Is there such a thing as a Francophile?
Superpower07
30-07-2004, 15:45
If so, then I'm one of them (since a Japanaphile is a caucasian obsessed w/Japan, I'd assume a Francophile is obsessed w/French-speaking cultures). After my bike trip through Quebec, I absolutely fell in love with the place. I wanna move here someday (or maybe Italy) so much!!
Conceptualists
30-07-2004, 15:46
There is. Similarly, it is possible to be an Anglophile.
Von Witzleben
30-07-2004, 15:46
If so, then I'm one of them (since a Japanaphile is a caucasian obsessed w/Japan, I'd assume a Francophile is obsessed w/French-speaking cultures). After my bike trip through Quebec, I absolutely fell in love with the place. I wanna move here someday (or maybe Italy) so much!!
How do Francophile and Italy fit into the same sentence?
Yes, but there is no such thing as a Japanaphile, you perhaps are thinking of a Nipophile.
Pepsiholics
30-07-2004, 15:48
*also scratches head*
"Good question."
Superpower07
30-07-2004, 15:48
How do Francophile and Italy fit into the same sentence?
Because I may either move to France or Italy when I'm older
Ernst_Rohm
30-07-2004, 15:48
How do Francophile and Italy fit into the same sentence?
italy; much like france but slightly more militarily incompetent
Conceptualists
30-07-2004, 15:50
*Resists urge to post jokes about the Italian military*
Bodies Without Organs
30-07-2004, 16:00
*Resists urge to post jokes about the Italian military*
Don't start that - Rommel had a lot of good to say about their infantrymen, particularly after they held the line when the Germans had routed at El Alamein (IIRC), but I can't find the quote right now, and I think I would value his opinion somewhat more than yours. (No offense intended).
Von Witzleben
30-07-2004, 16:06
Don't start that - Rommel had a lot of good to say about their infantrymen, particularly after they held the line when the Germans had routed at El Alamein (IIRC), but I can't find the quote right now, and I think I would value his opinion somewhat more than yours. (No offense intended).
Hmm yeah. Maybe they fought better under his leadership. But when they invaded Egypt with 6 times the numbers the Brits had. They got as far as 50 km. And on their way back to Lybia they lost 130.000 soldiers. Mostly as POWs. During the invasion of Sicilia hardly no Italian soldier fired more then 2 shots, in the air, before surrendering.
Bodies Without Organs
30-07-2004, 16:44
Hmm yeah. Maybe they fought better under his leadership. But when they invaded Egypt with 6 times the numbers the Brits had. They got as far as 50 km. And on their way back to Lybia they lost 130.000 soldiers. Mostly as POWs. During the invasion of Sicilia hardly no Italian soldier fired more then 2 shots, in the air, before surrendering.
Much of the mass-surrenderring of the Italians can be traced back to their lack of morale in the war whilst Mussolini was in power - they had little real interest in fighting under him. The also suffered greatly from very poor equipment and logistics (IIRC) during the desert war which further eroded their will to fight.
Post 1944 and the change of allegiances from the Axis to the Allies the Italian army and other fighting forces acquitted themselves with honour* and were no longer plagued by the morale problems of fighting a war they didn't believe in. They may not have had any major distinctive victories or glorious* moments, but neither did they have mass surrenders or routs at the first sight of opposition.
*if such a things can actually be said to exist in war, but you know what I mean.
Vollmeria
30-07-2004, 16:56
Dont laugh at the Italian Army.
Their 27mm guns were obsolete against the British tanks in 1940, but when they got attacked, the Italian gunners refused to relinquish their guns! They fought eventhough they stood no chance.
And then there is the mass attack of M13/40s of the Brigada Corazatta Babini that sent the 7th Hussars and the cruisers that came to their aid back where they came from.
Italy is nice but the traffic is dangerous and i dont know the language, the South of France is nice, but they have strange laws. So i guess i'll go for Spain, dont know the language though.
Kryozerkia
30-07-2004, 16:59
If so, then I'm one of them (since a Japanaphile is a caucasian obsessed w/Japan, I'd assume a Francophile is obsessed w/French-speaking cultures). After my bike trip through Quebec, I absolutely fell in love with the place. I wanna move here someday (or maybe Italy) so much!!
WEll, Quebec is a beautiful province... Except for the rampant language police! Charest didn't get rid of them! Bloody pepsi! *snicker*
Roach-Busters
30-07-2004, 17:05
I'm an Asianophile, or whatever you'd call it. My girlfriend- the most beautiful woman in the history of our planet- is Asian.
Dont laugh at the Italian Army.
Their 27mm guns were obsolete against the British tanks in 1940, but when they got attacked, the Italian gunners refused to relinquish their guns! They fought eventhough they stood no chance.
And then there is the mass attack of M13/40s of the Brigada Corazatta Babini that sent the 7th Hussars and the cruisers that came to their aid back where they came from.
....And don't forget that an Italian division was roughly two thirds of the size of any of its contemporaries, that makes them look bad on paper.
As for me, I don't consider myself any sort of "phile", but fitting the context of this thread, I can speak both French and Japanese :)
Bodies Without Organs
30-07-2004, 17:27
As for me, I don't consider myself any sort of "phile", but fitting the context of this thread, I can speak both French and Japanese :)
That makes you a Francophone but not neccessarilly a Francophile...
That makes you a Francophone but not neccessarilly a Francophile...
Yep.
Pepsiholics
31-07-2004, 00:17
WEll, Quebec is a beautiful province... Except for the rampant language police! Charest didn't get rid of them! Bloody pepsi! *snicker*
Yes?
Pepsiholics
31-07-2004, 00:19
I'm an Asianophile, or whatever you'd call it. My girlfriend- the most beautiful woman in the history of our planet- is Asian.
Asian women are so very beautiful and can be a complete pain in the neck! I should know I married one.
*looks over shoulder...*
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 00:44
Asian women are so very beautiful and can be a complete pain in the neck! I should know I married one.
*looks over shoulder...*
Lucky guy! :)
Kybernetia
31-07-2004, 00:58
English is the only foreign language I can speak and write fluently.
So I guess I´m anglophon.
And I liked the English-speaking countries I visited: Britain (up till now only England), Ireland, US, Canada, South Africa.
I´m neither frankophon nor frankophil. I didn´t like French. It was much too difficult for me. I forgot everything I learned (had to learn) at school. In dropped that course as soon as that was possible and I forgot everything since them.
Le francais c´était un language très difficile.
Roach-Busters
31-07-2004, 01:00
English is the only foreign language I can speak and write fluently.
So I guess I´m anglophon.
And I liked the English-speaking countries I visited: Britain (up till now only England), Ireland, US, Canada, South Africa.
I´m neither frankophon nor frankophil. I didn´t like French. It was much too difficult for me. I forgot everything I learned (had to learn) at school. In dropped that course as soon as that was possible and I forgot everything since them.
Le francais c´était un language très difficile.
Where are you from?
Ashmoria
31-07-2004, 01:05
are you sure youre not a quebecophile?
Kybernetia
31-07-2004, 01:11
I´m from Germany and since it is already pretty late here I want to say Good night to all.
Pepsiholics
31-07-2004, 02:30
Lucky guy! :)
Um ... if you say so.
I'm an Anglophile. You could literally get me to step off a cliff face if you could find someone with the right British accent. MmmmmmBritish-accents.
And I'd move to England, but I want to finish my education first... plus I'd be scared of everyone mocking my damn Australian accent. Grrrah... stupid parents, moving to Australia from *London* of all places...
Kybernetia
31-07-2004, 10:31
I'm an Anglophile. You could literally get me to step off a cliff face if you could find someone with the right British accent. MmmmmmBritish-accents.
And I'd move to England, but I want to finish my education first... plus I'd be scared of everyone mocking my damn Australian accent. Grrrah... stupid parents, moving to Australia from *London* of all places...
...
Well, the slang of lower or lower middle class people - I know from Clacton-on-Sea or Tonbridge - is pretty different from "High" English though or the perfect Oxford English.
So it depends where and to whom you are talking to - as in every country.
But I like British English as well. Tony Blair is a great speaker.
American accents can sound pretty bad, though - like ducks.
Well: however that differs as well - not all Americans are speaking like ducks.
Well, while I prefer High English (hey, gimme a break... I just like the whole Evil-Overlord personality type, and the accent fits in well), I've never come across an English accent I didn't like :p
American accents tend to annoy me, simply as a personal preference. And no, I don't hate Americans. My grandfather is American. I just don't like most American accents. If it's any consolation, I come from the country that spawned the Crocodile Hunter - so trust me, I've suffered enough (ugh... just *thinking* about him makes me want to scrub my skin with one of those metal-sponge things. And his Australian* accent makes me long for a full-frontal lobotomy, to make the pain go away)
*'m Australian, so this is one of those 'self-mockery' type things.
Unfree People
31-07-2004, 15:07
I like the Francophonie quite a lot myself, although I see no practical purpose for it in my future (Spanish would have been a much wiser choice), I'm minoring in it and I want to study abroad in France for a while.
Quebec was also lovely, I've been there several times and really enjoyed it. I'd like to live in Canada some day... much better country than the one I'm stuck in now. :p
Sidar Jabari
31-07-2004, 16:47
I guess you can speak a language without liking the culture of the nation concerned, end the contrary is also possible...
So, -philes and -phones can both exist...
But don't misunderstand -philes with some fanatics that believe that a country is superior or far more better that all others... I can't stand this kind of people... They are too narrow-minded...
Xerxes Xavier
31-07-2004, 17:55
Asian women are so very beautiful and can be a complete pain in the neck! I should know I married one.
*looks over shoulder...*
Pain in the neck! As an asian I completely understand that.
.... And then you realise her whole family is crazy.
Kybernetia
31-07-2004, 18:08
Well, while I prefer High English (hey, gimme a break... I just like the whole Evil-Overlord personality type, and the accent fits in well), I've never come across an English accent I didn't like :p
American accents tend to annoy me, simply as a personal preference. And no, I don't hate Americans. My grandfather is American. I just don't like most American accents. If it's any consolation, I come from the country that spawned the Crocodile Hunter - so trust me, I've suffered enough (ugh... just *thinking* about him makes me want to scrub my skin with one of those metal-sponge things. And his Australian* accent makes me long for a full-frontal lobotomy, to make the pain go away)
*'m Australian, so this is one of those 'self-mockery' type things.
Are you refering to this crazy Australian - I don´t know - journalists??? or whatever which goes always to the crocodiles???
Sometimes we have that here in television as well: uhuhu.
Well: fortunately it is translated so you only partly hear him speaking.
No offence inteded, though.
Are you refering to this crazy Australian - I don´t know - journalists??? or whatever which goes always to the crocodiles???
Sometimes we have that here in television as well: uhuhu.
Well: fortunately it is translated so you only partly hear him speaking.
No offence inteded, though.
Average Australians don't talk like Steve Irwin. He's the equivalent of a redneck...an "ocker."
Is fighting wars on this thing worth bothering to do? By the way, I am a self-confessed francophile.