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What do you think should be done about the mexicans pouring across the mexican border into America. I want to see the army used to keep illegals out. I have NO problem at all when any immigrant comes in legaly but when they do it illegaly they need to be beaten and deported. They will ruin America if someone does not stop them.

I can respect your position on wishing to keep illegal immigrants out, but the army? I would think it would irk soldiers who went through so much work to get where they are, to be stuck spending their days watching over the border. I wouldn't really think that's what they signed up with in mind. I could be wrong.

You can't use the army for that. Posse Comitatus.

You can't use the army for that. Posse Comitatus.
Why not.

The army would be a bit extreme. And costly.

Besides, think of how Mexico would react along with the rest of the world. Not pretty...

The army would be a bit extreme. And costly.

Besides, think of how Mexico would react along with the rest of the world. Not pretty...

I couldn't care any less how the world acted let alone mexico.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

The New Colossus - Emma Lazarus

I might add...since we seem to have forgotten, that that is inscribed at the bottom of the statue of liberty...possibly the single most beloved symbol of this nation ever known.

At risk of sounding cliché...it really IS un-American to say that anyone can't come here. Additionally...it's egotistical and disgusting, it's not like they're hiding in parking lots and jumping out and wresting our jobs from us - if they get jobs it's because they deserved them, that's what the whole system is about. The only way they could get jobs unfairly is if they're willing (or forced) to work for less money, which makes them MORE attractive to employers. All immigration should be made legal.

I couldn't care any less how the world acted let alone mexico.
still costly. and unworthy of our soldier's much needed time. Especially when we got two forgein nations to deal with.

Here is what The Best Website in The World had to say on the matter: http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart

Maddox says that if immigrants are willing to do MORE work for LESS money it is lazy to complain and bitch so endlessly about it. He is utterly right, if you were willing to do the same amount of work for the same amount of money as those immigrants there would be no problem. In fact if companies like Walmart were FORCED to give equal pay there would be no problem at all.

What do you think should be done about the mexicans pouring across the mexican border into America. I want to see the army used to keep illegals out. I have NO problem at all when any immigrant comes in legaly but when they do it illegaly they need to be beaten and deported. They will ruin America if someone does not stop them.

how, exactly, will they ruin anything?

I agree we should defend our boarders, but I have a much better solution: land mines. Let me explain.
Line the boarder with this setup, first a fence followed by barbed wire then a 100m mine field with random placed mines at the other end of the field repeat the barbed wire and the fence.
We will still have legal boarder crossings controlled by the INS and that being the only legal crossing from either Canada or Mexico.
This needs to be done along both boarders in order to stop the never ending flood of illegal immigrants.

Mexico doesn't have any right to complain about what we do with criminals within our borders. I think it's a decent idea to have the Army or Guard do a roundup in the Central Valley and other places with a lot of illegal workers. We could deport a whole bunch of them in one shot, like Eisenhower did. Plus we could catch and punish their emplyers, since no one does that much currently. I'd say the cops, but a lot of departments refuse to go after illegals, and they probably couldn't spare the manpower for such a big operation anyway. I wouldn't deploy tanks or anything, of course. And I wouldn't put the Army on any long term law enforcement duties.

For the idiots who are saying we should just let in all immigrants, I don't feel like explaining the many, many reasons for strict immigration limits just now, but let it be known that there are people who disagree with you, and they have spent more serious thought on the issue than you have. So if you are going to say "America is for everyone your a dirty racist!" you must back that up with some good reasons America is for everyone. I say it's not.

Here is what The Best Website in The World had to say on the matter: http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart

Maddox says that if immigrants are willing to do MORE work for LESS money it is lazy to complain and bitch so endlessly about it. He is utterly right, if you were willing to do the same amount of work for the same amount of money as those immigrants there would be no problem. In fact if companies like Walmart were FORCED to give equal pay there would be no problem at all.

for once I agree with maddox

Why not.
Because of Posse Comitatus, a law which states that you can't use the military for civillian law enforcement.

Unless you think we're being invaded by Mexico?

I agree we should defend our boarders, but I have a much better solution: land mines. Let me explain.
Line the boarder with this setup, first a fence followed by barbed wire then a 100m mine field with random placed mines at the other end of the field repeat the barbed wire and the fence.
We will still have legal boarder crossings controlled by the INS and that being the only legal crossing from either Canada or Mexico.
This needs to be done along both boarders in order to stop the never ending flood of illegal immigrants.

Yes of course! MASS DEATH! That will teach those scum not to seek a better and happier life!

I agree we should defend our boarders, but I have a much better solution: land mines. Let me explain.
Line the boarder with this setup, first a fence followed by barbed wire then a 100m mine field with random placed mines at the other end of the field repeat the barbed wire and the fence.
We will still have legal boarder crossings controlled by the INS and that being the only legal crossing from either Canada or Mexico.
This needs to be done along both boarders in order to stop the never ending flood of illegal immigrants.

WHAT?? Ladies and Gentlemen, Stalin has entered the forum!! They are, first and foremost, HUMAN, and we should treat them as such. They are here trying to make a better life, and that is what our government is for, improving the quality of life for those in our borders (and, because of actions it has taken in some instances, occasionally those outside of our borders as well). Stop thinking like a F***ing nazi and start thinking like those people might actually need our help.

I think the US policy on immigration needs to be "conservative" in nature but should also reflect the essentially "liberal" tone of the constitution. In other words, it's a balance that isn't easily struck.

As a Brit, I agree that illegal immigration is a serious problem and I support any measures taken to ensure that the United Kingdom doesn't become a "soft touch" to benefit-tourists and those people looking to exploit our free NHS. However, I recognise that immigration has also provided us with a vast amount of talent and it has undoubtedly made contributions to our society.

In the post 11th September world, it's a very serious political question. The United States naturally wants to ensure that it can root out terrorism and therefore better border security might be justified. On the other hand, the USA is a great "mixing pot" of Protestant, Jewish, Irish, Hispanic and Black people and it wouldn't do the country justice to start denying newcomers seeking the "American Dream".

The United States, like the United Kingdom, must prove that it is a safe haven, but not a soft touch.

Mexico doesn't have any right to complain about what we do with criminals within our borders. I think it's a decent idea to have the Army or Guard do a roundup in the Central Valley and other places with a lot of illegal workers. We could deport a whole bunch of them in one shot, like Eisenhower did. Plus we could catch and punish their emplyers, since no one does that much currently. I'd say the cops, but a lot of departments refuse to go after illegals, and they probably couldn't spare the manpower for such a big operation anyway. I wouldn't deploy tanks or anything, of course. And I wouldn't put the Army on any long term law enforcement duties.

While we're talking about Mexico's right to complain, why don't we return the entire bloody southwest to them. We sorta invaded and stole most of it from mexico with no good reason ANYWAY. "The halls of Montezuma" in that song (for the marines, I beleive), refers to a mexican training school. We were actually held off for hours by 3 children on the ramparts - when they were out of ammunition they wrapped themselves in the mexican flag and jumped from the battlements, after which point our entire unit of trained american adults could finally get inside "the halls of montezuma"...and we sing about it like it was some great accomplishment on our part instead of imperialist agression and murdering of children...get over yourselves, we have no right to be controlling the border of this country when we STOLE it from these people's ancestors anyway!! There isn't a single state in this union that hasn't been stolen through war, genocide, or both - at very LEAST we can allow anybody who wants in now that small repreive, and try and make up for the brutality of this nation's founding.

I dont have much problem with mexicans coming to our country in search of a better life. But if they are comming into here illegaly then they should be thrown out. There are many Mexicans who come in here the right way. Dont let the law breakers come into our country. We have enough of them already.

About Mexicans taking our jobs...that wont happen unless you work a crappy job that only pays you $5.15 an hour. I'm sorry but I dont think any thinking person would work for less than min. wage. $5.15 an hour already is still leaving people on the streets. The only reason Mexicans can work for less is because they have about 10 people living in the same damn house.

I dont have much problem with mexicans coming to our country in search of a better life. But if they are comming into here illegaly then they should be thrown out. There are many Mexicans who come in here the right way. Dont let the law breakers come into our country. We have enough of them already.

About Mexicans taking our jobs...that wont happen unless you work a crappy job that only pays you $5.15 an hour. I'm sorry but I dont think any thinking person would work for less than min. wage. $5.15 an hour already is still leaving people on the streets. The only reason Mexicans can work for less is because they have about 10 people living in the same damn house.

No, that is why they NEED to work for such a low wage. The reason they CAN is that they are not lazy.

illegal immigration will stop when it is in the best interest of the rich and powerful for it to stop. and not one day before that.

illegal immigration will stop when it is in the best interest of the rich and powerful for it to stop. and not one day before that.

Great point, well that day may never come as the rich and powerful need the poor and alienated to stock their shelves and wipe their dried piss of the toilet floor for a low wage so they can make a profit that is a few dollars bigger and this is unlikely to change while capitilism and/or the current immigration laws exist.

I agree we should defend our boarders, but I have a much better solution: land mines. Let me explain.
Line the boarder with this setup, first a fence followed by barbed wire then a 100m mine field with random placed mines at the other end of the field repeat the barbed wire and the fence.
We will still have legal boarder crossings controlled by the INS and that being the only legal crossing from either Canada or Mexico.
This needs to be done along both boarders in order to stop the never ending flood of illegal immigrants.

hmm, mine a 8,891 km border at that depth, to stop the "waves of illegal" immigrants flooding into the US from Canada lol

are you on crack or something??? Do actually think that Canadians want to enter the US so badly, that they're flooding into the US illegally by the score every day???? get off of whatever your on, and take a whiff of reality lmao

hmm, mine a 8,891 km border at that depth, to stop the "waves of illegal" immigrants flooding into the US from Canada lol

are you on crack or something??? Do actually think that Canadians want to enter the US so badly, that they're flooding into the US illegally by the score every day???? get off of whatever your on, and take a whiff of reality lmao

Heh, who on earth would leave canada for the US except somebody so mad they though up was down and so plunge themselves into the Arctic Ocean...

While we're talking about Mexico's right to complain, why don't we return the entire bloody southwest to them. We sorta invaded and stole most of it from mexico with no good reason ANYWAY. "The halls of Montezuma" in that song (for the marines, I beleive), refers to a mexican training school. We were actually held off for hours by 3 children on the ramparts - when they were out of ammunition they wrapped themselves in the mexican flag and jumped from the battlements, after which point our entire unit of trained american adults could finally get inside "the halls of montezuma"...and we sing about it like it was some great accomplishment on our part instead of imperialist agression and murdering of children...get over yourselves, we have no right to be controlling the border of this country when we STOLE it from these people's ancestors anyway!! There isn't a single state in this union that hasn't been stolen through war, genocide, or both - at very LEAST we can allow anybody who wants in now that small repreive, and try and make up for the brutality of this nation's founding.
Well I've never heard that song, and I don't have a clue why it's relevent, so I guess we can write off that part of your post. As for taking land from Mexico, the Southwest was not truly Mexican at the time. It was very lightly inhabited, and the Mexican government didn't give a damn about it. Mexico was and is centered around Mexico City. The further you are from there, the less their government cares about you. Plus, they actually invited Americans to Texas, with partial sovereignty no less, because they wanted our technology.

The reason those jobs pay so badly is that there is a huge supply of immigrants, ones afraid of the police no less, supplementing labor supply. If these second class workers weren't available the jobs would have to actually pay decent wages. Society would improve.

I agree we should defend our boarders, but I have a much better solution: land mines. Let me explain.
Line the boarder with this setup, first a fence followed by barbed wire then a 100m mine field with random placed mines at the other end of the field repeat the barbed wire and the fence.
We will still have legal boarder crossings controlled by the INS and that being the only legal crossing from either Canada or Mexico.
This needs to be done along both boarders in order to stop the never ending flood of illegal immigrants.

"never ending flood" eh? ...I know people whose friends and relatives have been born within a mile of that border. you look a pregnant woman or a new born baby in the eye and then blow them up. If you can actually do that, or would say it's right in any circumstances, then you need some serious help.

Illegal Mexicans in the US? Check out all the illegal eastern europeans and asians and africans pouring in to the UK, commiting crime, sponging off the taxpayer, demanding rights, calling us racist the minute they are criticised for bringing their filthy foriegn habits over here and trying to subvert 1000's of years of british culture. Britain didn't become Great because everytime the going got tough they all deserted it: our ancsestors fought to make britain GREAT, and fought wars to defend our way of life - not for our heritage to be squandered by a load of people who have FAILED in their country of origin and have therefore decided to come and FAIL in the UK instead.

Why don;t they go to Iraq instead? That is a free and democratic country now.

Well I've never heard that song, and I don't have a clue why it's relevent, so I guess we can write off that part of your post. As for taking land from Mexico, the Southwest was not truly Mexican at the time. It was very lightly inhabited, and the Mexican government didn't give a damn about it. Mexico was and is centered around Mexico City. The further you are from there, the less their government cares about you. Plus, they actually invited Americans to Texas, with partial sovereignty no less, because they wanted our technology.

The reason those jobs pay so badly is that there is a huge supply of immigrants, ones afraid of the police no less, supplementing labor supply. If these second class workers weren't available the jobs would have to actually pay decent wages. Society would improve.

it's the officially "hymn" or something to that effect, of the US marine corps. so yes, it is relevent. So why did we invade mexico all the way down to mexico city if it wasn't "truly mexican"?? Of course, the americans at the time thought it was just to get more states south of the mason-dixon line and have more slavery. At any rate, when people die for something, it's a HINT that they might care about it. brush up your history before you make comments like that.

Illegal Mexicans in the US? Check out all the illegal eastern europeans and asians and africans pouring in to the UK, commiting crime, sponging off the taxpayer, demanding rights, calling us racist the minute they are criticised for bringing their filthy foriegn habits over here and trying to subvert 1000's of years of british culture. Britain didn't become Great because everytime the going got tough they all deserted it: our ancsestors fought to make britain GREAT, and fought wars to defend our way of life - not for our heritage to be squandered by a load of people who have FAILED in their country of origin and have therefore decided to come and FAIL in the UK instead.

Why don;t they go to Iraq instead? That is a free and democratic country now.
Bam, here we go. Those arguments and more explain the problem of illegal immigrants in both the UK and the U.S. If you find any of it racist, just change the wording in your head. The point is clean.

Illegal Mexicans in the US? Check out all the illegal eastern europeans and asians and africans pouring in to the UK, commiting crime, sponging off the taxpayer, demanding rights, calling us racist the minute they are criticised for bringing their filthy foriegn habits over here and trying to subvert 1000's of years of british culture. Britain didn't become Great because everytime the going got tough they all deserted it: our ancsestors fought to make britain GREAT, and fought wars to defend our way of life - not for our heritage to be squandered by a load of people who have FAILED in their country of origin and have therefore decided to come and FAIL in the UK instead.

Why don;t they go to Iraq instead? That is a free and democratic country now.


Ok let me sum this up: 1)It is unreasonable to demand rights.
2)Foreign habits are "filthy"
3)Iraq is free and democratic.

1)Human rights are for all humans, immigrants illegal or not are humans.
2)You are a racist.
3)Iraq is run by a terrorist who has executed at leasy 6 men without a trial and was put in place by the US. The Iraqi people have NEVER voted in a fair and balanced election.

it's the officially "hymn" or something to that effect, of the US marine corps. so yes, it is relevent. So why did we invade mexico all the way down to mexico city if it wasn't "truly mexican"?? Of course, the americans at the time thought it was just to get more states south of the mason-dixon line and have more slavery. At any rate, when people die for something, it's a HINT that they might care about it. brush up your history before you make comments like that.
Don't tell me to brush up on my history. I knew everything you said, excluding that stupid hymn. Most of it is irrelevant to this topic. I'm starting to sense a pattern in your posts in that respect.

Illegal Mexicans in the US? Check out all the illegal eastern europeans and asians and africans pouring in to the UK, commiting crime, sponging off the taxpayer, demanding rights, calling us racist the minute they are criticised for bringing their filthy foriegn habits over here and trying to subvert 1000's of years of british culture. Britain didn't become Great because everytime the going got tough they all deserted it: our ancsestors fought to make britain GREAT, and fought wars to defend our way of life - not for our heritage to be squandered by a load of people who have FAILED in their country of origin and have therefore decided to come and FAIL in the UK instead.

Why don;t they go to Iraq instead? That is a free and democratic country now.

actually, britan became great by a freak of nature. you'd be speaking spanish if it weren't for a lucky storm that took out the last major european power and opened up the seas to your vile imperialism. You neglected to mention your expansive trading empire!! We mustn't leave out the Opium Wars or the decades of harsh, racist, imperialist rule in every corner of the earth! Rule Britania! God save it's ineffectual white-supremecist past! 1000 years ago you were tying people up in sacks with disgruntled roosters and throwing them into rivers, 700 years ago you were hanging them until they turned blue and then disembowling them as a form of public entertainment. 200 years ago you were shoving orphans down into coal mines - and letting the poor die by the thousands because you'd chopped all the trees down and the soil was good for nothing but raising sheep. Before your (and my, I might add, I'm ethnically entirely from the United Kingdom), ancestors had indoor plumbing mexico city was a sprawling metropolis where even the land they built on was built by hand, as it was in the middle of a lake. Don't babble on about the glory of your "culture"...it's been a hellhole for most of it's existance and only changed on the broken backs of thousands of helpless innocents. Your point was entirely null.

Ok let me sum this up: 1)It is unreasonable to demand rights.
2)Foreign habits are "filthy"
3)Iraq is free and democratic.

1)Human rights are for all humans, immigrants illegal or not are humans.
2)You are a racist.
3)Iraq is run by a terrorist who has executed at leasy 6 men without a trial and was put in place by the US. The Iraqi people have NEVER voted in a fair and balanced election.
1) Just like criminals have the right to freedom of movement, when they're in prison, right?
2) He is British and he is in Britain. He has every right to expect people claiming to want the British life to assimilate.
3) I don't agree with him on Iraq, and I kind of wish we could stick to immigration.

What do you think should be done about the mexicans pouring across the mexican border into America. I want to see the army used to keep illegals out. I have NO problem at all when any immigrant comes in legaly but when they do it illegaly they need to be beaten and deported. They will ruin America if someone does not stop them.

Don't you think it's a little harsh to beat someone because they entered the States illegally? In my opinion, it's that way of thinking that will ruin the US in the end.

Don't tell me to brush up on my history. I knew everything you said, excluding that stupid hymn. Most of it is irrelevant to this topic. I'm starting to sense a pattern in your posts in that respect.

it may have been irrelevent to the topic, but it was in response to your comments, and not irrelevent to them. The "stupid hymn" (I agree, it's horrible), is a perfectly valid exhibit on american martial culture.

actually, britan became great by a freak of nature. you'd be speaking spanish if it weren't for a lucky storm that took out the last major european power and opened up the seas to your vile imperialism. You neglected to mention your expansive trading empire!! We mustn't leave out the Opium Wars or the decades of harsh, racist, imperialist rule in every corner of the earth! Rule Britania! God save it's ineffectual white-supremecist past! 1000 years ago you were tying people up in sacks with disgruntled roosters and throwing them into rivers, 700 years ago you were hanging them until they turned blue and then disembowling them as a form of public entertainment. 200 years ago you were shoving orphans down into coal mines - and letting the poor die by the thousands because you'd chopped all the trees down and the soil was good for nothing but raising sheep. Before your (and my, I might add, I'm ethnically entirely from the United Kingdom), ancestors had indoor plumbing mexico city was a sprawling metropolis where even the land they built on was built by hand, as it was in the middle of a lake. Don't babble on about the glory of your "culture"...it's been a hellhole for most of it's existance and only changed on the broken backs of thousands of helpless innocents. Your point was entirely null.
You threaten to bring up good points, but when it comes down to it you are too ignorant and too poor a writer to be worth listening to. Your point is null.

1) Just like criminals have the right to freedom of movement, when they're in prison, right?
2) He is British and he is in Britain. He has every right to expect people claiming to want the British life to assimilate.
3) I don't agree with him on Iraq, and I kind of wish we could stick to immigration.

assimilate??? is this what this is about? the immegrants should be whitewashed before they come here and dirty up our shores with their second-rate culture?? They never claimed they wanted "the british life", they only claimed they wanted to live there - and maybe the british cash.

You threaten to bring up good points, but when it comes down to it you are too ignorant and too poor a writer to be worth listening to. Your point is null.

would you care to actually refute what I was saying, or are we content to just make baseless commentary on it?

Don't you think it's a little harsh to beat someone because they entered the States illegally? In my opinion, it's that way of thinking that will ruin the US in the end.

thank you, I agree.

The "stupid hymn" (I agree, it's horrible), is a perfectly valid exhibit on american martial culture.
Which is irrelevant.


assimilate??? is this what this is about? the immegrants should be whitewashed before they come here and dirty up our shores with their second-rate culture?? They never claimed they wanted "the british life", they only claimed they wanted to live there - and maybe the british cash.
Yes, that is what I think. There are also the economic considerations of supporting them and having them drag down wages.


would you care to actually refute what I was saying, or are we content to just make baseless commentary on it?
For that particular post, no. It's not worth it.

Beating them is extreme but illegal immigrants should be deported. They take jobs and opportunities from those legal immigrants who spent the time and effort to go through proper channels.
And I do understand that big corporations want these people for cheap labor. Those companies should be rooted out and punished severely.
Part of the military's mandate is to protect this nation's borders. So, the Army should be there to back up the Border Patrol. How could it be any more costly than the thousands of troops we have guarding North and South Korea's border. If we can do it there, we can do it here.

Which is irrelevant.


Yes, that is what I think. There are also the economic considerations of supporting them and having them drag down wages.


For that particular post, no. It's not worth it.

So it's about money, and cultural supremacy? what's new? this is disgusting.

Beating them is extreme but illegal immigrants should be deported. They take jobs and opportunities from those legal immigrants who spent the time and effort to go through proper channels.
And I do understand that big corporations want these people for cheap labor. Those companies should be rooted out and punished severely.
Part of the military's mandate is to protect this nation's borders. So, the Army should be there to back up the Border Patrol. How could it be any more costly than the thousands of troops we have guarding North and South Korea's border. If we can do it there, we can do it here.

"If we can do it there, we can do it here."

I completely agree, let's bomb east los angelos. *sarcasm*

Maddox is right, but in any case the "illegal immigrants take our jobs" folks are either

a) bitter because they got laid off by the stupid corporation they used to work at
b) confused about economics, business and reality in general
c) racist
d) jingoist
e) all of the above except a), since they've never even had a job and are just trying to look important by expressing their lame opinion.

Here in Arizona it's really not that big of a deal. We know it happens but only the stupid people whine about them 'taking our jobs.' Now really, a white man is going to work for 5 bucks an hour for an 8 hour job which is full of hard labor? I don't think so! We're too lazy. The Mexicans are happy to take that job because that's more money in one day than what they get for a month where they come from.

It's hell crossing the border in the first place. Some will risk getting on a truck driving them to the middle of the desert without water and letting them off there. Some of them die in the desert.

I'm not saying that illegal immigrants are a good thing... I think they should come legally and take those jobs because they get construction done faster which is a necessity when it comes to growing cities. We should make it easier to make them legal immigrants.

The government would not have them beaten. This is not a crazy dictatorship. They would get a fair trial and all this blablabla. In your dreams dude.

"If we can do it there, we can do it here."

I completely agree, let's bomb east los angelos. *sarcasm*
As far as I know, we're not bombing any North Korean cities currently. We have over 20,000 troops guarding the border between the North and South Korean border. If it can be done there on the other side of the world, it can be done even easier here.

So it's about money, and cultural supremacy? what's new? this is disgusting.
Oh, there we go. Instead of making a serious argument or addressing the problems immigration causes just call me disgusting.

America needs to open it's borders to everyone who wants to go there anytime. Without any restrictions. Then they won't try to get into Europe. :D

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"If we can do it there, we can do it here."

I completely agree, let's bomb east los angelos. *sarcasm*


As far as I know, we're not bombing any North Korean cities currently. We have over 20,000 troops guarding the border between the North and South Korean border. If it can be done there on the other side of the world, it can be done even easier here. As far as I know, we're not bombing any North Korean cities currently. We have over 20,000 troops guarding the border between the North and South Korean border. If it can be done there on the other side of the world, it can be done even easier here.

You're missing his point. You said what is good for one place is good for another. He replied that by that logic, since the US is dropping bombs on foreigners, we should drop bombs on foreigner in Los Angeles.

You're missing his point. You said what is good for one place is good for another. He replied that by that logic, since the US is dropping bombs on foreigners, we should drop bombs on foreigner in Los Angeles.

Both you and Anticarnivoria are overgeneralizing my statement.
I specifically mentioned the Koreans. Is the US currently bombing North Korea? Are we bombing cities in North Korea? No. We are policing their border with South Korea with about 25,000 troops. That force is a deterrent keeping North Korea from crossing that border. It's being done successfully. If the US military can secure that border on the other side of the world, it can secure the border of it's own country.

I agree we should defend our boarders, but I have a much better solution: land mines. Let me explain.
Line the boarder with this setup, first a fence followed by barbed wire then a 100m mine field with random placed mines at the other end of the field repeat the barbed wire and the fence.
We will still have legal boarder crossings controlled by the INS and that being the only legal crossing from either Canada or Mexico.
This needs to be done along both boarders in order to stop the never ending flood of illegal immigrants.

Poor wilderness wandering people who can't hike back an forth over the border with no intentions what so ever to come and settle in the nation they didn't come from. Or, what about the lakes? Will you mine those waters aswell? And what about your coastal boarders? Barbed wire and lindmines at the beach? Have people looking through every corner of every vessel that comes in to the harbours?

I say it wont work. Atleast it wouldn't work that good to make people happy about it when they realize how much they have to pay for it. Also, I think that fewer would like to trade with US, cause it wouldn't be worth the trouble.

WHAT?? Ladies and Gentlemen, Stalin has entered the forum!! They are, first and foremost, HUMAN, and we should treat them as such. They are here trying to make a better life, and that is what our government is for, improving the quality of life for those in our borders (and, because of actions it has taken in some instances, occasionally those outside of our borders as well). Stop thinking like a F***ing nazi and start thinking like those people might actually need our help.

Please show me in any of our States or US Constitution where it says it is the government's job to improve the quality of life of it's citizens?..I'm sorry..is that the sound of silence coming back to me?...That's right.it's not there, there have been those who have tried to spin it that way, but it's not there, trust me...

Please show me in any of our States or US Constitution where it says it is the government's job to improve the quality of life of it's citizens?..I'm sorry..is that the sound of silence coming back to me?...That's right.it's not there, there have been those who have tried to spin it that way, but it's not there, trust me...

I am not from the US, but I gotta say that if that's the case, then it's badly written. Any constitution over a democratic state or nation not having that as a goal is badly written in my opinion.

Both you and Anticarnivoria are overgeneralizing my statement.
I specifically mentioned the Koreans. Is the US currently bombing North Korea? Are we bombing cities in North Korea? No. We are policing their border with South Korea with about 25,000 troops. That force is a deterrent keeping North Korea from crossing that border. It's being done successfully. If the US military can secure that border on the other side of the world, it can secure the border of it's own country.

And what we say is: what is good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander. First of all, you'll need more than 25 000 troops and those troops don't come cheap. Second, there's a law that states that the military cannot be involved in police jurisdiction (mentioned above). Also, IIRC, there is not supposed to be any traffic at all between the two Koreas whereas, with Mexico, there's plenty of legal traffic between the 2 countries.

All I'm saying is the proverb "If it works over there, it can work over here." is false.

And what we say is: what is good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander. First of all, you'll need more than 25 000 troops and those troops don't come cheap. Second, there's a law that states that the military cannot be involved in police jurisdiction (mentioned above). Also, IIRC, there is not supposed to be any traffic at all between the two Koreas whereas, with Mexico, there's plenty of legal traffic between the 2 countries.

All I'm saying is the proverb "If it works over there, it can work over here." is false.
Alright. But if we can afford to feed, clothe, support, house, etc 25,000 troops on the other side of the world, we can afford to do the same in our own country.
I didn't know about that law, but part of the military's mandate is to protect the nation's borders. Blocking illegal immigration would fall under that mandate, and so the military should do it.

Isn't there something in the constitution that forbids the army beeing deployed on US soil? For anything other then drill that is.

teach them we are evil phycos. Once a year we have a giant INS purge that strikes pretty much everywhere. What we do with the ilegals is we barcode their foreheads and stick tracking devices in their scalps. Once a month we have them show up at their local scanning office and check in. If they dont check in their beacons are located and they are hunted down. We give them 2 options after we catalog them. 1 is go back to mexico and wear that tatoo as a sign that you shouldnt go to america. Or we let them live here wile taking 1/5 of their salary. More money for the govt. to fund this operation

or an even more unrealistic idea. We plant Fortress Liberty systems. These are Giant 2,000 ft statues of liberty with giant lasers in the torch. and red glowing eyes. They are placed ever 10 km across the border. and zap ilegals as they come across.

or old fashion way. we beat them and send em back

Alright. But if we can afford to feed, clothe, support, house, etc 25,000 troops on the other side of the world, we can afford to do the same in our own country.
I didn't know about that law, but part of the military's mandate is to protect the nation's borders. Blocking illegal immigration would fall under that mandate, and so the military should do it.

Even if we disregard the law/mandate problem for an instant, and I agree that this is just a minor hindrance, the fact is that you would have to clothe/feed/support far more than 25 000 troops. My guess is you'd need closer to 75 000 to 100 000 soldiers for a frontier like that of the Mexico/Us border. That does not come cheap. And can you imagine the amount of troops it would take for the Canadian border? don't forget Alaska!

And you don't even begin to imagine the logistical nightmare and commercial pressures if you decide to stop all those cars and trucks to cross the border, even if you only delay them 15 minutes. Right now, with increased existing security, it cost American and Canadian companies close to 20 billions $ a day because of the increased delays. What you try to implement will not be allowed by the movers and shakers of the US.

While we're talking about Mexico's right to complain, why don't we return the entire bloody southwest to them. We sorta invaded and stole most of it from mexico with no good reason ANYWAY. "The halls of Montezuma" in that song (for the marines, I beleive), refers to a mexican training school. We were actually held off for hours by 3 children on the ramparts - when they were out of ammunition they wrapped themselves in the mexican flag and jumped from the battlements, after which point our entire unit of trained american adults could finally get inside "the halls of montezuma"...and we sing about it like it was some great accomplishment on our part instead of imperialist agression and murdering of children...get over yourselves, we have no right to be controlling the border of this country when we STOLE it from these people's ancestors anyway!! There isn't a single state in this union that hasn't been stolen through war, genocide, or both - at very LEAST we can allow anybody who wants in now that small repreive, and try and make up for the brutality of this nation's founding.

You're right. But let's not stop there. Since every country in the world was establised by force of arms at some point in history or another, we should just remove all borders, there will be no more nations, only one centralized government. Orwell predicted that, just 20 years too late.

And you don't even begin to imagine the logistical nightmare and commercial pressures if you decide to stop all those cars and trucks to cross the border, even if you only delay them 15 minutes. Right now, with increased existing security, it cost American and Canadian companies close to 20 billions $ a day because of the increased delays. What you try to implement will not be allowed by the movers and shakers of the US.
How many of these illegals come through actual checkpoints? What's the percentage who cross through the wilderness? Do you know? I don't.
That's where I'd put the military. Let the Border Patrol stay in control at those checkpoints. Put the military between those points, and you're not impeding any legal traffic.

How many of these illegals come through actual checkpoints? What's the percentage who cross through the wilderness? Do you know? I don't.
That's where I'd put the military. Let the Border Patrol stay in control at those checkpoints. Put the military between those points, and you're not impeding any legal traffic.

Actually, quite a lot of these illegals come through actual checkpoints. I don'T know about the percentage but I'd estimate it to about half, maybee more.

...or an even more unrealistic idea. We plant Fortress Liberty systems. These are Giant 2,000 ft statues of liberty with giant lasers in the torch. and red glowing eyes. They are placed ever 10 km across the border. and zap ilegals as they come across. ...