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Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.--1 Corinthians, 7:1

Is heterosexuality immoral?

Is heterosexuality immoral?

Only if you are doing it right.

No more so than homosexuality.

wether its immoral or not, its a neccarsary part to continue life

wether its immoral or not, its a neccarsary part to continue life

Not with modern science it isn't.

Only if you cheat on your spouse

Heterosexuality is by no means immoral. Unless, of course, you're a rapist, adulterer, pedophile, etc...

Not with modern science it isn't.
True...but making babies that way is no fun....and also it takes longer

True...but making babies that way is no fun....and also it takes longer

But taking longer is what all the fun is about. Why do it in 5 minutes when you can take 5 hours?

Only if you cheat on your spouse

What do you mean by 'cheat'? If my spouse and I both freely agree to have a one night stand with someone else once each year is that cheating?

True...but making babies that way is no fun....

That all depends on how drunk you are when you are doing the science.

Bodies-

not really true. scientific capacity couldn't come close to meeting current population growth. plus, only the rich could afford to continue the species.

not that either of those are bad things, necessarily, but to say that heterosexual reproduction is unneccessary given current science isn't true.

oh, and i'm all for a little practice-procreation. immoral or no.

That all depends on how drunk you are when you are doing the science.

"Why that ain't my petrie dish!"
"That aint my pipette either."

of course its immoral!
its all based on lust and possession!

Bodies-

not really true. scientific capacity couldn't come close to meeting current population growth. plus, only the rich could afford to continue the species.

not that either of those are bad things, necessarily, but to say that heterosexual reproduction is unneccessary given current science isn't true.

oh, and i'm all for a little practice-procreation. immoral or no.
But survival of the fittest. The rich must be doing something right, so they can pass on their genes, and whoever they think is worthy of reproducing.

You're definitely taking that out of context. Read on, what else does it say?

1 Cor 7:8-9 - Now to the unmarried and widows I say: It is good for them to stay married as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Also, what translation are you using? I'm using the NIV translation and 1 Cor 7:1 says, "Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry (subtext: Or "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations")"

Bodies-

not really true. scientific capacity couldn't come close to meeting current population growth. plus, only the rich could afford to continue the species.

not that either of those are bad things, necessarily, but to say that heterosexual reproduction is unneccessary given current science isn't true.


Before we start arguing if heterosexuality is required to continue the race, and therefore can't be considered to be immoral, we would need to determine that we have a moral duty to continue the human race, which is where things get interesting.

Is heterosexuality immoral?

No, but persecuting people for their sexuality is.

If your going to bother to quote something.. ANYTHING. Quote the WHOLE thing. And in context where possible.

then why does the bible command us to be married?

If your going to bother to quote something.. ANYTHING. Quote the WHOLE thing. And in context where possible.

That was the point.

Fucking straight people.

of course its immoral!
its all based on lust and possession!

Yeah, I know - great, isn't it? :D

Okay, in all seriousness, I take some of the bible with a pinch of salt for a couple of reasons;

1) Some of it is out of date by today's standards (doesn't it say somewhere about it being okay to own slaves?)

2) Some of it is grounded on no medical or scientific fact (well, okay - most of it is grounded on no medical or scientific fact, but the main thing I mean is the whole "immoral to spill the seed thing" - what does the bible say about menstration(sp?) in this case? As far as I am aware, it doesn't say anything.)

3) A lot of the bible either takes the fun out of life or just doesn't make sense. Technically, we're not even allowed to go to the bathroom...

There; that's my two pennies. :)

You're definitely taking that out of context. Read on, what else does it say?

1 Cor 7:8-9 - Now to the unmarried and widows I say: It is good for them to stay married as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Also, what translation are you using? I'm using the NIV translation and 1 Cor 7:1 says, "Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry (subtext: Or "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations")"

Well, that's rather the point, isn't it? The Bible can be quoted out of context and snippets of a greater message can be confused for the message in it's entirety, as is being done with picking and chosing quotes from the Bible to attack homosexuals.

As for the translation, standard KJV reads: Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Of FREAKIN course heterosexuality is not immoral. God would not have given a man and woman the ability to become one in the flesh if it were immoral. It is immoral if a man and woman are not married but dont freakin use the bible to say that heterosexuality is immoral. If you want to prove a point using the bible here is one for you: REVELATION 22:19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Fucking straight people.

I believe the term you are looking for is "Fucking breeders".

That quote was a matter of propriety.

Of FREAKIN course heterosexuality is not immoral. God would not have given a man and woman the ability to become one in the flesh if it were immoral. It is immoral if a man and woman are not married but dont freakin use the bible to say that heterosexuality is immoral. If you want to prove a point using the bible here is one for you: REVELATION 22:19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

God made us able to kill, lie, steal, rape, torture, etc as well.

If you want to prove a point using the bible here is one for you: REVELATION 22:19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

If I understand Letila's strategy correctly here he is taking one quote out of context from the Bible to make a ludicrous argument - this is as a parallel to the use of a single quote taken out of context from Leviticus by those that would argue the Bible tells us that homosexuality is immoral. Thus he knows that his own arguement is laughable, but in displaying this he also shows up the failings of others.

Did you mean homosexuality, or are you a member of one of those cult religious organizations that doesn't believe that a man and a woman should be together? You realize, of course, that those orgs. eventually die out...

Anyway, is it totally wrong to recruit people to a region on a forum that has nothing to do with it? If it is, AWESOME! Join Drunken Haze, a region of sloppy debauchery and beer-goggled derangement! So...join! You big baloney...you make me wanna RETCH!

This quote is directed to Euro Switzerland



First off yeah and im sure that in your mind if the bible is out of date and context then God will take your life with a pinch of salt since you will have no advocate namely Jesus Christ to defend you of your sinful nature, thus you will spend eternity in hell. But... that is not the matter at hand.

And... actually the entire bible is based on scientific fact because is it not a scientific fact that the scientists who write scientific facts were created by God. You cannot look around the earth at the sun or trees or feel the wind and not realize that they were created by something much greater than us.

Secondly... If the bible takes all the fun out of life, then frankly you shouldnt be debating whether or not heterosexuality is immoral you should be debating whether it is right to live an immoral life.

Next... If you are not a believer you do not have the holy spirit living inside of you and this would be the reason why the bible doesnt make sense to you. You without the help of the holy spirit within you would never be able to interpret something that is of divine nature.

Lastly... The comment about the bible speaking about slaves is very incorrect in your statement. In the Old testament which is about 2000 years your senior times were a little bit different dont ya think. Mabey not because we dont have written history or scientific proof before 2000 years ago so mabey in a previous state of humanity they had advanced technology.... i will let you decide that in your mind, but the Old testament was part of the old covenant in a very different time and does not have an effect on todays way of life. I mean... king Solomon had a large number of wives and that is not acceptable in todays society either or practiced by Christians.

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.--1 Corinthians, 7:1

Is heterosexuality immoral?

this passage pretains to extra-marital sex

What do you mean by 'cheat'? If my spouse and I both freely agree to have a one night stand with someone else once each year is that cheating?

Then that's sexual immorality. You should get a divorce if you like someone else better.

Heterosexuality is by no means immoral. Unless, of course, you're a rapist, adulterer, pedophile, etc...

Pedophilism(is that the right word) has nothing to do with heterosexuality. Atleast I can't see why they should have anything to do with eachother.

Rape has some to do with it, but fare from every rape.

However, adultery often have to do with hetrosexuality. Btw, adultery you can not commit if you are not married, right? Then I think it should be extended to cheating. ;)

Did you mean homosexuality, or are you a member of one of those cult religious organizations that doesn't believe that a man and a woman should be together? You realize, of course, that those orgs. eventually die out...

No, of course not. My point was that it is easy to quote things out of context.

it is easy to quote things

It sure is.

Yeah, I know - great, isn't it? :D

Okay, in all seriousness, I take some of the bible with a pinch of salt for a couple of reasons;

1) Some of it is out of date by today's standards (doesn't it say somewhere about it being okay to own slaves?)

2) Some of it is grounded on no medical or scientific fact (well, okay - most of it is grounded on no medical or scientific fact, but the main thing I mean is the whole "immoral to spill the seed thing" - what does the bible say about menstration(sp?) in this case? As far as I am aware, it doesn't say anything.)

3) A lot of the bible either takes the fun out of life or just doesn't make sense. Technically, we're not even allowed to go to the bathroom...

There; that's my two pennies. :)
Good for you if u get that it is ok to own slaves from the bible then you are taking it out of context. I don't know about the masturbation thing. about the science comment there is no contradiction between the bible and any
scientific law now there are contradictions with theories but hence the word theory. but the details of that is a diferent topic.
and I have heard this now I can not dispute this because I have not read the entire book. can u give me a reference of where exactly this is said explicitly or infered. I know if u read this u probly took it out of context post where u found this and Ill admit im wrong or help u understand what it really says.

Now hetrosexuality being imoral depends on the context and homosexuality being immoral no more than contaception because the same argument used against homosexulity can be applied to contaception.
Then there are the exceptions, like one of the monogomist partners has an STD the contaception is OK..


Ohhh and i like this smiley :sniper: snipers kick ***

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.--1 Corinthians, 7:1

Is heterosexuality immoral?

Good work giving it right back to those Bible-belt nuts, Lelita! :D

It sure is.

hehe ;)

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.--1 Corinthians, 7:1

Is heterosexuality immoral?

No. And you're a bad troll. Bad troll.

No. And you're a bad troll. Bad troll.

If you call that trolling, I suggest you run while you can.

If you call that trolling, I suggest you run while you can.

This topic would only be brought up by a nutbar or a troll. And I said was a bad troll.

This topic would only be brought up by a nutbar or a troll. And I said was a bad troll.

Really? Alternative reasons have already been brought up.

Really? Alternative reasons have already been brought up.

Like what? The "alternative lifestyle" supporters attempting to bait those who oppose homosexuality with a biblical quote? I'm leary of anyone who quotes any religious text as support for their argument. (with the exception of Clergy, but who really listens to them anyway?)

Like what?

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I'm leary of anyone who quotes any religious text as support for their argument. (with the exception of Clergy, but who really listens to them anyway?)

Like that. The fact that saying "Teh Bible sed this!!!1", taking a very small part out of context to make a 'point' is silly.

I can't believe that people believe everything they read in a silly book. If it's says in a book "Go kill you neighbors" would you go and kill you neighbors just because you read it in a book? No, you wouldn't (at least not if you're sane). It's the same with the bible (it's a book to you know) just because someone wrote it doesn't mean you have to think exactly like it says in it. You have to make your own opinions too.
You don't love a person because of his/her gender you love a person for who he/she is.

Like that. The fact that saying "Teh Bible sed this!!!1", taking a very small part out of context to make a 'point' is silly.

Oh. OK. Then we're on the same page. My bad.

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.--1 Corinthians, 7:1

Is heterosexuality immoral?

Ok, the POINT of this isn't for counter-arguments to this, th epoint is it's a parady of the homosexual thread.

Someone's gotten of thier arse and read up a quote equalling the stupiudity of the one on Homosexuality {mabye not as harsh...shouldnt say that realy...}

OK, so can the CHRISTIANS i.e., The God Squad, plz respond directly to this...

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.--1 Corinthians, 7:1

Is heterosexuality immoral?premarital heterosexuality is immoral.

premarital heterosexuality is immoral.
Says who?(And on what basis?)

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.--1 Corinthians, 7:1

Is heterosexuality immoral?

Yes. They committed many atrocities against gay people. :(

No!!!!!!!!!!

Yes. They committed many atrocities against gay people. :(

Bah, fairies don't hold grudges *shrug*



P.S. That was irony.

I sure do love it whenever someone points out something wrong with the English translations of the OT or NT, some bible-humper is always right there saying, "Oh that's just taken out of context!"

Ah well ... opinions are like assholes ... everybody has them and they all stink.

Sexual = Moral

Hetero and Homo are just commentary.