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Fox News just reported that the Vatican has recently condemned radical feminism and says the women need to stay home and take care of the kids. It is the man's responsibility to earn the money and provide for the family and the women's responsibility to take care of the kids.

:rolleyes:

So a news agency that I don't pay attention to reported a stupid descision by a man that I don't pay attention to in a "country" that I don't pay attention to.

So a news agency that I don't pay attention to reported a stupid descision by a man that I don't pay attention to in a "country" that I don't pay attention to.
Yea, but it's like . . . the pope . . . who condemned Bush's strike in Iraq, didn't condemn the Nazis, and is now condemning radical feminism . . .

Wow great some old batured tells us that we need to turn the clock back on civil rights sorry but I don't think I will be sorry when the piece of shit dies

Wow great some old batured tells us that we need to turn the clock back on civil rights sorry but I don't think I will be sorry when the piece of shit dies

Oh, there will just be another one to replace him sadly.

Wow great some old batured tells us that we need to turn the clock back on civil rights sorry but I don't think I will be sorry when the piece of shit dies
Well...there is a large difference between radical feminism and feminism...but really, I think some women (radical feminists) are too worried about being treated like men's equals (...they're different...), and not worried about the kids...

Well...there is a large difference between radical feminism and feminism...but really, I think some women (radical feminists) are too worried about being treated like men's equals (...they're different...), and not worried about the kids...


Is it the Churches business? Hell No!

Is it the Churches business? Hell No!
Which means they aren't allowed to hold an opinion and what they say has no bearing...

Was it the Senate's business about Bill's personal life?

Which means they aren't allowed to hold an opinion and what they say has no bearing...

Was it the Senate's business about Bill's personal life?


no it was not who cares if he cant keep it in his pants?

Well...there is a large difference between radical feminism and feminism...but really, I think some women (radical feminists) are too worried about being treated like men's equals (...they're different...), and not worried about the kids...

Men and Women are equal but different. However, it's not the woman's job to look after the kids. Or the man's job to earn the living. It's whatever works best for YOUR family. Or, whatever you can afford to do. The Pope is no one to advise people on family values given he's never had a family. Yes, I want my advice about my family from a guy who's never even had sex let alone a child. It's just stupid. The whole concept of the pope is stupid.

Men and Women are equal but different. However, it's not the woman's job to look after the kids. Or the man's job to earn the living. It's whatever works best for YOUR family. Or, whatever you can afford to do. The Pope is no one to advise people on family values given he's never had a family. Yes, I want my advise about my family from a guy who's never even had sex let alone a child. It's just stupid. The whole concept of the pope is stupid.
I'm glad you're such an expert. Priests (which eventually can become bishops, arch-bishops, eventually pope possibly) deal with the families of their church (all of them) every single day. I would consider a priest an expert on families...

Theres a difference between dealing with a family and being in a family

Men and Women are equal but different. However, it's not the woman's job to look after the kids. Or the man's job to earn the living. It's whatever works best for YOUR family. Or, whatever you can afford to do. You reactionary. What sort of silliness is this, defending the Vatican's position and then attacking the Pope? To think that people like you and the Pope can go arround saying that men and women are equal, such fascist views really should not be tolerated and you reactionaries should just shut up. Next I imagine you'll be defending the Vatican's position that women who chose not to have careers and instead raise families should not be stigmatized.

I'm glad you're such an expert. Priests (which eventually can become bishops, arch-bishops, eventually pope possibly) deal with the families of their church (all of them) every single day. I would consider a priest an expert on families...

Any one without a family is no expert on the family. Simple as that. It's like because I use to babysit, I thought I knew all about being a parent.. well trust me, you don't know what it's like to be a parent till you become one. I have a family, a husband and two kids, which to my mind makes me a lot more in the know about having a family then a damn priest or pope. In fact you know what they tell women who's husbands beat them? "Go back and make it work. Try to understand your husband better, maybe it's that you're doing some thing wrong" I've heard all about the type of advice they give families... :rolleyes:

So a news agency that I don't pay attention to reported a stupid descision by a man that I don't pay attention to in a "country" that I don't pay attention to.


lol, my sentiments precisely...

Wow Steph?

A sore spot?

No need to bash Opal that bad.

\ Mom is a feminist. An old one (bra burnnings :eek: ). As such I was raised around them. One of the things I found interesting is that some women actually want to do the house frau thing. Mom's friends were nasty about these women. Traitors to their sex I think was one comment.

As to the pope and never having a family? Well that logic is streching it. He was in a family.

One thing that is apparent to all is the fact that certain attitudes towards raising tend to be from how we were raised.

A example in the bad sense: Child abuse. Children that were abused tend to think it's ok to do that to their children.

From me: I was raised around strong women and was taught that was not a bad thing. The lesson learned from mom and my aunts was the fact grandpa was involved in their lives.

I now have my family. We had a daughter and I want her to be a strong person as such I make an effort to be involved in her life. Results so far(she is three), people frequently tell us she is a happy confident child.

So you are right to say that parenting has more knowledge but it does not always mean it is the right knowledge.

How many people have you thought should not be parents?

Anyways.

Go get em Tigress! ;)

I didn't know you had a new kid! Congrats! Chasing a PhD with somebody hanging on your hip is impressive!

Wow Steph?

A sore spot?

Yeah, I suppose.. I have known women who have be given such advice. You see, I was raised a Catholic. I'm obviously not any more. It just really angers me. Also, you mention child abuse.. well it's not like they don't tell parents to go home and spank their kids either, because they do! Spare the rod and spoil the child. Bah, I say.

As for children.. yes, I had a brand new one in January. She was 6 months old on Thursday. We named her Holly.. and we gave her Zep's sister's name for a middle name. Lynn.. so, Holly Lynn. My son is 6 years old. He's Jacob James. I don't know where I got those names for him, I just liked them..lol Although I believe two is plenty and I'm done. No more children for us.

So yes, while I am going for that Ph.D, I still have to produce a Dissertation, which I only have about 50 pages thus far and at the moment no supervisor. So, it's been put off. I'm hoping by the fall I can start up again.

You have kid(s) you know what I'm talking about.. you really have no idea what it's like to be a parent till you have one. Yeah, sure we all "come" from families, but being a parent is a little bit different then being a child of, or a sibling to.

I just think some old man who's never had a family in his entire life has no right to tell me to get in the damn kitchen, besides, does he really want me to kill my family with my cooking? LOL ;)

Yeah, I suppose.. I have known women who have be given such advice. You see, I was raised a Catholic. I'm obviously not any more. It just really angers me. Also, you mention child abuse.. well it's not like they don't tell parents to go home and spank their kids either, because they do! Spare the rod and spoil the child. Bah, I say.

As for children.. yes, I had a brand new one in January. She was 6 months old on Thursday. We named her Holly.. and we gave her Zep's sister's name for a middle name. Lynn.. so, Holly Lynn. My son is 6 years old. He's Jacob James. I don't know where I got those names for him, I just liked them..lol Although I believe two is plenty and I'm done. No more children for us.

So yes, while I am going for that Ph.D, I still have to produce a Dissertation, which I only have about 50 pages thus far and at the moment no supervisor. So, it's been put off. I'm hoping by the fall I can start up again.

You have kid(s) you know what I'm talking about.. you really have no idea what it's like to be a parent till you have one. Yeah, sure we all "come" from families, but being a parent is a little bit different then being a child of, or a sibling to.

I just think some old man who's never had a family in his entire life has no right to tell me to get in the damn kitchen, besides, does he really want me to kill my family with my cooking? LOL ;)


A 50 page report? damn if some one told me to do that I would tell the to spin on it!

A 50 page report? damn if some one told me to do that I would tell the to spin on it!

Haha , it's only at 50 pages, by the time I'm done it will be 500..give or take. To get your Ph.D, you pretty much have to write a book and not just any book.. it has to make sense.. lol. :p

What are you doing here then? get to work :D

What are you doing here then? get to work :D

Ah, so much research involved and I don't have a supervisor at the moment. Can't get one either till fall to over see my work. To challenge my theories.. etc.. To tell me I'm completely off base..lol To better yet, tell me I'm brilliant - yeah, I'm waiting for that, not! hehe.

Also I want to wait till the baby is a little older and I can trust a babysitter with her. I don't like the idea of leaving my infant with a sitter, but by fall, it won't be so bad. I'm still working from home though at my day job. My husband owns his own company and I work for it. Thankfully I have a really understanding boss.. :D

What are you doing here then? get to work :D

Dude, the writing can be the easy part.

A bud is an anthropoligist. He wrote his and he had to go through the defense.

He walks into the room and there is Donald Johanson and Tim White (Lucy fame), a gal who is well know for cultural antro(just blanked on her name) and one other guy for physical. :eek:

It started when Johanson held up a tooth, tossed it to my friend, and simply said "explain"

He gave his opinions. Johanson held out his hand for the tooth, took it and gave a disgusted look while shaking his head.

My friend said it was the worst night of his life.

But he did defend.

Dude, the writing can be the easy part.

A bud is an anthropoligist. He wrote his and he had to go through the defense.

He walks into the room and there is Donald Johanson and Tim White (Lucy fame), a gal who is well know for cultural antro(just blanked on her name) and one other guy for physical. :eek:

It started when Johanson held up a tooth, tossed it to my friend, and simply said "explain"

He gave his opinions. Johanson held out his hand for the tooth, took it and gave a disgusted look while shaking his head.

My friend said it was the worst night of his life.

But he did defend.

That sounds about right..lol

Note to self dont try to get a PHD unless its in Computers or Vidio games :D

Yeah, I suppose.. I have known women who have be given such advice. You see, I was raised a Catholic. I'm obviously not any more. It just really angers me. Also, you mention child abuse.. well it's not like they don't tell parents to go home and spank their kids either, because they do! Spare the rod and spoil the child. Bah, I say.

As for children.. yes, I had a brand new one in January. She was 6 months old on Thursday. We named her Holly.. and we gave her Zep's sister's name for a middle name. Lynn.. so, Holly Lynn. My son is 6 years old. He's Jacob James. I don't know where I got those names for him, I just liked them..lol Although I believe two is plenty and I'm done. No more children for us.

So yes, while I am going for that Ph.D, I still have to produce a Dissertation, which I only have about 50 pages thus far and at the moment no supervisor. So, it's been put off. I'm hoping by the fall I can start up again.

You have kid(s) you know what I'm talking about.. you really have no idea what it's like to be a parent till you have one. Yeah, sure we all "come" from families, but being a parent is a little bit different then being a child of, or a sibling to.

I just think some old man who's never had a family in his entire life has no right to tell me to get in the damn kitchen, besides, does he really want me to kill my family with my cooking? LOL ;)

Naming is always hard. My wife wanted Emily or Hanna. I suggested Sicily after her families birth place. She loved it.

You are right. Unless you have one living in your household, you can only image the work involved ( nightmare? ;) ). There are days I want to sell her to slavers but there is nothing like a scream of "Daddy" and her running to the door when I come home from work. I can be in a horrible mood and she always makes it go away.

Don't fret about it being on hold. You have the temperment to complete it. A friend is an opera singer in NY and she decided to have kids. Everybody said "it's over" she got back into it and still seems to be doing a good job at mothering.

As to the pope? Well until they make "acceptable" amends to the victims of the pedophile priests they really can't be discussing family issues.

Fox News just reported that the Vatican has recently condemned radical feminism and says the women need to stay home and take care of the kids. It is the man's responsibility to earn the money and provide for the family and the women's responsibility to take care of the kids.

Funny, what I had heard was that women did not need to be mothers to be fulfilled in the churches' eyes....

Well...there is a large difference between radical feminism and feminism...but really, I think some women (radical feminists) are too worried about being treated like men's equals (...they're different...), and not worried about the kids...

So to be blunt, because they have a penis they are superior and women should just be baby factories because they have uteruses.

What the heck are you doing going to college? Don't you have some kids to bear and a floor to wax? ;)

Theres a difference between dealing with a family and being in a family

Who says you need to have kids to know what being in a family is?

Surely you don't buy that he turned up under a cabbage leaf or was dropped off by the stork -- he had parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, surely?

Well, you know that is why they make them so damn cute, so you don't call the gypsies! Jake (I call him Jake, but his given name is Jacob) was so easy.. I had it so good, but of course didn't know it at the time, so it was still hell! However Holly, well, she's a whole new ball game. Well she was. From the day we brought her home, nightmare! Thankfully now she is much more settled. She wasn't colic, she was just a really gassy baby. So, many a night we walked the floor. I kept giving my husband dirty looks and blaming him of course..lol However, she is much better now. We have now just entered the teething zone, but it's still not as bad as the gassy zone was.. They are the hardest job you will ever have, the most important job you will ever have and the best job you will ever have! I have to stop now before I get all mushy..lol

Needless to say, I wouldn't trade my kids for nothing. I love them very, very, very much!

So to be blunt, because they have a penis they are superior and women should just be baby factories because they have uteruses.

What the heck are you doing going to college? Don't you have some kids to bear and a floor to wax? ;)Actually the letter rejects the superiority of men, and gets really snitty about the baby factory thing. I expect the superiority thing won't become dogma for a few decades, but I expect the non-procreative motherhood thing to spark some serious controversy.

Actually the letter rejects the superiority of men, and gets really snitty about the baby factory thing. I expect the superiority thing won't become dogma for a few decades, but I expect the non-procreative motherhood thing to spark some serious controversy.
Eh...I never said that man was superior or woman was inferior. Nor is that what the pope is saying. Don't confuse yourself into ranting. (I'm speaking specifically to anyone.) Men and women have different roles to play in society. That's what the pope said and that's what I believe.

Heh....and you're probably not going to change my mind...and I'm not as much of a sexist as you'd like to think I am.

Eh...I never said that man was superior or woman was inferior. Nor is that what the pope is saying. Don't confuse yourself into ranting. (I'm speaking specifically to anyone.) Men and women have different roles to play in society. That's what the pope said and that's what I believe.I wasn't responding to what you said, but what Katganistan implied from what you said (which I'm not certain how the implication came about). I do have to point out that this letter is from the Vatican, not the Pope (actually a church council) and the letter isn't what the Pope said, but what the Pope endorsed. I found section 7 to be quite a departure, and it seems to be laying the grounds for a change in dogma concerning the superiority of man in marriage. Likewise the language in section 13 is quite strong and seems to pushing for a major change in church teachings, now.

I'm glad you're such an expert. Priests (which eventually can become bishops, arch-bishops, eventually pope possibly) deal with the families of their church (all of them) every single day. I would consider a priest an expert on families...


How can you be an expert on families, if your not allowed to have one?

How can you be an expert on families, if your not allowed to have one?
The whole church is the priest's family. That's why they call him "Father"

The whole church is the priest's family. That's why they call him "Father"


and you see how well thats worked with all the sexual abuse by these same "FATHERS".

The whole church is the priest's family. That's why they call him "Father"

I mean no disrespect, I may have flew a little off the handle to you earlier and I'm sorry. I don't know how old you are, but that's crap. I was brought up as a Catholic.. and trust me it's crap. I seen many families take very bad advice from said priests and stay in abusive relationships because for better or worse the Catholic church doesn't believe you should divorce for any reason. If a parent is having trouble at home with their child, they tell them to get the strap out, that one I know personally.

I'm a mother of two children and I would never treat my children that way, never! If my husband was abusive the best thing you can do for your children and yourself is leave! So, with all due respect, don't tell me they know what they are talking about. They have a Dogma and they preach it, if your situation doesn't fit their Dogma.. so sad too bad for you.

I'm not saying this about all religions, I mean most let their ministers' marry and have children. Perhaps they give good advice, I wouldn't know. But I do know about being a Catholic.

Stephs right.

The church is far from perfect.

My father-in-law was the clasical Italian Catholic. He had a daughter with Cystic Fibrosis who lived only 2 weeks. She was heavily drugged (they barely understood CF then) so she probably didn't even know her parents were in the room.

He had a spirital crises and sought the guidence of his priest.

His answer (not exact but the gist is there) "God is punishing you for some transgression and or lack of faith" :eek:

He left and never went back. That was 35 years ago.

Yes, there are bad priests that give bad advice. But there are just as many priests, if not more, that give good advice.

Does anybody have the actual statement issued by the Vatican? I would trust that to be a better source than the biased media.

Yea, but it's like . . . the pope . . . who condemned Bush's strike in Iraq, didn't condemn the Nazis, and is now condemning radical feminism . . .
you do realise its not the same pope in the 1940s as it is now right

you know it's statements from the vatican like those that make me hope the illuminati really do exist and are still plotting to overthrow the church.

Fox News just reported that the Vatican has recently condemned radical feminism and says the women need to stay home and take care of the kids. It is the man's responsibility to earn the money and provide for the family and the women's responsibility to take care of the kids.

Wait, I'm confused and I can't find the story on FOX. Did the Pope equate radical feminism to women in the workforce in general or what?

Yes, I want my advice about my family from a guy who's never even had sex let alone a child. .
I read this too fast and thought you were commenting on peadophillia in the catholic church.

Yea, but it's like . . . the pope . . . who condemned Bush's strike in Iraq, didn't condemn the Nazis, and is now condemning radical feminism . . .

To be fair... he wasn't the Pope during the Nazi era. He wasn't even ordained a priest until 1946, and lived and suffered under Nazi oppression just like other Polish clergy.

I was raised Catholic. There are good priests and bad priests. The current pope, John Paul II, is not a bad guy. He has survived an assassination attempt (supposedly soviet-planned). His predecessors are often of a different sort, goint to the point of allowing Fascism and Nazism.

As for the existance of a pope, he is the focus of the religion. Many people don't notice ho fragmented other decentralized religions are. Catholicism might be monolithic, but at least you do not have the regrettable and unfortunate craziness as in the Muslim religion. At the very least, he is somebody to take blame.

Good day.

As for the existance of a pope, he is the focus of the religion. Many people don't notice ho fragmented other decentralized religions are. Catholicism might be monolithic, but at least you do not have the regrettable and unfortunate craziness as in the Muslim religion. At the very least, he is somebody to take blame.

Good day.

What kind of parish were you raised in where the pope was the focus of Catholicism? The pope is hardly ever mentioned in my parish. The focus of Catholicism should be the Eucharist. Or did I just misunderstand what you posted?

And again, does anybody have the text of the statement from the Vatican, or would you just rather discuss what you think it says?

Wow great some old batured tells us that we need to turn the clock back on civil rights sorry but I don't think I will be sorry when the piece of shit dies

It sounds like you have a serious anger issue. If you aren't Catholic (which I doubt you are) then you don't have to listen to what he has to say. I guess I shouldn't feel sorry when you die, but enjoy hell. But I do care about you even if you hate me for being Catholic. ;)

Fox News just reported that the Vatican has recently condemned radical feminism and says the women need to stay home and take care of the kids. It is the man's responsibility to earn the money and provide for the family and the women's responsibility to take care of the kids.
closing the barn door after the horse got out isnt it?

and im pretty sure that it isnt RADICAL to work outside the home

why would anybody base their family structure on the words of a mass-murderer like the Pope?

why would anybody base their family structure on the words of a mass-murderer like the Pope?

Ok I am curious. Please explain. You mean the seat or JPII?

Men and Women are equal but different. However, it's not the woman's job to look after the kids. Or the man's job to earn the living. It's whatever works best for YOUR family. Or, whatever you can afford to do. The Pope is no one to advise people on family values given he's never had a family. Yes, I want my advice about my family from a guy who's never even had sex let alone a child.

Or someone who likey has had sex with children.

lol, sorry we're but talking about catholicism so I had to make the joke

Ok I am curious. Please explain. You mean the seat or JPII?

well, since the Pope is the head of the Church, i hold him responsible for the actions of those under his direction. since the Vatican is currently spreading false information about contraception and AIDS, and thereby killing millions of people, i lay the deaths at the feet of the Pope.

well, since the Pope is the head of the Church, i hold him responsible for the actions of those under his direction. since the Vatican is currently spreading false information about contraception and AIDS, and thereby killing millions of people, i lay the deaths at the feet of the Pope.

Gotcha! Tough argument there.

Sometimes I wonder if it is the ivory tower syndrome. I sometimes wonder about those Cardinals.....

Hmm, no I completely disagree with the Pope! I think women ought to have babies, sure, but why bother to stay home and raise them?

Instead, the liberated mother of today really ought to work one or two (at least) jobs, so that the kid spends his/her entire childhood being babysat by relatives, hip friends of mom, paid overlords (babysitters), and of course television (babysitter).

I'm also totally for the abandonment of traditional family "roles." This whole, mother/child thing is clearly an oppressive stereotype with no value. Not just that, but any family role! I think fathers are best if they're never around, too. Also, sisters and brothers, what's up with that? That whole thing was just invented by a bunch of wrinkly old men.

Furthermore, 'incest' is another evil lie created to strengthen the Tyranny of Penis, and everyone should be sexually liberated with regards to their so-called "family members."

Because really, having "mothers" and other hopelessly archaic concepts is a waste of resources, that does nothing but create individuals with no sense of self-reliance or independence. Why be an oppressive authority figure? It's better to be distant, and let nature take it's course and the chips fall where they may. Control is bad, TV is good.

just like Saddam was held accountable for the actions of his organization.

Just like george Tenent was helde Responsible for the actions of his organization.

Fox News just reported that the Vatican has recently condemned radical feminism and says the women need to stay home and take care of the kids. It is the man's responsibility to earn the money and provide for the family and the women's responsibility to take care of the kids.


wow, you misquoted the hell out of that

that isn't even close to what the vatican said

well, since the Pope is the head of the Church, i hold him responsible for the actions of those under his direction. since the Vatican is currently spreading false information about contraception and AIDS, and thereby killing millions of people, i lay the deaths at the feet of the Pope.

then he clearly dosn't control those people

because if he did they wouldn't be having sex outside marriage and the AIDs problem would go away




bam

then he clearly dosn't control those people

because if he did they wouldn't be having sex outside marriage and the AIDs problem would go away




bam

um, he controls the people telling lies about AIDS. those people pass on misinformation that lead to people dying. am i going too fast here?

then he clearly dosn't control those people

because if he did they wouldn't be having sex outside marriage and the AIDs problem would go away



Are the words "intravenous drug use" familiar to you? "Cross contamination during medical procedures"? "Transmission through the placenta to the unborn"?

um, he controls the people telling lies about AIDS. those people pass on misinformation that lead to people dying. am i going too fast here?

no, he leads Catholics and tells THEM they can't use condoms

Are the words "intravenous drug use" familiar to you? "Cross contamination during medical procedures"? "Transmission through the placenta to the unborn"?

#1 - if you listened to the Pope you wouldn't be on drugs to begin with

#2 - that almost never happenes these days

#3 - there are drugs for that

and head and shoulders above the rest sex is the leading spreader of AIDs, the rest are insignificant compared to it

yeah if everyone listened to the Pope then priests would probably not molest children either.

I'm glad you're such an expert. Priests (which eventually can become bishops, arch-bishops, eventually pope possibly) deal with the families of their church (all of them) every single day. I would consider a priest an expert on families...

as decreed in the old testament, jewish rabbis and priests are required to be married and have children before they can be such. this is to guarantee that they know how to deal with families. being in one and happening to know one are very different matters.

no, he leads Catholics and tells THEM they can't use condoms

no, he tells his organization and his followers to instruct people in the countries they visit that condoms are permiable to AIDS or that condoms are laced with AIDS. the Vatican has specifically stated that condoms don't protect against AIDS even when used properly, and they have instructed priests and nuns in Africa to diseminate this misinformation. people who live in many regions of Africa don't have any other source of information about contraception, so they believe these lies.

#1 - if you listened to the Pope you wouldn't be on drugs to begin with

As far as I can tell he has only spoken out against 'illegal' drug use. Not all drugs used intravenously for pleasure are illegal in all countries.

#2 - that almost never happenes these days



because if he did they wouldn't be having sex outside marriage and the AIDs problem would go away

"Almost never happens" isn't sufficient to make AIDS "go away".

#3 - there are drugs for that
Said drugs are not easily or cheaply available throughout the world.

#1 - if you listened to the Pope you wouldn't be on drugs to begin with

#2 - that almost never happenes these days

#3 - there are drugs for that

and head and shoulders above the rest sex is the leading spreader of AIDs, the rest are insignificant compared to it

in Africa the people being infected by dirty needles aren't drug users, by and large. they are more usually people who are infected when they get their malaria shots; because needles are in short supply, one or two needles are usually used for an entire village. though they try to sterilize the needles, this is not always possible or successful. the Catholic Church currently spends 140 times as much money on anti-condom advertizing as it does on providing safe needles for Africans who need them for malaria shots. just to clear that up.

no, he tells his organization and his followers to instruct people in the countries they visit that condoms are permiable to AIDS or that condoms are laced with AIDS. the Vatican has specifically stated that condoms don't protect against AIDS even when used properly, and they have instructed priests and nuns in Africa to diseminate this misinformation. people who live in many regions of Africa don't have any other source of information about contraception, so they believe these lies.

It would be nice to see a source for your statements. I'm not saying you're blatantly lying, but a source would be nice.

It would be nice to see a source for your statements. I'm not saying you're blatantly lying, but a source would be nice.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html

"The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.

The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV.

A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms, despite assurances by the World Health Organisation that they are untrue. "