well, thats the way it works. When in uniform you are limited to what you can and cannot do. When out of uniform you can do as you please. Thats just the way it is, military personnel here are held to a higher standard. It is perfectly legal for me to go to a bar and get totally smashed and make an ass of myself if I want. Should I be able to do so while in uniform? No, it is against local directives to be in an establishment that has the primary funtion of serving alcohol while in uniform. Thats the rule...so take some civilian clothes with you to work and change before going to the bar. ;)

Really? Proof that Bush did this? I see so much anti-Bush stuff on here that is just NOT true, it is hard to find the truth in all the conspiracies.It's an allegation (and actually concerns Bushes cheif strategist rather then Bush himself) but this is a source I hope you'll accept as neutral:

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=723&id=1088252003

why

Because the VA is a joke. The doctors are sub-standard government employees. The treatment in the VA is again, sub-standard. I can get an appointment with my Dr. in a day or two. With the VA, it might be 6 weeks before they can see me. This is not the fault of Bush, it has been that way for decades.

the Valerie Plame case is proof of it-the PATTERN of Bush trying to assassinate and smear anyone who freely expresses themselfs exposes Bush as the Orwellian Dictator that he is

You really cant make a pattern out of ONE! Its not really a pattern … just an isolated incident (regardless of the severity)

It's an allegation (and actually concerns Bushes cheif strategist rather then Bush himself) but this is a source I hope you'll accept as neutral:

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=723&id=1088252003

I already knew about that...but what about the agent killed in Pakistan? Where did THAT come from...and since the article did not say that BUSH leaked the info, how is he linked to it other than the guy works for him?

Im not being antagonistic but besides the cia wife are there any more sources or links or news on some of the “ongoning programs” (I am guessing you meant program)

Just curious … seems very conspiracy theory like
Valerie Plame, Edward Wilson, Scott Ritter, Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, John Kerry,Sean Penn, Whoopi Goldberg, Linda Ronstadt, Howard Dean, Howard Stern,Phil Donahue,Michael Moore,Al Franken, Jessica Lynch, the Dixie Chicks,France,Sibel Edmonds and Im sure many many faceless others who saw the evil and corruption in this administration and who raised their voices against it were all smeared by the same GOP character assassination apparatus headed by Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch

Valerie Plame, Edward Wilson, Scott Ritter, Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, John Kerry,Sean Penn, Whoopi Goldberg, Linda Ronstadt, Howard Dean, Howard Stern,Phil Donahue,Michael Moore,Al Franken, Jessica Lynch, the Dixie Chicks,France,Sibel Edmonds and Im sure many many faceless others who saw the evil and corruption in this administration and who raised their voices against it were all smeared by the same GOP character assassination apparatus headed by Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch

MKULTRA, get really man really. You have absolutely nothing and this has no benefit on this thread.

Valerie Plame, Edward Wilson, Scott Ritter, Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, John Kerry,Sean Penn, Whoopi Goldberg, Linda Ronstadt, Howard Dean, Howard Stern,Phil Donahue,Michael Moore,Al Franken, Jessica Lynch, the Dixie Chicks,France,Sibel Edmonds and Im sure many many faceless others who saw the evil and corruption in this administration and who raised their voices against it were all smeared by the same GOP character assassination apparatus headed by Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch

You have GOT to be kidding right?

You have GOT to be kidding right?

He isn't! This is what he does all the time Biff even when proven wrong.

Uh, wow, this thread got posts FAST. Here's my $0.02.

While not actually in the military, I spent three years in ROTC learning that it wasn't the place for me :p. However, though I disliked it, I'll be honest-I did learn quite a few things, most of them good. So the military isn't horribleevilawfulOMGitssobad.

Obviously people will badmouth whoever's in charge. That's a simple pleasure and we all know it. However, one obviously does it IN PRIVATE. It's made very clear that if they find out, you are in the cacky.


Now, how can one question the morality of an amoral document? It's simple. If he broke the laws, he gets punished. If not, he doesn't. There's no morality here to discuss. Maybe this punishment was pushed harder because the guy had the idiocy to do it on a movie.


On the other hand, knowing Moore's tactics, for all we know the guy didn't realize it would be such a big production. I lean left, but I'll agree anyday that Moore is a sensationalist with very questionale tactics.



As for rights and uniforms and such, here's a word for you: discipline. It's what keeps the military together. If you don't have it, you don't have crap. Now I have a job, and I'm expected to look a certain way while at work. I'm also expected to ACT a certain way-that means no talking crap to or about customers. Well, no talking crap about customers in ear shot of them :D.

The thing is, most of the rules are in place for a very good reason, and you are made quite aware of them when signing up. A few of my friends from high school have joined the service, and they knew damn well what they were getting themselves into.

As for some people not being able to make it-as it's been said, they get weeded out.


As for politicians using military experience, or other proffesions interviewing in their job clothing, there's a big difference. Politicans do anything to increase their chances of winning whatever they want; cie'st la vie. The thing about saying something in military uniform, is that it DOES represent the entire armed forces.

Because the VA is a joke. The doctors are sub-standard government employees. The treatment in the VA is again, sub-standard. I can get an appointment with my Dr. in a day or two. With the VA, it might be 6 weeks before they can see me. This is not the fault of Bush, it has been that way for decades.
then the VA should be punished

He isn't! This is what he does all the time Biff even when proven wrong.

Wow. How does someone become so ill informed? I mean really, this thread started off on the wrong footing since Rumsfeld will have NOTHING to do with any punishment this Marine receives. The unit commander will take care of that.

You really cant make a pattern out of ONE! Its not really a pattern … just an isolated incident (regardless of the severity)
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I'm in the military, and we get classes on this stuff from JAG.

It is against the UCMJ to take part in any cause while in uniform.

Toys for tots isn't a cause, it's a charity program. Getting interviewed about military actions by the press is not taking part in a cause it's getting interviewed.

What's so hard to understand?
So... the interview with Moore was ok?

You believe that?



Now that you actually know the definition of "documentary", do you still think Moore's slop was truly a documentary?
Well, thats not how people in the movie buisness define it.

That list of America bashing sleazeballs were smeared by their own actions.

Karl Rove nor Rupert Murdoch told me what to think. Hell, I don't know either of them.

But I do know when I see highschool dropout entertainers use their limelight to bash my country, the same country thats been so good to them, they are beneath contempt.

It's a multi billion dollar GOP character assassination apparatus, right. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

He isn't! This is what he does all the time Biff even when proven wrong.
LOL just opposing what I say isnt proof

then the VA should be punished

Wow, he made a correct statement. The VA SHOULD be changed away from PROVIDING healthcare to PAYING for it. it would be MUCH cheaper to allow veterans to use a local Dr. and have it paid for by the VA than it is running all those hospitals.

Wow. How does someone become so ill informed? I mean really, this thread started off on the wrong footing since Rumsfeld will have NOTHING to do with any punishment this Marine receives. The unit commander will take care of that.
you sound brainwashed by the military industrial complex :mp5:

LOL just opposing what I say isnt proof

No but I presented Proof on Richard Clarke. You still told me I was wrong, thus you can't admit defeat. I've defeated you in most arguements and you still haven't admitted defeat thus your incapable of admitting defeat!

you sound brainwashed by the military industrial complex :mp5:

No just another person that is more informed than you!

Wow, he made a correct statement. The VA SHOULD be changed away from PROVIDING healthcare to PAYING for it. it would be MUCH cheaper to allow veterans to use a local Dr. and have it paid for by the VA than it is running all those hospitals.
true

you sound brainwashed by the military industrial complex :mp5:

Well, you have not made many correct assumptions in this thread. Do you think that every soldier that violates the UCMJ is punished by Rumsfeld? If that were the case, thats ALL the man would be doing all day. :rolleyes:

No but I presented Proof on Richard Clarke. You still told me I was wrong, thus you can't admit defeat. I've defeated you in most arguements and you still haven't admitted defeat thus your incapable of admitting defeat!
prove it

what's the big deal he said he would rather go to jail than go back. He doesn't have to go over if he doesnt want to he just has to face the price and he would rather do that than fight for something he doesn't know what he's fighting for. Since I'm not in the military I can say that I wouldn't go over into Iraq right now. It's not serving any justice at all. Vote for Kerry

prove it

I did on richard Clarke regarding the 9/11 Commission report! That is all the proof I need on that Case.

true

See, and you cannot blame that on Bush...it goes back to 1945 and a DEMOCRAT who started the whole thing. The VA has become one of those white elephants that is too large to deal with. Like social security, it is one of the untouchables.

Many of the VA Hospital's have bad reps for being places for incompetent doctors. I will note however, from personal experience, that if you goto a VA that is associated with a university, you have the possibility of getting some of the best doctors in their field.

Well, you have not made many correct assumptions in this thread. Do you think that every soldier that violates the UCMJ is punished by Rumsfeld? If that were the case, thats ALL the man would be doing all day. :rolleyes:
I see--we wouldnt wanna innerupt his torturing of prisoners at abu ghraib and gitmo afterall.

Many of the VA Hospital's have bad reps for being places for incompetent doctors. I will note however, from personal experience, that if you goto a VA that is associated with a university, you have the possibility of getting some of the best doctors in their field.

Thats very true. They use the VA as a "teaching" environment so you would get better care there, but who wants to take the chance? Not me....

I see--we wouldnt wanna innerupt his torturing of prisoners at abu ghraib and gitmo afterall.

And this fits how in this thread?

I see--we wouldnt wanna innerupt his torturing of prisoners at abu ghraib and gitmo afterall.

When you dig yourself a hole, you like to keep on digging don't you? ;)

I did on richard Clarke regarding the 9/11 Commission report! That is all the proof I need on that Case.
you have some kinda spin cycle in your head cause you been distorting the meanings of that report all week long now-someone should remove it from you possession

Well, this has been interesting, but my workday is now over so I am outta here.

See, and you cannot blame that on Bush...it goes back to 1945 and a DEMOCRAT who started the whole thing. The VA has become one of those white elephants that is too large to deal with. Like social security, it is one of the untouchables.
The VA must be aborted then but social security must remain forever

you have some kinda spin cycle in your head cause you been distorting the meanings of that report all week long now-someone should remove it from you possession

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! THANKs for the laugh MKULTRA! The report is written in a way that it CAN'T BE SPINNED! LOL! It is clear and concise. I could type out the whole page for ya regarding the Saudis that left but alas you will say I was spinning it!

You've lost that fight along time ago.

And this fits how in this thread?
it fits under the post I was replying too ;)

When you dig yourself a hole, you like to keep on digging don't you? ;)
aye -until I hit the mother load ;)

Well, this has been interesting, but my workday is now over so I am outta here.
do you work for the CIA or Homeland security?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! THANKs for the laugh MKULTRA! The report is written in a way that it CAN'T BE SPINNED! LOL! It is clear and concise. I could type out the whole page for ya regarding the Saudis that left but alas you will say I was spinning it!

You've lost that fight along time ago.
we all know how "reliable" the Warren Commission was on the JFK assassination--well this is just another govt created commission whitewashing the worst crimes of the govt

do you work for the CIA or Homeland security?

Neither....I own my own business. Grocery broker.

Neither....I own my own business. Grocery broker.
do you sell Riunite Lambrusco or Vanilla quik?

do you sell Riunite Lambrusco or Vanilla quik?

No, we specialize in Hispanic foods only.

we all know how "reliable" the Warren Commission was on the JFK assassination--well this is just another govt created commission whitewashing the worst crimes of the govt

Warren Commission is one thing! This is totally different!

If you don't believe the report then you'll never make it in the real world. This report answers questions about 9/11! You don't like it because it doesn't Blame Bush! Simple as that.

No, we specialize in Hispanic foods only.
do you sell tostones, chuletas and yucca?

Warren Commission is one thing! This is totally different!

If you don't believe the report then you'll never make it in the real world. This report answers questions about 9/11! You don't like it because it doesn't Blame Bush! Simple as that.
well if it doesnt blame Bush then how can it tell the whole story--what your reading is a political document

Lame attempt at trying to give credibility to Moore.

Red herring... this has nothing to do with Moore's credibility

well if it doesnt blame Bush then how can it tell the whole story--what your reading is a political document

YOu've just shown your hatred to GWB! Congratulations. Have some Michael Moore Kool Aide!

Ok Again, the 9/11 Commission didn't blame Bush NOR did it blame Clinton. You need to read the report and see for yourself! This was a NONPARTISAN REPORT! Everyone on the commission, signed off on it! Just because it didn't blame Bush doesn't make it false. This is Accurate and Factual!

YOu've just shown your hatred to GWB! Congratulations. Have some Michael Moore Kool Aide!

Ok Again, the 9/11 Commission didn't blame Bush NOR did it blame Clinton. You need to read the report and see for yourself! This was a NONPARTISAN REPORT! Everyone on the commission, signed off on it! Just because it didn't blame Bush doesn't make it false. This is Accurate and Factual!
But I think Ken Starrs pornographic report on Clintons sex life may be more exciting :)

do you sell tostones, chuletas and yucca?

Yes we do, from LaFe, Iberia and other manufacturers.

well if it doesnt blame Bush then how can it tell the whole story--what your reading is a political document

So Bush was responsible for 9-11? Then I guess FDR was responsible for Pearl Harbor. :rolleyes:

well this one case may be legit but this is the first legit case of it after 4 years of Bush going on pogroms against whoever dared to utter one word of protest against his sick and evil agenda--Bush even committed a felony by revealing the name of one of his critics CIA wifes identity. By doing this Bush caused an intelligence agent to get assassinated in Pakistan

Pure and unadulterated bovine fecal droppings..you once again..shot your mouth off, made an uncorroborated and inflammatory statement with absolutely zero proof....congratulations RA I was afraid you'd change tactics, and actually back up what you say.

Oh..and by the way...the man's wife...was an CIA bookworm...an analyst, not a field agent, nowhere near a security risk, nowhere near worthy of assasination..and she is well..healthy and whole..as for her name being released....LOL..I found it in the agency's phonebook of listed numbers..hardly a high security issue.

So Bush was responsible for 9-11? Then I guess FDR was responsible for Pearl Harbor. :rolleyes:
yes he was and LBJ was responsible for golf at tonkin too

yes he was and LBJ was responsible for golf at tonkin too

Well, at least you got THAT right. But Bush was NOT responsible for 9-11....Osama Bin Laden was.

yes he was and LBJ was responsible for golf at tonkin too

Oh my God in heaven! MKULTRA is definitely 100% liberal Conspiracy Nut! This clinches it at least on the Pearl Harbor bit.

Oh my God in heaven! MKULTRA is definitely 100% liberal Conspiracy Nut! This clinches it!
must you swallow govt propaganda (whole) 100% of the time?

must you swallow govt propaganda (whole) 100% of the time?

Must you spout consperacy theories that have been debunked? At least you got Tolkin right but that is about all on this thread! LOL

Well, at least you got THAT right. But Bush was NOT responsible for 9-11....Osama Bin Laden was.
true--at worst Bush is just guilty of complicity and a coverup

true--at worst Bush is just guilty of complicity and a coverup

No, thats not true either....

true--at worst Bush is just guilty of complicity and a coverup

Cover Up? I guess someone didn't get his copy of the 9/11 report! Only the reports from Moveon.org, democracynow.org and Air America!

Explain? The way I remember it was he went with Mr. Moore to try and recruit the children of Congressmen for the military.

First of all, by saying "his way of going about Iraq" I assume you mean that you would have been for the war had it been under NATO or with more European Allies... I say that's crap: a rotton war is rotton no matter how many allies you have, but the Democrats in this country don't seem to remember Clintons mad bombing campaighn in the Balkins, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Second, the Iraq war was an unlawful war because the US constitution does not authorize the US to conduct military operations or wage war unless there is a DIRECT threat to the nation!

No, you sign up for the USMC expecting to train for war -- you go in expecting there is good reason behind it if you ever have to use that training. What you don't expect is to become a tool for personal profits and political gain.


This was posted on page 2, but I forgot about this thread...so I'm going to defend myself...

He was out of line for saying he wouldn't go back to Iraq.

The problem with assuming is that it normally make an ass out of you, but thanks for stereotyping me.

You have an idea how many wars the US has unlawfully been in?

Regardless of what you've expected, you've made an oath to defend your country and your president.

No, thats not true either....

Cover Up? I guess someone didn't get his copy of the 9/11 report! Only the reports from Moveon.org, democracynow.org and Air America!

Do you people have a clue what the phrase "at worst" means?

You forgot one, Independents think that both sides are stupid and whish they would both be put out of their misery.
Yep.

There is yet another part of his movie that is being discredited. In the movie he shows a headline from a newspaper in Illinois dated Dec 19th 2000 that purports that the recounts went to Gore or some such thing. The editor of that same paper has said that that headline was NEVER on his paper. He has accused Moore of fabricating the whole thing. This just in today....so before the election, that movie will be shown for what it is...a lie.
That isn't correct.
The paper is suing him for ONE DOLLAR because it misrep'd the topic line on the wrong page. It was page 3 or something and not the front page headline. It had still been printed, Moore or someone who works for Moore clip & glued the shot. It was from one of their publications though, so it still got printed, just not in that order.
I'm still not done with the thread yet so i apologize if everyone else already berated you for your misunderstanding.

That isn't correct.
The paper is suing him for ONE DOLLAR because it misrep'd the topic line on the wrong page. It was page 3 or something and not the front page headline. It had still been printed, Moore or someone who works for Moore clip & glued the shot. It was from one of their publications though, so it still got printed, just not in that order.
I'm still not done with the thread yet so i apologize if everyone else already berated you for your misunderstanding.

Roffle, are you serious? Can you gimmie a link-I know some people have been spreading that "OMG Moore is SO WRONG because he's being SUED!"

And I do love to shove things into people's faces ;)

Well, Goed, i usually agree with the unusual clarity of things in your print, so i'll elaborate ...
i'm not anti-Moore in any respect people would want to use against me, and i wasn't attacking him.
So if that's what you're getting at, just know that's not my idea at all.

I read the article about one of his probable many lawsuits the other day, i just included the issue of the $1 because it was kind of funny in its punitive way. I was responding to the idea that was mentioned in Biff's quote in my quote (Biff Pileon, kinda cool name), and i disagree with the broad erroneous generalization that if there's so much as one factual inconsistency then everything the guy does is a blantant political lie. I saw it and there's a lot a person can take issue with, editorializing if you like, but not much of the visual stuff is arguable at all.
I didn't say "OMG Moore is so wrong cuz he's being sued", nothing of the sort.
I think a great many people should see it or maybe anything else he did, so they have some idea of his fashion of visual presentation. Then argue about the content til the cows come home!
That article was in our local paper a few days back, Anchorage Daily News. As soon as i get the clipping again (i have a lot) then i guess i'll punch on the end of this dwindling but interesting thread for what it's worth.
All in all, when it was published, i never saw the article in question anyway, and i still think it's best to keep in mind that a person's hard-pressed to find an un-spinned version this far along of anything in this content range.

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182125/posts
news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/ e/1402/8-1-2004/20040801121504_062.html
https://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45
www.uspoliticstoday.com/category/OldUSPT

One or another of these will help explain what i was saying.
I don't stand by veracity, i merely emphasize that this came up recently.

Well, Goed, i usually agree with the unusual clarity of things in your print, so i'll elaborate ...
i'm not anti-Moore in any respect people would want to use against me, and i wasn't attacking him.
So if that's what you're getting at, just know that's not my idea at all.

I read the article about one of his probable many lawsuits the other day, i just included the issue of the $1 because it was kind of funny in its punitive way. I was responding to the idea that was mentioned in Biff's quote in my quote (Biff Pileon, kinda cool name), and i disagree with the broad erroneous generalization that if there's so much as one factual inconsistency then everything the guy does is a blantant political lie. I saw it and there's a lot a person can take issue with, editorializing if you like, but not much of the visual stuff is arguable at all.
I didn't say "OMG Moore is so wrong cuz he's being sued", nothing of the sort.
I think a great many people should see it or maybe anything else he did, so they have some idea of his fashion of visual presentation. Then argue about the content til the cows come home!
That article was in our local paper a few days back, Anchorage Daily News. As soon as i get the clipping again (i have a lot) then i guess i'll punch on the end of this dwindling but interesting thread for what it's worth.
All in all, when it was published, i never saw the article in question anyway, and i still think it's best to keep in mind that a person's hard-pressed to find an un-spinned version this far along of anything in this content range.


No no, don't get me wrong. I'm not anti or pro-Moore. I believe he has a right to say what he wants, and that he truly wishes the best for his country. On the other hand I disagree with his bad habit of sensationalizing things and giving a bit of a spin.

The "are you being serious" wasn't meant to be sarcastic-I've been born and raised in Southern California, I say that to people when they say something, while true, is also quite humerous :p. Something like "Mr blahblah totally flipped out in class today!" "Are you serious? Hah! Been waiting for THAT to happen." Damn english language :p.

I just thought it's funny that a lot of people say "he must be wrong on everything because he's being sued." I've been getting sick and tired of people who refuse to watch the movie, then simple stand like a wind up doll. "He is wrong. He is wrong. You're my best friend! He is wrong."

Roffle, are you serious? Can you gimmie a link-I know some people have been spreading that "OMG Moore is SO WRONG because he's being SUED!"

And I do love to shove things into people's faces ;)

Considering he likes defending himself with a ludicrous 'I must be right, if I was lying why hasn't anyone sued me' schtick, that's kinda understandable.