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Alright, after I read this, I had to stare at my monitor for a time just to prove to myself that my eyes do not deceive me:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/30/bush.issues/index.html

Bush socked back at the Kerry-John Edwards ticket and the Democrats, saying Kerry has "good intentions, but intentions do not always translate to results."

With the criticism being levelled daily at Bush and the reality of the problems with the War in Iraq and the state of neglected Afghanistan, why would such a person, having any intelligence, use such ironic words? I mean, really, does he not see how utterly perfect they are to describe his War on Terror?! I know this man doesn't read the news for himself, but is he that utterly clueless?

Then, as I was just getting over that, I read this following quote, and had to stare incredulously for more time:

"He and his running mate consistently opposed reforms that limit the power of Washington and leave more power in the hands of the people," Bush said. "He's spent nearly 20 years in the federal government, and it appears he's concluded that it's just not big enough. He's proposed more than $2 trillion of additional federal spending."

Point A) Yes, he'd do that, Georgie, he is a Democrat (though I estimate some exaggeration here). Democrats believe in bigger government, especially when such a thing is needed to try to get us closer to the top of the pile of problems you've got us facing. But, then there's

Point B) How exactly have you made government smaller, Georgie?

I know this is a time for candidates to pay lipservice to what their party is supposed to stand for, but really...

I also heard a sound byte of Bush saying something to the effect of, "The only reason to open up records from the past now is to decide who would be best to run the United States for four more years!"

Yes, that's a good reason, let's do that. Best of luck with the election and understanding the concept of irony, Georgie.

I love irony. I really really do. The way that it just catches people off guard. I find it so amusing. I’ll laugh and laugh and laugh, even if I’m the target. And this, I like. :)

why would such a person, having any intelligence, use such ironic words?

He has any intelligence? I haven't seen or heard one thing showing that to be true. Remember "misunderestimating" and "the haves and the have-mores"

And yes that statement it truely ironic.

I also loved the point about building military alliances can you tell me more than two countries that supported the war? and there is no countries that haven't had massive protest against the US

Gotta love old bushy boy, he has a way of sticking it to himself from time to time.

Bush said he has achieved: # Success in building military alliances while taking charge of national security decisions.
Okay...

Here's one in one of his speaches Bush said he was upper middle class.

Well, all I know is I need botox so I look surprised when Bush blows up the world (but I am still waiting for him to do the blow-up-france part).

Sure. GWB sounds like an idiot sometimes. But what about Kerry? Mr. "actually I voted for the $89 billion, before I voted against it". The guy who threw his (actually someone else's) medals away and compared the US military to Gengis Khan but now misses no opportunity to brag about his military service. The guy who voted against virtually every major weapons system now in us in the US army? The guy to the left of TED KENNEDY!!! Sure, Bush isn't the most eloquent of US presidents, and he hasn't done much to shrink the government; but I shudder to think what damage a Kerry administration would wreak.

Heh, nothing really surprises me anymore. If Bush would nuke a country, I probably wouldn't even flinch (more of an "Oh, not again..." reaction). I mean, there are a decent number of people in this country who immediately began advocating torture or writing it off as harmless fun. Torture apologists - that's scary.

Now, as for MadAnthonyWayne's comments, here's the deal: Bush is the president. This is not about ineloquence, per se. The man has not achieved remarkable results, and in fact, some of his "results" have been downright apalling. What bothers me is that not only is he too stubborn and blinded by his own self-righteousness to see this, this statement implies that he's likely too uninformed to even know that there was irony with the force of a freight train in that statement. You can cite and spin as many Kerry factoids as you like (and none of those particularly scare me, mind you), but the fact of the matter remains that Bush's record of achievements is highly controversial - yet, he seems to think it's golden.

His new campaign slogan, "We've rounded a corner and we're not going back" is quite frightening but not unexpected from an administration that has shown how unwilling it is to acknowledge this it has made a mistake. This slogan goes to show, people, that we can expect more of the same, God help us. The same inability to deal civilly with other nations, the same authoritarianism, the same cowboy arrogance with no concern for its effects. Look where 4 years of Bush has put us - stretching our military in two countries with unresolved conflicts, growing terrorist factions opposed to us, and very few real allies in the world. Now think of where another 4 years will put us, when Bush will not have to worry about being re-elected.

And, he suggests that we examine his record before we vote. Personally...I think that's the best idea the man's had the whole time he's been in office.

Sure. GWB sounds like an idiot sometimes. But what about Kerry? Mr. "actually I voted for the $89 billion, before I voted against it". The guy who threw his (actually someone else's) medals away and compared the US military to Gengis Khan but now misses no opportunity to brag about his military service. The guy who voted against virtually every major weapons system now in us in the US army? The guy to the left of TED KENNEDY!!! Sure, Bush isn't the most eloquent of US presidents, and he hasn't done much to shrink the government; but I shudder to think what damage a Kerry administration would wreak.
Shudder to think...hmmm... That is what seems to be the real problem. Neither Bush nor his blind loyalist supporters who fall for his(opps Cheney's lies-puppetmaster) exercise the ability to think. It's time for a change. The idiot and his friends in the religious reich have got to go!

Personally I don't think Bush has lost touch with reality... to say so only implies that he was in touch with reality in the first place. He is not an intelligent person, and really shouldn't be left alone in a room, let alone left to run one of the world's super-powers (as much as we hate to admit it... America IS a super-power) really when you think about it, Bill Clinton didn't do that bad a job... No major wars... less enemies of America... I'm not sure how he did economy-wise, but it can't have been that bad. Bush is in office for not even one term (and how he got in was rather suspect, as well) and already he has declared war against at least two countries, and everyone knows that he's aiming for Korea next... he has been for a while... More peolpe hate America now than ever before... even during Vietnam... G. W. Bush Jr. is a danger to the wellbeing of the world in general. well that is my opinion...

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4704.shtml

The carefully-crafted image of George W. Bush as a bold, decisive leader is cracking under the weight of new revelations that the erratic President is indecisive, moody, paranoid and delusional.

“More and more this brings back memories of the Nixon White House,” says retired political science professor George Harleigh, who worked for President Nixon during the second presidential term that ended in resignation under fire. “I haven’t heard any reports of President Bush wondering the halls talking to portraits of dead Presidents but what I have been told is disturbing.”

Two weeks ago, Capitol Hill Blue revealed that a growing number of White House aides are concerned about the President’s mental stability. They told harrowing tales of violent mood swings, bouts with paranoia and obscene outbursts from a President who wears his religion on his sleeve.

I remember reading about white house aides catching Bush laying face down on the carpet in the Oval Office foaming at the mouth and speaking in a strange language that didnt sound human --they said his wife wont go near him when hes like that--supposedly he was having one of his demonic fits when he choked on that pretzel

I remember reading about white house aides catching Bush laying face down on the carpet in the Oval Office foaming at the mouth and speaking in a strange language that didnt sound human --they said his wife wont go near him when hes like that--supposedly he was having one of his demonic fits when he choked on that pretzel


Now that's funny.

I remember reading about white house aides catching Bush laying face down on the carpet in the Oval Office foaming at the mouth and speaking in a strange language that didnt sound human --they said his wife wont go near him when hes like that--supposedly he was having one of his demonic fits when he choked on that pretzel

Thankyou for adding so much intellectual stimulus to this thread ....

Thankyou for adding so much intellectual stimulus to this thread ....

Way to crush the humor in a statement.

when you see his legacy and what he does how much more proof does someone need?George Bush is the clearest evidence of demonic possession that Ive ever seen since the Exorcist

when you see his legacy and what he does how much more proof does someone need?George Bush is the clearest evidence of demonic possession that Ive ever seen since the Exorcist


When his head starts spinning and he begins masturbating with a crucifix, then you know something is very wrong......

Way to crush the humor in a statement.

What humor?

when you see his legacy and what he does how much more proof does someone need?George Bush is the clearest evidence of demonic possession that Ive ever seen since the Exorcist

The Village just called... they want their idiot back, hurry up. :rolleyes:

The Village just called... they want their idiot back, hurry up. :rolleyes:

now thats funny ........

The Village just called... they want their idiot back, hurry up. :rolleyes:

Wow, that's a good one. Original. Not cliched. Excellent insult.

When his head starts spinning and he begins masturbating with a crucifix, then you know something is very wrong......
youd think all those years he served in the skulls at Yale he woulda lost his gag reflex by now--how could he choke on a Pretzel? im suspicios

Wow, that's a good one. Original. Not cliched. Excellent insult.

You sound hurt - dry those tears princess

There is nothing wrong with a well placed cliche

You sound hurt - dry those tears princess

There is nothing wrong with a well placed cliche

Ah, I get it! You reference me as princess because you assume I'm male and you think it will be emasculating to be called a nominally female title. Good one. And the "dry those tears" is an obvious attack at my "masculinity" because real men don't cry, so if I'm crying, I must not be a real man. Definite scorcher. You should write for a sitcom.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4704.shtml

The carefully-crafted image of George W. Bush as a bold, decisive leader is cracking under the weight of new revelations that the erratic President is indecisive, moody, paranoid and delusional.

“More and more this brings back memories of the Nixon White House,” says retired political science professor George Harleigh, who worked for President Nixon during the second presidential term that ended in resignation under fire. “I haven’t heard any reports of President Bush wondering the halls talking to portraits of dead Presidents but what I have been told is disturbing.”

Two weeks ago, Capitol Hill Blue revealed that a growing number of White House aides are concerned about the President’s mental stability. They told harrowing tales of violent mood swings, bouts with paranoia and obscene outbursts from a President who wears his religion on his sleeve.

Interesting material, thanks for posting it. I think that Dr. Frank's book was the one I purchased for my Dad last Father's Day (a rural Wisconsin farmer who is as disturbed as I am about the current administration), and I admit, it was partly because I wanted to read it when I went home to visit next. Bush does seem to have some issues, and I'm eager to read the opinions of a professional who's done some in-depth research on him.

It really wouldn't surprise me if there were some more bizarre personal skeletons in the Oval Office closet (such as what MKULTRA mentions - I think I've heard that in passing, as well). Then again, like I said, little does surprise me anymore about this administration and its followers.

Ah, I get it! You reference me as princess because you assume I'm male and you think it will be emasculating to be called a nominally female title. Good one. And the "dry those tears" is an obvious attack at my "masculinity" because real men don't cry, so if I'm crying, I must not be a real man. Definite scorcher. You should write for a sitcom.

You know you might actaully get somewhere in an argument one day if you spent less time pulling apart and denigrating other peoples insults and actually making some witty calls of your own ..... though i don't want to stretch your almond sized cranial capacity ......

You know you might actaully get somewhere in an argument one day if you spent less time pulling apart and denigrating other peoples insults and actually making some witty calls of your own ..... though i don't want to stretch your almond sized cranial capacity ......

Ooh, that's another good one. Care to shoot some more zingers my way? Making fun of my brain size, even though brain size has almost no relevance on intelligence. You must study phrenology, no?

Ooh, that's another good one. Care to shoot some more zingers my way? Making fun of my brain size, even though brain size has almost no relevance on intelligence. You must study phrenology, no?

Well i just don't know how to stand up to the grilling you are giving me .... *laughs and regains composure* ... brain size to an extent is quite indicative of intelligence (e.g. the peanut sized brains of many unintelligent dinosaurs - or the brain of John Kerry)

p.s. here's some schooling for ya son - phrenology is not about the size of your brain , phrenology refers to the following ;

phre·nol·o·gy (fr-nl-j)
n.

The study of the shape and protuberances of the skull, based on the now discredited belief that they reveal character and mental capacity

Sdaeriji wins the flame war :mp5:

Well i just don't know how to stand up to the grilling you are giving me .... *laughs and regains composure* ... brain size to an extent is quite indicative of intelligence (e.g. the peanut sized brains of many unintelligent dinosaurs - or the brain of John Kerry)

p.s. here's some schooling for ya son - phrenology is not about the size of your brain , phrenology refers to the following ;

phre·nol·o·gy (fr-nl-j)
n.

The study of the shape and protuberances of the skull, based on the now discredited belief that they reveal character and mental capacity

Thanks for the dictionary.com copy-paste. I was completely unaware of the meaning of the word before I used it.

Sdaeriji wins the flame war :mp5:

mmm ... OR NOT ......

mmm ... OR NOT ......

Aww, are you upset? Dry those tears, princess.

Thanks for the dictionary.com copy-paste. I was completely unaware of the meaning of the word before I used it.

If you were aware of the meaning could you please , really please , explain why you used it incorrectly ??

Aww, are you upset? Dry those tears, princess.

Rehashing an insult used ON YOU in THIS VERY thread ..... your genius and wit know no bounds - you must get straight A's at kindergarten ..... you are in kindergarten right ?

If you were aware of the meaning could you please , really please , explain why you used it incorrectly ??

What's the matter, your almond-sized brain can't handle it? You made a connection between a key feature of the skull, namely the size, to mental ability. Much like phrenology attempted to establish connections between key features of the skull, size being one of them, to mental abilities.

Rehashing an insult used ON YOU in THIS VERY thread ..... your genius and wit know no bounds - you must get straight A's at kindergarten ..... you are in kindergarten right ?

Yep, obviously I'm in kindergarten. You caught me.

What's the matter, your almond-sized brain can't handle it? You made a connection between a key feature of the skull, namely the size, to mental ability. Much like phrenology attempted to establish connections between key features of the skull, size being one of them, to mental abilities.

Were you brought up on a farm ... a farm with no books .... SHAPE was what phrenology was all about ... size was not an integral issue in the "science" ... the brains of africans , australian aboriginies and pacific islanders were no smaller than their european counter-parts - distinctions were made based on shapes ; narrow or wide skulls - strange protuburences such as the elongated foreheads of some africans etc ....)

Actually, Sdaerji is right, brain size does have little to do with intelligence. I forget the specifics, but I can recall one case in which an individual, at a very young age, had hydroencephalitis. This caused his brain to be under a lot of pressure, and what he was left with was a thin membrance of brain tissue. I seem to recall he went on to get a Master's or a similarly high graduate degree. Of course, he was left with other side effects, but his intelligence seems to have been left quite intact. You were saying, Vitagoria?

Sdaerji, I'm throroughly enjoying the schooling going on here tonight. Please, proceed. :D

Yep, obviously I'm in kindergarten. You caught me.
Bush lies like hes in kindergarden

Vitagoria is getting beaten like a red headed stepchild

Actually, Sdaerji is right, brain size does have little to do with intelligence. I forget the specifics, but I can recall one case in which an individual, at a very young age, had hydroencephalitis. This caused his brain to be under a lot of pressure, and what he was left with was a thin membrance of brain tissue. I seem to recall he went on to get a Master's or a similarly high graduate degree. Of course, he was left with other side effects, but his intelligence seems to have been left quite intact. You were saying, Vitagoria?

Sdaerji, I'm throroughly enjoying the schooling going on here tonight. Please, proceed. :D

A) i never said size was the be all and end all of intelligence

B) does phrenology have anything to do with brain size ? the answer is NO

it is too easy to defeat yanks in an argument .....

A) i never said size was the be all and end all of intelligence

B) does phrenology have anything to do with brain size ? the answer is NO

it is too easy to defeat yanks in an argument .....

You haven't beaten anyone in an argument. We aren't even HAVING an argument. You laughed at a lame joke and you got all defensive when I pointed out how crappy it was.

A) i never said size was the be all and end all of intelligence

B) does phrenology have anything to do with brain size ? the answer is NO

it is too easy to defeat yanks in an argument .....
when do you plan on starting? :)

when do you plan on starting? :)

Well considering the brain size question consider the ABSOLUTE MAGNITUDE of the brain and consume this information ;

This refers to the total size of a brain of a certain species, with no reference to body size or neuronal activity. If the organization of the brain as a whole is irrelevant, then total brain size seems an obvious candidate for use as an estimate of total information-processing capacity. If we used this as a comparison method, we would find that the largest brain sizes and highest brain weights are found in porpoises, elephants, and whales, followed by man (go to brain/body size chart). Whale brains weigh generally between 4000-7000 g, elephant brains around 4000-5000 g, dolphin brains around 1700 g, and human brains weigh between 1300-1700 g.

Thankyou.

Heh.. you guys are too funny... His plan has OBVIOUSLY not worked... and that is why many american cities are in nuclear fallout, and planes have toppled every building in washington DC. Yeah man... Bush sure has failed... Look at all of the damage.

Well considering the brain size question consider the ABSOLUTE MAGNITUDE of the brain and consume this information ;

This refers to the total size of a brain of a certain species, with no reference to body size or neuronal activity. If the organization of the brain as a whole is irrelevant, then total brain size seems an obvious candidate for use as an estimate of total information-processing capacity. If we used this as a comparison method, we would find that the largest brain sizes and highest brain weights are found in porpoises, elephants, and whales, followed by man (go to brain/body size chart). Whale brains weigh generally between 4000-7000 g, elephant brains around 4000-5000 g, dolphin brains around 1700 g, and human brains weigh between 1300-1700 g.

Thankyou.

What does that prove? That brain size doesn't necessarily have anything to do with intelligence?

Heh.. you guys are too funny... His plan has OBVIOUSLY not worked... and that is why many american cities are in nuclear fallout, and planes have toppled every building in washington DC. Yeah man... Bush sure has failed... Look at all of the damage.

Firstly .... where on earth has this come from ..... ?? hmm ...

Secondly - i believe it does - read it again.

I'll have to speak L8r , i have work to go to - money makes the world go round (well not really but its good to have).

A) i never said size was the be all and end all of intelligence

B) does phrenology have anything to do with brain size ? the answer is NO

it is too easy to defeat yanks in an argument .....

A) Did I infer that you did? In fact, your continuation of this inane argument does you no credit...

B) Ahem:

http://www3.niu.edu/acad/psych/Millis/History/2004/phrenology.htm
The Idea of Phrenology

Gall's idea of phrenology was based on several concepts:

the brain is the organ of the mind
the brain is a collection of organs representing the characteristics of the person
these functions are located in specific parts of the brain
the size of each organ is representative of its power
the shape and size of the skull relate to the shape and size of the underlying organs and is representative of the individual's mental faculties. This information was taken from http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/macleay/cphrenex1.htm

If you want more, that was only the first result I Googled. Now, be silent.

Heh.. you guys are too funny... His plan has OBVIOUSLY not worked... and that is why many american cities are in nuclear fallout, and planes have toppled every building in washington DC. Yeah man... Bush sure has failed... Look at all of the damage.

Oh, I love the argument of citing the worst-case scenario as if it is the only logical alternative. Who was going to nuke those cities - Saddam? Go back to watching Fox news. Bush planned to topple Al-Queda - he failed, they're regaining strength in Afghanistan, another failure, in that he planned to stabilize it as a democracy. I could go on, but hey, you just keep citing those phantom nukes that were ready to launch on us in under 15 minutes and a plan that Al-Queda could never have pulled off twice if someone with half of Bush's faculties were in office.

Transparent argument. In foreign nations, his plans have failed (catching Saddam is his only completed success, all others are festering wounds), at home - contrary to his promises in 200, he has been a divider, not a uniter. I argue that Bush has been an utter failure, using your logic, because he does not rule the world and I'm sure that's the only other future he had in mind.

See? I can post my dreamed up scenarios and speculation as a legitimate possiblity as well.

now i know insulting politicians is fun amsuing and so very easy, the reason its so easy is because there all as bad as each other, the very personal traits and characteristics u need to become a politician are quite frankly immoral and unethical and a disgrace to the human race.

You need the singular drive towards one goal ignoring everything else, noted as most politicians have terrible family lives as they ignore them they also tend to have extra marital flings cos thinfgs are that bad at home.

Greed, quite frankly they are all greedy for power wealth and fame, they want to be politicaians for the power simple as that, many (especially here in england) then use there power to make money by either selling there endorsements to people and companies, having there names appear on official documents for companies and swindling the taxpayer, and they love the limelight look at blair showing off his family to the worlds press on there annual vacation for gods sake hes selling his family to the world for his own purpose.

Lies, politicians lie palne and simple.

Sex now im not sure quite why ud be a politician if u were horny seems dumb at first but when ya think about it they are all cheat on their spouses so must be something in it

Self preservation, every politician will cover their own back and stab you in yours, gone are days when leaders would take the blame for everything and stand down now they shift the blame or change the justification for the action blair and bush are horrid for this.

so really in my opinion there all as bad as each other none of them have ethics or mroals which theyll stand by (or at least ethics and morals worth giving a damn about) so the next idiot will always be as bad as the present idiot, so why bother comparing them.

ok a slight proof read has reveales some terrible typos and major grammatical errors but i am tryin to hold a baby here so cut me some slack plz

and here's me in blighty. we all thought americans had no sense of irony