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I think that if the empire had beaten the Alliance they would have restored alot of order to the galaxy and did alot of good for everyone, so what if the two masterminds where Dark Jedi's, they knew how to do things right...i think the Empire should have won for the benefit of all

You ever read the novels after the New Republic? Specifically the Yuuzhan Vong invasion? These extra-galactic invaders come kicking the crap out of the New Republic, and the New Republic has to turn to the Imperial remnant to save the galaxy. And then the Yuuzhan Vong get their asses kicked because they've never fought an enemy who was willing to stoop to their level to achieve victory.

I love Star Wars. I can't wait until the Revenge of the Sith comes to theaters.

I love Star Wars. I can't wait until the Revenge of the Sith comes to theaters.

I hope they don't ruin it. And by "they", I mean George Lucas.

I think that if the empire had beaten the Alliance they would have restored alot of order to the galaxy and did alot of good for everyone, so what if the two masterminds where Dark Jedi's, they knew how to do things right...i think the Empire should have won for the benefit of all
Not to mention that the Alliance with it's terrorist actions endanger the lives of thousands of Imperial soldiers every day.

Un, Jhenova, the empire was a fascist dictatorship. It was not in any sense a good thing. Order for the sake of order is stupid.

Hmm. I can accept the order part but have difficulty with for the benefit of all. We're talking about an Empire which destroyed Alderan just to end a conversation, so I have difficulty seeing the Empire as being concerned about raising standards of living throughout the Empire. When one factors in that the Empire apparently was opposed to trade and the free exchange of ideas which are usually considered the souce of the benefits of order, I have difficulty seeing the Empire as being beneficial.

Oh, and as for "they knew how to do things right", what sort of idiot builds a Death Star that can be taken out by a bunch of Y-wings?

Not to mention that the Alliance with it's terrorist actions endanger the lives of thousands of Imperial soldiers every day.

But they're not terrorists yet. That doesn't happen until after this movie. :)

The empire wasn't a dictatorship.

Think about it. It spans how many thousands of solar systems and planets, with bazillo-trillo-quadrillions of people, and yet, judging by the lives of most characters in the movies (name one time you saw a homeless guy begging for quarters in a bus station in Star Wars! see?) everyone is well-off and the Emperor is probably someone they only vaguely are aware of exists. He can't control everyone's life like a totalitarian dicatorship, and the logistics of it all are such that even if he's really, really evil, he still has to delegate governing the Empire to people who do that sort of thing.

In fact, you might say that at the end of ROTJ, the dictatorship is brought down, thus spelling victory for the rebellion. But when you think about it, the IMperial Senate was only disbanded by Darth Vader, presumably after the Evil Empire has been running things for some time. I think the breakdown of chain of command caused by the conversion TO dictatorship, contributed to the collapse of the empire. Suddenly, the job of governing everything WAS to be a dictatorship placed in one pair of hands. And of course, those hands were busy electrocuting Mark Hamil instead of attempting the impossible job of governing twenty million planets at once. So the empire collapsed only when it truly became a dictatorship, because it was impossible to exist as a dictatorship.

So prior to that it was fascist, yes, but only a dictatorship in name.

I'm a genius.

Yeah, that kind of sums it all up. But for those who still side with the Rebels, think of it like this: They're terrorists, so are the Taliban. The Empire is what America will be if we keep descending into economic ruin (this over a span of many years and if nothing changes, mind you) also with superior weapons. In all respects, the Rebels should have been crushed, had it not been for the arrogance of the Empire's brass. Overconfidence can be a deadly weapon.

It had a deathstar. That's reason enough to oppose it.

With the Empire/America thing, I mean the President, if whoever it is is greedy enough, will use that time of strife, just like Palpatine did, to gain "emergency powers" and "forget" to relinquish them once the hard times are over.

I'll admit the Deathstar was overkill, but what would you expect, the Emperor had all the wrong priorities and too much time on his hands.

The deathstar was overkill because ridiculous numbers of multi-mile-long uberwarships patrolling the galaxy at millions of times the speed of light wasn't enough, not because it was a deathstar.

Sidious' Death Star (well, technically Raith Sainar's, but I digress) was built for intimidation. Why do people try to build uber-ships in NationStates? They're not practicle....they're for intimidation, soley that...(and to stroke their egos, I guess...) And it was Sidious who dissolved the Galactic Senate, not his apprentice.....

*This has been a post by the residential Star Wars uber-loser...*

Me!

I am not certain which movies you saw, but they don't resemble the ones I saw. In the orignal all we really saw of life under the Empire was Luke's family farm and Mos Eisley, and while the folks in wretched hive of scum and villeny seemed to being doing OK under the Empire - i.e. Han Solo was going to be killed for not having enough money but he wasn;t reduced to begging, the folks on the farm weren't in such good shape ahving to worry about the increasingly bolder sand people attacks (which also raises questions about the effectiveness of Imperial order, why were sand people attacks getting worse?). In the next movie we got to see another hive of scum and villiany at the Cloud City, whose smuglers were doing great business under the Empire, once again raising questions of the amount of order the Empire was providing if they could surpress some smuglers, but alas we didn't get to see how the average sentinent on the street was living under the Empire.

In the last movie before the Empire's end we get a chance to actually see life for regular sentinents under the Empire. Once again we see proof that the order of the Empire is a joke and criminals are living large in the Empire at Jubba's place, where he openly flouts the law and plays gladitorial games with slaves. Enough with the criminals doing well, how about the average Sentinent in the street you insist? Well we get to see the home life of the Ewoks, a peope who are only affected by the Empire by the occasional Storm Trooper hunting party.

SO what little can we say about life in the Empire as shown in the films? Criminals did well and lived luxurious lives, barbarian attacks were increasing and some sentinents were being hunted. I think we can safely conclude that order was not a signifcant part of the Imperial program and law enforcement was apparently non-existant. But that people were well off, the only non-Ewok civilians we saw were Luke's family, who were reduced to buying used droids off of the Jawa.

The viewpoint the audience has is pretty limited in the original trilogy. Except for the brief flash of Coruscant in the Return of the Jedi Special Edition, every single planet we see is on the Outer Rim. It would be like describing 19th Century USA from only looking at settlements on the west coast.

People don't revolt because things are going well.


As a side note: Anyone see the Newsradio episode that was 'in the future, and in space' that had the brief news blurb about the Death Star being destroyed in a terrorist attack? It was pretty funny.