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http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/30/vote.psych.reut/index.html

President George W. Bush may be tapping into solid human psychology when he invokes the September 11 attacks while campaigning for the next election, U.S. researchers said on Thursday.

Then again, were any of you surprised?

Well, yeah, but it's a gated response to a stimuli. People are scared the first time, less scared the second time, even less scared the third time, etc. If this is what he's pinning his hopes on, then he's in big trouble.

I could of told you this , I think I have said this more then once in fact. Fear is a powerful tool and more importantly, it works!

I hope it doesn't work. Honestly, I'm a bit sick of 9/11 being consistantly shoved down everyone's throats over...and over...and over...and over...and OVER again.


Honestly, if he invokes 9/11, all it'll do is piss me off and make me dislike him more.

I could of told you this , I think I have said this more then once in fact. Fear is a powerful tool and more importantly, it works!

Indeed.

Have you guys pulled a blanket over your eyes? Kerry is making promises like giving everyone health care in our country. His proposals combined add up to 2 Trillion + dollers. Now where is all that money going to come from? You think the deficit is bad now, wait til you get Kerry up there spending much more in places that aren't necessary. Bush has had a tough presidency. Terrrorist attacks, wars, etc. Maybe some of what he did was misguided, but it's not all his fault. The economy sucks after 9/11. It's not his fault. If Gore were president we would probably all hate him. What if Gore was president and didn't invade Afghanistan? And say there were more terrorist attacks? You can't just blindly say Bush is an idiot or he did it all wrong. So just relax with the Bush bashing. Tell your Democrat parents to stop filling you with their political ideas and come up with some on your own.

Bush is a powerful tool, and yes, I mean that in the perjorative sense.

Have you guys pulled a blanket over your eyes? Kerry is making promises like giving everyone health care in our country. His proposals combined add up to 2 Trillion + dollers. Now where is all that money going to come from? You think the deficit is bad now, wait til you get Kerry up there spending much more in places that aren't necessary. Bush has had a tough presidency. Terrrorist attacks, wars, etc. Maybe some of what he did was misguided, but it's not all his fault. The economy sucks after 9/11. It's not his fault. If Gore were president we would probably all hate him. What if Gore was president and didn't invade Afghanistan? And say there were more terrorist attacks? You can't just blindly say Bush is an idiot or he did it all wrong. So just relax with the Bush bashing. Tell your Democrat parents to stop filling you with their political ideas and come up with some on your own.

Yeah, and you can't just blindly throw out numbers with no cite. There's another thread on the suspected costs of Kerry's proposals in comparison with Bush's "War on Terror" costs and it's got actual cites. Try again.

oh yes of course a trillion dollar health care plan is horrible, it is much more horrible ythan rolling back taxes and icnreasing spending, especially if the funding is to further your own religious and foreign agenda.
every other socially advanced nation has a health care system, and if we try to get one the rpeublicans bitch, that should tell you something

Illegal presidents have to get into office illegally...

Adams became president with a 33% smaller popular vote than Jackson, and only won because clay dropped out and gave his electoral votes to Adams. Surprise, Clay was made secretary of state when Adams was in office.

Harrison had less popular votes than Cleveland. Harrison was also known to literally pay people in swing states like Indiana to vote for him.

The third president in the history of america to win without winning the popular vote... Isnt exactly hard to think that he might have cheated too...

The volunteers were aged from 18 into their 50s and described themselves as ranging from liberal to deeply conservative. No matter what a person's political conviction, thinking about death made them tend to favor Bush, Solomon said. Otherwise, they preferred Kerry.

"I think this should concern anybody," Solomon said. "If I was speaking lightly, I would say that people in their, quote, right minds, unquote, don't care much for President Bush and his policies in Iraq."

He wants voters to be aware of psychological pressures and how they are used.

Does this make Bush look bad or what?

The volunteers were aged from 18 into their 50s and described themselves as ranging from liberal to deeply conservative. No matter what a person's political conviction, thinking about death made them tend to favor Bush, Solomon said. Otherwise, they preferred Kerry.

"I think this should concern anybody," Solomon said. "If I was speaking lightly, I would say that people in their, quote, right minds, unquote, don't care much for President Bush and his policies in Iraq."

He wants voters to be aware of psychological pressures and how they are used.

Does this make Bush look bad or what?

Well, it certainly equates Bush with death, but still I'm sort of unconvinced that this is actually a useful metric to judge voter response. I mean, it sort of sounds like if someone's depressed the day they go to the polls, they vote Bush. In which case, I think there needs to be a free distribution of Prozac immediately!

Well, it certainly equates Bush with death, but still I'm sort of unconvinced that this is actually a useful metric to judge voter response. I mean, it sort of sounds like if someone's depressed the day they go to the polls, they vote Bush. In which case, I think there needs to be a free distribution of Prozac immediately!


Now I know why Republicans are so passionate about marijuana use, even for medicinal purposes. No one feeling "groovy" would ever vote republican.

I hadn't noticed this before, but after reading George Orwell's "Animal Farm", I realized the power that fear has over the population.

Long story short: The pig Squealer working for head pig Napoleon runs around the farm telling the other animals that if they don't work hard and do whatever the pigs say (such as longer working hours, fewer rights than they had originally, etc) then Snowball (pig painted to be "evil" by Napoleon) would come back with the humans to make their lives miserable.

After reading that book, I kept seeing comparisons to Bush's administration. Terrorist alerts, Sept 11 scenes in pro-bush ads, that kind of thing.

Woo, anyway, dinner time!

I hadn't noticed this before, but after reading George Orwell's "Animal Farm", I realized the power that fear has over the population.

Long story short: The pig Squealer working for head pig Napoleon runs around the farm telling the other animals that if they don't work hard and do whatever the pigs say (such as longer working hours, fewer rights than they had originally, etc) then Snowball (pig painted to be "evil" by Napoleon) would come back with the humans to make their lives miserable.

After reading that book, I kept seeing comparisons to Bush's administration. Terrorist alerts, Sept 11 scenes in pro-bush ads, that kind of thing.

Woo, anyway, dinner time!
I told you Bush was a fear- pig

Like this is anything new.

"George Bush is poisoning your kids water"

"George Bush isn't protecting you from terrorists"

"George Bush is going to let deadly assault guns flood the streets"

"George Bush is going to lock you up without trial"

"George Bush the one running a campaign of fear!" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yah, I think he is. Though he isn't that scary looking he is defiantly using 9/11 to sway the vote. If people were to look past the fake Kerry then Bush wouldn't have to sway them, they'd flock to him. All that crap Kerry says he is going to do isn't possible. He says he's going to make a safer America, but seriously what more can he do then what we are now? He says he's going to give Medicare to people and make new jobs and you know what? That is going to raise taxes alot. But this topic isn't about the fake Kerry it's about scary Mr. Bush. He is using 9/11 in his campaigns because he knows it affects people and the when the terrorist color level goes up, that also scare some of these 9/11 victims like mad. Subliminally it is like he's saying that if we don't vote for him and Kerry wins then a second 9/11 or worse is going to happen. But just think... What if Clinton was still president when that happened? Total disaster. But this is just my opinion.

Yah I think he is. Though he isn't that scary looking he is defiantly using 9/11 to sway the vote. Though if people were to look past the fake Kerry then Bush wouldn't have to sway them, they'd flock to him. All that crap Kerry says he is going to do isn't possible. He says he's going to make a safer America, but seriously what more can he do then what we are now? He says he's going to get Medicare for people and make new jobs and you know what? That is going to raise taxes alot. But this topic isn't about the fake Kerry it's about scary Mr. Bush. He is using 9/11 in his campaigns because he knows it affects people and the when the terrorist color level goes up, that also scare some of these 9/11 victims like mad. subliminally it is like he's saying that if we don't vote for him and Kerry wins then a second 9/11 or worse is going to happen. But just think... What if Clinton was still president when this happened? Total disaster. But this is just my opinion.
it is youre opinion and its wrong too-Clinton would not have lied to increase terrorism by invading Iraq and Clinton would not have told the world to go to hell then wondered why no one was on his side and Clinton wouldnt have unbalaced the economy stealing tax cuts for people who dont need or deserve them-only the arrogant buffoon we have now did all these things

Like this is anything new.

"George Bush is poisoning your kids water"

Funny, I have yet to hear that

"George Bush isn't protecting you from terrorists"

Well, show us how he is. I'm sorry, but waiting in line for an hour at the airport because some 80 year old woman has nail clippers isn't "protecting me." It's just "pissing me off."

Furthermore, anti-American and terrorist sentiments have gone UP.

"George Bush is going to let deadly assault guns flood the streets"

Once again, I haven't hear that. Are you talking about that automatic weapons ban? Well here's a question: why do you need an assult rifle?

"George Bush is going to lock you up without trial"

No silly, that's Ashcroft. Which he has done.

"George Bush the one running a campaign of fear!" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Are you...saying he isn't?

Bush got us into another Vietnam. For that reason alone I'm for another president.

CNN. Nuff Said.
We also had about 37,000 deaths i Vietnam. We are about at 1,000 now. Though we were there a lot longer in Vietnam, once the country is more secure from suicide bombers, and militiants, it will be a lot safer. In Vietnam, we didn't have a chance from the start.

it is youre opinion and its wrong too-Clinton would not have lied to increase terrorism by invading Iraq and Clinton would not have told the world to go to hell then wondered why no one was on his side and Clinton wouldnt have unbalaced the economy stealing tax cuts for people who dont need or deserve them-only the arrogant buffoon we have now did all these things
Opinions can't be wrong. You're right, Clinton wouldn't have done any of that. Neither did Bush, but whatever that is your opinion. If Clinton was still president now, he wouldn't have went to war. He would have just sat safe and guarded by fully armed bodyguards in the oval office while more terrorists come and rain death on us. He is a loser and would have gotten impeached if he had by some margin got the job again.

Opinions can't be wrong. You're right, Clinton wouldn't have done any of that. Neither did Bush, but whatever that is your opinion. If Clinton was still president now, he wouldn't have went to war. He would have just sat safe and guarded by fully armed bodyguards in the oval office while more terrorists come and rain death on us. He is a loser and would have gotten impeached if he had by some margin got the job again.
prior to 911 CLintron was doing hella more then Bush who was on his 6 month flyfishing vacation--after 911 the world is less safe because Bush destroyed americas credability and played into the hands of terrorists. Clinton certainly was a screwup in his own way but nowhere near as bad as the brainless self serving loser in their now

prior to 911 CLintron was doing hella more then Bush who was on his 6 month flyfishing vacation--after 911 the world is less safe because Bush destroyed americas credability and played into the hands of terrorists. Clinton certainly was a screwup in his own way but nowhere near as bad as the brainless self serving loser in their now
that was just lame

bush was asleep at the helm, until he woke up and groggily said "full steam ahead, stay the course" but he wasnt fly fishing for 6 months, maybe shooting up but not fishing..

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/30/vote.psych.reut/index.html

President George W. Bush may be tapping into solid human psychology when he invokes the September 11 attacks while campaigning for the next election, U.S. researchers said on Thursday.

Then again, were any of you surprised?

CNN? Come on, get a real source!

CNN. Nuff Said.
We also had about 37,000 deaths i Vietnam. We are about at 1,000 now. Though we were there a lot longer in Vietnam, once the country is more secure from suicide bombers, and militiants, it will be a lot safer. In Vietnam, we didn't have a chance from the start.

Yes, the war in Vietnam also lasted 10 years. I suspect Iraq will last much longer.

CNN. Nuff Said.
We also had about 37,000 deaths i Vietnam. We are about at 1,000 now. Though we were there a lot longer in Vietnam, once the country is more secure from suicide bombers, and militiants, it will be a lot safer. In Vietnam, we didn't have a chance from the start.

Check numbers on deaths in Nam. I thought it was closer to 50,000 dead!

prior to 911 CLintron was doing hella more then Bush who was on his 6 month flyfishing vacation--after 911 the world is less safe because Bush destroyed americas credability and played into the hands of terrorists. Clinton certainly was a screwup in his own way but nowhere near as bad as the brainless self serving loser in their now

Aye, what's wrong with a man who likes to take time off his stressful job to go fishing or whatever he was doing? And really if Clinton actually did something, anything good-it would be on the news (though he book wasn't too good) and I heard nothing. I watch the news every morning and every evening. So tell me, what was that man doing that was so hella more good then fishing?

CNN? Come on, get a real source!
Pray tell, how is CNN not a real source? It may be biased but it certainly is reliable. If you don't think CNN is a real source, then I fear you will never find a real source.

Bush got us into another Vietnam. For that reason alone I'm for another president.

Your not even close. If I were you, I wouldn't draw that comparison to anyone who was in service in Vietnam. Unless you want them to think much less of you. Dumbass.

Kerry is making promises like giving everyone health care in our country. His proposals combined add up to 2 Trillion + dollers

Do they? I'm curious, are Americans that much sicker than everyone else, does their health system have that many more ineffeciencies than everyone else's, or they being taken for more of a ride by the 'health care industry'? Because aside from the above, the only reason not to have a comprehensive health care system is a lack of willingness to do so.

Other countries do it. Countries that have less material resources than the USA, have smaller economies than the US, and produce less per capita than the USA can afford to do this.

So please explain what is so very unique about America, that it is less able to afford health care, despite the fact that many nations who have less income per capita manage to do it.

You think the deficit is bad now, wait til you get Kerry up there spending much more in places that aren't necessary
Places like Iraq?

Maybe some of what he did was misguided, but it's not all his fault.
What's not his fault? I hope you dont mean what he did. Why do Bush supporters so often seem to want more responsibility from workers, parents, childrens, other soveriegn nations, in fact everyone except the President. It's strange because I would have thought rather than being absolved from all accountability, the President was more accountable than anyone else. Someone send the Whitehouse a new 'welcome mat' for the Presidential residence. It should say 'hi, and welcome Mr President, please remember that you are no longer accountable for anything, so do take advantage. PS can you please ensure you regularily remind middle America to be accountable for their actions, because obviously if no one was the whole country would fall apart....'

The economy sucks after 9/11.
The economy most probably sucks before after and during 9/11 for the same reason. In fact I dont see the real relevence. There were hiccups in the economy, but they really were not as influential as the combined effects of the 'dot.com' bust and the consequences of the 'since when did Enron start hiring comedic fiction writers in place of accountants' debacle.

What if Gore was president and didn't invade Afghanistan? And say there were more terrorist attacks? You can't just blindly say Bush is an idiot or he did it all wrong. So just relax with the Bush bashing.
What if Santa were President and didnt invade the Queen of Englands' underwear closet? And say then there were more asthma attacks? Could we blindly call the Easter Bunny an idiot and say he did it all wrong?
For what reason would Gore not be attacking Afghanistan, who would be the perpetrators of the terrorist attacks, where would they occur, by what means, and in response to what motivation, and are you intending to imply that Gore would realistically have not invaded Afghanistan, and that this would lead to terrorist attacks other than the many terrorist attacks that have occured since Afghanistan was invaded? And what does your 'what-if' spree have to do with rationally evaluating the facts, applying reasoning to that evaluation of facts and concluding that G W Bush is an idiot and he did it all wrong?

lol, you guys are so guillible.

You see the bottom of the article? The doctor said that "I think this should concern anybody," Solomon said. "If I was speaking lightly, I would say that people in their, quote, right minds, unquote, don't care much for President Bush and his policies in Iraq."

He's a Bush basher, just like all of you people who can't think for themselves.

Pray tell, how is CNN not a real source? It may be biased but it certainly is reliable. If you don't think CNN is a real source, then I fear you will never find a real source.
of course cnn isnt a real source because sean hannity is a news anchor :rolleyes:

of course cnn isnt a real source because sean hannity is a news anchor :rolleyes:

I actually read CNN.com and find that preferable to the cable channel. Sometimes, i prefer the fox news website to the news channel too! LOL! I consider all 4 outlets to be real news sources.

(waits for the Fox News Bashers)

of course cnn isnt a real source because sean hannity is a news anchor :rolleyes:
Gee... I've been seeing a false source all these years. Wait a minute, it means 9-11 didn't happen as i've seen it on CNN. Same thing for the war... CNN reported it, it must be false.

C'mon get real. But your rationale Fox News is not a real either, it has O'reilly on it.

Gee... I've been seeing a false source all these years. Wait a minute, it means 9-11 didn't happen as i've seen it on CNN. Same thing for the war... CNN reported it, it must be false.

C'mon get real. But your rationale Fox News is not a real either, it has O'reilly on it.
i dont think you understood the point of rolly eyes

Aye, what's wrong with a man who likes to take time off his stressful job to go fishing or whatever he was doing? And really if Clinton actually did something, anything good-it would be on the news (though he book wasn't too good) and I heard nothing. I watch the news every morning and every evening. So tell me, what was that man doing that was so hella more good then fishing?

What is wrong with our employee taking six months of his first 21 off for vacations? :) Can I work for you? :)

If the job was so damn stressful back then, he never should have run for office.

i dont think you understood the point of rolly eyes
Sorry about that. I'm not up to date on my emoticon lingo. Consider my previous post an attempt to bash Fox News as expected by Formal Dances.

I'll take it as an indication that I'm too tired to continue. I,ll go to sleep now. Peace Out.

lol, you guys are so guillible.

You see the bottom of the article? The doctor said that "I think this should concern anybody," Solomon said. "If I was speaking lightly, I would say that people in their, quote, right minds, unquote, don't care much for President Bush and his policies in Iraq."

He's a Bush basher, just like all of you people who can't think for themselves.

Yeah... as opp. to the right, which to a man woman or child can all think for themselves without being spoonfed pablum from a gang of autocrats.

He's a Bush basher, just like all of you people who can't think for themselves.


The thing is that I can think for myself and I still don't really want Bush for president again.

Everything he has done has not been wrong, but there have been some bad choices.

Who can truly say that any other person (like Clinton or Gore) would have done a better job? We don't know that they would have! There have been worse presidents than Bush and there have been better presidents than Bush. Guess what? There will be worse and better presidents after Bush.

I do think Bush was asleep at the wheel before 9/11, but he did wake up afterwards. The old saying, "Better late than never" comes to mind. Then on the other hand to use the attack and pain that everyone (not just in our country dealing with these kind of attacks) is wrong. That is not the way to get the vote. Make a stand on ideas and issues - not fear. Just saying, you will make "America safer" is not enough.

I also don't think Kerry will be one of those "great" presidents. True his ideas will cost more in taxes - for what we spend on the war.... the health care coverage would probably be covered.

Now you are probably going, well if she doesn't like Bush or Kerry then who is she going to vote for or at least leaning towards? I haven't made up my mind yet. I am still weighing the pros and cons (as much as possible) and will be until November.

CNN? Come on, get a real source!

then would you prefer FOX News: Bush's media outlet :fluffle: ?

Once again, I haven't hear that. Are you talking about that automatic weapons ban? Well here's a question: why do you need an assult rifle?

Sorry to pick nits here, but the AWB has nothing to do with automatic weapons. It really only affects cosmetics; flash hiders, muzzle brakes, folding stocks, and bayonets are all banned under it. My experience is, admittedly, very limited, but I've never heard of a drive by bayonetting. But anyway, rant over. And just so you don't think I'm some redneck flag waving gun nut, I'm really quite disgusted at how Bush exploits the memory of 9/11 for political gains (all politicians are filthy whores IMO, but this is pushing it).

Now I know why Republicans are so passionate about marijuana use, even for medicinal purposes. No one feeling "groovy" would ever vote republican.

of course not they cant think right. wait a minute does that mean most demacrats are on drugs or had there mind fried from drugs? :)

Sorry to pick nits here, but the AWB has nothing to do with automatic weapons. It really only affects cosmetics; flash hiders, muzzle brakes, folding stocks, and bayonets are all banned under it. My experience is, admittedly, very limited, but I've never heard of a drive by bayonetting. But anyway, rant over. And just so you don't think I'm some redneck flag waving gun nut, I'm really quite disgusted at how Bush exploits the memory of 9/11 for political gains (all politicians are filthy whores IMO, but this is pushing it).

the AWB banned kalishnikovs, UZIs, Galils, Beretta Ar70, Colt AR-15, FN/FAL,FN/LAR,FNC, M-10, M-11, M-11/9, M-12, AUG, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22, automatic shotguns