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Like what for instance?

Like when Kerry says he wants a kinder, gentler race with less personal attacks. Then he says that Bush is in bed with the Saudi royal family. Nice. But I guess when you have a coward who gave himself 2 self inflicted wounds, whose fellow swift boat captains don't support him (only 2 do), you can't really blame him for his actions.

i dotn know what the other nations thought, bush has the idiots in this nation convinced that the attack on iraq was a part of the war on terror

Iraq allowed terror groups to train in his nation, he attempted to obtain wmd's, he has chemical weapons (smaller scale than in 1st war but they exist nonetheless), Hussein killed thousands of his own people and thousands more of other nations such as Israel, Kuwait and Iran. This adds up to a justified war on terror. Terror that Hussein supported and engaged in on his own.

I was being sarcastic when writing about Kerry's family values. He supports abortion and....sometimes supports homosexual marriage. Kerry's downfall will be that he seems to waver on important issues.

Heh, when I watched the Iowa caucuses, I liked Joe Lieberman best, too. He seemed to have it...I don't know, pulled together or something. Perhaps he was just appealling to the Republican in me.

-Yo Momma

I was being sarcastic when writing about Kerry's family values. He supports abortion and....sometimes supports homosexual marriage. Kerry's downfall will be that he seems to waver on important issues.

How true

More Republican talking points. Funny how all these newbies pop up and repeat the same shit over and over again with absolutely no substance.

Can you name one accomplishment of his while in the senate? I can't. But I guess when you vote against funding for different military weapons and vehicles, that shows you really care about our boys??? That is if he ever felt the need to show up and vote, which when he did was more wacko then Ted "One for the road, Vote Quimby" Kennedy.

Iraq allowed terror groups to train in his nation, he attempted to obtain wmd's, he has chemical weapons (smaller scale than in 1st war but they exist nonetheless), Hussein killed thousands of his own people and thousands more of other nations such as Israel, Kuwait and Iran. This adds up to a justified war on terror. Terror that Hussein supported and engaged in on his own.
1) all things you pointed at except for terrorism are COMPLETELY irrelevant to what i said
2) and what other nation's government supports international terrorist groups and let them train there, let me see: sudan, iran, saudi arabia, pakistan, afghanistan, etc etc etc.
3) an action by an organized government is NOT a terrorist action, unless you are israel, it is aact of war or crime against humanity. not terrorism. and really? hussein went to israel and started killing people? he mustve been a busy man going to all these nations and blowing stuff up all by himself
4) besides the fact about wmds and chemical being irrelevant to my point i have not seen where we have found the STOCKPILES of READY TO USE WMDs that bush stated iraq to have.

we did NOT invade on the fact that saddham hussein was a threat to his neighbors and world at large, we ivnaded on the ideas that bush was in league with al-quieda and had stockpiels of ready to use wmds that he was letting al-quieda borrow (which in all truthfulness was what pakistan was doing)

Can you name one accomplishment of his while in the senate? I can't. But I guess when you vote against funding for different military weapons and vehicles, that shows you really care about our boys??? That is if he ever felt the need to show up and vote, which when he did was more wacko then Ted "One for the road, Vote Quimby" Kennedy.
go and look up the bills he voted against and see if you can eleaborate on them, then you will make me care

Now the cheering masses all yell Heil Kerry, this is worse thatn 1930's Germany.


Actually, it was Bush who said that things would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship as long as he was the dictator. I think this poster was referring to Bush, perhaps. Bush is the one who wants to overturn the Constitution and ban freedoms and civil rights.

How true
sicne the cosnervatives are all knowing how is homosexual marriage and abortion relevant to family values? or at the very least counter active to them

they did question his patriotism, like they questioned mccain's competence and in one election in texas some republicans questioned a veteran opponents patriotism, said veteran lost 3 limbs in the vietnam war

Because you lose limbs in war, sorry it takes more then that. It was funny, seeing that speaker at the convention who had one arm, trying to clap for Kerry. If that guy was such a hero, why was he not re-elected?

Kerry is probally one of the smartest nominees in a long time. He is easily persuading the unconvinced with democratic propaganda. Honestly, you listen to him and he doesn't sound very far from the republican agenda but when you take a look at his offical platform, he states that he wishes to have gay marriage in the first 100 days of his office. Why doesn't he mention his extremly liberal agenda in Boston. Because doing so would turn off the majority of the american public and undecided. Even though this event was very well planned and played off, it is nothing more than mere lies spun to gain the less intelligent basically free votes.

1) all things you pointed at except for terrorism are COMPLETELY irrelevant to what i said
2) and what other nation's government supports international terrorist groups and let them train there, let me see: sudan, iran, saudi arabia, pakistan, afghanistan, etc etc etc.
3) an action by an organized government is NOT a terrorist action, unless you are israel, it is aact of war or crime against humanity. not terrorism. and really? hussein went to israel and started killing people? he mustve been a busy man going to all these nations and blowing stuff up all by himself
4) besides the fact about wmds and chemical being irrelevant to my point i have not seen where we have found the STOCKPILES of READY TO USE WMDs that bush stated iraq to have.

we did NOT invade on the fact that saddham hussein was a threat to his neighbors and world at large, we ivnaded on the ideas that bush was in league with al-quieda and had stockpiels of ready to use wmds that he was letting al-quieda borrow (which in all truthfulness was what pakistan was doing)

First of all i was giving your reason for invading Iraq because you said that Iraq was not part of the war on terror. Secondly, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia have begun to crack down on terrorist opeations, i grant its only a start but their commitment is growing. Third, You shouldnt claim that Israel is commiting terrorist actions without also mentioning the acts of the palestinians who train children as young as 12 to blow themselves up. The stories about Israel killing children is not entirely true, they were holding AK's(from Palestinian sources). Fourth, Bush said we were invading Iraq because of the *threat* of Iraq obtaining chemical and biological weapons. btw, we have found wmd's, however, not at a scale we expected (much smaller, i admit we were wrong on that). Lastly, if you are saying that bush is league with al quada then i am sorry that moore's film has corrupted you so badly.

Now, I had much better things to do than watch Kerry's speech, but I caught parts, mostly from the Daily show (with Jon Stewart!). Anyhow, the one point that was valid was he thing that referred to Ashcroft. Other than that, it was the usual BS. As Jon Stewart said, the Democrats are campaigning for a more free, more safe America. That leaves the Republicans with a tax-free, less gay America. o_O

By the way, why is it that every time these dipshit politiciians try to use their military service as a boost, we find out they sucked ass? Not to mention the fact that all the Democrats tried to make a point of how poor their family was and all that good stuff. "Well my dad was a coal miner (pause for applause)." "Oh yea? Well my dad was a goat herder (pause for louder applause)!" "Dammit, he's got me beat." It is so pathetic. And I loved Bill Clinton's vicious attack on the Republican party, for their incredible similarities to himself. I guess he knew that would make them look worse. "Most of those tax cuts went to the top 1% of us, which I am in for the first time in my life."" He is a draft-dodger, kinda like me." Jesus Christ, that whole convention was a sham, and it wasn't even funny. Except for the dancing.

Issues... like the one about him "misleading the nation". Sure, if you want to discredit not only our intelligence agencies, but also Britains and Russias. Not to mention the 30 nations that joined our coalition because they also thought that Iraq was a threat. Issues like this are what you liberals try to attack Bush on.

Would that be the same British intelligence agency that downloaded an elderly student essay from the internet, changed phrases like "opposition groups" to "terrorists", and persuaded Colin Powell to hype it up, original typos and all, at the UN?

Of course, I'm sure that the world-famous Marshall Islands Secret Service also provided valuable information. As, no doubt, did the elite ninjas of the Micronesia Spy and Tourist Board and the Palau Intelligence Bureau and Auto-Repair.

Don't do yourself down, though. There were 48 countries in the "coalition of the willing to accept American aid" back in March last year (see the White House's "no, really" press release (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030321-4.html)).

sicne the cosnervatives are all knowing how is homosexual marriage and abortion relevant to family values? or at the very least counter active to them

The basis of a family for over 2 thousand years has been a man and women togerther in marriage, with a child (if they want) *alive* not killed beforee it leaves the womb.

The basis of a family for over 2 thousand years has been a man and women togerther in marriage, with a child (if they want) *alive* not killed beforee it leaves the womb.
Then let me ask you this, what do you think about post-birth abortions? [/sarcasm]

Look, let me make things reeeeeeeal simple.

Military wise?

Kerry > Bush.

One fought, one didn't.

END OF STORY.

Actually, if you have more evidence that the rest of the world doesn't know about it, do share.

Kerry who spent less then 4 months in actually combat, making him a hero, is an expert on the military. He was just a Lt. That's like saying that Hitler's WWI service as a Cpl made him qualified to be the leader of Germany. Sure they all see combat, but only right in front of them, so I don't know how that makes them military wise? Clinton was not in Vietnam, but it never mattered, because it was about the issues, stupid. Why does it matter today?

BTW when officers receive purple hearts, they have to report their injuries to their CO. His CO never thought his wounds were severe enough to warrent them, but because he made a fuss, he got his and hightailed it out of there, like a true hero. He avoided action as much as he could, when he didn't he ended up killing innocent civilians.

[QUOTE=HadesRulesMuch]Now, I had much better things to do than watch Kerry's speech, but I caught parts, mostly from the Daily show (with Jon Stewart!). Anyhow, the one point that was valid was he thing that referred to Ashcroft. Other than that, it was the usual BS. As Jon Stewart said, the Democrats are campaigning for a more free, more safe America. That leaves the Republicans with a tax-free, less gay America. o_O[QUOTE]

Was it funny? i forgot to see it. Jon Stewart is so funny.

Then let me ask you this, what do you think about post-birth abortions? [/sarcasm]

quite gruesome if you ask me. Breaking its skull as it is born is not a pretty sight. Of course this is only one method.

Kerry who spent less then 4 months in actually combat, making him a hero, is an expert on the military. He was just a Lt. That's like saying that Hitler's WWI service as a Cpl made him qualified to be the leader of Germany. Sure they all see combat, but only right in front of them, so I don't know how that makes them military wise? Clinton was not in Vietnam, but it never mattered, because it was about the issues, stupid. Why does it matter today?
1) George Bush Sr. seemed to think military experience mattered.
2) There is a bigger difference in Corporal and Lieutenant than you think there is...heh...Private, PFC, Corporal...a whole lot of other ranks...Lieutenant (there's more of a leadership role at this rank...way more...)

BTW when officers receive purple hearts, they have to report their injuries to their CO. His CO never thought his wounds were severe enough to warrent them, but because he made a fuss, he got his and hightailed it out of there, like a true hero. He avoided action as much as he could, when he didn't he ended up killing innocent civilians.
...vs Bush's military record...

Oh I see. A coalition only counts if France and Germany are on board. I see how it works now.

:rolleyes:

Well, no. It only counts if the populations of the countries supporting it do not oppose it by an overwhelming margin like Spain and Italy. Italy was the site of some of the largest protest rallies ever. It's not a Coalition of the Willing if their governments are forcing them into it.

Even our closest ally of Britain opposed intervening by a good majority,,. of course, so did the United States as polls indicated that people invariably chose in favor of allowing the UN more time.

Several nations have finally bowed to internal pressure to remove their troops, they won't be the last.

Question-I'm John Kerry and did you know I served in Vietnam?


Answer-What is every campaign speech?

1) George Bush Sr. seemed to think military experience mattered.
2) There is a bigger difference in Corporal and Lieutenant than you think there is...heh...Private, PFC, Corporal...a whole lot of other ranks...Lieutenant (there's more of a leadership role at this rank...way more...)


...vs Bush's military record...

Hmmm...the media didnt seem to cover this. Bush served four years with distinction in the texas air guard, recieving four times the minimum requirement of hours for the reserves. in his fifth year (the one in question) he requested a transfer to Alabama air guard(i think it was Alabama, correct me if im wrong), so he could aid in a congressman's election. He did take it easy his last years in the guard BUT, he still made the requirement of air hours to successfully finish his service.

Hmmm...the media didnt seem to cover this. Bush served four years with distinction in the texas air guard, recieving four times the minimum requirement of hours for the reserves. in his fifth year (the one in question) he requested a transfer to Alabama air guard(i think it was Alabama, correct me if im wrong), so he could aid in a congressman's election. He did take it easy his last years in the guard BUT, he still made the requirement of air hours to successfully finish his service.

Gosh, that must have been hard. Imagine... never knowing from one weekend to the next when the NVA might strike.

1) bush never flew a f102 anywhere, he was in alabama alot of the time with his records lost now
2) wow a bachelors in business, big man isnt he
3) the bushs OWN texas
4) really so bush did all these things for medicare and social security (which he is actualyl tryign to fuck up) when he was a PREISDENT, yet the guy in teh senate didnt do jack shit. i think you need to study up on how the government works boyo

Well from what I went through, you earn a bachelors before any other degree. Why, do you have an MBA from Harvard Business School as well? You are a big man too huh? I admit I am lowly, as I have only a measly Masters in Electronic Engineering from Lehigh, so that makes me a loser compared to you.

How can a family own a whole state, where is the deed? Well if the Bushes "own" Texas, then I guess the Kennedy's own Mass. Wait don't forget those blue bloods the Forbe's and the Winthrop's (sorry John Kerry)

Gosh, that must have been hard. Imagine... never knowing from one weekend to the next when the NVA might strike.

Are you insulting the reserves?

Because you lose limbs in war, sorry it takes more then that. It was funny, seeing that speaker at the convention who had one arm, trying to clap for Kerry. If that guy was such a hero, why was he not re-elected?
because teh republicans convinced the ignorant in the area he was unpatriotic

George Bush Sr. when running for office was quoted as saying he'd make a better leader because he had military experience. Why don't the republicans criticize that?

I've always critiqued that. I'm a libertarian, but I don't like it when politicians wear their military service like a crown. I hated Dole for it.

Kerry who spent less then 4 months in actually combat, making him a hero, is an expert on the military. He was just a Lt. That's like saying that Hitler's WWI service as a Cpl made him qualified to be the leader of Germany. Sure they all see combat, but only right in front of them, so I don't know how that makes them military wise? Clinton was not in Vietnam, but it never mattered, because it was about the issues, stupid. Why does it matter today?

For all the whining about a few rejected submissions to MoveOn.org, a lot of Republicans seem willing to trot out comparisons between Kerry and Hitler.

So why was it alright for Clinton not to go to Vietnam and not for Bush?

BECAUSE CLINTON DID NOT RUN AS A WAR PRESIDENT. Apples and oranges people.

Of course, Bush has tried to switch gears to being a peace president after seeing how Iraq is going.

Plus I think actually dodging the draft takes a bit more guts than having Daddy's friends give you a pushy position over more deserving candidates and then not not even living up to that responsibility because you're AWoL in a coked-up haze. I wonder if any of the potential candidates for that spot wound up being shipped to Vietnam and dying because of Bush.

And finally, so Kerry got three Purple Hearts without losing limbs left and right. The fact that the guy was even there for any length of time and chose to be when he could have easily not went is impressive. Where are Bush's Purple Hearts or service ribbons?

Are you insulting the reserves?

Heaven forfend! I would no more dream of doing that than you would consider insulting people who bled for their country on active service.

I've always critiqued that. I'm a libertarian, but I don't like it when politicians wear their military service like a crown. I hated Dole for it.

Agreed and im a republican. if you arent in the military, it doesnt mean you arent a good leader.

First of all i was giving your reason for invading Iraq because you said that Iraq was not part of the war on terror. Secondly, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia have begun to crack down on terrorist opeations, i grant its only a start but their commitment is growing. Third, You shouldnt claim that Israel is commiting terrorist actions without also mentioning the acts of the palestinians who train children as young as 12 to blow themselves up. The stories about Israel killing children is not entirely true, they were holding AK's(from Palestinian sources). Fourth, Bush said we were invading Iraq because of the *threat* of Iraq obtaining chemical and biological weapons. btw, we have found wmd's, however, not at a scale we expected (much smaller, i admit we were wrong on that). Lastly, if you are saying that bush is league with al quada then i am sorry that moore's film has corrupted you so badly.
1) i dont care what you were telling me, it was irrelevant to the point, i know why we shouldve and couldve invaded, but bush convinced the idiot populace it was part of the war o nterror
2) israel is just as bad as pakistan: shooting missiles into crowds of people to kill a single person is a pretty bad surgical strike
3) no bush said iraq had stockpiles of ready to use WMDs
4) i said bush was in league with al-quieda? no i said bush convinced the american populace saddam was in league with al-quieda to convicne them that the war on iraq had to do with the war on terror

Heaven forfend! I would no more dream of doing that than you would consider insulting people who bled for their country on active service.

I can smell the sarcasm dripping off your statement. Many reserves have fought for America and given their lives for it.I cant imagine anyone who would insult that.

The basis of a family for over 2 thousand years has been a man and women togerther in marriage, with a child (if they want) *alive* not killed beforee it leaves the womb.
homosexuality and abortion are irrelevant to family values.

1) i dont care what you were telling me, it was irrelevant to the point, i know why we shouldve and couldve invaded, but bush convinced the idiot populace it was part of the war o nterror
2) israel is just as bad as pakistan: shooting missiles into crowds of people to kill a single person is a pretty bad surgical strike
3) no bush said iraq had stockpiles of ready to use WMDs
4) i said bush was in league with al-quieda? no i said bush convinced the american populace saddam was in league with al-quieda to convicne them that the war on iraq had to do with the war on terror

First, sorry but i misquoted you on that last point. Second, i dont have time to argue with someone that thinks that israel is a "terrorist" nation. theres a big difference between Israel (surrounded by its enemies) and the arab nations (anti-semites, mostly terrorists or their supporters).

You fucking read it--I'm tired of your ignorance, FD. The vote for this bill involved rolling back the tax cuts on the wealthiest 2% that had already been passed in a vote almost a year earlier. Get your facts straight or shut the hell up.

Nice. Can you get anymore angry? Why do you hate success? Most of the top 2% earned their money (unlike Ms Heinz).

Can you not swear at someone who has a different opinion, someone who isn't brainwashed like you?

What are you 16 years old?

Have you looked into the details of that bill or asked Kerry why he voted against it? I can just about gaurantee you there is a good reason.

Do you have Kerry's phone number? I'd like to ask him some questions about Vietnam. Like why did he trash us all by saying we committed thousands of warcrimes while he in fact committed his own by killing unarmed civilians? Why John Kerry? Why?

It was an eloquent speech, filled with symbolism. However, most of it was rhetoric. While he wants to cut taxes, he wants money to finance healthcare, education, and a huge military. And he's not gonna privatize Social Security, either. Well, my theory is that if he really wants to carry this out, he'll borrow against Social Security. But hey, this is why he's a waffler: he's unrealistic.

Eloquent? What, sweat and misspoken words are eloquent? ok whatever.
You know he wants to train more terrorist forces.

Do you have Kerry's phone number? I'd like to ask him some questions about Vietnam. Like why did he trash us all by saying we committed thousands of warcrimes while he in fact committed his own by killing unarmed civilians? Why John Kerry? Why?
I don't think he is home. Plus, he admitted to committing the attrocities too...

sicne the cosnervatives are all knowing how is homosexual marriage and abortion relevant to family values? or at the very least counter active to them

Most of the Conservative arguments against gay marriage also attack my wife and I. They say that the purpose of marriage is for the creation and raising of children. Well, my wife and I have no urge to reproduce and it also implies that they believe a woman's place is at home, barefoot and pregnant. That, along with other actions of the Bush administration, show a desire to press their viewpoint on everyone who will have to agree for fear of invasion (countries) or detention without trial (individuals).

Needless to say, that breeds the type of resentment that means that all anyone has to do to defeat the incumbent in an election is prove that they are viable; it is assumed that if they can do they job at all, they'll do a better job than the current officeholder.


Here's an economic thought that I haven't heard talked about much. It's a given that other countries don't like us much for, among other things, the Bush administration's "go it alone" attitude. How does that affect currency exchange rates? Does this administration's policies weaken the US Dollar abroad?
If so, we may HAVE to go it alone, as foreign goods will become more expensive than their domestic counterparts. While this MAY seem like a good thing, as it will boost our own manufacturing sector, keep in mind that we import oil. Energy costs will skyrocket, hurting our industries and our private lives, increase costs for anything that requires transporting and/or processing between raw materials and consumer use.

First, sorry but i misquoted you on that last point. Second, i dont have time to argue with someone that thinks that israel is a "terrorist" nation. theres a big difference between Israel (surrounded by its enemies) and the arab nations (anti-semites, mostly terrorists or their supporters).

Arabs are a semitic people; therefore, it's unlikely that they are "anti-semites". I assume you mean "anti-Jewish". Racism is a terrible thing: one of its worst aspects is the broad-brush labelling of a people as wholly or mostly one thing or another. Its roots lie in ignorance, fear and, usually, a massive deficit in historical understanding.

Maybe where he lives. I know he lives in San Fransico, where they get quite a bit from Silicon Valley in the South. Since the bubble collapsed, however, Silicon Valley has been economically dead, bringing much of California with it.

He lives in San Francisco! hahaha!! No wonder he thinks the way he does. Maybe his partner is feeding him this information.

You know why the corporate scandals hit? Because the SEC under the Bush Administration hasn't been fucking doing their jobs! And the WTC thing had VERY little effect on the economy, the economy was already in terrible shape and the dow was already sub-9000. If anything it was good for the conomy because it got bush to quit doing photo ops and taking vacations and get off his ass to do something. And no, god damnit, no. It is not even close to being the fastest growing in 20 years. Under clinton it was growing at almost twice the rate it is now.

If it was that good under Clinton, then everybody should have been working. Why was unemployment above 5%?

If it was that good under Clinton, then everybody should have been working. Why was unemployment above 5%?
the unemployment under clinton was the lowest it had been in over a decade

Tell us about the party years, and how they became signature events in the history of the USA. Does partying with Hunter S Thompson qualify him for an honorary medal, maybe?



I did drink with Hunter while I was in Vegas in 74. Yes it does qualify him for a medal. He is a madman....well so was I at the time, I was still hooked on uppers from the Air Force.

Kerry who spent less then 4 months in actually combat, making him a hero, is an expert on the military. He was just a Lt. That's like saying that Hitler's WWI service as a Cpl made him qualified to be the leader of Germany. Sure they all see combat, but only right in front of them, so I don't know how that makes them military wise? Clinton was not in Vietnam, but it never mattered, because it was about the issues, stupid. Why does it matter today?

Funny, Hitler seemed to do pretty alright for himself :) In fact, Hitler wrote in dairy his plans while in prison long before this. Seeing as he did exactly as he wrote he is kinda a prophet, though one could argue self-fulfilling prophecy because he set out to do it. If someone thinks Kerry will turn out like Hitler then the terrorist will be scared. Hitler was the best for the economy, the best for the armed services, and the best for the country in general.
Hitler was bad for religion though... he was also too ambitious.
But 9/10 is'nt bad, thats what 90% that is a B grade?

Here's an economic thought that I haven't heard talked about much. It's a given that other countries don't like us much for, among other things, the Bush administration's "go it alone" attitude. How does that affect currency exchange rates? Does this administration's policies weaken the US Dollar abroad?
If so, we may HAVE to go it alone, as foreign goods will become more expensive than their domestic counterparts. While this MAY seem like a good thing, as it will boost our own manufacturing sector, keep in mind that we import oil. Energy costs will skyrocket, hurting our industries and our private lives, increase costs for anything that requires transporting and/or processing between raw materials and consumer use.


Good points:
Okay, first let me tell you we have deflation our dollar is worth less than it was under clinton. We are almost as bad as Canada's dollar (luckily we are still above it). We import oil from Venezuela more than Suadi but everyone looks to Saudi for comparison even Venezuala. So that is why oil prices go up because Saudis did.
I don't know answer to rest because I can't tell future. Hopefully we will turn to solar, wind, or something like fusion (the opposite of fission) nuclear power.

However, the jobs we have now pay 10% less than the ones we lost did unless you a ceo in which they rose.
So that is why the economy isn't feeling this "improvement" because pay is going down. Making things worse.

Yeah and he paid down the national debt with that money. If I have to give an extra $30 a year or even an extra $100 out of my meager salary to ensure the fiscal stability of this country I'll fucking do it in a heartbeat. Bush and his trickle-down economic theory where giving tax cuts to the rich will benefit those in lower classes is horse shit. That only works if the people on top aren't greedy little bastards, which, at this point in history, they all are. And you know, since the Bush tax cuts, my taxes have actually stayed the same. Where's my fuckin slice of the pie? Or was I lied to again? Hrmn, under this administration that would be such a novel idea *sarcasm*.

It wasn't $100 for me it was quite a bit more. Besides I earned the money, so what's wrong with keeping it. I'm a greedy little bastard? I give 15% to my church and give some to other charities.

My taxes have come down some under Bush, but not very much. Why should my taxes go back up when the lower earners won't. Kind of unfair, don't you think?

What about WWII, we didn't know what happened to Hitler until well after the end. Was it all for nothing because we never got Hitler? What about the other Nazi's, they didn't count because we never got their leader?
You can't compare Al-Qaeda to the Nazis. One was an organised, somewhat centralised army. The other is an extremely decentralised, large network of terrorist cells.

I agree with the idea that terrorism is an issue of international crime rather than war. You can wage war on a country which centralised and has borders. Not so with terrorists.

Hrmn Atrocities? Lesse, they bulldoze homes in Palestinian territory that tehy have no jurisdiction to be in and build new Israeli settlements. They kill innocents and don't allow people that need to get to hospitals past check-points. They have un-lawfully occupied that country for years at a time, and now they're building a fucking wall around palestine. Israel has a right to exist, I never said they didn't, I just said that they need to start taking some responsibility in the international community for their actions and stop using us as a human shield. And did you ever think there might be little brainwashing involved? Mebby they're just so pent up with hate because of the oppression and violence that they have lived with all their lives. If Israel stopped bulldozing and pulled out of territory that doesn't belong to them this whole thing would have been over decades ago, but no they're being stubborn about it. And I resent that you call me anti-semetic, especially because I'm half jewish.

Well in America you have the right to be offended by me. How is anything Israel does unlawful? Because the UN says it is? The UN is anti semetic, why should they listen to what they say? When you are surrounded by nations that want to erase you from the map the last thing you should do is ask permission from an organization that is filled with people that hate you. The wall they built is a good thing, and bombings are down quite a bit. It is funny though that all of those arab and persian nations cry the blues for the palestinians, but actually don't care one bit for them. Why won't Egypt or Syria or some other nation over there build a new homland for the palestinians

Ok Hannibal, I've held my tongue long enough! Stop with the name calling please. It doesn't help an arguement and it just makes people mad! Not only that, it doesn't make you any smarter, just the opposite infact.

Get over it! "It's the jazz baby"

He gives us shit about using profanity but it is okay for him to hurl insults, sounds like a double standard to me.

Yes those comments of mine are so insulting, well you should be proud of who you are. I don't swear though. Insults hurt. "You web headed weasel!"

Hey Hannibal, I agree 100%

Thanks, I love it when a plan comes together.


"It's the jazz, baby"

It wasn't $100 for me it was quite a bit more. Besides I earned the money, so what's wrong with keeping it. I'm a greedy little bastard? I give 15% to my church and give some to other charities.

My taxes have come down some under Bush, but not very much. Why should my taxes go back up when the lower earners won't. Kind of unfair, don't you think?


No, not unfair at all. It is because of the protections that this country gives you that you have that money you earned in the first place. The police, in general, protect you from having your house ransacked by ravaging hordes of looters. The Military, and the luck of being the only military power on our continent, has kept things like widespread bombing and other attacks away from our industrial and commercial centers throughout almost all of our existence (one big exception we all no about, but nothing compared to what the rest of the world has had to face.)
The rich, affluent, or merely well off, tend to gain the greatest benefits from government whether you are aware of them or not. They have the best connections when it comes to education and business. They get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to matters of law.
If the united states were a dictatorship, then only those closely tied to the rulers would have any money or power. It is freedom and democracy that have allowed the rich to become rich in the first place. It is the power of the United States that has made it the most robust economy in the world (even when it's in a recession.)

Yes you worked hard for it, but if you had been born in Somalia, you wouldn't have anything, no matter how hard you have worked. Why is it unfair to ask more from those who have benefited most? You don't live in a vacuum. The history of our country is why most of the well-off are that way.

go and look up the bills he voted against and see if you can eleaborate on them, then you will make me care

Yes but I was asking if you could name one accomplishment he did while in the senate. It was a question for you to answer. It didn't need embellishment, just a simple answer of if YOU knew one. (YOU being the important point)

Yes but I was asking if you could name one accomplishment he did while in the senate. It was a question for you to answer. It didn't need embellishment, just a simple answer of if YOU knew one. (YOU being the important point)
no ir ecall you complaining about how he voted against money for our troops
elaborate on said bill

Actually, it was Bush who said that things would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship as long as he was the dictator. I think this poster was referring to Bush, perhaps. Bush is the one who wants to overturn the Constitution and ban freedoms and civil rights.

Which part of the constitution has been overturned, what rights have been banned? Can you name one?

Which part of the constitution has been overturned, what rights have been banned? Can you name one?
several have been violated
amendments 1,4,5,6

It wasn't $100 for me it was quite a bit more. Besides I earned the money, so what's wrong with keeping it. I'm a greedy little bastard? I give 15% to my church and give some to other charities.

My taxes have come down some under Bush, but not very much. Why should my taxes go back up when the lower earners won't. Kind of unfair, don't you think?

Well if you give that much to your church and charities you can deduct it from your taxes. And no I don't really think it's unfair, you make more money, you pay more tax, it seems rather simple to me. People that bitch about taxes should shut their mouths anyway and be thankful that taxes here aren't as bad as they are in canada and a lot of the european nations.

Which part of the constitution has been overturned, what rights have been banned? Can you name one?

My right to privacy *looks at the patriot act*

Which part of the constitution has been overturned, what rights have been banned? Can you name one?

I direct you to read the Patriot Act and the 4th Amendment. Also, I direct you to consider the numerous people who have been detained without legal representation and without being charged with anything. I direct you at the continuing efforts to deny a woman's right to choose. I, personally, think that the only person qualified to determine if an abortion is right or wrong is the person who is pregnant, and everyone else should mind their own business.

Well if you give that much to your church and charities you can deduct it from your taxes. And no I don't really think it's unfair, you make more money, you pay more tax, it seems rather simple to me. People that bitch about taxes should shut their mouths anyway and be thankful that taxes here aren't as bad as they are in canada and a lot of the european nations.
canada and other european nations have free health care

Well in America you have the right to be offended by me. How is anything Israel does unlawful? Because the UN says it is? The UN is anti semetic, why should they listen to what they say? When you are surrounded by nations that want to erase you from the map the last thing you should do is ask permission from an organization that is filled with people that hate you. The wall they built is a good thing, and bombings are down quite a bit. It is funny though that all of those arab and persian nations cry the blues for the palestinians, but actually don't care one bit for them. Why won't Egypt or Syria or some other nation over there build a new homland for the palestinians

The UN.... anti-semetic..... aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha that is quite possibly the most hillariously absurd thing I have heard all day. If the UN is so anti-semetic, why the fuck did they give Israel their country in the first place, eh?

canada and other european nations have free health care

I'd pay more in my taxes if I had free health care.

1) George Bush Sr. seemed to think military experience mattered.
2) There is a bigger difference in Corporal and Lieutenant than you think there is...heh...Private, PFC, Corporal...a whole lot of other ranks...Lieutenant (there's more of a leadership role at this rank...way more...)


...vs Bush's military record...

When I had to retire from the Air Force due to my wounds, I was a Lt Col. I didn't get to see the whole picture even at that rank. In WWI a Cpl commanded as many troops as Kerry did as a Lt. Kerry was in the navy, he didn't command a platoon. Why are you talking about Bush Sr.? This was about Kerry and his record.

One thing, why isn't there a discussion about bush's military records being destroyed days before they werrer supposed to release them? The pentagon admits it happened by them.
At least Kerry's records still exist lol

Gosh, that must have been hard. Imagine... never knowing from one weekend to the next when the NVA might strike.

Do you even have a clue as to how dangerous it is to fly fighter jets, even stateside? How many people were killed in accidents (not combat related) back in my day? It is very dangerous.

because teh republicans convinced the ignorant in the area he was unpatriotic

No but they told them that if they would hang him on the wall, his name would be ART.

And finally, so Kerry got three Purple Hearts without losing limbs left and right. The fact that the guy was even there for any length of time and chose to be when he could have easily not went is impressive. Where are Bush's Purple Hearts or service ribbons?

Impressive, that he inflicted 2 wounds on himself, both scratches, to get sent home early, leaving his band of brothers behind.

I don't think he is home. Plus, he admitted to committing the attrocities too...

Yes he did say that, but he lumped the rest of us into the SS comparisons.

Impressive, that he inflicted 2 wounds on himself, both scratches, to get sent home early, leaving his band of brothers behind.
he inflicted them on himself? peeling potatoes i guess? must been what you were doing in nam, kinda dangerous work

I just watched Ted Kennedy tear Bush a new hole.

the unemployment under clinton was the lowest it had been in over a decade

Yes but since it was so good, why did we still have people living on the streets? It was all fake? Because during the 90's with it's .com explosion everybody was making fists of money, but what happened? The market woke up and realized that these companies were not worth anything since they basically didn't produce any tangible products. I hope you didn't get wiped out, like a lot of foolish investors.

Funny, Hitler seemed to do pretty alright for himself :) In fact, Hitler wrote in dairy his plans while in prison long before this. Seeing as he did exactly as he wrote he is kinda a prophet, though one could argue self-fulfilling prophecy because he set out to do it. If someone thinks Kerry will turn out like Hitler then the terrorist will be scared. Hitler was the best for the economy, the best for the armed services, and the best for the country in general.
Hitler was bad for religion though... he was also too ambitious.
But 9/10 is'nt bad, thats what 90% that is a B grade?


The point I was making was that just because you serve, it doesn't make you a brilliant military man (ala Stalingrad).

Yes but since it was so good, why did we still have people living on the streets? It was all fake? Because during the 90's with it's .com explosion everybody was making fists of money, but what happened? The market woke up and realized that these companies were not worth anything since they basically didn't produce any tangible products. I hope you didn't get wiped out, like a lot of foolish investors.
...eh, that's not exactly what caused their downfall, and since I like enlightening, I will enlighten...but you're right about the dotcom bubble bursting. However, this is something no president had any control over. You can't blame either Bush, you can't blame Clinton. You can only blame Gore for inventing the internet.

The dot com companies appeared good because they receiving tons and tons of orders and taking in tons and tons of money. This made their stocks rise really high. They were making tangible products, just not enough to meet the demands of the orders they were taking. This caused a severe crash in their stock because they had to start giving people their money back and their profit that looked really huge turned into a relatively small profit. Investors pulled out and they had no more money to keep the company afloat with.

You can't compare Al-Qaeda to the Nazis. One was an organised, somewhat centralised army. The other is an extremely decentralised, large network of terrorist cells.

I agree with the idea that terrorism is an issue of international crime rather than war. You can wage war on a country which centralised and has borders. Not so with terrorists.

Yes you can wage war against them, kill them and then their families. If you can't find a terrorist, find his family and start executing them one by one until he comes back. Then shoot him and the rest of his family when he returns. Afterall they want all of us "infidels" to die. I say let them meet Allah and his virgins. Personally after 3 or 4 virgins, wouldn't you want a pro?

Yes you can wage war against them, kill them and then their families. If you can't find a terrorist, find his family and start executing them one by one until he comes back. Then shoot him and the rest of his family when he returns. Afterall they want all of us "infidels" to die. I say let them meet Allah and his virgins. Personally after 3 or 4 virgins, wouldn't you want a pro?


You need professional help. Seriously. Please. Before you shoot some kid on the street because he looks like the son of a "terrist".

No, not unfair at all. It is because of the protections that this country gives you that you have that money you earned in the first place. The police, in general, protect you from having your house ransacked by ravaging hordes of looters. The Military, and the luck of being the only military power on our continent, has kept things like widespread bombing and other attacks away from our industrial and commercial centers throughout almost all of our existence (one big exception we all no about, but nothing compared to what the rest of the world has had to face.)
The rich, affluent, or merely well off, tend to gain the greatest benefits from government whether you are aware of them or not. They have the best connections when it comes to education and business. They get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to matters of law.
If the united states were a dictatorship, then only those closely tied to the rulers would have any money or power. It is freedom and democracy that have allowed the rich to become rich in the first place. It is the power of the United States that has made it the most robust economy in the world (even when it's in a recession.)

Yes you worked hard for it, but if you had been born in Somalia, you wouldn't have anything, no matter how hard you have worked. Why is it unfair to ask more from those who have benefited most? You don't live in a vacuum. The history of our country is why most of the well-off are that way.

My point was why, if we have to pay taxes in the first place, can't we all pay an equal percentage, like say 10%. The current tax code is unfair as it is. The government need to cut alot of wasteful programs, and let us keep more of our money. It is true that this country let us earn money and property, but they want to punish us for living the American dream. Yes it's unfair, even with all of the services the government provides.

BTW I have enough guns and ammo to hold off a small army, let alone some stupid criminals. If I had to call the cops, it would take them probably and hour to get here from the nearest town.

several have been violated
amendments 1,4,5,6

Have they been overturned?

Have they been overturned?
what do you mean

My point was why, if we have to pay taxes in the first place, can't we all pay an equal percentage, like say 10%. The current tax code is unfair as it is. The government need to cut alot of wasteful programs, and let us keep more of our money. It is true that this country let us earn money and property, but they want to punish us for living the American dream. Yes it's unfair, even with all of the services the government provides.

BTW I have enough guns and ammo to hold off a small army, let alone some stupid criminals. If I had to call the cops, it would take them probably and hour to get here from the nearest town.

More evidence of this individual's ability to completely miss the point. 10%??? The entire military would probably have to be dismantled if the tax rate were a flat 10%. Yeah, I'd feel real safe at that point.

Well if you give that much to your church and charities you can deduct it from your taxes. And no I don't really think it's unfair, you make more money, you pay more tax, it seems rather simple to me. People that bitch about taxes should shut their mouths anyway and be thankful that taxes here aren't as bad as they are in canada and a lot of the european nations.

Why deduct it, if it's from the heart. As a vet, a business owner, a voter, a citizen, a husband and father, and an American, it is my right to "bitch" about taxation without representation as much as I see fit. When was the last time you could vote for tax increases. When you grow up (esp. if you are retired living on SS and medicare) you will come to appreciate the fact that taxes are too high. But then again you might want to pay more. This isn't Canada or Europe this is a capitalistic society, people in those countries are used to having the government in their pocket.

My right to privacy *looks at the patriot act*

Right to privacy? Have you been deprived of it? You can't look at child porn, or do cocaine off of a strippers bosom, but wouldn't that be a matter of privacy. I seriously doubt you have government cameras in your toilet, your bedroom, your car. Does the government hack into your computer to see what you're viewing or typing. Have you checked out the RICO laws, they have been on the books for years and have been far more pervasive then anything in the Patriot Act. Do you have a problem with these laws as well? Is it ok if a law only affects the criminal? RICO laws have been abused more then the Patriot Act ever could hope too..

But in America you are innocent until proven guilty.
unless accused of beign a terrorist

I direct you to read the Patriot Act and the 4th Amendment. Also, I direct you to consider the numerous people who have been detained without legal representation and without being charged with anything. I direct you at the continuing efforts to deny a woman's right to choose. I, personally, think that the only person qualified to determine if an abortion is right or wrong is the person who is pregnant, and everyone else should mind their own business.

The question was if it they have been overturned? As far as I know, you can get an abortion still. Are all of those people detained American citizens? I didn't think this was an abortion debate as it is still legal.

canada and other european nations have free health care

It's not free, it's tax funded. My Canadian friend pays $46 a month for his coverage. He hates the medical system, having to wait 2 years to get a hip replacement surgery, having to wait before that for 1 year to see a specialist. Free does not equal better healthcare. Universal healthcare in America is insane.

Why deduct it, if it's from the heart. As a vet, a business owner, a voter, a citizen, a husband and father, and an American, it is my right to "bitch" about taxation without representation as much as I see fit. When was the last time you could vote for tax increases. When you grow up (esp. if you are retired living on SS and medicare) you will come to appreciate the fact that taxes are too high. But then again you might want to pay more. This isn't Canada or Europe this is a capitalistic society, people in those countries are used to having the government in their pocket.

Well then if you don't deduct it not only are you a whiney little tard, but you're also stupid. And by the time I'm old enough to collect, if bush and the republicans have their way, there will be no SS or Medicare. So what does it really matter to me anyway?

Yes you can wage war against them, kill them and then their families. If you can't find a terrorist, find his family and start executing them one by one until he comes back. Then shoot him and the rest of his family when he returns. Afterall they want all of us "infidels" to die. I say let them meet Allah and his virgins. Personally after 3 or 4 virgins, wouldn't you want a pro?

Yes, that's a wonderful idea. Because we really know the identity of every terrorist out there right? So what, do we just keep killing every one randomly and hope that we got the forgotten brother of a terrorist? Is that what you had in mind?

You're in need of some serious help. Besides, killing innocent men and women in the Arab world does not destroy terrorism. It breeds it. So either way you look at it...your case is wrong.

The UN.... anti-semetic..... aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha that is quite possibly the most hillariously absurd thing I have heard all day. If the UN is so anti-semetic, why the fuck did they give Israel their country in the first place, eh?

Hey nice F-Bomb. It's called guilt, guilt from the fact that nobody did anything to help them out during the war. And from being pressured by the US. How many countries in the UN today like Israel? How many loathe their existence? Why do they condemn them on so many occasions? They are just trying to survive in an area where the UN put them, with enemies all around them. If you lived in Israel, would you want the barrier, or would you like the chance to be blown up while shopping for your groceries?

he inflicted them on himself? peeling potatoes i guess? must been what you were doing in nam, kinda dangerous work

Yes peeling potatoes. One question, if Kerry was in harms way so much, then why don't the other members of his crew have all of those purple hearts too.
Well what I did in "nam" was a tad more dangerous then you sitting on your butt eating doritos. I had to clear the path for the bombers during Linebacker.

I just watched Ted Kennedy tear Bush a new hole.

Yup that is so great, since Ted never killed a woman. If you could even make sense of what he was saying before he passed out and urinated on himself.
"Vote Quimby"

Any republican who bad mouths Kerry will now only prove Kerry's point! :cool:

Im not repub, but kerry is a retard. and his speach did nothing but reinforce why I will not vote for him under any circumstances.

Hey nice F-Bomb. It's called guilt, guilt from the fact that nobody did anything to help them out during the war. And from being pressured by the US. How many countries in the UN today like Israel? How many loathe their existence? Why do they condemn them on so many occasions? They are just trying to survive in an area where the UN put them, with enemies all around them. If you lived in Israel, would you want the barrier, or would you like the chance to be blown up while shopping for your groceries?

Hey nice xenophobia. And I'll grant you that it may have been guilt that got them there in the first place. How many like Israel, 1 the US, why? Who the hell knows. How many loathe their existance, pretty much all the arab members. Why do they condemn them on so many occasions? Because they have violated international law and treaties that they have signed on more occasions than most people can keep track of. And if I lived in Israel, I would help the palestinians take on my corrupt government if not militarily certianly politically.

You need professional help. Seriously. Please. Before you shoot some kid on the street because he looks like the son of a "terrist".

Did I say just randomly shoot some kid, no, I said find a terrorists family and make them pay. Get the bleeding heart out of your ears, it's time to wake up. They want all of us to die. I say videotape them while we cut their heads off with a K-Bar, then send the tapes to the Arab world. You might have to cut millions of heads off before they get the point.

I guess you need some help especially if you believe everything you read. Did you think I was for real? Ding Dong Morning Bells A-Ringing

i think kerry sux
hes gunna make alliances wit "3rd world countries" and were gunna have like a million more mogadisu situations on our hands

Did I say just randomly shoot some kid, no, I said find a terrorists family and make them pay. Get the bleeding heart out of your ears, it's time to wake up. They want all of us to die. I say videotape them while we cut their heads off with a K-Bar, then send the tapes to the Arab world. You might have to cut millions of heads off before they get the point.


i definatly agree wit dat statement

what do you mean

I mean have any of those amendments been overturned by having new amendments. Is there an amendment keeping me from speaking my mind? If there is then I haven't heard of it.

Yes peeling potatoes. One question, if Kerry was in harms way so much, then why don't the other members of his crew have all of those purple hearts too.
Well what I did in "nam" was a tad more dangerous then you sitting on your butt eating doritos. I had to clear the path for the bombers during Linebacker.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

ok first of all
if you look deeper into kerry's file and have the access you need to it
you'll see that he did not support vietnam and he was drafted
he didnt want to be there fighting for his country
oh but now that he's running for president hes all like i fought hard for my country and ill do the same for it now

Did I say just randomly shoot some kid, no, I said find a terrorists family and make them pay. Get the bleeding heart out of your ears, it's time to wake up. They want all of us to die. I say videotape them while we cut their heads off with a K-Bar, then send the tapes to the Arab world. You might have to cut millions of heads off before they get the point.

I guess you need some help especially if you believe everything you read. Did you think I was for real? Ding Dong Morning Bells A-Ringing

..... Just keep talking like that, please, I think I still have some more brain cells for you to kill with your incredible stupidity.

So you're suggesting that we just go and randomly kill innocent people? What separates us from the terrorists then, eh? Not a god damned thing, they swell their ranks if we do shit like that. And I thought you donated 15% of your money to your church? Sure sounds like you're a blood thirsty psychopath that isn't really religious at all eh? What ever happend to turn the other cheek?

Did I say just randomly shoot some kid, no, I said find a terrorists family and make them pay. Get the bleeding heart out of your ears, it's time to wake up. They want all of us to die. I say videotape them while we cut their heads off with a K-Bar, then send the tapes to the Arab world. You might have to cut millions of heads off before they get the point.

I guess you need some help especially if you believe everything you read. Did you think I was for real? Ding Dong Morning Bells A-Ringing
hello dumbass, do you think killing peoples families are going to make the terrorists give up? no you idiot, they already want to kill us, killing their families just drives them on, the best way to make a suicide bomber is to give him nothing left to live for

sensing cluelessness in the vicinity

More evidence of this individual's ability to completely miss the point. 10%??? The entire military would probably have to be dismantled if the tax rate were a flat 10%. Yeah, I'd feel real safe at that point.

Well as long as we got rid of stuff like the NEA, any ideas of healthcare, EPA, IRS, ATF, SSI, and others, we'd be able to afford an army.

unless accused of beign a terrorist

Well if I see a middle eastern man on an airplane I keep an eye on him, don't you? Not too many guys from Bangor Maine are terrorists, are they?

Well as long as we got rid of stuff like the NEA, any ideas of healthcare, EPA, IRS, ATF, SSI, and others, we'd be able to afford an army.

mmmmm yeah drop the EPA, and ATF and all those other lovely agencies. I love gun toting rednecks hopped up on their conspiracy theories and I also love the smell of smog in the morning. Here's a bottle of Phillip's Milk of Magnesia, I think you need some cause you're sounding like you're full of shit.

hey
try ta take my second amendment rites away n ill blow ya head off

hey
try ta take my second amendment rites away n ill blow ya head off

I loves my gun too, so to clarify I was more refering to the guy that has 1000 AK-47s in his basement along with a couple hundred thousand rounds of ammo, some stingers and a bunch of plastiqe explosives that thinks the gov'ment is out to get him.

Well then if you don't deduct it not only are you a whiney little tard, but you're also stupid. And by the time I'm old enough to collect, if bush and the republicans have their way, there will be no SS or Medicare. So what does it really matter to me anyway?

A whiny little tard huh, well just because I don't like to get paid back for something nice I do, that makes me a tard. There won't be any SS anyway so get a job and provide for you and your own. Go and look to the government for entitlements all you want. But you'll never be truly as happy if you are self reliant. If I'm still around when you live in that box under the bridge, I'll throw you some change.

Hey nice xenophobia. And I'll grant you that it may have been guilt that got them there in the first place. How many like Israel, 1 the US, why? Who the hell knows. How many loathe their existance, pretty much all the arab members. Why do they condemn them on so many occasions? Because they have violated international law and treaties that they have signed on more occasions than most people can keep track of. And if I lived in Israel, I would help the palestinians take on my corrupt government if not militarily certianly politically.

International law? hahaha. So if I would brake some international law, the UN would come for me. How can an international law override a nations right to govern itself and deal with internal manners on their own. This is why that little fellow from the former Yugoslavia will get off. If you were in Israel and did what you said you would, I would wish you good luck. You'd need it.

International law? hahaha. So if I would brake some international law, the UN would come for me. How can an international law override a nations right to govern itself and deal with internal manners on their own. This is why that little fellow from the former Yugoslavia will get off. If you were in Israel and did what you said you would, I would wish you good luck. You'd need it.

Yeah, I would need it because my government is run by a bunch of corrupt fascist pigs. And international law has nothing to do with how a government handles it;s internal shit, the conflict with palestine is not an internal affair, it is an international affair, and as a result it is under the jurisdiction of international law.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

Yes I guess you believe everything you read. Have you talked to anyone who has served with Kerry? What I was told, doesn't put Kerry in such a good light. Only 2 of his fellow swiftboat captains support him, why?

..... Just keep talking like that, please, I think I still have some more brain cells for you to kill with your incredible stupidity.

So you're suggesting that we just go and randomly kill innocent people? What separates us from the terrorists then, eh? Not a god damned thing, they swell their ranks if we do shit like that. And I thought you donated 15% of your money to your church? Sure sounds like you're a blood thirsty psychopath that isn't really religious at all eh? What ever happend to turn the other cheek?

Nice, but I guess you can't read as I said the statements I made about cutting off head was a joke. (Directed at kerry and his war crimes) Stupidity, well from where I was coming from, that is called humor. You see a laugh a day makes you happy. With humor, always with humor.

"Blood thirsty psychopath"? I liked that one. Anymore? ;) :p I always liked "Loose Cannon" or even "Freaked out Maniac". But I guess since I am a Vietnam Vet I am a "Blood Thirsty Psychopath", according to John F-ing Kerry.

Yes I guess you believe everything you read. Have you talked to anyone who has served with Kerry? What I was told, doesn't put Kerry in such a good light. Only 2 of his fellow swiftboat captains support him, why?
did you read it or did y ou just decide to respond with that

hello dumbass, do you think killing peoples families are going to make the terrorists give up? no you idiot, they already want to kill us, killing their families just drives them on, the best way to make a suicide bomber is to give him nothing left to live for

sensing cluelessness in the vicinity

See the personal assaults really make you look like the fool. I don't know what that crappy school you went to taught you, but I guess you missed the class on humor. You honestly thought that if youd kill their families, they'd cry and give up. It's called Kerry bashing and it's fun. Esp seeing how excited you get about it. Gotta love all of those atrocities. Lame Brain!

mmmmm yeah drop the EPA, and ATF and all those other lovely agencies. I love gun toting rednecks hopped up on their conspiracy theories and I also love the smell of smog in the morning. Here's a bottle of Phillip's Milk of Magnesia, I think you need some cause you're sounding like you're full of shit.

I love hopped up liberals with there conspiracies, like Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened. Such profanity makes you sound foolish, if you can't make any points without it or if you can't see where someone is pulling your leg then I feel sorry for you. MOM isn't that great try new and improved exlax.

BTW John Kerry Served in Vietnam, and Committed atrocities, and Help is on the Way. (What is he going to do, shoot your family and claim that everyone did it?)

See the personal assaults really make you look like the fool. I don't know what that crappy school you went to taught you, but I guess you missed the class on humor. You honestly thought that if youd kill their families, they'd cry and give up. It's called Kerry bashing and it's fun. Esp seeing how excited you get about it. Gotta love all of those atrocities. Lame Brain!
you and i both know it wasnt a joke, you just pretended it was once you got hit with a good point

did you read it or did y ou just decide to respond with that

Yes I read it hevahava. It is filled wriddled with errors. But since you went to some public school you wouldn't know the difference.

"I am not going to try and figure John Kerry out, other than to say, in my view he has been an opportunist all his life-- both privately and publicly.

The guy seems to enjoy being married to super rich women. From my understanding, his first wife was worth about 350 million and as we all know his second wife is worth about 700 million. That's the private side of him.

The public side of the man is one where he takes multi-positions on just about every issue depending on who he is talking to that day.

As Chris Matthews said tonight on Jay Leno, he still doesn't know exactly where Kerry comes down on Iraq. Kerry voted against the first war with Iraq. Then Kerry voted for the second war with Iraq. Then Kerry said he didn't vote for the second war with Iraq , but only voted for the threat of war. Then Kerry said he supports the troops over in Iraq. But then Kerry voted not to fund the troops. But then Kerry said before he voted against funding the troops he actually was for funding the troops. Now Kerry says we should stay in Iraq, but bring the UN and NATO in to internationalize the effort. But at the same time, I think Kerry stated that we should add more US troops or at least look at adding more troops.

Shit, even Joe Lieberman was or still is confused by Kerry's own contradictions.

I think one of the reasons why Democrats like Kerry is that by nature, their kind of voters by and large are confused people to begin with."

IMHO, if a man wants to contemplate the complexities of an issue before making his decision about it, perhaps he needs to spend some time investigating the issue before taking a stand? Might save him a little embarassment down the road...

you and i both know it wasnt a joke, you just pretended it was once you got hit with a good point

Ah, ok yeah I think it's awesome that we'd have nearly a billion muslims pissed at us. Yup makes a lot of sense. I don't know you, glad I don't though.

Yeah, I would need it because my government is run by a bunch of corrupt fascist pigs. And international law has nothing to do with how a government handles it;s internal shit, the conflict with palestine is not an internal affair, it is an international affair, and as a result it is under the jurisdiction of international law.

If it's inside of a country, that makes it internal. Duh!!!! Web Headed Weasel

"It's the jazz baby"

BTW is palestine a soverign state?

did you read it or did y ou just decide to respond with that

I read earlier, Fattie Magee

Ah, ok yeah I think it's awesome that we'd have nearly a billion muslims pissed at us. Yup makes a lot of sense. I don't know you, glad I don't though.

So, riddle me this, we all know cause and effect, basic simple principle. Why do you believe the billion Muslims might just be pissed with you? Does America hold any responsibility for it's foreign policy? Or, too bad so sad, every one just wants to be an American? hmm..

As much as I enjoyed reading these posts, all the name calling made me mad. It doesn't help your arguements in a debate. If anything, it undermines what you say.

Kerry's supporters are few. The Majority only support him because of their hatred for Bush!

Most veterans are against him. Some even came out, those that were with him, and said he's not FIT to be CO of the US Military.

His economics is faulty. His healthcare plan alone costs 900 billion dollars. Where is he going to get the money? Even if he does manage to raise the top 2%, it wont be enough to cover every program AND fund the government.

His family values is shaky as well. Though he opposes gay marraige, he does squat to protect traditional marriage. He believes that Life begins at conception but yet is pro-choice. He voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion bill where every medical doctor interviewed and testified and even the American Medical Association stated that its unethical but he opposed the bill anyway. He stated that Bin Ladin shouldn't have the death penalty nor be tried here in the US but now he's stating that he should be tried in PA, NY, and DC on murder and he'll push for the Death Penalty for him.

As much as I enjoyed reading these posts, all the name calling made me mad. It doesn't help your arguements in a debate. If anything, it undermines what you say.

Kerry's supporters are few. The Majority only support him because of their hatred for Bush!

Most veterans are against him. Some even came out, those that were with him, and said he's not FIT to be CO of the US Military.

His economics is faulty. His healthcare plan alone costs 900 billion dollars. Where is he going to get the money? Even if he does manage to raise the top 2%, it wont be enough to cover every program AND fund the government.

His family values is shaky as well. Though he opposes gay marraige, he does squat to protect traditional marriage. He believes that Life begins at conception but yet is pro-choice. He voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion bill where every medical doctor interviewed and testified and even the American Medical Association stated that its unethical but he opposed the bill anyway. He stated that Bin Ladin shouldn't have the death penalty nor be tried here in the US but now he's stating that he should be tried in PA, NY, and DC on murder and he'll push for the Death Penalty for him.

1) homosexuality and abortion are irrelevant ot family values
2) he has said he opposes gay marriage and abortion but will not force his views on the populace at large
3) no ones gonna be able to do anything with bin ladin
4) other countries seem to do just fine with goenrment funded medical industry, maybe if we rolled back the most useless of tax cuts and legalized marijuana and prostitution and taxed them we'd have some extra money

OR

we can make even BIGGER tax cuts and spend more money that we dont have because the federal government doesnt have to be responsible for the money

you pretend kerry's program is going to put us deep into debt and the countrwill go to hell because we are spendoing lal thism oney we dont have. bush has been spending shitloads of money he doesnt have, that usually happen wehn you cut taxes and icnrease spending

As much as I enjoyed reading these posts, all the name calling made me mad. It doesn't help your arguements in a debate. If anything, it undermines what you say.

Kerry's supporters are few. The Majority only support him because of their hatred for Bush!

Most veterans are against him. Some even came out, those that were with him, and said he's not FIT to be CO of the US Military.

His economics is faulty. His healthcare plan alone costs 900 billion dollars. Where is he going to get the money? Even if he does manage to raise the top 2%, it wont be enough to cover every program AND fund the government.

His family values is shaky as well. Though he opposes gay marraige, he does squat to protect traditional marriage. He believes that Life begins at conception but yet is pro-choice. He voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion bill where every medical doctor interviewed and testified and even the American Medical Association stated that its unethical but he opposed the bill anyway. He stated that Bin Ladin shouldn't have the death penalty nor be tried here in the US but now he's stating that he should be tried in PA, NY, and DC on murder and he'll push for the Death Penalty for him.
I would imagine that you will get the answers to all of these questions and more when Kerry does in fact win the Presidency. Meanwhile, all of your posturing and half truths resolve nothing? Furthermore and perhaps more frustrating to you, is the simple fact that you cannot even vote in this election.

Personally speaking, I believe that the Kerry/Edwards team will do a fantastic job, both on the homefront and abroad.

Kerry's supporters are few. The Majority only support him because of their hatred for Bush!

Most veterans are against him. Some even came out, those that were with him, and said he's not FIT to be CO of the US Military.

His economics is faulty. His healthcare plan alone costs 900 billion dollars. Where is he going to get the money? Even if he does manage to raise the top 2%, it wont be enough to cover every program AND fund the government.

His family values is shaky as well. Though he opposes gay marraige, he does squat to protect traditional marriage. He believes that Life begins at conception but yet is pro-choice. He voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion bill where every medical doctor interviewed and testified and even the American Medical Association stated that its unethical but he opposed the bill anyway. He stated that Bin Ladin shouldn't have the death penalty nor be tried here in the US but now he's stating that he should be tried in PA, NY, and DC on murder and he'll push for the Death Penalty for him.

1) doesn't matter, if it gets him votes it gets him votes.

2) Not most, some fringe groups of veterans don't support him. Most do support him because Bush has been cutting VA funding for the past 4 years.

3) You got the 900 billion dollars from the Bush-Cheney commercials and literature which is a number that they pulled out of their asses, no one really knows what the cost is and if it can be done, it is more of an aspiration than anything. The bottom line is that he needs to Fix medicare because of the blow that it took from the most recent bill that basically bars the government from getting lower drug prices. And quite franky about the raising taxes not making funding for the government, where have you been for the last 4 years? Bush cut taxes and increased funding substantially for defense, which already has the second largest bankroll, and really wouldn't have needed money if this useless war hadn't been started by our fearless leader.

4)Family values, abortion and gay marriage should be the last things on anyone's list when deciding who to vote for. I think I said this before in this topic but I'll paste it again:
"According to the Gospels, Jesus did not devote any serious time or effort denouncing either "abortion" or "homosexuality" though he did devote serious time and effort denouncing the "rich" along with self-righteous religious hypocrites. Maybe today's Religious Right could learn a few things about "prioritizing" from Jesus?"
- E.T.B.

Yeah, I would need it because my government is run by a bunch of corrupt fascist pigs. And international law has nothing to do with how a government handles it;s internal shit, the conflict with palestine is not an internal affair, it is an international affair, and as a result it is under the jurisdiction of international law.

If you hate America so much, why not move to your Utopia paradise, lame brain. Yes sir, every night Haliburton goes to bed thinking of ways to screw you over. Just because you stink at the game of life doesn't mean you should take it out on me!

you and i both know it wasnt a joke, you just pretended it was once you got hit with a good point

How would you know what I thought unless of course you work for big oil? Aha that's it, you and big oil are reading my thoughts. In that case you have screwed the country over with your hate and your rhetoric. Hate Monger!

BTW Do I sound liberal enough yet?

If you hate America so much, why not move to your Utopia paradise, lame brain. Yes sir, every night Haliburton goes to bed thinking of ways to screw you over. Just because you stink at the game of life doesn't mean you should take it out on me!

I was talking about Israel, I believe that that was the subject at that point in the conversation. [Edited]

If you hate America so much, why not move to your Utopia paradise, lame brain. Yes sir, every night Haliburton goes to bed thinking of ways to screw you over. Just because you stink at the game of life doesn't mean you should take it out on me!

Ok, I am going to caution you on the flames here.. please knock it off.. attack the argument not the poster, thank you.

Microevil , also, please.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Ok, I am going to caution you on the flames here.. please knock it off.. attack the argument not the poster, thank you.

Microevil , also, please.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

About time Steph! Even I was getting annoyed with him and that is hard to do! LOL!

*takes it down from a 10 to a 3*

Kerry's supporters are few. The Majority only support him because of their hatred for Bush!

You know, this is getting a bit tired, particularly since it's never backed up. The same is true for those who are "supporting" Bush. They do it only because they rabidly hate Kerry. By far, the majority of voters don't like either one of them and that's why the polls are flip-flopping so much. No clear choice is emerging. The next couple of months will be telling.


Most veterans are against him. Some even came out, those that were with him, and said he's not FIT to be CO of the US Military.

Again, you got a cite for that? Cause lots of military, both past and present, aren't all that fond of Bush as he cuts their health care, pay and family services so he can pay more to contractors like Halliburton.


His economics is faulty. His healthcare plan alone costs 900 billion dollars. Where is he going to get the money? Even if he does manage to raise the top 2%, it wont be enough to cover every program AND fund the government.

Sigh, you know, Purly Euclid argues this fanciful number better. And the same counter argument holds true. That $900 billion number is a projection by the Republican party, so it's immediately not trustworthy and also, there is zero chance of that kind of legislation getting passed through Congress with that price tag, regardless of who controls it. There is no concrete proof out there to suggest that Kerry will inherantly spend more than Bush (who's track record for government spending is none to great to begin with...what ever happened to the party sworn to reduce federal government bloat and protect state's rights?), who has not only run up a record deficit in the last four years, but also shows no signs of doing anything to curtail government spending. Will Kerry spend differently? Certainly. But there's no convincing argument that he will spend more.


His family values is shaky as well. Though he opposes gay marraige, he does squat to protect traditional marriage. He believes that Life begins at conception but yet is pro-choice. He voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion bill where every medical doctor interviewed and testified and even the American Medical Association stated that its unethical but he opposed the bill anyway. He stated that Bin Ladin shouldn't have the death penalty nor be tried here in the US but now he's stating that he should be tried in PA, NY, and DC on murder and he'll push for the Death Penalty for him.

So what? These are not federal government issues. These are state issues. Marriage is states rights. Abortion should be states rights and the federal government has little to no business stepping in on either side. As for Bin Laden, Bush still hasn't managed to find him after three years of searching, so I'll worry about Kerry's theoretical stance on Bin Laden's trial location when, and if, someone manages to actually locate him.

you mean the international community's disrespect for our country? and how has he disrespected the Constitution?

As hard as it is to believe, we are not the supreme masters of Earth, the international community should be respected above all countries. I realize that the UN is not the powerful body that it should be but that doesn't mean that we can go gallavanting off to war without their permission. And the international community is disrespecting us by protesting our reckless war?

I find it so hilarious that the worst thing that Conservatives can find wrong with Kerry is that he "flip-flops" on the issues. Would it really be better to have someone as a president who always stubbornly sticks to his wrong or misguided decisions and leads us into a pointless war while alienating the rest of the world than someone who can admit his mistakes and change his mind? What a weak attack, but I guess it is the best that they have.

I find it so hilarious that the worst thing that Conservatives can find wrong with Kerry is that he "flip-flops" on the issues. Would it really be better to have someone as a president who always stubbornly sticks to his wrong or misguided decisions and leads us into a pointless war while alienating the rest of the world than someone who can admit his mistakes and change his mind? What a weak attack, but I guess it is the best that they have.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

Emerson

I wanted to back you up, but my words aren't as pretty. So I stole Emerson's.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

Emerson

I wanted to back you up, but my words aren't as pretty. So I stole Emerson's.
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"
- John Maynard Keynes.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"
- John Maynard Keynes.
nice.

"I am large. I contain mulitudes."

Whitman
A little off track, but I don't have a lot of quotes.

Hey folks, you know when you read posts, you get a feel for the tone of them, I suppose some do this better then others. Listen to the hate and anger and bitterness coming from the people who are having to face Bush is probably going to be a one term president. It sort of makes me laugh.. it's so transparent, they're worried.

Guess what Einstein... the people don't elect the President, the Electoral College does. It's not really a popularity contest. Although, I know that is what's most important to liberal leaders. Guess what else... the Electoral College is going to re-elect George Bush.

Personally, I don't really want to vote for Bush. I refuse to vote for John Kerry. However, if Kerry wins, I won't be 'bummed' or anything. I guess I'll feel more like that moment when you're riding in a car, and you see what appears to be as an impending collision, and you brace yourself. I don't think Kerry will be man enough for the job. He's a liberal, so his collective thought processes are mired in the mud of remaining popular, above all else. Intelligent older/wiser people don't like to change horses midstream during a war. And, sorry to say but it's true, the vast majority of voters are intelligent older/wiser people. There's a saying, "If you're under 40 and you're a Republican, you have no heart. If you're over 40 and you're a Democrat, you have no brain!" Although, I've voted in each and every election/vote since I was 18 years old, perfect attendance (wish I could say the same for all my years of school and work :D ), I've always been registered Republican. I lean towards considering myself "Independant" though. I cross party lines without hesitation if the right choice (to me) demands it. I may just cast my vote for a write in... me.

You and everyone else will just have to wait and see. Haha... then we'll see who's pissed off. If nothing else, if Bush is reelected, I can't wait to experience the liberal back lash and the new conspiracy theories... and the run on crying towels at Gaymart. If Kerry's elected, I'll just have to deal with it, but it's no big deal. I just hope he proves me wrong and is man enough to handle the tough choices he'll have to make.

AND, I'd still like to know who all the "Foriegn Leaders" are that support his bid for President... he still refuses to say. That has me more worried than anything else... who's he 'in bed' with?


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Guess what Einstein... the people don't elect the President, the Electoral College does. It's not really a popularity contest. Although, I know that is what's most important to liberal leaders. Guess what else... the Electoral College is going to re-elect George Bush.

Personally, I don't really want to vote for Bush. I refuse to vote for John Kerry. However, if Kerry wins, I won't be 'bummed' or anything. I guess I'll feel more like that moment when you're riding in a car, and you see what appears to be as an impending collision, and you brace yourself. I don't think Kerry will be man enough for the job. He's a liberal, so his collective thought processes are mired in the mud of remaining popular, above all else. Intelligent older/wiser people don't like to change horses midstream during a war. And, sorry to say but it's true, the vast majority of voters are intelligent older/wiser people. There's a saying, "If you're under 40 and you're a Republican, you have no heart. If you're over 40 and you're a Democrat, you have no brain!" Although, I've voted in each and every election/vote since I was 18 years old, perfect attendance (wish I could say the same for all my years of school and work :D ), I've always been registered Republican. I lean towards considering myself "Independant" though. I cross party lines without hesitation if the right choice (to me) demands it. I may just cast my vote for a write in... me.

You and everyone else will just have to wait and see. Haha... then we'll see who's pissed off. If nothing else, if Bush is reelected, I can't wait to experience the liberal back lash and the new conspiracy theories... and the run on crying towels at Gaymart. If Kerry's elected, I'll just have to deal with it, but it's no big deal. I just hope he proves me wrong and is man enough to handle the tough choices he'll have to make.

AND, I'd still like to know who all the "Foriegn Leaders" are that support his bid for President... he still refuses to say. That has me more worried than anything else... who's he 'in bed' with?


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conspiracy theories like bush holding poeple indefinately without access to a legal counsel or trial? oh wait he is ALREADY doing that

theories about him trying to force his religious beliefs on the populace, oh wait he is ALREADY doing that.

the only thing bush himself is doing is trying to force his opinions and beliefs on the populace, hes letting everyone else do all the hard stuff.

oh yes scary liberals, they want national health care and protection of first amendment rights and giving people the right to choose without government interference in their lives

Dana Carvey as George HW Bush: SSSSSSSCARY