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i'm starting to think Teresa is a whopper.

Awesome poll idea, I might have to steal it.

Man. This is a tough one. I'm gonna have to go with HRC. I don't think Heinz Kerry is as intelligent as Clinton. Like stating that she's an African American. Or that faux European accent.

Hillary is the anti christ. She is so mean that she smiles and supports Kerry while plotting his loss, so she can be president in 08. Rudy should have stayed in the campaign, he'd have kept her out of the senate. Did you ever notice how she yells when she talks? I knew guys like that too but they were drunks or baseheads. I guess you really can't blame Bill for what he did, a man has needs and I'm sure that she wasn't putting out. Esp since when she spreads them, the thermostat kicks on. :p

Man. This is a tough one. I'm gonna have to go with HRC. I don't think Heinz Kerry is as intelligent as Clinton. Like stating that she's an African American. Or that faux European accent.

She was born in Africa, now lives in America, by definition that makes her an African American. She did have some good luck in picking her husbands!

Why is either a bitch? Because they happen to be successful, strong women who are smarter then any of you? Such a double standard. If they were men, this thread wouldn't even be here. Shame on yourselves! :sniper:

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I don't see how either of them are bitches...but i think the heinz one is less hot. ;)

Man. This is a tough one. I'm gonna have to go with HRC. I don't think Heinz Kerry is as intelligent as Clinton. Like stating that she's an African American. Or that faux European accent.

Ermmm ... THK was born in Africa and is now an American citizen ... that makes her African American. Not everyone born in Africa is dark skinned, you know.

THK speaks five languages and studied in South Africa and Switzerland and came to the US to work for the UN.

She started advocating for women early, attending the first meeting of the Women's Political Caucus in Pennsylvania in 1972. She established the Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement in 1996 to educate women about pensions, savings, and retirement security.

Teresa has received numerous awards and 10 honorary degrees for her many works. In September of last year, she was presented with the Albert Schweitzer Gold Medal for Humanitarianism, for her work protecting the environment, promoting health care and education and uplifting women and children throughout the world. She was recently elected a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.

Oh yeah ... she really sounds like a horrible person.

Both women have more brains, class and ability in their big toes than their moron critics here can ever hope to have in 10 lifetimes. I guess that deeply troubles a lot of you childish rightwinger guys. You guys aren't even worthy to lick the bottom of these fine womens' shoes let alone try to express an opinion on them.

Both women have more brains, class and ability in their big toes than their moron critics here can ever hope to have in 10 lifetimes. I guess that deeply troubles a lot of you childish rightwinger guys. You guys aren't even worthy to lick the bottom of these fine womens' shoes let alone try to express an opinion on them.

While Hillary was protesting the Vietnam War, I went to the Air Force Academy, and served combat duty there. Class? How many first ladies call people "jew bastards"? Even though I hold two patents in the field of radar technology, I'm still a right wing, libertarian idiot!

Do you remember when Ms Heinz was a republican? She insulted Ted "one more for the road" Kennedy pretty good. Lots of class, huh?

Why is either a bitch? Because they happen to be successful, strong women who are smarter then any of you? Such a double standard. If they were men, this thread wouldn't even be here. Shame on yourselves! :sniper:
Sorry guys but I think Stephistan is right here.

Anyway, I think Teresa http://www.bridgebrand.ca/bridgebrand/VIMS/images/Heinz/heinz_ketchup.jpg Kerry is way cooler. She pwned that reporter, and she's an environmentalist.

While Hillary was protesting the Vietnam War, I went to the Air Force Academy, and served combat duty there. Class? How many first ladies call people "jew bastards"? Even though I hold two patents in the field of radar technology, I'm still a right wing, libertarian idiot!

Do you remember when Ms Heinz was a republican? She insulted Ted "one more for the road" Kennedy pretty good. Lots of class, huh?


Oh yeah .... nothing worse than someone speaking their mind ... or, even worse, changing it ... :rolleyes:

Oh yeah .... nothing worse than someone speaking their mind ... or, even worse, changing it ... :rolleyes:

yes but it's always polite to call someone a jew bastard

yes but it's always polite to call someone a jew bastard

About as polite as calling someone a bitch.

yes but it's always polite to call someone a jew bastard

Got a source for that quote?

A legitamite one? Meaning, can you find where the person whom she called a "jew bastard" actually stating for the public record that she called him such?

yes but it's always polite to call someone a jew bastard

I agree that's not a nice thing to say.. but did you ask if Trent Lott was an asshole for his comments about segregation at Strom Thurmond's birthday party too?

Let me guess, the OP is a hetero, white male.

This OP is a joke. Is the right is really full of backwater, ignorant and bigoted people? As Stephistan said, these are intelligent, strong and successful women and this wouldn't even be a thread if they were male.

How can any of you know what either person is like in real life? You think the image they portray in their public lives is in any way what they're really like? How incredibly naive.

How can any of you know what either person is like in real life? You think the image they portray in their public lives is in any way what they're really like? How incredibly naive.

The same as, say... George Bush? Bill Gates? Anyone else who is commonly hated who almost none of the people complaining about would ever have met? They choose how to portray themselves, and their actions speak for themselves. It's perfectly acceptable to form an opinion on someone you haven't met. Imho.

About as polite as calling someone a bitch.

Please. Please. Please don't tell me you just compared insulting someone by using their religion, to calling someone a female dog. No, really. If that's the case, I honestly don't want to know. I don't think my brain can handle that level of...

How can any of you know what either person is like in real life? You think the image they portray in their public lives is in any way what they're really like? How incredibly naive.

Well, we do know that they are both successful, strong, smart women or they wouldn't be where they are today!

While we're on the subject, which Bush daughter is a bigger whore? Jenna or Barbara?

While we're on the subject, which Bush daughter is a bigger whore? Jenna or Barbara?

Well, they're twins, so wouldn't they genetically be similarly sized whores?

Wait, they're not identical twins. In that case, I would have to go with Jenna. Something just tells me there's a "Presidential Daughters Gone Wild" tape out there that's going to be making an appearance soon.

I agree that's not a nice thing to say.. but did you ask if Trent Lott was an asshole for his comments about segregation at Strom Thurmond's birthday party too?

Trent Lott? We were talking about Hillary! Well if segregation, then how about Robert "KKK" Byrd. There is something called free speech.

Please. Please. Please don't tell me you just compared insulting someone by using their religion, to calling someone a female dog. No, really. If that's the case, I honestly don't want to know. I don't think my brain can handle that level of...

Acctually the meaning "bitch" is being used in this thred would be a lewd woman. Not a female dog. Unless you guys are really trying to see who is the bigger female dog, which seams pretty dumb to me and doesn't make sense.

yes but it's always polite to call someone a jew bastard

It doesn't make you any better by calling her a bitch

Let me guess, the OP is a hetero, white male.

This OP is a joke. Is the right is really full of backwater, ignorant and bigoted people? As Stephistan said, these are intelligent, strong and successful women and this wouldn't even be a thread if they were male.

hahaha, yup just because you hold conservative values important it makes you an inbred, no teeth, banjo playing, moron. You don't have to belong to the gop to be conservative. Successful? They married the right men and road their coat tails, and Teresa was born with it. Kind of not sucks when your hubby dies and leaves you worth money then almost everybody will ever see.

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It doesn't make you any better by calling her a bitch

How is bitch as bad as an anti-semetic slur. But I guess it's ok if you hate jews.

How is bitch as bad an anti-semetic slur. But I guess it's ok if you hate jews.

It's the intent behind both that's the issue. You can't condemn something while doing it yourself.

How is bitch as bad as an anti-semetic slur. But I guess it's ok if you hate jews.

Anti-semetic or not, they're both very arrogant and insulting remarks. Name calling because someone name called, is being hipacritical.

Please. Please. Please don't tell me you just compared insulting someone by using their religion, to calling someone a female dog. No, really. If that's the case, I honestly don't want to know. I don't think my brain can handle that level of...

"Jew" is not a religion, it's a cultural identity - a nationality, if you will. (Paul Fray does not practice Judaism) "Bitch" is used as an insult toward women - as in the female gender. Hence, calling a Jewish person a "Jew Bastard" can be easily equated to calling a Woman a "Bitch".

However, with the Hillary "Jew Bastardgate", I am reminded of a very funny scene in Crimes and Misdemeanors where Woody Allen is talking about someone he believes to be an antisemite because he distinctly heard him say "Jew" in the phrase "I've had enough to eat, Jew!" (I've had enough to eat, did you?) Very amusing.

I'd almost be willing to bet Hillary called him a bastard, but I'd also be willing to bet she said "Fuck you, Bastard" and someone standing nearby didn't hear it correctly. Paul Fray has never once acknowledged that she called him a "Jew Bastard" and here's what Hillary said about it:

"Look, I can’t remember everything I said a quarter of a century ago. I had a foul mouth and a hot temper, so I can’t absolutely deny this. I hope I didn’t say it, but if I did, I’m sorry. I think my subsequent record speaks for itself, and I’m content to be judged by that.”

Can anyone here remember every word that came out of their mouth 30 years ago?

Edit: By the way, I am a Jew, a member of the ADL, and a card carrying member of the ACLU. If Hillary did actually call him a "jew bastard", the ADL would have been on her like ugly on Cheney. Yet ... nothing. Go figure. Always, and I mean always consider the source.

You can look at Heinz Kerry and see who really wears the pants in that family, if her old man wins, America will have another bit*h running the country,just like Clintons old lady did.

You can look at Heinz Kerry and see who really wears the pants in that family, if her old man wins, America will have another bit*h running the country,just like Clintons old lady did.

Yeah ... cuz if a man actually respects his wife, he's merely whipped and will let her run everything. After all, it's impossible for a man and woman to have equal footing in a relationship. Women should be treated like cattle just like good God-fearing George W, who patted his wife's ass on national television just after talking about how he trusted women (just not with their own bodies), and Ronald Reagan, who called his wife "Mommy" and George Sr., who married his father! [/sarcasm]

Dumb-ass.


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Trent Lott? We were talking about Hillary! Well if segregation, then how about Robert "KKK" Byrd. There is something called free speech.

I see you completely missed the point, surprise, surprise! :rolleyes:

"Jew" is not a religion, it's a cultural identity - a nationality, if you will. (Paul Fray does not practice Judaism) "Bitch" is used as an insult toward women - as in the female gender. Hence, calling a Jewish person a "Jew Bastard" can be easily equated to calling a Woman a "Bitch".

However, with the Hillary "Jew Bastardgate", I am reminded of a very funny scene in Crimes and Misdemeanors where Woody Allen is talking about someone he believes to be an antisemite because he distinctly heard him say "Jew" in the phrase "I've had enough to eat, Jew!" (I've had enough to eat, did you?) Very amusing.

I'd almost be willing to bet Hillary called him a bastard, but I'd also be willing to bet she said "Fuck you, Bastard" and someone standing nearby didn't hear it correctly. Paul Fray has never once acknowledged that she called him a "Jew Bastard" and here's what Hillary said about it:

"Look, I can’t remember everything I said a quarter of a century ago. I had a foul mouth and a hot temper, so I can’t absolutely deny this. I hope I didn’t say it, but if I did, I’m sorry. I think my subsequent record speaks for itself, and I’m content to be judged by that.”

Can anyone here remember every word that came out of their mouth 30 years ago?

Edit: By the way, I am a Jew, a member of the ADL, and a card carrying member of the ACLU. If Hillary did actually call him a "jew bastard", the ADL would have been on her like ugly on Cheney. Yet ... nothing. Go figure. Always, and I mean always consider the source.

No the adl wouldn't have as the whole organization is riddled with liberal jews who would just as soon sell isreal up the river then do any harm to the clintons. And yes my memory is good enough to remember everything I said.

No, I know Hillary is a bitch because of the reports by her secret service saying that she would yell at them and one time when she was having an intimate moment and one of them walked in she threw an ashtray at them.

I think Teresa is a bitch because she acts all high and mighty like she's the one who built the heinz company. I hate it when she tells her story about living in Africa like i'm supposed to feel sorry for her. Her father was a physician and they had more than enough money to begin with. I bet you she never had to work a day in her life.

i was reading on this one website that she took the whole family out plus some executives and when she left she didn't even leave a tip for the waiter. That had to be a party of more than 11.

I see you completely missed the point, surprise, surprise! :rolleyes:

Surprise, you missed the point! It was just a discussion on which woman is more of a "bitch", segregation has nothing to do with this arguement, but if you want to talk about segregation, then here you go. You can't really say that most segregationists were republicans. Remember the 60's, Byrd who was a high ranking member of the kkk, and many other democrats were opposed to civil rights. Republicans get a bad rap in this area, without them most civil rights laws would never have passed. BTW Lincoln freed the slaves, he was the first GOP President remember.

Stephistan,
That's a load of crap, the same old 'Class Action" Hillary uses when criticized, as if an attack on her is an attack on all women. She is a user, a liar, and a crook. And she sure as hell is not self-made, having tugged along on her cheating husband's coattails her entire life.

Successful? They married the right men and road their coat tails, and Teresa was born with it. Kind of not sucks when your hubby dies and leaves you worth money then almost everybody will ever see.

Ignorant Bullshit.

Hillary was born to a middle-class, conservative Chicago family, became student government president at Wellesley College and was accepted to Yale Law School before she even met Bill Clinton. In 1974, Hillary Rodham moved to Washington, where she worked for the House Judiciary Committee's special counsel John Doar on the impeachment of Richard Nixon before she married Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton married the right woman and rose to power on her coat-tails. It wasn't until after they were married that Bill was elected Attorney General in Arkansas (1976) and later Governor (1978) - before Hillary, Bill was a nobody.

As for THK, I suggest you also look at her life and what she accomplished. She was born and raised in Mozambique, she received a Bachelor of Arts degree in romance languages and literature (French, Portuguese and Italian) from the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, South Africa. In 1963, she graduated from the Interpreters School of the University of Geneva. Fluent in 5 languages, she later served as a full-time consultant to the United Nations Trusteeship in New York City. She has been awarded honorary doctorate degrees from Beloit College (Wisconsin), the University of Massachusetts (Boston), Bank Street College of Education (New York), Pine Manor College and Clark University (Massachusetts), as well as Carnegie Mellon University, the Medical College of Pennsylvania, Drexel University, Washington & Jefferson College and Carlow College, all of Pennsylvania.

When her husband died in 1991, she was asked to run for his seat ... did she? NO! She chose instead to assume direction of the family’s extensive philanthropic operations, undertaking a major reorganization designed to sharpen the foundations’ strategic focus. Today, the foundations she oversees are widely known for developing innovative strategies to protect the environment, improve education, enhance the lives of young children, broaden economic opportunity and promote the arts.

You really need to learn about people before you slam them based on their gender.

"Jew" is not a religion, it's a cultural identity - a nationality, if you will. (Paul Fray does not practice Judaism) "Bitch" is used as an insult toward women - as in the female gender. Hence, calling a Jewish person a "Jew Bastard" can be easily equated to calling a Woman a "Bitch".

Oh for the love of God. Congratulations, you're the first person I've ever put on my ignore list.

While Hillary was protesting the Vietnam War, I went to the Air Force Academy, and served combat duty there. Class? How many first ladies call people "jew bastards"? Even though I hold two patents in the field of radar technology, I'm still a right wing, libertarian idiot!

Do you remember when Ms Heinz was a republican? She insulted Ted "one more for the road" Kennedy pretty good. Lots of class, huh?

Even if these ladies might have said 1 or 2 bad things in the past, the point is that they learned from their mistakes and no longer speak that way. Why can't everybody else just do the same and move on? It's the mature thing to do.

Oh for the love of God. Congratulations, you're the first person I've ever put on my ignore list.

You mean .... if you put someone on your ignore list, you can't see their posts? Oh, thank everything that is holy!! My list is about to get HUGE.

Stephistan,
That's a load of crap, the same old 'Class Action" Hillary uses when criticized, as if an attack on her is an attack on all women. She is a user, a liar, and a crook. And she sure as hell is not self-made, having tugged along on her cheating husband's coattails her entire life.



where is that deat button??

Good point and very valid. But I'm sure that Steph's views are in fact far to the lef of Senator Hillary, her views are out of touch with US opinion, why else run in NY? :)

I always hated how Hillary won her senatorial race in new york. I think the man that was running against her had a lot more experience. He has lived there for most of his and she comes waltzing in and wins without even knowing anything about New York.

Hillary is the anti christ

Agreed. Either her or Jane Fonda, anyway.

She is a user, a liar, and a crook. And she sure as hell is not self-made, having tugged along on her cheating husband's coattails her entire life.

...And you know this for a fact? Because let me guess, you read it some where? You jumped to your own conclusions? You personally don't like her style? Or is it just your knowledge from hanging out with her! Please! :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Keruvalia]Ermmm ... THK was born in Africa and is now an American citizen ... that makes her African American. Not everyone born in Africa is dark skinned, you know.

Well. That is interesting that you put it that way. I knew she was born in Africa. However, a few months back a student in an American highschool submitted his name and printed up flyers for consideration for "African American Student of the Year." He was promptly suspended. Why? He was white. Yet, he was born in South Africa. He was more African American than the blacks at his school. He was punished for pointing this out. If it works for Heinz Kerry, than why shouldn't it work for this kid?

Well. That is interesting that you put it that way. I knew she was born in Africa. However, a few months back a student in an American highschool submitted his name and printed up flyers for consideration for "African American Student of the Year." He was promptly suspended. Why? He was white. Yet, he was born in South Africa. He was more African American than the blacks at his school. He was punished for pointing this out. If it works for Heinz Kerry, than why shouldn't it work for this kid?

I'm reasonably sure THK didn't apply for anything as far as accolades and such as that under being "African American", but I'll accept the parallel.

I'm assuming you're referring to Westside High School and the Trevor Richards incident? Mmkay ... let me put some things in perspective for you:

1] The first two recipients of the award were white.

2] By 2001, the ministerial alliance in charge specified it was for blacks only.

3] The label "African-American" is not universally used by blacks today.

4] Trevor Richards was suspended for being disruptive, not for his application.

5] High School kids don't have the right to free speech.

Need I go on?

You don't have to belong to the gop to be conservative.
You call yourself a libertarian sometimes and a conservative other times. Make up your mind!

Well. That is interesting that you put it that way. I knew she was born in Africa. However, a few months back a student in an American highschool submitted his name and printed up flyers for consideration for "African American Student of the Year." He was promptly suspended. Why? He was white. Yet, he was born in South Africa. He was more African American than the blacks at his school. He was punished for pointing this out. If it works for Heinz Kerry, than why shouldn't it work for this kid?
becuase people in this country are incompetent and stupid