NationStates Jolt Archive

I saw this on a job application, and I have to say, this is probably one of the most stupid things I've seen.

(paraphrased)
Is there anything prohibiting you from legally getting a job in Virginia. (This will not necessarily disqualify you from receiving a job)
???
So, I can't legally work here, but you may just give me a job anyway? WTF?

So your not allowed to get a job but you can still get one....makes you wonder....

Well, the job might not be in Virginia. In which case, maybe they were just curious.

No, it was a job for a store in a Virginia mall. A Lego store, actually...
Truthfully, it did have a spot to check agreeing to travel, but wouldn't that still be considered a job in VA?

I think they put that on there so people would be stupid enough to check "no."

'Course, when I applied online for BlockBuster, there's a check for "yes" or "no" to:
(paraphrased)
Will you treat our customers with respect, making them feel welcome and appreciated?

What idiot would say no?
"NO! I WILL NOT MAKE THEM FEEL WELCOME! F* THE CUSTOMERS! So, when do I start?"

Its a fairly standard piece of boilerplate. It is mostly aimed at imigration/ citizenship status. Employers are not allowed in many states in the US (and all of Canada I believe) to ask about citizenship / imigrations status, or if they do ask it (for statistical or identification purposes) to use it for hiring decisions.

Welcome to the wonderful world created by lawyers. Please keep body parts inside the vehicle at all times. We do realize this means that you can never leave.

That is strange.

That is pointless!
Won't that mean that the company can get in serious trouble for hiring an illegal?

That is pointless!
Won't that mean that the company can get in serious trouble for hiring an illegal?
Actually hiring an illegal is not a problem (as long as it's not a sham hiring), it is having an illegal work for you that is the problem.

Say, you're an illegal and go to work at a lego store in Virginia, the company offers you a job starting tommorow afternoon - the company has no problems so far and hasn't done anything wrong. Tommorow afternoon comes and you go to work, if the company allows you to work or pays you for working they're now in trouble, but if they don't allow you to work or pay you they haven't. You have been hired and given a job, but you have not worked for them.

What's pointless about that? It seems perfectly reasonable and clear to me. You ought to see some of the strange laws.

I personally prefer the more common "If hired can you provide proof and documentation that you are legally permitted to work in the United States?". This adresses the fact that it is illegal for a company to hire someone without filing out INS form 9 on them, but the documents for INS form 9 may be forged and unless the employer has reason to believe that documents used for INS form 9 are forgeries, they are not liable (a crime was commited, but not by the employer).

LOL

There's some wierd legal stuff out there. Like being allowed to shoot welshmen with a bow and arrow within Chester city limits after curfew.

Never repealed

:sniper:

LOL

There's some wierd legal stuff out there. Like being allowed to shoot welshmen with a bow and arrow within Chester city limits after curfew.

Never repealed

:sniper:

.....woah, I'm totally going to Chester and buying a bow and some arrows.

Or maybe it was Shrewsbury ...

LOL

There's some wierd legal stuff out there. Like being allowed to shoot welshmen with a bow and arrow within Chester city limits after curfew.

Never repealed

:sniper:
Nice one, but this isn't type of situation. This is the conflict of two goals and how the legal system resolves it. Society wants everyone to have an equal chance to be hired, doesn't want recism and such. Society also wants to keep foreigners away from jobs for some reason (I don't know, I've never understood it).

LOL

There's some wierd legal stuff out there. Like being allowed to shoot welshmen with a bow and arrow within Chester city limits after curfew.

Never repealed

:sniper:

Oh sh*t! *runs*

It's legal to beat your wife on the steps of the courthouse before 8 a.m. somewhere.

In Virginia, it is illegal to tickle a woman.
I believe it is also illegal to have any form of sex except missionary position.

Actually hiring an illegal is not a problem (as long as it's not a sham hiring), it is having an illegal work for you that is the problem.

Say, you're an illegal and go to work at a lego store in Virginia, the company offers you a job starting tommorow afternoon - the company has no problems so far and hasn't done anything wrong. Tommorow afternoon comes and you go to work, if the company allows you to work or pays you for working they're now in trouble, but if they don't allow you to work or pay you they haven't. You have been hired and given a job, but you have not worked for them.

What's pointless about that? It seems perfectly reasonable and clear to me. You ought to see some of the strange laws.

I personally prefer the more common "If hired can you provide proof and documentation that you are legally permitted to work in the United States?". This adresses the fact that it is illegal for a company to hire someone without filing out INS form 9 on them, but the documents for INS form 9 may be forged and unless the employer has reason to believe that documents used for INS form 9 are forgeries, they are not liable (a crime was commited, but not by the employer).

Ok, so they can be hired, but they can't work? That's definitely pointless.

Ok, so they can be hired, but they can't work? That's definitely pointless.
I don't see what's pointless about it, do you thnk people should be allowed to make hiring decisions on the basis of race or nationality? Certainly not, everyone should have an equal chance regardless of nationality, we cannot permit employers to go around discriminating against people. Or perhaps you think illegal foreigners should be allowed to steal jobs from natives (or whatever the argument is)?

This way we get to fufill both of our desires, keeping employers from discriminating and keeping foreigners from working.

I don't see what's pointless about it, do you thnk people should be allowed to make hiring decisions on the basis of race or nationality? Certainly not, everyone should have an equal chance regardless of nationality, we cannot permit employers to go around discriminating against people. Or perhaps you think illegal foreigners should be allowed to steal jobs from natives (or whatever the argument is)?

This way we get to fufill both of our desires, keeping employers from discriminating and keeping foreigners from working.

No, I think it's pointless that they are required to hire someone if they meet qualifications, even if they can't work. I'm sorry, but if they can't work, I'm not going to hire them. It's that simple. I don't care where, or why, or how, but if they can't work, I'm not hiring them.

No, I think it's pointless that they are required to hire someone if they meet qualifications, even if they can't work. I'm sorry, but if they can't work, I'm not going to hire them. It's that simple. I don't care where, or why, or how, but if they can't work, I'm not hiring them.
Be careful about that kinda talk, that's the type of thing that causes companies to lose discrimination lawsuits.