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Last year there was one girl on the school football team, I didn't have a problem with that at all, but my mom said that she thought it was completely wrong to let her be on the team. Her opinion was that a girl being on a football team is like a boy going out for an all-girl cheerleading squad. She also thinks that if girls want to play football, they should have their own league. I want an outside opinion, what do you think about girls playing football?

Last year there was one girl on the school football team, I didn't have a problem with that at all, but my mom said that she thought it was completely wrong to let her be on the team. Her opinion was that a girl being on a football team is like a boy going out for an all-girl cheerleading squad. She also thinks that if girls want to play football, they should have their own league. I want an outside opinion, what do you think about girls playing football?
Well, if there was a separate league for her to play in she certianly should be playing in that league, however if there was no separate league, more power to her to play with the guys.

sure. i mean, as long as everyone's held to the same rules and expectations, why should it just be a man's sport. similarly, why shouldn't the men be permitted to be cheerleaders? that doesn't make sense either.

Course it's ok, so long as she doesn't complain about difficulty.

I mean, if someone has the skills, let them play.

But letting men become cheerleaders = wrong.

sure. i mean, as long as everyone's held to the same rules and expectations, why should it just be a man's sport. similarly, why shouldn't the men be permitted to be cheerleaders? that doesn't make sense either.

That's my mother's example.

Well, if there was a separate league for her to play in she certianly should be playing in that league, however if there was no separate league, more power to her to play with the guys.

What? You'd like to see girls get hurt? You are cruel.

Course it's ok, so long as she doesn't complain about difficulty.

I mean, if someone has the skills, let them play.

But letting men become cheerleaders = wrong.

Why is it wrong? Don't you want equality?

What? You'd like to see girls get hurt? You are cruel.

How do you know that they would get hurt. Lots of girls are as tough or tougher than guys.

Are all-girl cheerleading squads allowed at your school? Unless there is a co-ed or all male cheer squad for the males to join, this is blatant sexism, and completely wrong.

*not intentionally insulting your mother*
But that seems like a pretty sexist viewpoint...We decided separate but equal didn't work several decades ago.
But yeah, if the girl is good enough to make the team, let her on, ditto with the guy in the cheerleading squad
There was a guy in my school that wanted to be in the auxillary for the band (I think he wanted to be a flag twirler) but the band director said he could only do it if he wore the same outfit as the girls.
Personally I think he should've accepted. She never would've let him actually go onto the football field in the spandex + short skirt.

Why not? There's no logical, valid explanation why a girl can't play a "guy's" sport. Certainly, if there were enough girls to create a female team, she should play on that because she'd be playing with more equal peers, but if not, let them play on the boys team.

If you want, ask her about women in men's professions and vice versa. It's the same thing as say a female surgeon in the 1950's (I don't know if this is an acurrate date, but you get the picture) or male nurses.

Are all-girl cheerleading squads allowed at your school? Unless there is a co-ed or all male cheer squad for the males to join, this is blatant sexism, and completely wrong.

In the town that I live in I don't think there has ever been a male cheerleader. I'm not sure if it is just not allowed or if no male has been interested in becoming a cheerleader.

What? You'd like to see girls get hurt? You are cruel.
I don't see the equivalence. Do you only allow boys to be on football teams in order to see them get hurt, you cruel bastard?

*not intentionally insulting your mother*
But that seems like a pretty sexist viewpoint...We decided separate but equal didn't work several decades ago.
But yeah, if the girl is good enough to make the team, let her on, ditto with the guy in the cheerleading squad
There was a guy in my school that wanted to be in the auxillary for the band (I think he wanted to be a flag twirler) but the band director said he could only do it if he wore the same outfit as the girls.
Personally I think he should've accepted. She never would've let him actually go onto the football field in the spandex + short skirt.

I don't agree with my mother, so that's fine.

That's my mother's example.

yeah, i was kind of dismissing your mother's example of not allowing men on cheerleading squads. they should be allowed there as well. everyone should be able to do what they want and are physically, mentally and emotionally capable of.

In the town that I live in I don't think there has ever been a male cheerleader. I'm not sure if it is just not allowed or if no male has been interested in becoming a cheerleader.Well I have no problem with something being single sex through default, just through rules. People are differnet and have different interests, so you shouldn't force males to be cheerleaders just to have a co-ed squad.

I few more things I have heard before on this topic:

*Girls only try to go out for the football team to get attention.
*They should join their own league or just not play at all.
*Sports aren't usually co-ed so a girl playing doesn't make sense.

Last year there was one girl on the school football team, I didn't have a problem with that at all, but my mom said that she thought it was completely wrong to let her be on the team. Her opinion was that a girl being on a football team is like a boy going out for an all-girl cheerleading squad. She also thinks that if girls want to play football, they should have their own league. I want an outside opinion, what do you think about girls playing football?

If she has the speed, the skill, and the power of any guy on the team, why not?

If she is not as fast, as skillful, or as able to play and play rough, then no -- just like any guy trying out.

I few more things I have heard before on this topic:

*Girls only try to go out for the football team to get attention.
*They should join their own league or just not play at all.
*Sports aren't usually co-ed so a girl playing doesn't make sense.


Let's change a few of those...

*Blacks only try to get into politics to get attention.
*They should run their own community government or not get into politics at all.
*Well, the vote was only all-white males, so a black voting or being a politician doesn't make sense.


Does it sound prejudiced and backwards? It should. Those same arguments were used to keep people from being truly equal and free.

Just because something has always been done one way does not mean that it is the right way and that it does not need to change for the better.

I don't think a girl should be allowed to play on a guy's team. I've been there, this big black girl at my school wanted to be on our football team, I have no doubt she could hack it but it ruins the team cohesion and testosterone level.

Should there be a girl's football league? sure. Should a coach have to allow a girl to play on his team? No

I voted
"Why shouldn't they? They have a right."
What I really meant to say was Rugby.
I had a female supervisor(she was fairly hot I might add)
Who played Rugby in an amteur league around my area it was co-ed.
Now since we are not talking NFL football then I say sure.

The machinies in the NFL that have been bred like livestock to be human frieght trains, well no I dont beleive that a women should be allowed in that league.
Highschool football, hell yeah.
I went to school with some chicks who could putthe hammer down on a lot of guys three times their size.
Your mom, is just too old fashion.
I play football with my daughters, and tell your mom when I pitch the baseball at my 8 year old I have beaned her on purpose so she knows pitchers will do that and so she wont be afraid if she gets hit to get back up and try again.
Girls in sports is fine.

*Girls only try to go out for the football team to get attention.So? About half of the males who were on my highschool football team only did it to get attention. I don't think this can be said to be true for all females who try out for the football team, surely there are some who enjoy the game. Unless you can determine the motive of the individual in trying out for the team and exclude all who's motive is to get attention then this is really a non-issue.

*They should join their own league or just not play at all. There are advantages to segregated leagues, true, if they can be made equal. But unless your high school has a female football team in an area with a female football league, the option just isn't there. However to allow females to enjoy the football experience, all one need do is have them play on the highschool team, so what's the big deal?

*Sports aren't usually co-ed so a girl playing doesn't make sense. I was going to adress the issue, but instead I'll attack the logic. Because it is, so it must always be. Right. And Bush is the president of the US so replacing him in the future (say in eighty years when his corpse is starting to stink) makes no sense.

Sure, why not?

If she has the speed, the skill, and the power of any guy on the team, why not?

If she is not as fast, as skillful, or as able to play and play rough, then no -- just like any guy trying out.

Yeah, if she just feels like playing but is a horrible player then, no. But if she is a really good player and there is no girls' league to join it would just be sexist to not let her play.

I remember in Middle School, the best football player in the school was a girl. However, she wasn't allowed to play.


After losing the first two games, the school changed it's mind and let her-they promptly won the next two :p



I say, go for it. Why not, really?

So this is a minor hi-jack, but everyone seems to agree if you got the skills you get to take the field, so I have an additional question.....
There are some sports that I wonder if they really need to be gender seperated.

Track: Are men across the board faster then women (at the top level, there are a ton of women, children, pets that are faster runners than me....)

Swimming: Same deal.

Golf: Opinions of the sport aside, do men at the top level score so much better that there needs to be seperation?

Gymnastics (again, opinions aside) do need seperation, men can't get near as twisty as women....

there are some other ones that have occoured to me, but I can't think of them at the moment, but you all get the idea.

I should say this is probably immediately verifyable, I just don't know where to look for the numbers.

No, because in football it’s customary to give pats on to bum. After all with all of the padding people put on it’s one of the few places where player can actually feel anything. Well you could pat people on the arms, but that just isn’t any kind of a reassuring pat. You get girls on the team and sexual harassment suits could skyrocket. Either that or bum patting would have to disappear, giving players a lack of any assuring contact, which could lead to bouts of depression and suicidal tendencies.

Sure, why not?

I'm on my high school football team, going into senior year now. At a recent event we had gone to, one team had a girl on their team. First and only girl I've ever seen on a high school football team. As long as the girls can pull their weight, I sure wouldn't have a problem is any of them on the team with me and the guys.

What? You'd like to see girls get hurt? You are cruel.
Yes HannibalSmith, that's what he said :rolleyes:

Being from the UK my knowladge on American football isn't great. But i would ask whether there would be a contact issue, perhaps I'm outdated but I would not go in for a tackle or contact with a female player with nearly as much effort as I would to a man. For that whole basic contact reason and the fact that people might complain if people toached certain places i would have thought different leagues for men and women would make more sense, at least once people go to high school. ( i dont know if you have kiddy leagues for American Football, if you did then a single league for them would probably work)

Theres a girl at my school who plays on the boys JV hockey team when she could be on Varsity girls. She wants to be better than your average girl. I guess... It doesn't really mkater to me in any way. Girls, Guys as long as theyu understand the risks.

No, because in football it’s customary to give pats on to bum. After all with all of the padding people put on it’s one of the few places where player can actually feel anything. Well you could pat people on the arms, but that just isn’t any kind of a reassuring pat. You get girls on the team and sexual harassment suits could skyrocket. Either that or bum patting would have to disappear, giving players a lack of any assuring contact, which could lead to bouts of depression and suicidal tendencies.
Yep, that wins it. That has got to get the award for the absolute dumbest arguement ever. And yet, strangely plausible. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess this is a parody. If so, I laugh with you. If not, I laugh in your face.

Being from the UK my knowladge on American football isn't great. But i would ask whether there would be a contact issue, perhaps I'm outdated but I would not go in for a tackle or contact with a female player with nearly as much effort as I would to a man. For that whole basic contact reason and the fact that people might complain if people toached certain places i would have thought different leagues for men and women would make more sense, at least once people go to high school. ( i dont know if you have kiddy leagues for American Football, if you did then a single league for them would probably work)

Being on a football team, a ball carrier is a ball carrier. Male of female, I could tell you there would be little of no discrimination as far as how hard someone is going to get hit. As far as the touching, it probably wouldn't be any more than what already happens. Seeing the girl that played for the high school at the even I talked about in my previous post, and seeing what some of the women from the female minor leagues, they aren't the type many guys would be touching a whole lot in the first place. I know that is kind of setting a stereotype on the situation, but it does hold it's truths.

Being from the UK my knowladge on American football isn't great. But i would ask whether there would be a contact issue, perhaps I'm outdated but I would not go in for a tackle or contact with a female player with nearly as much effort as I would to a man. For that whole basic contact reason and the fact that people might complain if people toached certain places i would have thought different leagues for men and women would make more sense, at least once people go to high school. ( i dont know if you have kiddy leagues for American Football, if you did then a single league for them would probably work)I've played rugby with girls... if you don't go for a tackle full fucking pelt, you're going to get walked on. You try it once... you won't try it again.

If a girl is good enough to be on the team, if she can play at the same level as the other players... why wouldn't they want her on the team? Surely it'd help them win, so they'd be mad to turn it down, right?

Yep, that wins it. That has got to get the award for the absolute dumbest arguement ever. And yet, strangely plausible. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess this is a parody. If so, I laugh with you. If not, I laugh in your face.
*Laughs alongside Spoffin*

They should certainly be allowed the option.

*Laughs alongside Spoffin*
Lol, excellent.

Of COURSE she should be on the football team... if she got on for talent. I don't believe anyone should be let on a team,corps, squad, band, whatever just because they are in the minority. They do that at honor band.. There are possibly 15 seats open for a certain instrument, and you have to have a certain score or above to get in. IF there are only 10 people who get the minimum score, then there are only 10 in the section that year. If a girl tries out for the football team and she can outplay enough of the guys to get a spot, she deserves it.

And what's wrong with male cheerleaders? It's like saying guys shouldn't be on color guard/flag corps. There are a few drum corps that are ALL male, including the guard.. and those guys? Amazing. Male cheerleaders work just as hard as the females, and if they can do their job, they should be on the squad.

OK!.....NO! Football is different from other sports, Im 16 and I play O-line(center), Im about 200 pounds and about 5'9. And I was the smallest linemen on my team but i started :). Anyways girls aren't strong enough or even if they think otherwise mentally able to play the game. It's a lot of intimidation and stuff like that, that goes on during a game poeple get phycopathic and start hitting like nothing. Girls cant handle this I don't care what they say. I thought it would be way different before I staretd in High school and I was totally wrong, theres lots of vioelnce and stuff as well some kids want a scholarship so they play way harder than others. Also in school how big are most girls like 100 punds and 5'4...the average guy on my team is over 200 pounds. And most of us hit the gym all summer and school year.

Secondly in Pro football I would definatkey say NO! 300lb linemen, Linebackers who are about 250lbs of muscle, even trhe receivers are huge. Girls aren't able to compete. I heard of a girl playing at a high school near me when I asked what position they said kicker and I laughed. As kicker really doesn't count as that involves no contact with other players and even I can kick a feild goal. And I'm a center!

Girls have an unfair advantage. All they'd have to do is take off their tops and run to the other end of the field.

They'd win every game.

Also in school how big are most girls like 100 punds and 5'4...the average guy on my team is over 200 pounds. And most of us hit the gym all summer and school year.

what the fuck? i guarantee you that the average girl is more than 100lbs. so many people think i weigh 100lbs when i'm 140... guys vastly underestimate the weight of girls.
also, have you seen the 105lb, 5'0" female powerlifter? she can lift like 4 times her weight over her head. you don't have to be huge to be strong.

you vastly underestimate women and you're an ass. women put up with a lot more taunting than the average man does. you know how you got beat up growing up? women get verbally abused their whole lives by their peers if they don't quite fit in, to say that a girl could not put up with the taunting is ludicrous.

I don't think a girl should be allowed to play on a guy's team. I've been there, this big black girl at my school wanted to be on our football team, I have no doubt she could hack it but it ruins the team cohesion and testosterone level.

Why? Because the guys are afraid she'll make them look bad? Or they'll be distracted by the possibility of OMG grabbing something soft and rounded in a tackle?

No, because in football it’s customary to give pats on to bum. After all with all of the padding people put on it’s one of the few places where player can actually feel anything.

We should do that here! Finally, a sport I can enjoy!

EDIT: I'm British, just to clarify.

Course it's ok, so long as she doesn't complain about difficulty.

I mean, if someone has the skills, let them play.

But letting men become cheerleaders = wrong.


their are already plenty of male cheerleaders.. i even know a few.. alot of schools have them these days..

No, because in football it’s customary to give pats on to bum. After all with all of the padding people put on it’s one of the few places where player can actually feel anything. Well you could pat people on the arms, but that just isn’t any kind of a reassuring pat. You get girls on the team and sexual harassment suits could skyrocket. Either that or bum patting would have to disappear, giving players a lack of any assuring contact, which could lead to bouts of depression and suicidal tendencies.


OR people could not get so hyper about it and use good sense to realize it's not harassment...

Though it DOES look funny for these giant guys who've been trying to kill each other to touch each others' butts. ;)

*not intentionally insulting your mother*
But that seems like a pretty sexist viewpoint...We decided separate but equal didn't work several decades ago.
But yeah, if the girl is good enough to make the team, let her on, ditto with the guy in the cheerleading squad
There was a guy in my school that wanted to be in the auxillary for the band (I think he wanted to be a flag twirler) but the band director said he could only do it if he wore the same outfit as the girls.
Personally I think he should've accepted. She never would've let him actually go onto the football field in the spandex + short skirt.


lol, yea.. mmm.. i know plenty of guys who would have called her on that too pity none of them went to your school...

Ok, i don't know a great deal about American football except that it's a very rough contact sport so i'm going to say that it really depends on the level that they're playing at and the situation.

If they are big enough and good enough then they should be given the opportunity or there should at least be a girls team (maybe reverse the roles in that one, female players male cheerleaders). The only comparison I can make is with rugby in which females can sometimes play with males up to a certain level, but they always have the option of a girls team, in fact there are even international female teams.

Or they'll be distracted by the possibility of OMG grabbing something soft and rounded in a tackle?
See now, personally, I'd find that pretty much a good thing. I don't understand sports at all.

what the fuck? i guarantee you that the average girl is more than 100lbs. so many people think i weigh 100lbs when i'm 140... guys vastly underestimate the weight of girls.
also, have you seen the 105lb, 5'0" female powerlifter? she can lift like 4 times her weight over her head. you don't have to be huge to be strong.

you vastly underestimate women and you're an ass. women put up with a lot more taunting than the average man does. you know how you got beat up growing up? women get verbally abused their whole lives by their peers if they don't quite fit in, to say that a girl could not put up with the taunting is ludicrous.

Of course a 105 pound female weighlifter can lift weights there pure muscles...4 times her weight no not even men can do that. except the 1000 pound lift but you bring that to you knees not over your head.

Im not talking size. I know size doesn't matter, obviously i know that im only 200 pounds going against 250 to 300 pound guys at my position. thats why i work out im talking about muscle mass not fat. lots of kids are fat thinking they can play line and they get killed.

girls generally even big girls dont have as much muscle as guys.

Girls have an unfair advantage. All they'd have to do is take off their tops and run to the other end of the field.

They'd win every game.

BAH! That would just give guys more incentive to tackle! :D

See now, personally, I'd find that pretty much a good thing. I don't understand sports at all.

LOL, Spoffin, I think we are in agreement on this -- why would guys view tumbling a girl as bad?

;)

i know plenty of girls who are tougher than guys. hell, i know a number of guys that i'm tougher than. i'm tired of people saying that girls are all weak. my boss was on about that when i was saying that some boxes needed to come down from a top shelf. i was saying that the boxes were out of my reach (they were a foot above my arm reach) and he was insisting that they were too heavy for me. the same boxes i'd been throwing around all day...

at any rate, perhaps it wasn't 4 times her body weight, i think they showed her doing 300 lbs or so though... and yes, lots of girls don't have a lot of muscle mass, but lots of them do. i knew a couple of girls in my grade 9 gym class who were benchpressing 100+ lbs when we did our weightlifting unit. to go on about how no girl could handle it is ludicrous. perhaps you're just used to cheerleaders who could be broken in half by a strong breeze (i mean you did say that 100lbs was average), but not all girls are like that.

also, last i checked, quarterbacks didn't seem to be the biggest guys out there, isn't it only the linebackers who are usually huge?

girls generally even big girls dont have as much muscle as guys.
This seems to be gist of your argument. Because most girls are not qualifed, no girl should be allowed to. I wish to point out that most highschool boys aren't up to the physical standard necessary to play competative football on a team who lightest linebacker is 200lbs. Since most boys are not up to the standards of playing football, boys should not be allowed to play football, boys are too weak and don't weight enough.

LOL, Spoffin, I think we are in agreement on this -- why would guys view tumbling a girl as bad?

;)
Given that, from what I understand, the main aim of being a football player is to *ahem* "tumble" girls, I don't get it at all.

I dunno, maybe that kind of thing is uncomfortable when you're wearing a cup.

If a girl can enlist in the army, why not on a football team? :confused:

I dunno, maybe that kind of thing is uncomfortable when you're wearing a cup.
If I understand this argument correctly (and I'm not sure if I've got it right):

If we have co-ed football teams, the boys on the teams may become sexually aroused by contact with girls on the teams. This could cause injuries to the boys, due to the nature and fit of the athletic equipment required for to play football safely.

WAITADAMNMNIUTE, that's a good reason to keep boys off of co-ed football teams, not girls. And if some boys may become sexually aroused by physical contact with females, how about those boys who favor boys? I cannot see discriminating against homosexuals after all.

SO, only girls should be allowed to play football - boys should not be allowed on either single sex or co-ed teams as it is too dangerous for them.

If a girl can enlist in the army, why not on a football team? :confused:

Yeah, exactly. If women can enlist in the ARMY why shouldn't they play football.?

I vote no because they would never let a guy play on the girl's volleyball team.

I vote no because they would never let a guy play on the girl's volleyball team.

I guess that is true, but girls can do things that are usually just for boys because people don't make a big deal out of it. For example a girl could wear boys' clothes and no one would care, but if a boy wore girls clothes there would be an uproar.

their are already plenty of male cheerleaders.. i even know a few.. alot of schools have them these days..

yeah male chearleaders are very common, then again my school doesn't even have female cheerleaders.

What? You'd like to see girls get hurt? You are cruel.

Good argument for outlawing football altogether.

girls playing as field goal kickers and punter would be ok but other than that I don't think it's a good idea...I'm not saying its wrong but it's not a good idea

So this is a minor hi-jack, but everyone seems to agree if you got the skills you get to take the field, so I have an additional question.....
There are some sports that I wonder if they really need to be gender seperated.

Track: Are men across the board faster then women (at the top level, there are a ton of women, children, pets that are faster runners than me....)

Swimming: Same deal.

Golf: Opinions of the sport aside, do men at the top level score so much better that there needs to be seperation?

Gymnastics (again, opinions aside) do need seperation, men can't get near as twisty as women....

there are some other ones that have occoured to me, but I can't think of them at the moment, but you all get the idea.

I should say this is probably immediately verifyable, I just don't know where to look for the numbers.

i agree with you in most circumstances, if it were just a matter of "one team the best players get on" there wouldnt be very many girls in track, swimming, baseball, basketball, etc. so there needs to be gender seperated sports.

but when there is no girls football team, and a girl can qualify, she should be allowed on.

i think its good for the boys too.

did y'all read the news this last year about how the female place kicker for the universtiy of new mexico had been treated up in colorado?

women were treated like dirt there. if more women were ON those teams, in a capacity that makes sense, those men would learn to treat them better. (OK the coach shoulda done that already, but the bastard didnt like women on the team)

mixed gender teams is a good idea ....when its a good idea.

Maybe a Women league. Interleague would be not good as it goes for competition. For fun, sure...

The PT standard's in the Army significantly lower for females. So that doesn't count.

The PT standard's in the Army significantly lower for females. So that doesn't count.
Whose army?

And not quite, according to the US Army the PT standards are the same, it is the measurement of thoe standards which differs. It sounds like sophistry to me too, but that's the US Army's position.

Personally, I prefer the concept of a separate football team/league for each gender. However, that's just my personal feeling. From a legal respect, I don't see any significant grounds to deny a woman the right to play football with men (assuming they are capable of doing so on a comparable level).

I will chime in with an example.

We ran into this case and the head coach was against it. We had a girl that fit the sterotypical image of a bull dyke. Not trying to insult she just did. She lifted abou 250.

She wanted to be a linebacker.

The coach said he had no problem with a kicker, a receiver or even a quarterback. But a position that did a great deal of hitting.

He rejected it on the grounds she was going to get hurt.

Her family threatened to sue. They met and discussed it and he told them he felt she could get hurt. He also promised that he would toss any player that he felt was going after her just to hurt her.

He made that warning to the team. He ruled the team without question and would not think twice about tossing a star player with an attitude.

She came to the practices and went through the "introductory" hits and took it pretty well. The coach reminded the team for 3 other practices and eventually she did get hurt. Badly.

The family tried to sue saying the team wanted to take her out. They settled out of court.

Just on "typical" body design, women are not made for this kind of punishment so I think the injury potential is higher.

Now having said that; should she play? Yes. If has the ability and can take the punishment, there should be no reason why she can't.

Girls shouldn't be allowed to play Rugby Union or AFL. This is because the whole point of these two sports is to give women (ie. me) an excuse to perve on hot guys in tight shorts.* All the other codes can make their own arrangements.

* I am aware that this statement is sexist and hypocritical, but that is somebody else's problem and I never claimed to be a nice person, now did I?

Schools and the sports industry should be privatized. Schools and sports teams should then be free to set their own rules. If a sport at a particular school wants to go coed and a girl wants to join the team so be it. Let the relatively free market decide if the public wants such a school team. The same should apply to college and pro sports teams. Make them totally private and allow them to set their own rules about membership so that people can choose what teams, if any, to support.

Girls shouldn't be allowed to play Rugby Union or AFL. This is because the whole point of these two sports is to give women (ie. me) an excuse to perve on hot guys in tight shorts.* All the other codes can make their own arrangements.

* I am aware that this statement is sexist and hypocritical, but that is somebody else's problem and I never claimed to be a nice person, now did I?
You darn right it's sexist. The whole point of the two sports is to give women and men who are so inclined an excuse to perve on hot guys in tight shorts.

You darn right it's sexist. The whole point of the two sports is to give women and men who are so inclined an excuse to perve on hot guys in tight shorts.

Sorry Squi. Wanna share my opera glasses?

Those Brisbane Lions eh? Phwoar!

http://www.mcg.org.au/content/image/00000557-image.jpg

*Wonders if crotch-protecting cups are part of female American Football equippment*

Perhaps they substituted them for protective brassieres.

For the record, IMO, they should be allowed to play. The (arguably) oldest and most dangerous sport in the world (Military Conflict/War) now incorporate women in frontline roles in many armed forces around the world. So why not let women play a controlled sport with regulations, enforced rules,and protective equippment?

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What? You'd like to see girls get hurt? You are cruel.

No where does he say he want to watch them get hurt. And it's not like you play football to get hurt, is it?

No where does he say he want to watch them get hurt. And it's not like you play football to get hurt, is it?

Actually, that's the only reason I'd ever watch football. To see the guys get nailed.

**shrugs** Four years of high school has brought me to...lets just say an extreem distaste for football players :p. It gives a little joy to see some arse crushed beneath someone bigger then him :p

No, because in football it’s customary to give pats on to bum. After all with all of the padding people put on it’s one of the few places where player can actually feel anything. Well you could pat people on the arms, but that just isn’t any kind of a reassuring pat. You get girls on the team and sexual harassment suits could skyrocket. Either that or bum patting would have to disappear, giving players a lack of any assuring contact, which could lead to bouts of depression and suicidal tendencies.

If a girl(or anyone for that matter) who takes part in a sport where it’s customary to give pats on to bum to cheer the person or how you should call it thinks a pat on the bum while playing the sport is equal to sexual harassment shouldn't play the sport cause she(or anyone) obviously doesn't have that big a clue about the game from the start anyway.

My point is, starting a lawsuit about sexual harassment just because the "victim" was a girl(or boy with a homophobia or something like that) is just plain stupid.

Btw, didn't a NHL-team have a girl as third goalie? Maybe they still do, don't follow it that close.

OK!.....NO! Football is different from other sports, Im 16 and I play O-line(center), Im about 200 pounds and about 5'9. And I was the smallest linemen on my team but i started :). Anyways girls aren't strong enough or even if they think otherwise mentally able to play the game. It's a lot of intimidation and stuff like that, that goes on during a game poeple get phycopathic and start hitting like nothing. Girls cant handle this I don't care what they say.

Lol, say girls can't handle this to a female friend of mine. She isn't very big or so. But to take one example, ones she was on her way home a guy walked up to her with a knife, demanding that she should give him her shoes. How does this end? She down at the policestation and him at the hospital for beeing stabed. He didn't die and I don't think he got that hurt, but anyway... Oh, and she got free from all charges same night because of selfdefence.

Anyway, some girls CAN handle it, no matter what you say. So should some people who can handle it be excluded because of thier sex?

i agree with you in most circumstances, if it were just a matter of "one team the best players get on" there wouldnt be very many girls in track, swimming, baseball, basketball, etc. so there needs to be gender seperated sports.

but when there is no girls football team, and a girl can qualify, she should be allowed on.

i think its good for the boys too.

did y'all read the news this last year about how the female place kicker for the universtiy of new mexico had been treated up in colorado?

women were treated like dirt there. if more women were ON those teams, in a capacity that makes sense, those men would learn to treat them better. (OK the coach shoulda done that already, but the bastard didnt like women on the team)

mixed gender teams is a good idea ....when its a good idea.

Yeah, good point. And for some reason when I read this thread the words "play", "girls", and "football" are the color red in every post. Weird.

I think they should be allowed to play as long as they are good enough.

Over here we play rugby (like American Football without the body armour,
for you uninitiated people) instead, and I know a few girls who are very
good, better than a lot of guys. They can take it, and in a lot of schools, they would be allowed to play on the team.

As for patting bums, it's a tradition, and teams don't get sued for
carrying their star player out shoulder high after victories, despite contact
between bum and shoulder.

So why not? If they're good enough, let them play what they want.

Girls in tight clothes, boobies bouncing around. Yeah!!!

Girls in Armour, very Spartican feeling to it. Yeah!! Me like!

I say only in powderpuff leagues.

Sure let 'em play. Naked.

did y'all read the news this last year about how the female place kicker for the universtiy of new mexico had been treated up in colorado?

I thought the woman place kicker played for Colorado, and the coach said some nasty words about her.

I don't really think girls should play football. The way I see it its the only sport they haven't really gotten a hold of, and I'm damn glad. Sure if they are good enough to play let them play, hell I saw a girl lay out a friend of mine who I might add isn't a push over. It's just the whole thing where its really the only sport guys have left that the opposite sex cannot completely grasp.

Also, unless the girl was the next Ray Lewis or Eddie George I really doubt that any coach would play her.

I thought the woman place kicker played for Colorado, and the coach said some nasty words about her.

I don't really think girls should play football. The way I see it its the only sport they haven't really gotten a hold of, and I'm damn glad. Sure if they are good enough to play let them play, hell I saw a girl lay out a friend of mine who I might add isn't a push over. It's just the whole thing where its really the only sport guys have left that the opposite sex cannot completely grasp.

Also, unless the girl was the next Ray Lewis or Eddie George I really doubt that any coach would play her.

She was in Colorado, and transferred to New Mexico. Or vice versa. I forget.

Originally Posted by Crabcake Baba Ganoush
No, because in football it’s customary to give pats on to bum. After all with all of the padding people put on it’s one of the few places where player can actually feel anything. Well you could pat people on the arms, but that just isn’t any kind of a reassuring pat. You get girls on the team and sexual harassment suits could skyrocket. Either that or bum patting would have to disappear, giving players a lack of any assuring contact, which could lead to bouts of depression and suicidal tendencies.

Actually there isn't as much padding as you would think, and it still hurts wherever you get hit. Trust me, four years of high school football, in a school where football is worshipped through out the year. (If you have seen varsity blues my old high school has about the same atmosphere.)

I think anyone who has played football would agree that as long as the girl can do her job well then there's no reason she shouldn't be able to play. I'd rather have a talented girl playing alongside me than an incompetent guy. When you're actually in the game playing, you're not going to be thinking about the person next to you not having a penis.

Actually there isn't as much padding as you would think, and it still hurts wherever you get hit. Trust me, four years of high school football, in a school where football is worshipped through out the year. (If you have seen varsity blues my old high school has about the same atmosphere.)

I don't know if this is different elsewhere, but at my high school we didn't pat each other on the ass to congratulate each other. We hit each other's helmets. I don't think I ever saw alot of ass-slapping in high school. It was more like, "Good play!" and the hitting of the helmet or shoulder pads.

Girls should have their own league, but they should be allowed to play just as anyone else. Them playing a contact sport like that with guys is just asking for sexual harassment etc.

Girls should have their own league, but they should be allowed to play just as anyone else. Them playing a contact sport like that with guys is just asking for sexual harassment etc.

They can't have their own league, at least not on the high school level, because not nearly enough girls want to play football.

They can't have their own league, at least not on the high school level, because not nearly enough girls want to play football.
That's true. So I guess that until then they'll just have to be willing enough to endure those kind of happenings.

That's true. So I guess that until then they'll just have to be willing enough to endure those kind of happenings.

Well, they should have to sign some sort of waiver to prevent them from suing for on the field contact. Last thing there needs to be is some girl getting all litigous because she thinks she was tackled in an inappropriate manner. I've grabbed more guys' crotches making tackles than I'd care to think about; it's part of the game. As for sideline and locker room stuff, I think most guys aren't as perverted as we're made out to be. 95% are just going to treat her like another teammate. The only problem are those 2 or 3 troublemakers. Now, you can lessen that by having seperate locker rooms; hopefully a team with a female player would do that anyway. I don't really know how to keep the few inappropriate players from acting up, except for severe beatings, and unfortunately you can't do that to high school football players anymore.

Well, they should have to sign some sort of waiver to prevent them from suing for on the field contact. Last thing there needs to be is some girl getting all litigous because she thinks she was tackled in an inappropriate manner. I've grabbed more guys' crotches making tackles than I'd care to think about; it's part of the game. As for sideline and locker room stuff, I think most guys aren't as perverted as we're made out to be. 95% are just going to treat her like another teammate. The only problem are those 2 or 3 troublemakers. Now, you can lessen that by having seperate locker rooms; hopefully a team with a female player would do that anyway. I don't really know how to keep the few inappropriate players from acting up, except for severe beatings, and unfortunately you can't do that to high school football players anymore.
Well usually most highschools have men and women's change rooms nyet? So that isn't really a problem. Off-feild stuff would happen if she was on the team or not.

Voted against for the sake of being sexist.

Well usually most highschools have men and women's change rooms nyet? So that isn't really a problem. Off-feild stuff would happen if she was on the team or not.

Maybe, but it's probably more likely if the girl is practicing and playing with the guy rather than just being in the same high school. Especially if they play the same position.

I agree that girls should be able to play anywhere they want.. But from personal experience (I played on the girls rugby team in high school) guys play much rougher than girls..the advantage of an all girls league is that you get all the fun of the sport without having to play with really agressive guys(not that they are all agressive) however... some girls may want to play at a higher level so playing on the guys team might be right for them. It should be an individual choice.

I agree that girls should be able to play anywhere they want.. But from personal experience (I played on the girls rugby team in high school) guys play much rougher than girls..the advantage of an all girls league is that you get all the fun of the sport without having to play with really agressive guys(not that they are all agressive) however... some girls may want to play at a higher level so playing on the guys team might be right for them. It should be an individual choice.

I don't know. There were plenty of guys on my high school football team who couldn't take a hit to save their lives. We even had a wide reciever who would run out of bounds rather than risk getting tackled, a la Deion Sanders. I think all but the most frail of girls could have replaced him and been an improvement. I don't think most girls could play O-line or D-line, but I think they could fill the skill positions nicely.

hummm... maybe.. I don't know a lot about American Football.. I just know that Rugby can be really rough because of the lack of padding... But come to think of it I guess it's kind of sexist of me to think that just 'cause it's a guys team they'd be aggressive...

Last year there was one girl on the school football team, I didn't have a problem with that at all, but my mom said that she thought it was completely wrong to let her be on the team. Her opinion was that a girl being on a football team is like a boy going out for an all-girl cheerleading squad. She also thinks that if girls want to play football, they should have their own league. I want an outside opinion, what do you think about girls playing football?

i think i like your mother. the point of an all-girl squad is that it's all girls! and if the ladies want to play football, they should have their own league, just like in every other sport. sure i might like having a girl tackle me, but that's beside the point ;) . the sexes may be equal in just about everything that matters in society, but sports are one of the very few (the only thing, really, i can think of after a brief moment of thought) things i'd like to see kept separate.

i think i like your mother. the point of an all-girl squad is that it's all girls! and if the ladies want to play football, they should have their own league, just like in every other sport. sure i might like having a girl tackle me, but that's beside the point ;) . the sexes may be equal in just about everything that matters in society, but sports are one of the very few (the only thing, really, i can think of after a brief moment of thought) things i'd like to see kept separate.

Do you play football?

I don't see the equivalence. Do you only allow boys to be on football teams in order to see them get hurt, you cruel bastard?
Hell we,ve got females in the defence forces, female wrestling teams, female rugby teams ,female football teams ( soccer ) ,

i think i like your mother. the point of an all-girl squad is that it's all girls! and if the ladies want to play football, they should have their own league, just like in every other sport. sure i might like having a girl tackle me, but that's beside the point ;) . the sexes may be equal in just about everything that matters in society, but sports are one of the very few (the only thing, really, i can think of after a brief moment of thought) things i'd like to see kept separate.

I think that girls should play on an all-female team if there is one. But there just isn't one. There probably wouldn't be enough interest to get one started anyway. If a girl is a really good player, but there is no girl team, do you just turn her away. If a coach does that, there goes some talent that he just lost.

Ok...I'm going into my sophomore year of college, but I was a 3 year starter for football and a 4 year starter for baseball. In football I played Outside Linebacker and Wide Reciever.

Now, the only problem I have with a girl playing is that...it would be weird. I can't explain it so that it makes any sense...but it'd just be weird. It isn't like the movies where after the girl makes the boy fall on his face, she says a witty comment and strolls out of the locker room. Football feeds off of weakness. Its the nature of the game. If you're a guy and you're not tough enough, you're prey...how do you think a girl would do?

Also, someone gave an example of a girl who fought off an attacker. Alot of the times, those "gangsta" types don't cut it. (Often it's due to lung capacity because of smoking...lol) It doesn't matter if you can "cap a brudda wit a nine" in football. Football is more mental that physical. You have to have the willpower to fight through the pain, because I'll tell you, it hurts like hell.

When I see athletic girls, basketball stars and such, whine and cry about another girl punching them, I can't see them taking football. My friends and I used to act like idiots and punch each other in the arm as hard as we could and then laugh about it.

Lastly, I'd feel weird about hitting a girl in football. Not when I was doing it, because you can't think in football, you have to act on impule. However, after I did it, I'd feel like shit. I was taught my whole life not to hit girls. I kicked some kid's ass for slapping his girlfriend. I don't care if that's sexist.

I wouldn't have a problem with the idea of a girl playing on my team. However when reality caught up with the parents trying to get their daughter on the team, and as we went through practice, it would begin to bother me. I'm sure of it.

Steel Butterfly,
I have studied Wing Chun and Muay Thai fighting.
One night I said to some friends "Hey lets go outside and Box"
Now you being a football player know thetypical sissie reply "We dont have gloves"
"You mean actually hit each other?" blah blah.
Well my friends girl friend happened to be a black belt in Tae kwon do(s/p?)
She had never done what I suggested(which I grew up doing as a teenager we would full contact/no holds barred all the time).
So while all my tough guy friends hem hawed around she jumped up and said "Sure I will fight you"
Now maybe it is that martial arts stresses not under estimating an opponent, but I have no problem blasting a women in the mouth. You obviously have never seen a real women fight. Mean little monkeys they are.
So we stepped outside and went at it, She asked what to do, I punched her in her face- She figured it out from there.
Now at she was 6'1" bout 160lbs I am 5' 10"200lbs. I "won", however the next day I couldnt walk, and she had cracked some of my ribs,(she asked for quater though).
Now just letting some little "spinner" on the football team is a bad idea, but I know broad who drive a forearm under your grill and into your throat so fast you'd be surely a "slutty susan"(flat on your back).
I have played park ball with girl from school who came to the game with hate on like nobodies business.
99% of the time girls just dont have what it takes, that however should not exclude the 1% who do.

Last year there was one girl on the school football team, I didn't have a problem with that at all, but my mom said that she thought it was completely wrong to let her be on the team. Her opinion was that a girl being on a football team is like a boy going out for an all-girl cheerleading squad. She also thinks that if girls want to play football, they should have their own league. I want an outside opinion, what do you think about girls playing football?

V not? if a girl can play it, good enough to make the team, of course. A girl in our school wanted to join the team, and was let in eventualy, as long as they play good enough.

Why is it that women(some) seem to want to test thier mettle against men constantly? There are major biological and physiolocical differences between the two sexes. Most of it is physical in dealing with strength. Women are not built as wide and dense as men in general. There are some women who can hang with the boys, but they are few and far between. I played football for 5 years in a league with no weight limit. One year, a girl wanted to play on one of the teams. She quarterbacked and was sacked savagly throughout the season. This happened due to boys wanting her out of the league. She did eventually quit. Now while that is not right, she had no buisness being there. What you are dealing with are boys 13-18 yrs old versus girls at the same age range. There is no comparison to the strength capability of a man to a woman. We are both built for different things. Biologically speaking, women are built so they can successfully give birth. While men are built to lift and move heavy objects, also our mass is much greater than that of a woman's
Does this make us better than women? Absolutley not! However does this physically make us stronger than women in general? yes. Women will never be able to compete on the level of men when it comes to sport. Now tennis and golf, bowling..these sports are not centerd around pure use of strength. These are sports that center around eye to hand contact with strength involved. Since these sports are more focused on agility, hand to eye coordination, etc These sport are more equal in thier scope of women and men's competition. Some wome are born to be built powerfull and wide framed. These women might be able to hang with full contact sports. Or perhaps these women are very fast and comparable to a man, then they might have a chance at being successfull. In closing, overall, in general, women are inferior to men physically( strength and prowess at sports) How many women do you see dunk in professional women's basketball? I rest my case. I am not saying that women are inferior to a man as a human being at all, but I do realize that men are superior when it comes to activities that require a great amount of strength and speed. (athletically speaking)

Polish warrior you are correct that on the average the actual muscle density is less in women then in men, that the potential for a women to be as strong potentially as men does not exist except as the exception.
However I have met perhaps two men in my life who were as strong as they could be without chemical aid(and I am not positive about that)
Where as I have met dozens of ordinary women who have strived to reach peak physical conditioning--men usually train for a goal, a sport, a competition.
Women being that most are not atheletes perse' train simply for the sake of training, of excelling.
I think most of you who underestimate women are basing your judgements off of girls.
The former being an entirely different animal. Like the difference between a 28 year old man and an 18 year old boy .

Oh and the to the reference about dunking a basket ball,
Kareem did not dunk, his signature was the SkyHook.
The Dunk is a flashy skillless display of vertical leap.
The skill in a dunk is equal to a good lay-up, pressing the lane and getting to the board.
Anyone who thinks dunking is talent, has no idea what real skill is.

Also, someone gave an example of a girl who fought off an attacker.

The point with that is that girls aren't just pretty things. They can actually do stuff also. ;)

This girl in particular wouldn't cut it in any american footballteam anyway due to the fact that she isn't even close to be big.