Yes penguins
29-07-2004, 20:10
Seems that many people are talking about "sin", "morality", ect...
Perhaps we should clarify a few things here...(i didnt post all of the definitions. thats why i linked. i just posted common/relevant ones)...
SIN
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=sin
1. Transgression of the law of God; disobedience of the
divine command; any violation of God's will, either in
purpose or conduct; moral deficiency in the character;
iniquity; as, sins of omission and sins of commission.
...
{sins} (R. C. Ch.), willful and deliberate transgressions,
which take away divine grace; -- in distinction from
vental sins. The seven deadly sins are pride,
covetousness, lust, wrath, gluttony, envy, and sloth.
...
1. To depart voluntarily from the path of duty prescribed by
God to man; to violate the divine law in any particular,
by actual transgression or by the neglect or nonobservance
of its injunctions; to violate any known rule of duty; --
often followed by against.
...
2. To violate human rights, law, or propriety; to commit an
offense; to trespass; to transgress.
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Now, while most of these definitions (i didnt post all of them. thats why i linked. i just posted common/relevant ones) deal with "divine laws" and such, there are other definitions that are non-religious. understandable..
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MORAL
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=moral
2. Conformed to accepted rules of right; acting in conformity
with such rules; virtuous; just; as, a moral man. Used
sometimes in distinction from religious; as, a moral
rather than a religious life.
...
[adj] concerned with principles of right and wrong or conforming to standards of behavior and character based on those principles; "moral sense"; "a moral scrutiny"; "a moral lesson"; "a moral quandary"; "moral convictions"; "a moral life"
...
[adj] adhering to ethical and moral principles; "it seems ethical and right"; "followed the only honorable course of action"; "had the moral courage to stand alone"
[adj] arising from the sense of right and wrong; "a moral obligation"
[adj] relating to principles of right and wrong; i.e. to morals or ethics; "moral philosophy"
...
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seems to be nothing but predefind standards of "right and wrong". but what IS "right?"
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RIGHT
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=right
3. Conformed to the constitution of man and the will of God,
or to justice and equity; not deviating from the true and
just; according with truth and duty; just; true.
...
6. According with truth; passing a true judgment; conforming
to fact or intent; not mistaken or wrong; not erroneous;
correct; as, this is the right faith.
...
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This all seems quite subjective. Now, what of "natural"? Ill bet thats subjective too.
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NATURAL
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=natural
1. Fixed or determined by nature; pertaining to the
constitution of a thing; belonging to native character;
according to nature; essential; characteristic; not
artifical, foreign, assumed, put on, or acquired; as, the
natural growth of animals or plants; the natural motion of
a gravitating body; natural strength or disposition; the
natural heat of the body; natural color.
...
2. Conformed to the order, laws, or actual facts, of nature;
consonant to the methods of nature; according to the
stated course of things, or in accordance with the laws
which govern events, feelings, etc.; not exceptional or
violent; legitimate; normal; regular; as, the natural
consequence of crime; a natural death.
...
5. Having the character or sentiments properly belonging to
one's position; not unnatural in feelings.
...
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/me points to def. 5
Looks like a feeling is natural. *BUZZ* on gay argument
/me points to 1 now
*BUZZ* on nudity is not natural
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Now, for issues we've discussed
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HOMOSEXUAL
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=homosexual
WordNet Dictionary
Definition:
[n] someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex
[adj] sexually attracted to members of your own sex
Synonyms: butch, gay, gay, homo, homoerotic, homophile(a), lesbian, paederastic, pederastic, queer, sapphic, transsexual(a), transvestic, transvestite(a), tribadistic
Antonyms: bisexual, heterosexual
See Also: gay man, gay woman, human, individual, lesbian, mortal, person, shirtlifter, somebody, someone, soul
Medical Dictionary
Definition: A person who is sexually attracted to persons of the same sex.
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Wow. not much here, eh? "Gay" then.
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GAY
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=gay
[adj] homosexual or arousing homosexual desires (WorldNet)
...
Webster's 1913 Dictionary
Definition:
\Gay\, a. [Compar. {Gayer}; superl. {Gayest}.] [F. gai,
perhaps fr. OHG. g?hi swift, rapid, G. g["a]h, j["a]h, steep,
hasty; or cf. OHG. w?hi beatiful, good. Cf. {Jay}.]
1. Excited with merriment; manifesting sportiveness or
delight; inspiring delight; livery; merry.
Belinda smiled, and all the world was gay. --Pope.
Gay hope is theirs by fancy fed. --Gray.
2. Brilliant in colors; splendid; fine; richly dressed.
Why is my neighbor's wife so gay? --Chaucer.
A bevy of fair women, richly gay In gems and wanton
dress! --Milton.
3. Loose; dissipated; lewd. [Colloq.]
Syn: Merry; gleeful; blithe; airy; lively; sprightly,
sportive; light-hearted; frolicsome; jolly; jovial;
joyous; joyful; glad; showy; splendid; vivacious.
\Gay\, n.
An ornament [Obs.] --L'Estrange.
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Looks like the way its used today isnt the same as earlier in the 20th century. Note the gay=happy. Coincidence?
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MARRIAGE
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=marriage
1. The act of marrying, or the state of being married; legal
union of a man and a woman for life, as husband and wife;
wedlock; matrimony.
...
4. Any intimate or close union.
...
Usage: {Marriage}, {Matrimony}, {Wedlock}. Marriage is
properly the act which unites the two parties, and
matrimony the state into which they enter. Marriage
is, however, often used for the state as well as the
act. Wedlock is the old Anglo-Saxon term for
matrimony.
...
[n] the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony; "their marriage was conducted in the chapel"
[n] two people who are married to each other; "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love"
[n] state of being husband and wife; "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union"
[n] a close and intimate union; "the marriage of music and dance"; "a marriage of ideas"
---
on the page there are about 3 refrences to "husband and wife"
Lets examine the technicality of the terms...
(note that not every example limited it to husband and wife!)
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HUSBAND
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=husband
1. The male head of a household; one who orders the economy
of a family. [Obs.]
...
3. One who manages or directs with prudence and economy; a
frugal person; an economist. [R.]
...
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Ok, it seems husband=man=economist?
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WIFE
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=wife
[n] a married woman; a man's partner in marriage
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Not much here, so i went with the simple WorldNet definition.
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CONCLUSION
While most dictionaries suck, hyperdictionary 0wnz j00.
er.....
If you read all that.. wow...
Anyway. What I was trying to prove was that morals are subjective, dictionary definitions differ, and most of it depends on religion.
Perhaps we should clarify a few things here...(i didnt post all of the definitions. thats why i linked. i just posted common/relevant ones)...
SIN
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=sin
1. Transgression of the law of God; disobedience of the
divine command; any violation of God's will, either in
purpose or conduct; moral deficiency in the character;
iniquity; as, sins of omission and sins of commission.
...
{sins} (R. C. Ch.), willful and deliberate transgressions,
which take away divine grace; -- in distinction from
vental sins. The seven deadly sins are pride,
covetousness, lust, wrath, gluttony, envy, and sloth.
...
1. To depart voluntarily from the path of duty prescribed by
God to man; to violate the divine law in any particular,
by actual transgression or by the neglect or nonobservance
of its injunctions; to violate any known rule of duty; --
often followed by against.
...
2. To violate human rights, law, or propriety; to commit an
offense; to trespass; to transgress.
---
Now, while most of these definitions (i didnt post all of them. thats why i linked. i just posted common/relevant ones) deal with "divine laws" and such, there are other definitions that are non-religious. understandable..
---
MORAL
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=moral
2. Conformed to accepted rules of right; acting in conformity
with such rules; virtuous; just; as, a moral man. Used
sometimes in distinction from religious; as, a moral
rather than a religious life.
...
[adj] concerned with principles of right and wrong or conforming to standards of behavior and character based on those principles; "moral sense"; "a moral scrutiny"; "a moral lesson"; "a moral quandary"; "moral convictions"; "a moral life"
...
[adj] adhering to ethical and moral principles; "it seems ethical and right"; "followed the only honorable course of action"; "had the moral courage to stand alone"
[adj] arising from the sense of right and wrong; "a moral obligation"
[adj] relating to principles of right and wrong; i.e. to morals or ethics; "moral philosophy"
...
---
seems to be nothing but predefind standards of "right and wrong". but what IS "right?"
---
RIGHT
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=right
3. Conformed to the constitution of man and the will of God,
or to justice and equity; not deviating from the true and
just; according with truth and duty; just; true.
...
6. According with truth; passing a true judgment; conforming
to fact or intent; not mistaken or wrong; not erroneous;
correct; as, this is the right faith.
...
---
This all seems quite subjective. Now, what of "natural"? Ill bet thats subjective too.
---
NATURAL
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=natural
1. Fixed or determined by nature; pertaining to the
constitution of a thing; belonging to native character;
according to nature; essential; characteristic; not
artifical, foreign, assumed, put on, or acquired; as, the
natural growth of animals or plants; the natural motion of
a gravitating body; natural strength or disposition; the
natural heat of the body; natural color.
...
2. Conformed to the order, laws, or actual facts, of nature;
consonant to the methods of nature; according to the
stated course of things, or in accordance with the laws
which govern events, feelings, etc.; not exceptional or
violent; legitimate; normal; regular; as, the natural
consequence of crime; a natural death.
...
5. Having the character or sentiments properly belonging to
one's position; not unnatural in feelings.
...
---
/me points to def. 5
Looks like a feeling is natural. *BUZZ* on gay argument
/me points to 1 now
*BUZZ* on nudity is not natural
---
Now, for issues we've discussed
---
HOMOSEXUAL
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=homosexual
WordNet Dictionary
Definition:
[n] someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex
[adj] sexually attracted to members of your own sex
Synonyms: butch, gay, gay, homo, homoerotic, homophile(a), lesbian, paederastic, pederastic, queer, sapphic, transsexual(a), transvestic, transvestite(a), tribadistic
Antonyms: bisexual, heterosexual
See Also: gay man, gay woman, human, individual, lesbian, mortal, person, shirtlifter, somebody, someone, soul
Medical Dictionary
Definition: A person who is sexually attracted to persons of the same sex.
---
Wow. not much here, eh? "Gay" then.
---
GAY
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=gay
[adj] homosexual or arousing homosexual desires (WorldNet)
...
Webster's 1913 Dictionary
Definition:
\Gay\, a. [Compar. {Gayer}; superl. {Gayest}.] [F. gai,
perhaps fr. OHG. g?hi swift, rapid, G. g["a]h, j["a]h, steep,
hasty; or cf. OHG. w?hi beatiful, good. Cf. {Jay}.]
1. Excited with merriment; manifesting sportiveness or
delight; inspiring delight; livery; merry.
Belinda smiled, and all the world was gay. --Pope.
Gay hope is theirs by fancy fed. --Gray.
2. Brilliant in colors; splendid; fine; richly dressed.
Why is my neighbor's wife so gay? --Chaucer.
A bevy of fair women, richly gay In gems and wanton
dress! --Milton.
3. Loose; dissipated; lewd. [Colloq.]
Syn: Merry; gleeful; blithe; airy; lively; sprightly,
sportive; light-hearted; frolicsome; jolly; jovial;
joyous; joyful; glad; showy; splendid; vivacious.
\Gay\, n.
An ornament [Obs.] --L'Estrange.
---
Looks like the way its used today isnt the same as earlier in the 20th century. Note the gay=happy. Coincidence?
---
MARRIAGE
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=marriage
1. The act of marrying, or the state of being married; legal
union of a man and a woman for life, as husband and wife;
wedlock; matrimony.
...
4. Any intimate or close union.
...
Usage: {Marriage}, {Matrimony}, {Wedlock}. Marriage is
properly the act which unites the two parties, and
matrimony the state into which they enter. Marriage
is, however, often used for the state as well as the
act. Wedlock is the old Anglo-Saxon term for
matrimony.
...
[n] the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony; "their marriage was conducted in the chapel"
[n] two people who are married to each other; "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love"
[n] state of being husband and wife; "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union"
[n] a close and intimate union; "the marriage of music and dance"; "a marriage of ideas"
---
on the page there are about 3 refrences to "husband and wife"
Lets examine the technicality of the terms...
(note that not every example limited it to husband and wife!)
---
HUSBAND
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=husband
1. The male head of a household; one who orders the economy
of a family. [Obs.]
...
3. One who manages or directs with prudence and economy; a
frugal person; an economist. [R.]
...
---
Ok, it seems husband=man=economist?
---
WIFE
http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=wife
[n] a married woman; a man's partner in marriage
---
Not much here, so i went with the simple WorldNet definition.
---
CONCLUSION
While most dictionaries suck, hyperdictionary 0wnz j00.
er.....
If you read all that.. wow...
Anyway. What I was trying to prove was that morals are subjective, dictionary definitions differ, and most of it depends on religion.