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I'm interested to see how many people would vote for who? I'm labeled as a democrat, however I do have some republican point of views. I'm going into business and of course share most republican views on that. Although I'm hoping Kerry takes over because President Bush did mislead us into the Iraq war and he isn't showing good signs of a leader. I don't know who would do a better job with the economy but I believe Kerry would do a better job with healthcare. Who is everyone voting for?


VOTE FOR KERRY

Wrong Forum... This belongs in General...

Definitely Bush. Kerry's a gutless liberal.

Voting for more Bush!

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I would vote for Bush, because he liberated a country, as if a stupid liberal will do that, but I don't like voting, I prfere dictatorship if I rule. Stupid Clinton for pulling the soldiers out of Somilia.

I'm not voting for either of them. I'm voting for Michael Peroutka of the Constitution Party.

Neither. Bush is a coward. Kerry can't decide what he's doing.

Libertarian all the way.

well i am a republican and truth be told i am voting for bush. i do like some of kerry's proposals but he dances around the issues and i hated edwards speech at the democratic convention vehemently. bush was also mislead into the war. his cabnet and intelligence people told him the wrong information and therefor it is not his fault. he went in with the information he had and also saw it as a promblem. also iraq was funding Al Queda and if you take away their money then what are they going to do? they have to be frugal and move even more stelthy but at the same time worry about funding from other sources and with a war on terroism and seeing what america has done with iraq with freeing it's people and setting up new legislation, then other countries and money sources will not harbor terroists and/ or fund them. at least we hope not and it seems to be working for the time being. what i don't like about the kerry campaign is that they relpied to the negative ads and if i remember correctly they are the ones who started it. they could have been the better people by not even aswering it with a negative ad, but they did. they are also hammering in that he went to vietnam and won 3 purple hearts. i don't like that because many people couldn't go because health reasons or family reasons. my dad was in vietnam though he wasn't supposed to go. he joined the army and went and got blown up in a tank and had to wear a woman's gertal for a while and so therefor he won a purple heart. yes it is heroic to fight for your country but you don't have to go to war and the frount lines in another counrty to do. abigail adams didn't go to war but yet she did so much as a woman in a time when women had extremly little rights. she made all her family's clothes, sold many articles that her husband John Adams sent over to her for extra money, she also managed the farms and money while John was away for mor than 10 years. Women were not allowed to take care of money or even thought to be able to handle it at all. the men were suppose to take care of things like than and the farm and what not. She also raised the kids and helped clean the house and make the meals. if you make 3 meals a day just back in those times, you would have no time for anything else. It takes a long time to make a meal with the resources in that time period. she also recorded every thing she saw or heard on the revolution. she was a witness to the American revolution and she wrote devotedly to her husband almost every day. No matter what. Sometimes her husband even read her letters to other congressmen in the new american government and while they were establishing a new constitution and government. she also was blessed to have a husband that listened to her for her thoughts and looked at her as an equal. women were not looked at as intelligent or brave or even heroic, but she was all of those things. you do not have to be fighting in a war to be brave and you don't have to be einstein to be brillant and you don't have to free people and all to be a hero. You can be a hero to your child or friend by just listening and being there. You can be brillent by just using you common knowlegde, You can be intelligent by listening to others and then thinking and desyphering what they have to say and where you stand with it. People are more than a title and a history and races. We all have our seperate opinons, but we determine which political party we are in. I believe that everyone has their own unique set of issues and things that are important to them and now and then another person or party happens to come along that shares that same thoughts on those things or ranks them the same according to importance the same(usually not all issues and things because that would be nearly impossible) . well i i hope that does it for now. Thanks! Bye!

N.W.

Well i was reading this thing on line about how bush is the antichrist and it makes sense but i think kerrys pretty much out to so neither

This should help you decide

http://www.jibjab.com/

But Kerry all the friggin way/

I would vote for Bush, because he liberated a country, as if a stupid liberal will do that, but I don't like voting, I prfere dictatorship if I rule. Stupid Clinton for pulling the soldiers out of Somilia.

Sorry, but it's not our job to liberate countries, or else maybe we should be invading North Korea, Cuba, or Iran right now. Our soldiers have no business in places like Somalia, and all we are really accomplishing by that is putting our troops in harm's way on the taxpayer's dollar when they could be home protecting their own country. We are not the Earth Cops, that should be the UN's job, even though they don't do too great a job at it.

Sorry, but it's not our job to liberate countries, or else maybe we should be invading North Korea, Cuba, or Iran right now. Our soldiers have no business in places like Somalia, and all we are really accomplishing by that is putting our troops in harm's way on the taxpayer's dollar when they could be home protecting their own country. We are not the Earth Cops, that should be the UN's job, even though they don't do too great a job at it.

Agreed. We're not Mr. Globocop. Our job is not to break up nations when they have temper tantrums and fight among themselves. Those are regional problems, not global ones, and either way, they are none of our business unless they prove to be a dire threat to our security or sovereignty (but of course, Iraq, Somalia, Kosovo, etc. posed neither).

The response your looking for is right in front of our faces. Look at it this way, if you will. To be a president one should be qualified, correct? Just like at your job (or someone you know, in case you dont have one) If you dont have the experience then you dont get hired. Now as president of the USA you are in charge of our military, in fact your the supreme commander of all military forces. Now i am a war veteran. Bush has no military experienc(he never showed up for his Air NG drills) where as Kerry has served in Viet Nam and has fought for our country. Why might this be good? Knowing what war is and what its like from the point of view of a veteran is different from the view of a non-vet, clearly. Most if not all war vets are against any military involvement in another country becuase we know what its like weve been there andlived through it. I couldnt send young men and women off to some country to die as easilly as Bush has, because Bush doesnt know what its like, its easy for him. Its not his kids dying over there, its mine, ours!! Bush is a liar!! And as for the unrest that Iraq has had and all the bad things that Saddam has done....uhhh, sorry folks but hes been doing that for over 20 years, so why do we invade now and not 20 years ago???? Why arent we invading Israel, they are killing each other almost everday???? Ask yourself and come up with your own answer not someone elses, please think before you vote, my childrens lifes depend on you!!

Here is the view of the World (minus the U.S. of A):

Bush is labeled as a cowboy from Texas with no feeling for international politics. He still thinks that if you defeat the army the country will get better but that strategy isn't used since WWII. After that you had the Communists and the US noticed that if you want to change a nation , you have to defeat his army AND help her build up afterwarts. Bush hasn't got a clue about this(In Europe everybody was shocked when (after going to Afghanistan)Bush did NOT know where Afghanistan was) and he is ignoring the tribal culture which is there for over 5000 years.

Then there is Israel, a nation he supports because of the money of the American Jews, is this a real foreign policy. He ALWAYS supports Sharon. For Europe it is ok when he does it sometimes but not every time.

The Rest of The World would like JFK II as a president because he is(we think) better in foreign politics than BUSH. Maybe he can make something from Iraq. Bush proved he couldn't. Where are the WMD? It is ok when you remove a dictator :D but why this one (and not Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe's dictator). Because of the oil?Because he had to 'finish the job' from his daddy?We don't know but we would like to give Kerry a chance.

So the Rest of the World thinks(except the weaponslobby) ABB!
On the other issues(economy,social security, states rights) we think that not much will change so it is clearly about Iraq and National Security.

If you want the best for the world, you vote Kerry. Give the man a chance, he can't be worse then now and after 4 years you can sack him;)

Kerry, because simply put, Bush is a liar and an immoral hypocrite.

The world is praying for Kerry.. literally. (I don't personally pray, but the thought is the same) The whole world can't be wrong. When you see so many of the world and at least 50% of Americans (who vote) all in the same thought pattern, there has to be some thing to it. It's not a fluke the world hates Bush, it's him not us. Think about it this way.. If you go to school and there is one kid that no one likes, he's a bully , he's not a team player.. and then he thinks every one hates him because he's better then them, no they hate him because he's an idiot. Same case here.

Definitely Bush. Kerry's a gutless liberal.

I believe you are absolutley correct. Even though Bush lead us into Iraq he did it for a good reason. REMEMBER!! THEY ATTACKED US FIRST!! Or did you forget that important little detail. Bush did this:sniper:this:mp5:and this:gundge:not this :fluffle:. A left wing like Kerry would have said " :confused: Aww its alright we don't blame you you just grew up in a bad neighborhood we forgive you." Bush did not do that and that is why I would vote for Bush and definitely not Kerry. I am republican all the way!

I believe you are absolutley correct. Even though Bush lead us into Iraq he did it for a good reason. REMEMBER!! THEY ATTACKED US FIRST!! Or did you forget that important little detail. Bush did this:sniper:this:mp5:and this:gundge: and not this :fluffle:. A left wing like Kerry would have said " :confused: Aww its alright we don't blame you you just grew up in a bad neighborhood we forgive you." Bush did not do that and that is why I would vote for Bush and definitely not Kerry. I am republican all the way!

Actually, I have forgotten. When did Iraq attack us?

Bush has no military experienc(he never showed up for his Air NG drills) where as Kerry has served in Viet Nam and has fought for our country.
I don't like Bush one little bit, but this argument doesn't hold up.

Like it or not, Bush has been Commander in Chief for the past 3 years. He's made decisions that sent men and women to their deaths, and I for one don't think for a minute that those deaths don't haunt him. When he was elected, we were not at war, and his lack of experience then didn't seem to matter as much to the electorate. Now that we're in the middle of a fighting war, it becomes more relevant.

Fight Bush on his inconsistencies, his foreign policy direction, or his desire to lead the nation away from a secular form of government. Plenty of fertile ground there if you want to plow it up. But you can't say the man doesn't have war experience anymore.

Like it or not, Bush has been Commander in Chief for the past 3 years. He's made decisions that sent men and women to their deaths, and I for one don't think for a minute that those deaths don't haunt him.

I do doubt it, if it haunted him so much how come he's the first president to not attend a single one of these servicemen or womens' funerals?

A big thanks to Paltrik for remembering an event that never happened. Now fill in the details. When did Iraq attack us?

We didn't LIBERATE Iraq. They don't want us over there any more than they wanted Saddam. We've killed just as many people as we've put into office. And so far, we've committed some damned heinous crimes. Screw the war criminals, I don't care about them, I mean to the people. So far we've proven we're no better than Saddam. True we united the country, but we united them AGAINST US. Just what we needed.

And if this was about being the good guy, or liberating a country, we'd have been in Africa four years ago, cause the whole continent is one big civil war. But Africa doesn't have massive oil wells. Nor does it have a dictator who almost killed our current president's daddy.

i fyou vote for kerry then you will have him STUCK in that position for 4 years and i don't know about you but he and edwards were also talking about how we have two america's. well they propose that we take money from the rich and give it to the poor. i'm sorry but that is very communist if you think about it. if everyone has the same amount of money then if can end up like the USSR. also i am in the 2% bracet that they will take the money from so who will represent me. i am a minor and i have to pay taxes even though it is illegal. i have to pay thousands of dollars in taxes already. no one will represent me in the white house not because i am a minor but because i am in the 2% bracet that will have to pay more. look at it this way. i am a minor, i have a job as a receptionist, and i go to high school, not to mention that i drive which means i have to pay the higher gas prices now too. my parents have to pay my taxes and my dad has health problems so he can't work anymore, my mom owns a company (CEO) , which she puts all her time and energy into and doesn't even get a pay check because she wants the company to prosper though we make more than 1 mill in profit per year. bush's tax cut was a good thing. yes it gave us a deficit, but have you ever heard you have to spend money to make money? i don't want people to have to pay higher taxes because they worked hard and made it. it is not the american dream to work hard and make something of yourself and prosper? why should we make people who actually make it pay more? they are also the ones who create jobs. with out the big companies we would not have jobs. look at wal-mart. they employ people all over america. should we tax wal-mart more because they are succesful and therefor they have less money to spend on building new stores which means fewer jobs created. look at the big picture people. we have a BIG problem with keeping jobs in the U.S. right now because companies are wanted to outsource over-seas because it is cheaper so they can stay competitive in the market place. kerry is not a bussiness man. if we end the war what will he have to do. he will have to run a country in a tiime of peace and i do not think he is capible of doing so very well. he talks about the companies that send their bussiness over-seas like they are evil. well then i guess his wife is evil because Heinz Ketchup sends a lot of their bussiness over-seas. which makes me wonder why he married her. kerry is not a bussiness man and he never will be. all he knows if war and things like it. Bush is a succesful bussiness man. he has his own company for crying out loud! he is good at bussiness. he can lead us in a time of peace. i know this is not a time of peace, but hopefully it will someday. neither of these canidates are perfect i do admit, and they are human like the rest of us, but think here... use your common sense!!!

N.W.

Don't want any more liberal waffles? No more right-wing theorcratic nutjobs? No green eco-terrorist hippies? Vote Michael Badnarik, the libertarian candidate, and you won't regret it.

I am definitly voting for kerry, a C student christian who is dumb enough to cut money to everyone but the rich should not be the president!
:upyours: bush

Hrmn, yeah I'm going with kerry on this one. Bush and his administration are um, lying sacks of trash and they are running this country into the ground, similart to the job Bush did with all his companies that he headed.

I can't vote, but will say I'd vote for Bush. Kerry is a liar. Everyone's totally for him, but he's a dirty cheat. And that wife of his! Shove it! He says in the his ads that he's going to make America safer, but how can he make it any more safer then it is? He says his going to give people Medicare and make new jobs. That costs money so our taxes will be jacked up a lot. It is not possible to employ every person nor is it possible to give everyone that needs Medicare it. Plus most of congress is Republican and even if Kerry somehow became president and wanted to pass some liberal laws, they won't let him. The only new bills he'll get through is tax raises. And lord do you people complain about how high taxes are! If they are so high now, why would you vote for somebody who would not only raise our taxes, but will refuse to go to war unless we are struck first? Kerry will just wait until a hundred+ Americans are dead before he'll goes to stop them. And you know that little saying he has? Help is on the way? Bush used that exact phrase in a speech way before this election. Kerry stole it. If you people would just take the time to read the facts instead of just being brainwashed by the media then elections would go out better.
And about Bush. He did nothing wrong. We went into Iraq because he got information from a so-called reliable source about nuclear missiles and the likes. I bet you there was some too, but they heard from their "source" that we were going to come in to take them, so they hid them well far away from where anyone would think. We went in because they were under dictatorship, very oppressed. That is not a place you'd like to live while what's-his-face was president. Now those people are free and under a democracy (though I do think it is going to fail-this democracy). We went in because they bombed us. They killed hundreds and hundreds (maybe thousands, can't remember it happened what two years ago?) of people. It affected the whole country in a sort of way. We were living in fear. Once all the known terrorist are gone (though it is a fact we won't get them all and that more will appear.) America and our allies will be safe. Iraq is a dead end though. We can give them a democracy, but there will still be those few who refuse to except.

who else agrees with me that post was so full of ignoranct belief of propaganda that he isnt even worth replying to.

in all hoensty, i would refute your points, but not one is worth refuting, you seem to have no idea what you are saying or much less understand it

I can't vote, but will say I'd vote for Bush. Kerry is a liar. Everyone's totally for him, but he's a dirty cheat. And that wife of his! Shove it! He says in the his ads that he's going to make America safer, but how can he make it any more safer then it is? He says his going to give people Medicare and make new jobs. That costs money so our taxes will be jacked up a lot. It is not possible to employ every person nor is it possible to give everyone that needs Medicare it. Plus most of congress is Republican and even if Kerry somehow became president and wanted to pass some liberal laws, they won't let him. The only new bills he'll get through is tax raises. And lord do you people complain about how high taxes are! If they are so high now, why would you vote for somebody who would not only raise our taxes, but will refuse to go to war unless we are struck first? Kerry will just wait until a hundred+ Americans are dead before he'll goes to stop them. And you know that little saying he has? Help is on the way? Bush used that exact phrase in a speech way before this election. Kerry stole it. If you people would just take the time to read the facts instead of just being brainwashed by the media then elections would go out better.
And about Bush. He did nothing wrong. We went into Iraq because he got information from a so-called reliable source about nuclear missiles and the likes. I bet you there was some too, but they heard from their "source" that we were going to come in to take them, so they hid them well far away from where anyone would think. We went in because they were under dictatorship, very oppressed. That is not a place you'd like to live while what's-his-face was president. Now those people are free and under a democracy (though I do think it is going to fail-this democracy). We went in because they bombed us. They killed hundreds and hundreds (maybe thousands, can't remember it happened what two years ago?) of people. It affected the whole country in a sort of way. We were living in fear. Once all the known terrorist are gone (though it is a fact we won't get them all and that more will appear.) America and our allies will be safe. Iraq is a dead end though. We can give them a democracy, but there will still be those few who refuse to except.

I think your location says it all, in your own reality.

You people are ignorant. Watch the news, read the facts. In my defense, most of that was my opinion and you shouldn't criticize my beliefs. Also some of that was true. If you used what is in your head called a brain and looked it up then you would know I was right in most of the matters. If I'm wrong and you have written proof, by all means prove me wrong.

Bush or Kerry?

Pepsi or Cola?

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like is aid i would refute it but you so engrossed in propaganda there is no point

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like is aid i would refute it but you so engrossed in propaganda there is no point

Look, Balsowood is correct. if you just read and listen to the news and have done since the beginning of Bush's run as president, then you would know that what Balsowood is saying is correct and i am not just saying this because i am republican. hell, i can't even vote b/c i am a minor! but also what you said just proves that what Balsowood said is correct because you won't prove what he/she (don't know which Balsowood is) said. it just goes against you. you can't even find reliable info to prove him/her wrong. and i have looked.

N.W.

I prefer Bush very highly over Kerry.

This is because I think that Kerry doesn't know what he's talking about. The people he runs for, like the poor, are beyond his concept. He will never be poor and will never have family values (I like people with strong family values).

He also blames Bush for the war.

I blame Clinton for all the bad intelligence. He virtually cut off all funding for the Intelligence Agency and the army as well. I was reading a magazine on time and came across an article about the US army using Veitnam age helicopters and such. That stuff is so old, I doubt that even Al Queda doesn't have anything from that period.

So if the US population asked me who I think is to blame, I'd say Clinton. Not that I would care except people are trying to blame Bush.

Also a note. FOR GOD'S SAKE, DON'T VOTE ONLY WITH THE WAR IN MIND. DON'T LISTEN TO ONLY JACKASSES LIKE KERRY. (Pun intended)

Of course if I thought that a Republican one year would be a bad choice, and the democrat would be a good leader, I would vote democrat.

Kerry!