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Is there a poster who, despite the fact you normally end up on opposite sides of the debate, you respect for whatever reason?

For me it's Tygaland. His politics are wrong most of the time ;) but he always argues logically, and never evades a question.

Hmm, this is a good question. I'm going to go with "Pepsiholics"

Pepsiholics is on the wrong side habitually in my opinion of the argument, however, he deals in facts even if he does tend to spin them, but I suppose we all do that.

I use to think Eli as well, but he's gone a bit extreme these days.

Also, he doesn't come around very much any more, but I use to also have quite a bit of respect for Redneck Geeks even though we never agreed politically.

There are several.

Purly Euclid, for starters. I rarely agree with him, but I can never fault him on reasoning or backing up his points.

Bottle, at least on religious topics. We're on opposite sides of the field, but I have nothing but the highest respect for her conclusions and her arguments (even if they are sometimes a little snide).

Salishe, always. Sometimes we agree, but even when we don't, I respect the man's thought process and do understand where he's coming from.

There were some other Conservative posters on the old boards who don't seem to have come along to Jolt, but I enjoyed discussing issues with them, even when I was absolutely, positively, 100% certain that they were wrong, wrong, wrong. :)

Roach-Busters. Even though I think he's rather radical right-wing (alliteration) his posts are clever, logical and original.

Bottle, whereever we disagree. Makes me think hard and isn't afraid to admit when she's wrong (although she doesn't admit it as often as I think she is, but NM)

I'll go with Salishe as well--we disagree on lots of things, most especially immigration, but we generally keep it civil, and I respect that.

Bottle. She may remind me of Legato from Trigun, but she is still a good debater, albeit a depressing one.

Bottle. She may remind me of Legato from Trigun, but she is still a good debater, albeit a depressing one.

WTH is up with you and all the anime references?

Perhaps I shouldn't say this.. but the information was found as a poster and not as a mod and not even by me, but was showed to me and I in turn showed it to Zep.. but, I would of in the past picked Salishe as well. However, a couple of threads have been pointed out to me over time where there is no mistake that Salishe is not being honest with us about quite a bit. There are absolute things he's not being honest about, then based on those things, I have to question every thing he says.

Perhaps I shouldn't say this.. but the information was found as a poster and not as a mod and not even by me, but was showed to me and I in turn showed it to Zep.. but, I would of in the past picked Salishe as well. However, a couple of threads have been pointed out to me over time where there is no mistake that Salishe is not being honest with us about quite a bit. There are absolute things he's not being honest about, then based on those things, I have to question every thing he says.

Huh? This is rather upsetting. That's kind of a big charge to level at someone without providing the proof you're using.

I can understand not wanting to post it openly, but how about a tg with links to what you're talking about?

Is there a poster who, despite the fact you normally end up on opposite sides of the debate, you respect for whatever reason?

For me it's Tygaland. His politics are wrong most of the time ;) but he always argues logically, and never evades a question.

Thank you! Except for the "politics are wrong most of the time" comment! ;)

I actually enjoy my debates with The Holy Word because they stick to the point and respect others opinions even if they do not agree. They do, however, use www.dictionary.com a little too much since I used it against them.... :p

I'll telegram both of you.

Perhaps I shouldn't say this.. but the information was found as a poster and not as a mod and not even by me, but was showed to me and I in turn showed it to Zep.. but, I would of in the past picked Salishe as well. However, a couple of threads have been pointed out to me over time where there is no mistake that Salishe is not being honest with us about quite a bit. There are absolute things he's not being honest about, then based on those things, I have to question every thing he says.
Has Salishe lied about WMDs?

I'll telegram both of you.

Thanks, although I'm not exactly sure if I can say I'm looking forward to reading that telegram...

WTH is up with you and all the anime references?

I don't know, I guess I like anime.

I don't know, I guess I like anime.

Fair enough. Like I said, I can only seem to get into Cowboy Bepop and Spirited Away, so I don't even think I qualify as an anime poser.

Roach-Busters. Even though I think he's rather radical right-wing (alliteration) his posts are clever, logical and original.

Thank you (er, for the 'clever, logical, original' part)! :)

Ok sent, there are other examples.. but I sent you the one that was most obvious in past posting history.

All of them. I find that almost everyone on NS, both left and right, is courteous, intelligent, studious, and backs up what s/he says. There are a few rare exceptions, but overall, everyone who disagrees with me does so in a polite and civil manner, for which I am grateful.

*Bump*

Shaed, Bottle, Grave_n_idle, Harkatopia

for now. :D

w00t no one respects me, my mission is complete

Evolution/Creationism- Dragons Bay- well, s/he's the only Creationist left, but I do like his/er willingness to accept opposing viewpoints.

Others, I haven't been in a big enough debate to tell yet.

Let's see...Stephistan, CSW, The Holy Word, Siljhouettes, Doomduckistan, and others I can't think of off the top of my head.

Let's see...Stephistan, CSW, The Holy Word, Siljhouettes, Doomduckistan, and others I can't think of off the top of my head.

Woo7. I got listed. And I'm not sure why.

(OT- Yes, the use of Woo7 is a n00blike thing, but I use it anyhow. Like the word "Eh" to English.)

Zeppistan. Very articulate and funny.

Dragons Bay seems to be the only one that I can continue to hit in the head with a shovel, and still we don't kill each other.

I also appreciate E B Guvegrra, which is confusing - we seem to argue, while also being on the same side of the argument...

I also appreciate Bottle, and Opal Isle - although it's often hard to tell if I'm arguing against or with them...

Hrmm...yes, I appreciate Bottle's style.

Opal Isle, if just for the same reason as Grave's-half the time, I dunno weither we're on the same side or not :D

Opal Isle, if just for the same reason as Grave's-half the time, I dunno weither we're on the same side or not :D
Yea, I noticed Goed's name as last poster here and realized thought I might offer him up as my most respected opposing view...but we're not really opposites in everything. We're like the opposite of both side of the evolution debate and end up on the same side...

Oh dear, I'm not on anyone's list. I must be slipping. Too much rhetoric, not enough facts. Must do something about that, um, tomorrow.

Hmmmm....who do I end up on the opposite side of often? Bah. I can't think of anyone in particular. I respect you all, and I think you're all wrong. Well that solves that.

Oh dear, I'm not on anyone's list. I must be slipping. Too much rhetoric, not enough facts. Must do something about that, um, tomorrow.

Maybe we should disagree with one another more often. ;)

Perhaps I shouldn't say this.. but the information was found as a poster and not as a mod and not even by me, but was showed to me and I in turn showed it to Zep.. but, I would of in the past picked Salishe as well. However, a couple of threads have been pointed out to me over time where there is no mistake that Salishe is not being honest with us about quite a bit. There are absolute things he's not being honest about, then based on those things, I have to question every thing he says.

Would it involve a couple aliases? I suspected something but then shruged it off.

Would it involve a couple aliases? I suspected something but then shruged it off.

Actually no it's not that. Lets just say some things have been said over a long period of time that didn't fit with more recent statements and the threads were pointed out to me and they didn't add up to honesty on his part.

Actually no it's not that. Lets just say some things have been said over a long period of time that didn't fit with more recent statements and the threads were pointed out to me and they didn't add up to honesty on his part.

Could it be a nation hacking?

Could it be a nation hacking?

No, none of those things. Steph summed it up very well.

Actually no it's not that. Lets just say some things have been said over a long period of time that didn't fit with more recent statements and the threads were pointed out to me and they didn't add up to honesty on his part.


Hmph! A pity. He sounded ok.

But this is the Net. How do you validate what a person really is like? Something I learned while modding at 3DO. All kinds of people are on the Net and game sites seem to bring out the more "interesting" types! ;)

There are several.

Purly Euclid, for starters. I rarely agree with him, but I can never fault him on reasoning or backing up his points.

Bottle, at least on religious topics. We're on opposite sides of the field, but I have nothing but the highest respect for her conclusions and her arguments (even if they are sometimes a little snide).

Salishe, always. Sometimes we agree, but even when we don't, I respect the man's thought process and do understand where he's coming from.

There were some other Conservative posters on the old boards who don't seem to have come along to Jolt, but I enjoyed discussing issues with them, even when I was absolutely, positively, 100% certain that they were wrong, wrong, wrong. :)
I can go along with your comment regarding Purly Euclid, although I think he is upset with me most of the time LOL, but yeah we have had some good debates.

As far as Salishe is concerned, all I can say is NO comment.

I have really never locked horns with Bottle.

There were some others on the old boards that put up very good battles and forced me to go to the resource department to get ammunition. Very challenging debates indeed. The best debates are where both parties can actually learn something, although it can be painful at times, if you catch my drift.

The posters that are the most annoying, are those who stick strictly with opinion and are unwilling or unable to back up their claims. They will repeat their claim over and over, ad nauseum, and all that does is cheapen the debate? Rhetoric and opinion are not useful debating tools, as far as I am concerned.

Having stated all that, there are also times when there needs to be a bit of humour tossed in, just to lighten things up a bit. Some posters seem to have a good talent for that, and I think you do a good job there Berk :)

Hmph! A pity. He sounded ok.

But this is the Net. How do you validate what a person really is like? Something I learned while modding at 3DO. All kinds of people are on the Net and game sites seem to bring out the more "interesting" types! ;)

Is that 3DO the game company?

Is that 3DO the game company?

You mean the Ex-game company! ;)

Well Tripp is trying to bring it back.

But to your question, why yes it is....

You're assuming that I actually respect anyone on this board.

You mean the Ex-game company! ;)

Well Tripp is trying to bring it back.

But to your question, why yes it is....

You are as a God among men to me.

I often disagree with my best friend who also posts on here. so, I choose him.

You're assuming that I actually respect anyone on this board.

That's ok Mu Mu.

Nobody likes you either! :p

What constitutes an "opposing views" poster? Because I agree with half of what Stephistan says and disagree with the other half. Does that make her an "opposing views" poster? Because if it does then I say her.

You are as a God among men to me.

Why thank you!

Were you a community denizen?

That's ok Mu Mu.

Nobody likes you either! :p

My work here is done. :cool:

I'll respect anyone who I can have a debate with that doesnt degenerate into them making crude suggestions as to my ancestry :)

I'll respect anyone who I can have a debate with that doesnt degenerate into them making crude suggestions as to my ancestry :)

Thats enough out of you, convict!!

Thats enough out of you, convict!!

Hehe, not quite. Though i'd probably be proud in a way if I was actually a descendant of them.

Back in the olden days, when it was all different to how it is now...

you know, back when 'jolt' was a high-caffeine energy drink, and nationstates still had it's own forum....

back in that dream-time, i had another nation (the Democratic Republic of Western Shinma), and had one arch-nemesis... with whom I locked horns in a demonic titan battle, over issues of religion - but, who I kept in the highest regard, and really did feel like I learned something from our head-to-heads.

I think he was 'Satan', but, he doesn't seem to be around anymore...

Stephistan, CanuckHeaven, Berkylvania, Free Soviets, and Zep have all earned my respect.

Hmm, this is a good question. I'm going to go with "Pepsiholics"

Pepsiholics is on the wrong side habitually in my opinion of the argument, however, he deals in facts even if he does tend to spin them, but I suppose we all do that.

I use to think Eli as well, but he's gone a bit extreme these days.

Also, he doesn't come around very much any more, but I use to also have quite a bit of respect for Redneck Geeks even though we never agreed politically.


:) just don't agree with you on war politics is all.

we probably agree on a lot of social issues, not war, taxes, fiscal policy.

Also I'm on the Meritocracy's site fairly regularly now and they're keeping me busy.

I'll respect anyone who I can have a debate with that doesnt degenerate into them making crude suggestions as to my ancestry :)

No worries!

You limmies are all right!

:p

These people are definitely a lot smarter and wiser than I am: Simkaria, Bottle, Zeppistan, Hatcham Woods