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What person do you most admire?

Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 03:12
It can be a famous person, relative, whatever. The only rule is: NO FLAMING.

That said, I'll name the one I most admire:

Booker T. Washington

'Nuff said!
The Holy Word
31-07-2004, 03:23
Tom Paine.
The Black Forrest
31-07-2004, 03:25
Hmph! I really don't "worship" one person

I will say persons:

There are many but off the top of my head.

Mark Twain
Joshua Chamberlain
Teddy Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson

Angus McDonald - Great x ? Grandfather. Actually declined a commision from General Washington.
http://www.macdonald60.fsnet.co.uk/cdm06a26.htm
Letila
31-07-2004, 03:25
Are we talking real people or do anime characters count? If so, then Vash the Stampede. If not, then Peter Kropotkin or maybe Emma Goldman.
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 03:27
not, then Peter Kropotkin or maybe Emma Goldman.

Who?
Galliam
31-07-2004, 03:30
Fake=Wolverine
Real=Brad Pitt
Stephistan
31-07-2004, 03:33
My husband, Zeppistan :fluffle:
The Holy Word
31-07-2004, 03:37
Who?
Influential anarchist thinkers.
Opal Isle
31-07-2004, 03:37
Me.
Thunderland
31-07-2004, 03:39
It can be a famous person, relative, whatever. The only rule is: NO FLAMING.

That said, I'll name the one I most admire:

Booker T. Washington

'Nuff said!

Good choice. His home in Malden, WV is only 15 minutes from my house.

I don't really know my choice but I appreciate talent put to use so I'd say one of my most admired people would be Robert Ludlum for his writing skills.
Five Civilized Nations
31-07-2004, 03:41
Alexander Hamilton, first Secretary of the Treasury, Author of the Federalist Papers, Inspector General of the US Army, signer of the Constitution, creator of the US Coast Guard, Customs and Immigration, US Debt System, 1st Bank of the US, etc.,etc.,etc...
Conceptualists
31-07-2004, 03:42
Dennis the Peasant.
Jaminme
31-07-2004, 03:44
Jefferson or Ted Roosevelt, hands down.
Colodia
31-07-2004, 03:45
- Neil Armstrong, for obvious reasons and other personal ones
- Michael Collins, for being the only one in the Apollo 11 crew who didn't get to walk on the moon and still not commit suicide. Great men are humble men.
Five Civilized Nations
31-07-2004, 03:46
Jefferson or Ted Roosevelt, hands down.

FYI, if you read Jefferson's more recent biographies, you find out that he was a hypocrite and an asshole.
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 03:47
Good choice. His home in Malden, WV is only 15 minutes from my house.

I don't really know my choice but I appreciate talent put to use so I'd say one of my most admired people would be Robert Ludlum for his writing skills.

Really? That's cool! I'd like to visit it someday.
Von Witzleben
31-07-2004, 03:48
Arminius
Stephen Hawking
Mommy
Admiral Canaris
And others........
Superpower07
31-07-2004, 03:49
Are we talking real people or do anime characters count? If so, then Vash the Stampede. If not, then Peter Kropotkin or maybe Emma Goldman.

Heh, I guess that 'What is anime?' thread you started back on the Old Forums had more of an impact than I thought it would

OOC: Actually, I have to admit that Kagome from InuYasha is my hero. :D I remember in one episode she was having a nightmare in which she blurted out "I hate geometry" :D

IC: I basically admire all the editors (and former editor-in-cheif) of my school paper. They're all just to awesome people
Thunderland
31-07-2004, 03:53
Really? That's cool! I'd like to visit it someday.

More than welcome any time.
Temme
31-07-2004, 04:39
If you're not Canadian, you'll recognize very few, if any, of these names.

Larry Spencer--He stood up for what is right and took a blow for it. Also, I agree with him on the gay marriage issue.
Sheila Copps--Her championing of women's rights and the fact that she stuck with the Liberal leadership race when it was obvious she would lose gets her on the list.
Jack Layton--Love most of his policies.
Olivia Chow--I'd love to be like her. Partner with her husband.
Tommy Douglas--Also love his policies. He was a pioneer of socialism.
Five Civilized Nations
31-07-2004, 04:44
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Admiral David Glasgow Farragut
Admiral Horatio Nelson
General Robert E. Lee
Alexander the Great
Winston Churchill
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 04:49
More than welcome any time.

Thanks!
Saskatoon Saskatchewan
31-07-2004, 05:02
If you're not Canadian, you'll recognize very few, if any, of these names.

Larry Spencer--He stood up for what is right and took a blow for it. Also, I agree with him on the gay marriage issue.
Sheila Copps--Her championing of women's rights and the fact that she stuck with the Liberal leadership race when it was obvious she would lose gets her on the list.
Jack Layton--Love most of his policies.
Olivia Chow--I'd love to be like her. Partner with her husband.
Tommy Douglas--Also love his policies. He was a pioneer of socialism.

Hmm, Copps and Spencer are both in my opinion idiots. Spencer is one of the reasons the Conservatives will be viewed as a bunch of Religious Right gun nuts who don't like anyone but ppl who are hetrosexual, white and, protestant. Copps, I won't even touch that garbage, however, I do admire her courage in fighting Martin right till the end.

Layton I don't mind, but, I only voted for him as I don't like any of the other leaders sides Duceppe. Chow, I don't know much

T.C Douglas, I have to admit, huge fan. He had guts, and brains. His debate with Ross Thatcher in Mossbank is something for the ages. It's too bad the NDP around here doesn't have more ppl like him. Instead we have Calvert, who I wouldnt' trust to run a coffee shop, let alone a province. Mind you, I met him down here for Hockey Day in Canada, and he seems pretty nice.

I personal choice: Pierre Elliot Trudeau. In light of our more recent PM's, I wish we had more leaders like him. He had brains, charisma, and guts to stand up to the world's bullies. Never again will we see a PM who has it all, sure, some have brains, some have charisma, and some have guts, but nobody I see now, and nobody I see in the future will be like him. Truly a crime that we didn't have him longer. Well, maybe if he's kids get into the game someday it'll restore my hope in a proper and just society.
Kryozerkia
31-07-2004, 05:02
THat's a tough call, but I'd have to say my best friend Stef.
Temme
31-07-2004, 05:12
Hmm, Copps and Spencer are both in my opinion idiots. Spencer is one of the reasons the Conservatives will be viewed as a bunch of Religious Right gun nuts who don't like anyone but ppl who are hetrosexual, white and, protestant. Copps, I won't even touch that garbage, however, I do admire her courage in fighting Martin right till the end.

Layton I don't mind, but, I only voted for him as I don't like any of the other leaders sides Duceppe. Chow, I don't know much

T.C Douglas, I have to admit, huge fan. He had guts, and brains. His debate with Ross Thatcher in Mossbank is something for the ages. It's too bad the NDP around here doesn't have more ppl like him. Instead we have Calvert, who I wouldnt' trust to run a coffee shop, let alone a province. Mind you, I met him down here for Hockey Day in Canada, and he seems pretty nice.

I personal choice: Pierre Elliot Trudeau. In light of our more recent PM's, I wish we had more leaders like him. He had brains, charisma, and guts to stand up to the world's bullies. Never again will we see a PM who has it all, sure, some have brains, some have charisma, and some have guts, but nobody I see now, and nobody I see in the future will be like him. Truly a crime that we didn't have him longer. Well, maybe if he's kids get into the game someday it'll restore my hope in a proper and just society.

Well, I agree. Trudeau was pretty good. If only he could keep his finger down and his mouth clean. I also don't agree with his position on adultery and homosexuality. Also, Larry Spencer was kicked out of his party. It seems that if you are a social conservative, you must run as an independent, or else have something else to redeem you (as in Monia Mazigh.) Sheila Copps helped pave the way for women in politics. We need more like her.

Jack Layton has proved that you don't need to choose between an economy and the environment. That's why I like him. I'd like to know why we can't do that sort of thing in NS. . .

Indeed, Tommy Douglas would turn over in his grave if he could see the NDP today.
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 05:17
Well, I agree. Trudeau was pretty good. If only he could keep his finger down and his mouth clean. I also don't agree with his position on adultery and homosexuality. Also, Larry Spencer was kicked out of his party. It seems that if you are a social conservative, you must run as an independent, or else have something else to redeem you (as in Monia Mazigh.) Sheila Copps helped pave the way for women in politics. We need more like her.

Jack Layton has proved that you don't need to choose between an economy and the environment. That's why I like him. I'd like to know why we can't do that sort of thing in NS. . .

Indeed, Tommy Douglas would turn over in his grave if he could see the NDP today.

NDP?
Temme
31-07-2004, 05:22
New Democratic Party. The democratic socialist party in Canada. They're my choice of party.

www.ndp.ca

There's their website.
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 05:24
New Democratic Party. The democratic socialist party in Canada. They're my choice of party.

www.ndp.ca

There's their website.

Thanks! :)
Temme
31-07-2004, 05:29
No problem.
Hells Grim Reapers
31-07-2004, 05:29
Edgar Allan Poe. His Works Are Inspiring And Genius. He Is A Wonderful Story Writer And Poet And He Shall Always Will Be.
IDF
31-07-2004, 05:31
I admire a lesser known man, he was famous and may be known to many of you through the TV Movie "Brian's Song." The man is Brian Piccolo, I've read his biograpy "A Short Season" many times and just reread it. It is amazing.

Brian Piccolo was a Chicago Bears running back from 1965-1969. He was too small and slow to be in the NFL, but he had a heart and worked hard to make the Bears.

He was in competition with the best RB ever, Gale Sayers, for the starting job. He got it when Sayers went down with an injury, instead of doing everything to keep the job, Piccolo did it, but still found time to help Gale recover and come back from his torn ACL. Pic lost the starting job because of it but wasn't bitter, he and Gale were good friends and the 1st Black and White men to room together in the NFL. Pic was a tolerant man who always put everyone above himself.

Sadly, he left a game agains the Falcons in November 1969, he had shortness of breath. He went to Illinois Masonic Hospital where a chest X-ray showed some shadows, a biopsy showed Embryonic Cell Carcinoma, a rare type of cancer affecting only 400 people, he had a grape fruit sized tumor removed. While recovering from the operation at the hospital, Pic went up to the children's ward and met the kids and did stuff visiting patients instead of resting and regaining his strength.

He was released and on chemo for a 1 month on-2 off cycle for the next 3 years, or that was the plan. In February 1970 while on a golf outing with Ernie Banks (yes that's Mr. Cub to you). He noticed a lump. He went from feeling he beat cancer to a devastating event. He had this lump examined and it was Embyronic Cell Carcinoma, with other cancers like mixed in it like sarcoma, seminoma, and squamis carcinoma. He had more chest X-rays showing a tumor and some other growths into the left lung. He had a mastectomy operation where his left breast was removed and then 3 weeks later a 3rd operation where his left lung was removed.

Brian had been living on the dream of returning to football, that had been shattered. Brian grew sick, the cancer spread to the Liver. He died in June 1970 at age 26, he left behind 3 children. Brian died feeling he was a lucky man, he fought to the end and never questioned God "Why me?" He accepted it and was in good humor cracking jokes until he died telling Coach Halas he didn't fear death, only Butkus, refering to linebacker Dick Butkus.

He is an athlete whom we should emulate, a rare thing in sports today, not a superstar on the field, but a superstar in the community and to those around him
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 05:33
I admire a lesser known man, he was famous and may be known to many of you through the TV Movie "Brian's Song." The man is Brian Piccolo, I've read his biograpy "A Short Season" many times and just reread it. It is amazing.

Brian Piccolo was a Chicago Bears running back from 1965-1969. He was too small and slow to be in the NFL, but he had a heart and worked hard to make the Bears.

He was in competition with the best RB ever, Gale Sayers, for the starting job. He got it when Sayers went down with an injury, instead of doing everything to keep the job, Piccolo did it, but still found time to help Gale recover and come back from his torn ACL. Pic lost the starting job because of it but wasn't bitter, he and Gale were good friends and the 1st Black and White men to room together in the NFL. Pic was a tolerant man who always put everyone above himself.

Sadly, he left a game agains the Falcons in November 1969, he had shortness of breath. He went to Illinois Masonic Hospital where a chest X-ray showed some shadows, a biopsy showed Embryonic Cell Carcinoma, a rare type of cancer affecting only 400 people, he had a grape fruit sized tumor removed. While recovering from the operation at the hospital, Pic went up to the children's ward and met the kids and did stuff visiting patients instead of resting and regaining his strength.

He was released and on chemo for a 1 month on-2 off cycle for the next 3 years, or that was the plan. In February 1970 while on a golf outing with Ernie Banks (yes that's Mr. Cub to you). He noticed a lump. He went from feeling he beat cancer to a devastating event. He had this lump examined and it was Embyronic Cell Carcinoma, with other cancers like mixed in it like sarcoma, seminoma, and squamis carcinoma. He had more chest X-rays showing a tumor and some other growths into the left lung. He had a mastectomy operation where his left breast was removed and then 3 weeks later a 3rd operation where his left lung was removed.

Brian had been living on the dream of returning to football, that had been shattered. Brian grew sick, the cancer spread to the Liver. He died in June 1970 at age 26, he left behind 3 children. Brian died feeling he was a lucky man, he fought to the end and never questioned God "Why me?" He accepted it and was in good humor cracking jokes until he died telling Coach Halas he didn't fear death, only Butkus, refering to linebacker Dick Butkus.

He is an athlete whom we should emulate, a rare thing in sports today, not a superstar on the field, but a superstar in the community and to those around him

Sounds like he was a great man.
Hashishima
31-07-2004, 05:39
I don't know about who I MOST admire, but I have a lot of respect for Che Guevara. No, I'm not a socialist/communist, I just think he was an honestly great man.
Pepsiholics
31-07-2004, 05:42
I gotta go with Hugh Hefner....
Farflung
31-07-2004, 05:48
Gen.Jeb Stuart
Adm.William Halsey
Gen.Charles"chuck" Yeager
Gen.George S Patton jr.
Fieldmarshall Rommel
A.Bertram Chandler
Robert A Heinlein
to name a few
Bolesta
31-07-2004, 05:49
D'Holbach. He was the one who dared to come out with his philosophies and theories on the belief that there is no higher power. He came up with the original floor-plan for athiesm. I guess he could be considered the father of athiesm. He is someone I admire because in his day and age, he could have been slaughtered for his beliefs. He still preached them regardless.

Martin Luther. He was the one who went against the church and debated on their interpretation of the bible. He wasn't some godless heathen, he just believed that the church was incorrect in their delivery of god's word to the public.

The buddhist monk who burned himself in protest. His name is, so far, unknown to me, and i also realize this may not strike your fancy, but at least he had a cause he was willing to die for it. He thought his cause and beliefs were grounds enough to die. And that is why I respect him. Not because it was "cool" or because "he was such a rebel" but because he was not afraid. He did what he had to in order to convey his message.

Those are a few off the top of my head.
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 05:55
D'Holbach. He was the one who dared to come out with his philosophies and theories on the belief that there is no higher power. He came up with the original floor-plan for athiesm. I guess he could be considered the father of athiesm. He is someone I admire because in his day and age, he could have been slaughtered for his beliefs. He still preached them regardless.

Martin Luther. He was the one who went against the church and debated on their interpretation of the bible. He wasn't some godless heathen, he just believed that the church was incorrect in their delivery of god's word to the public.

The buddhist monk who burned himself in protest. His name is, so far, unknown to me, and i also realize this may not strike your fancy, but at least he had a cause he was willing to die for it. He thought his cause and beliefs were grounds enough to die. And that is why I respect him. Not because it was "cool" or because "he was such a rebel" but because he was not afraid. He did what he had to in order to convey his message.

Those are a few off the top of my head.

The Vietnamese monk who immolated himself to protest Ngo Dinh Diem's persecution of Buddhists? If that's who you mean, his name was Thich Quang Duc.
Bolesta
31-07-2004, 06:41
In reply to Roach Busters' reply to my post, I have one thing to say:



Thank you.

Thank monk's name has been puzzling me for a good time now, and no matter what i did I couldn't seem to find it. I can't thank you enough.
Kernlandia
31-07-2004, 06:43
gandhi
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 07:37
In reply to Roach Busters' reply to my post, I have one thing to say:



Thank you.

Thank monk's name has been puzzling me for a good time now, and no matter what i did I couldn't seem to find it. I can't thank you enough.

You're very welcome. I'm glad I could be of service to you. :)
Hardscrabble
31-07-2004, 07:48
There are several:

Haing S. Ngor. He was a survivor of the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, and wrote a book you should all read: "Surviving in the Killing Fields"

Gandhi

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Author of "the Gulag Archipelago" and other books, and survivor of Stalin.

Bertrand Russell.

Sinead O'Connor. Turns out she was right about the Catholic church.

My father and mother.

Anyone who stands up to tyranny and speaks their mind, even if it isn't popular.
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 07:52
There are several:

Haing S. Ngor. He was a survivor of the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, and wrote a book you should all read: "Surviving in the Killing Fields"

Gandhi

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Author of "the Gulag Archipelago" and other books, and survivor of Stalin.

My father and mother.

Anyone who stands up to tyranny.

I heard of Dr. Ngor. He was a fine actor in 'The Killing Fields.' I'll be sure to read his book. I read Gulag Archipelago, though. Very long, but informative. All in all, most of these are pretty good choices for people to admire. I don't agree about Bertrand Russell, though. Never heard of Sinead O'Connor, though, so I can't agree or argue about her.
Hardscrabble
31-07-2004, 07:56
I heard of Dr. Ngor. He was a fine actor in 'The Killing Fields.' I'll be sure to read his book. I read Gulag Archipelago, though. Very long, but informative. All in all, most of these are pretty good choices for people to admire. I don't agree about Bertrand Russell, though. Never heard of Sinead O'Connor, though, so I can't agree or argue about her.

I can't encourage you enough to read his book. The book is about 500 pages, and I read the entire thing in less than 3 days. The last book of that size I read in that short amount of time was "East of Eden."

I don't know if you're an American, but Sinead O'Connor was a pop singer who tore up a picture of the Pope on the TV show "Saturday Night Live" back in the 80s. She was protesting the Catholic church and the way it ignored the abuse of children throughout the world. It really pissed a lot of people off, and effectively ended her career.

I included Russell simply because he was a professor who was an avowed atheist who endured so much discrimination because of his beliefs. He taught mathematics, but the higher-ups thought he was unqualified because he didn't believe in god.
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 08:00
I can't encourage you enough to read his book. The book is about 500 pages, and I read the entire thing in less than 3 days. The last book of that size I read in that short amount of time was "East of Eden."

I don't know if you're an American, but Sinead O'Connor was a pop singer who tore up a picture of the Pope on the TV show "Saturday Night Live" back in the 80s. She was protesting the Catholic church and the way it ignored the abuse of children throughout the world. It really pissed a lot of people off, and effectively ended her career.

Yes, I'm an American. Another great book is 'Children of Cambodia's Killing Fields.' I read it one sitting.
The Black Forrest
31-07-2004, 08:21
If you like Ghandi you should read "Freedom at Midnight" Larry Collins and Dominque Lapierre

Paints a whole differnt picture of the man.
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 08:23
If you like Ghandi you should read "Freedom at Midnight" Larry Collins and Dominque Lapierre

Paints a whole differnt picture of the man.

Thanks. I'll be sure to check to check it out.
HARU
31-07-2004, 08:57
Too tired to list them all now but:
Jesus Christ (and no I'm not one of those Crazy Christians)

Malcolm X (and no I am not black; God bless him for stating in his speech at Cambridge "you know you(the British) treat the Irish like the niggers of Europe." (paraphrased)

People who perform random acts of compassion and kindness and never say a word about it.

My sister Delia.

That guy who stood up to a TANK in Tiananmen Square.
The Dark Dimension
31-07-2004, 09:01
Malcolm X was also a radical, racist, violent extremist.

This is what he'd to whites if he had the chance:

:eek: :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:
HARU
31-07-2004, 09:27
Malcolm X was also a radical, racist, violent extremist.

This is what he'd to whites if he had the chance:

:eek: :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:


Actually he was changing his stance on radicalism and racism when he was assasinated. That is one of the reasons he was assasinated.
And what's wrong with extremists?
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 09:29
Actually he was changing his stance on radicalism and racism when he was assasinated. That is one of the reasons he was assasinated.

True enough.

And what's wrong with extremists?

Everything.
Liquid Hate
31-07-2004, 09:42
Corey Taylor from Slipknot or Dani Filth form Cradle of Filth
Vitania
31-07-2004, 09:53
There are too many to name but I think I'd have to go with Nikola Tesla.
Sileetris
31-07-2004, 10:10
Vitania beat me to the punch by mere minutes........Without Tesla you wouldn't be reading this............
Big Jim P
31-07-2004, 10:11
*Shall I Say It? Yes I will*

Big Jim P!

Jim
Saskatoon Saskatchewan
01-08-2004, 04:08
Well, I agree. Trudeau was pretty good. If only he could keep his finger down and his mouth clean. I also don't agree with his position on adultery and homosexuality. Also, Larry Spencer was kicked out of his party. It seems that if you are a social conservative, you must run as an independent, or else have something else to redeem you (as in Monia Mazigh.) Sheila Copps helped pave the way for women in politics. We need more like her.

Jack Layton has proved that you don't need to choose between an economy and the environment. That's why I like him. I'd like to know why we can't do that sort of thing in NS. . .

Indeed, Tommy Douglas would turn over in his grave if he could see the NDP today.

Actually, to me, the first person to pave the way for women, was a women named Rosemary Brown. You might have heard of her recently, if I recall correctly, she just jumped from the liberals to the Conservative alliance, in the Senate that is. Anwho, she, a long time ago ran against Dave Lewis as leader of the NDP, and finished second. She was possibly the first woman to even come close to winning leadership of a national party. Oh yeah, she's also one of the first Afro-Canadian to become a prominant politician.

As far as social conservatives, well, the leader of the Conservatives himself, Stephan Harper, has admitted to holding social conseravtive positions, and, many other members of his party hold that view as well. Alas, we musn't forget, that the liberals have some very conservative thinkers in their ranks. The only thing is, the liberals make sure people don't here about it.

As far as Trudeau goes, I'd like to see some more leaders give the finger once and a while, it at least show's their human. Today's leader's seem to well, not have a personality @ all. Martin, Harper bore the crap out of me. Layton, well, he just get's annoying sometimes. In fact, Gilles Duceppe might be the only leader of a "national" party that I like.
Temme
01-08-2004, 04:15
Well, actually, although Stephen Harper holds so-con views, he would be willing to permit a free vote on those. And leaders can show they're human without resorting to offending people. Do you think that anyone given the finger by Trudeau ended up voting for him?
IDF
01-08-2004, 06:16
I think some of you people here should read "A Short Season" by Jeannie Morris, the biography of Brian Piccolo, read how he and Gale Sayers got along in a troubled time during the Civil Rights Movement. Read how Pic tried to use humor to lighten up any bad day and even get through his own fatal ordeal with cancer. How he helped Sayers recover losing his own job in the process, that is a true man.

A favorite quote of mine refering to them rooming is:
"I have no problem rooming with GAle, as long as he doesn't use the bathroom," Brian Piccolo, he was joking there as he and Gale were best friends until the end
Cherry Ridge
09-08-2004, 13:34
Pope John Paul II-he has a lot of courage
Luckdonia
10-08-2004, 08:40
Bruce Lee