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I just read a post at another forum that I like so much that I decided to re-post it here. Enjoy :)

I think it’s a laughable that George Bush’s intentions in Iraq are noble. In my opinion they are selfish. All this rhetoric about liberating the Iraqis and creating an infrastructure for democracy is just talk used as a smokescreen for GW‘s real intentions.

I mean do you really believe GW, Rumsfeld, Cheney care about the welfare of ordinary Iraqi‘s. I mean do you care about ordinary Iraqis. GW doesn’t have Iraqs best intentions in mind (and they know it), he has his own interests, and that’s not the average working class American - it’s his privliged country club buddies and members of the board. The ones who's kids are fighting in Iraq.

It’s clear that most of you don’t give two %!@$ about the Iraqis either as they are commonly referred to as “camel jockeys” and many of you fantasise about blowing up Fulluja without any concern for civilians who would be killed in the process. So I figure deep down you don’t give a %!@$ what happens to “other people” or “other countries” as long as the US retains it’s privileges, power and wealth.

George Bush has done a lot of harm to America.. I’ve travelled the world and if there is one thing that the people of every country has in common - it is it’s people’s dislike for the USA. This is caused by a perception of selfishesness, arrogance, and disrespect shown to others.

Issues such as lack of environmental concern, unfair trade deals, cultural invasion, intervention and meddling in other countries internal affairs, disrespect for international law and lack of sympathy for the occupied Palestinians has led most of the world to have a negative view of America.

That is different to a dislike of Americans. I like Americans and I think most people of most countries do. I’ve met many on my travels and they have tended to be intelligent, friendly, social and good, careing people. God knows why they vote in these governments.

I know many of you don’t care what the rest of the world thinks and that’s part of the problem. You should look what made America great and what you have become.

I couldn't agree more!

I don't care if the whole world hates us, we should STOP ALL aid to EVERYONE then see how much they miss us. They always hate us when they don't need the US military.

I don't care if the whole world hates us, we should STOP ALL aid to EVERYONE then see how much they miss us. They always hate us when they don't need the US military.

Ever read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand? You probably should.

Ever read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand? You probably should.

For a man who makes Vash the Stampede look like a serial killer, you surprise me with your adherence to violence-protected property.

I don't care if the whole world hates us, we should STOP ALL aid to EVERYONE then see how much they miss us. They always hate us when they don't need the US military.

Ever considered that it's best if the US would stop its terrorist activities? Maybe then some of the goodwill that was lost after ignoring the UN and invading Iraq will be restored. Oh, and a few apologies to a few dozen countries for past misdeeds wouldn't hurt either!

For a man who makes Vash the Stampede look like a serial killer, you surprise me with your adherence to violence-protected property.

Huh? What? Who the Whatsits?

I never said I particularly agree with Randian Objectivism, at least not anymore, but she makes some good points. Rand wasn't exactly for violence, either, at least to my knowledge, as it represented the ultimate breakdown in her ideal of human rationality. As for her ideas on property, well, she was an avowedly unashamed capitalist, but that in itself doesn't negate her arguments when she happens to make good ones.

Anyway, my comment was more to let Enodscopia know that someone else has considered the idea of "What happens when the Prime Movers absent themselves from the picture." If you agree with Rand, it's an excellent example of how the whole of society is based on the actions of a few shining supermen and, should these people no longer participate in society, it is doomed to destruction. If you think she gives big business too much credit for acting in their own enlightened self-interest, then it's an interesting read by an interesting woman and, ultimately, nothing more than a work of fiction.

Huh? What? Who the Whatsits?

I haven't even seen much anime and I know who Vash is.

I never said I particularly agree with Randian Objectivism, at least not anymore, but she makes some good points. Rand wasn't exactly for violence, either, at least to my knowledge, as it represented the ultimate breakdown in her ideal of human rationality. As for her ideas on property, well, she was an avowedly unashamed capitalist, but that in itself doesn't negate her arguments when she happens to make good ones.

Property "rights" are enforced by violence. Ever heard of cops arresting people for trespassing.

Anyway, my comment was more to let Enodscopia know that someone else has considered the idea of "What happens when the Prime Movers absent themselves from the picture." If you agree with Rand, it's an excellent example of how the whole of society is based on the actions of a few shining supermen and, should these people no longer participate in society, it is doomed to destruction. If you think she gives big business too much credit for acting in their own enlightened self-interest, then it's an interesting read by an interesting woman and, ultimately, nothing more than a work of fiction.

She was an authoritarian élitist.

Originally Posted by Papillon
I think it’s a laughable that George Bush’s intentions in Iraq are noble. In my opinion they are selfish. All this rhetoric about liberating the Iraqis and creating an infrastructure for democracy is just talk used as a smokescreen for GW‘s real intentions. This I agree with totally. G.W. used the WMD's and all that other crap to have an excuse to finish what his father started.

I mean do you really believe GW, Rumsfeld, Cheney care about the welfare of ordinary Iraqi‘s. I mean do you care about ordinary Iraqis. GW doesn’t have Iraqs best intentions in mind (and they know it), he has his own interests, and that’s not the average working class American - it’s his privliged country club buddies and members of the board. The ones who's kids are fighting in Iraq.

It’s clear that most of you don’t give two %!@$ about the Iraqis either as they are commonly referred to as “camel jockeys” and many of you fantasise about blowing up Fulluja without any concern for civilians who would be killed in the process. So I figure deep down you don’t give a %!@$ what happens to “other people” or “other countries” as long as the US retains it’s privileges, power and wealth.

George Bush has done a lot of harm to America.. I’ve travelled the world and if there is one thing that the people of every country has in common - it is it’s people’s dislike for the USA. This is caused by a perception of selfishesness, arrogance, and disrespect shown to others. This is how most Americans veiw, lets say the Frence. They think of them as stuck up selfish snobs, who beleive they are better than us. I think it has something to do with television and national pride.

Issues such as lack of environmental concern, unfair trade deals, cultural invasion, intervention and meddling in other countries internal affairs, disrespect for international law and lack of sympathy for the occupied Palestinians has led most of the world to have a negative view of America.

That is different to a dislike of Americans. I like Americans and I think most people of most countries do. I’ve met many on my travels and they have tended to be intelligent, friendly, social and good, careing people. God knows why they vote in these governments. The only reason people like G.W. are voted in is because most Americans wont vote. But when they don't like an elected official they whine about them almost non stop.

I know many of you don’t care what the rest of the world thinks and that’s part of the problem. You should look what made America great and what you have become.[/quote]

I posted this here because I wasnt sure where the original was from.

I haven't even seen much anime and I know who Vash is.

I have only watched Cowboy Bebop and Spirited Away, so my knowledge of anime is extremely limited. I did play Final Fantasy Online when it first came out in the States, though.


Property "rights" are enforced by violence. Ever heard of cops arresting people for trespassing.

I'm not exactly sure I consider this "violence" in a pure sense. While you may disagree, currently the best system around for maintaining and profitting from society is the rule of law. If you break that law, then you must be willing to suffer the consequences. If I go to a protest and get arrested (and I have been), well, I knew that was a possibility when I signed on, so it seems sort of hypocritical to then claim I was treated "violently" by people following the rule of law which I also respect. If I think my arrest was unfair, there are recourses for that as well and I can work to change that law. However, to say that "arrest" equals "violence" is a broad sweep of logical encompassing that I'm not sure is appropriate.



She was an authoritarian élitist.

Oh, certainly she was. Probably fairly unpleasant to know in real life as well. Still, none of that discounts a good point when she makes it. For example, I agree with her that altruism is basically impossible and people always do act out of self-interest. However, I think there is a fine line between self-interest and selfishness. One acknowledges that, for your life, your decisions are paramount. The other implies a "screw the other guy first" mentality that leads to greed and corruption.

Ever considered that it's best if the US would stop its terrorist activities? Maybe then some of the goodwill that was lost after ignoring the UN and invading Iraq will be restored. Oh, and a few apologies to a few dozen countries for past misdeeds wouldn't hurt either!

When you ask for an apology from the Russian Federation for it's part in the former USSR and it's inteference for the last 50 yrs...I'll ask Bush to give you a ring.

When you ask for an apology from the Russian Federation for it's part in the former USSR and it's inteference for the last 50 yrs...I'll ask Bush to give you a ring.

Gimmie Putin's number and I'm so on that!

Gimmie Putin's number and I'm so on that!

What..with roaming charges?...are you nuts..at this time of nite?..lol

I don't care if the whole world hates us, we should STOP ALL aid to EVERYONE then see how much they miss us. They always hate us when they don't need the US military.

Amen to that! The UN hates us but if we were to drop out (like we should), they would be screwed without all our monetary and military support.

Canada is better than the U.S. for an inumerable number of reasons:
1. Harvard is worse than McGill
2.Yale is worse than U of T
3.MIT is worse than Waterloo
4.Americans are facists
5.The list goes on forever

Facists; and you complain about our schools sucking :p

Canada is better than the U.S. for an inumerable number of reasons:
1. Harvard is worse than McGill
2.Yale is worse than U of T
3.MIT is worse than Waterloo
4.Americans are facists
5.The list goes on forever


Heres a website: www.invadecanada.us this will explain why you are wrong and how Canada is evil.


The US is the most powerful country and can do whatever it wants for the most part. No one is gonna stop it, we have thousands more nukes and more advanced weapon than almost every other country. Get used to it.

Bush, Kerry it really doesnt matter cause nothins really gonna change that much. Oh, and Kerrys a hypocrit its true.

we have thousands more nukes and more advanced weapon than almost every other country.

"See, free nations do not develop weapons of mass destruction.

G.W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 8, 2003

I guess that means that Bush disagrees with the US being the land of the free. :D