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There is another thread talking about it. But the title is misleading:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=344029

Is fox banned in Canada?

A very fast scan of google only seems to show conservatives complaining about liberals and vise-versa.

Is it banned and what reason?

*Taps Step, Zepp, and Canuk*

Umm, last time I heard we were in negotiations with Fox to bring it to cable here. I don't believe it's banned. I know that our cable company has said they were trying to get it but they were caught up in negotiations with Fox. I haven't heard any thing since.

Thank you.

That makes more sense then the dribble that was on the Net.

"They allow Al-J and CNN but not FOX......" :rolleyes:

Thank you.

That makes more sense then the dribble that was on the Net.

"They allow Al-J and CNN but not FOX......" :rolleyes:

Yeah, in Canada we have what is known as "can-con" which means that on any station American or otherwise there has to be a certain amount of Canadian content on the station. Most of the time they get around this by running Canadian commericals instead of trying to ask a station to run Canadian programming which would be obviously too much to ask. So, it could be a case that Fox is not liking that. I'm not sure what the hold up is, could just even be about money for all I know.

I've heard Fox IS banned. I think its funny they are going to allow Al Jizera to air but not Fox.

I've heard Fox IS banned. I think its funny they are going to allow Al Jizera to air but not Fox.

Yeah, guess you heard wrong. Given I'm a Canadian and it's been advertised in our cable guide that they are trying to bring Fox to us, from what I can tell it appears the hold up is on Fox's side. However, as I said.. I don't know what the hold up is for sure. But Fox is not banned.

A free country like Canada shouldn't ban Fox...their Trading Standards should get them for that stupid slogan though :D

Yeah, guess you heard wrong. Given I'm a Canadian and it's been advertised in our cable guide that they are trying to bring Fox to us, from what I can tell it appears the hold up is on Fox's side. However, as I said.. I don't know what the hold up is for sure. But Fox is not banned.

Actually I heard too! But anyway, I do hope that Canada Gets Fox News. Might open up some peoples eyes! IMHO! LOL!

If anything, it'll put them in competition with CNN and Al-Jazerra! Be interesting to watch the ratings.

Fox is not banned! (http://www.ccta.ca/english/news-information/news-releases/2004/04-15.htm)

I don't really know if it is or not because I don't have cable or satellite and I live in Southern Ontario and so I get all of the channels from Buffalo and Erie etc.

I would doubt very much that Canada banned Fox though, because we are waaaay less censored up here than down south. I notice it a lot in comapring Canadian and American TV and radio (since I watch/listen to both). All of our programming is much more free and also movies are rated much easier here.

The only thing we have is Can-Con, as previously stated. I believe it is a good thing, even though some people (and I understand why) say if they want american content that's their decision. I just like the idea of not becoming the 51st state.

We have Fox on East Link Digital cable (although not really a digital channel itself but we have basic with it) and we've had it on regular cable for as long as I can remember.

I'm Canadian by the way and when I was really young I thought this was the United States. Boy was I embarressed when I found out that our money was not green, our flag was red and white with a maple leaf, LA and NY were not anywhere near me...Not that I'm blaming Fox or other US programming; just amusing. Ofcourse I know better now. (Not embarressed because I didin't like Canadian things- I love Canandian style- just that I was that stupid lol- and it's not like my parents helped clear things up for me at all)

It's strange we have that law seeing as Canada is "multi-cultural" so everything is technecally Canadian. There are tons of foreign specialty networks too. We have citizens from the US so it makes sense to have their programming, as well as others, on our cable.

Well somebody needs to tell Fox host Bill O'Reilly about Canada allowing it, then.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/oreilly071904.asp

"The Fox News Channel, for example, isn't even allowed in Canada."

hehehe who cares if its there or not. Everyone in Canada will just say its all lies anyway.

Fox is not banned! (http://www.ccta.ca/english/news-information/news-releases/2004/04-15.htm)

Ok, I've done some reading.. it appears the problem is indeed the Canadian content law. Fox was approved provided they ran in Canada in accordance with the Canadian content law. It appears Fox was not willing to do this. CNN, MSNBC and CNBC all agreed to the Canadian content laws. So, it's not banned, they were turned down because of Fox's refusal to abide by Canadian law. Where as the other networks all agreed to it. I suppose if Fox agrees to it in the future, they will be allowed to air in Canada. The Canadian content law is a very old one. So, it was nothing against Fox.. I guess they just didn't want to abide by this law.

Well somebody needs to tell Fox host Bill O'Reilly about Canada allowing it, then.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/oreilly071904.asp

"The Fox News Channel, for example, isn't even allowed in Canada."

Does not anyone know of Eastlink and other cable companies in Nova Scotia having FOX? I know of two- Eastlink and I can't think of the other. We've had both. Are they breaking the law or something?

Does not anyone know of Eastlink and other cable companies in Nova Scotia having FOX? I know of two- Eastlink and I can't think of the other. We've had both. Are they breaking the law or something?

Well, I would assume they are then. The CRTC is a federal body that regulates same as the FCC in the states. So if the CRTC turned them down, it would be illegal to carry it in Canada.

Well, I would assume they are then. The CRTC is a federal body that regulates same as the FCC in the states. So if the CRTC turned them down, it would be illegal to carry it in Canada.

Wow steph, I agree there! LOL!! But I'm glad someone in Canada gets Fox News!

I guess I'll email Bill O'Reilly concerning this!

Wow steph, I agree there! LOL!! But I'm glad someone in Canada gets Fox News!

I guess I'll email Bill O'Reilly concerning this!

Well, what I don't understand is this, if all the other networks such as CNN etc.. all are agreeing to abide by the Canadian content law, why isn't Fox? That's the question I'd ask him. If they want Fox in Canada that's all they have to agree to.. that was the only reason the CRTC turned them down.

Gosh - Companies get regulated as to content in Canada? And we don't allow channels that refuse to comply to broadcast here?

How DARE we?

It's not like the Amercans would do anything like that would they?

The FCC has no content rules in the US does it? I mean - any Arab extremist news network like Al Jazeera could just start broadcasting without approval?



Oh wait..............

nevermind.


:rolleyes:

If Fox won't abide by our content rules - it will not be allowed to broadcast here. Simple as that.

Fox news was denied last time they tried applied for the right to be viewed in Canada by the CRTC (our FCC). I'm not sure why, but there's rules that they didn't comply to. There is another round of discussion going on between the CRTC, Fox News and the Satelite companies.

The Fox advocate say it's banned, I disagree. The CRTC didn't say "no, never!" and it was never allowed to begin with so banned is too strong a word. But, yes, we don't have access to it.

Al-Jazeera has only be allowed this week with extreme constraints as to their programming. Basically, as soon as it diffuse violence like decapitation tape, it has to be pre-empted. Time will tell if this happen.

Also, Fox News is not the only news network to be refused by the CRTC. The Italian network RAI was denied this week because some of his content conflicted with some canadian show and the CRTC rules state that canadian programming is to be given priority.

Gosh - Companies get regulated as to content in Canada? And we don't allow channels that refuse to comply to broadcast here?

How DARE we?

It's not like the Amercans would do anything like that would they?

The FCC has no content rules in the US does it? I mean - any Arab extremist news network like Al Jazeera could just start broadcasting without approval?



Oh wait..............

nevermind.


:rolleyes:

If Fox won't abide by our content rules - it will not be allowed to broadcast here. Simple as that.

If you have a satelite dish, you can get Al-Jazerra TV! Might have to pay extra for it, but you could get Al-Jazzerra!

Well, it seems I was too slow in my typing there.

I don't really know if it is or not because I don't have cable or satellite and I live in Southern Ontario and so I get all of the channels from Buffalo and Erie etc.

I would doubt very much that Canada banned Fox though, because we are waaaay less censored up here than down south. I notice it a lot in comapring Canadian and American TV and radio (since I watch/listen to both). All of our programming is much more free and also movies are rated much easier here.

The only thing we have is Can-Con, as previously stated. I believe it is a good thing, even though some people (and I understand why) say if they want american content that's their decision. I just like the idea of not becoming the 51st state.

Waaaaay less censored...have you seen Trailor Park Boys? Makes Chris Rock look like a sunday school teacher. Canadian tv allows more swearing, and more nudity...which is why I don't even bother getting cable (or satellite)...and just watch taped catoons with my kids:). I never thought I'd be okay with censorship...:). Well, as long as it's ME doing it, and not the gov't.

If you have a satelite dish, you can get Al-Jazerra TV! Might have to pay extra for it, but you could get Al-Jazzerra!

We have cable Formal, I haven't seen Al-Jazzerra as an option yet. However, they must be willing to abide by the Canadian content law or they wouldn't be allowed either. There is no bias going on here. It's a simple fact of abiding by Canadian law.. if you are willing you can broadcast, if you're not, you won't be able to. So, since we get all these channels from the states, I can't think of any or many we don't get are all willing to do it.. then it would appear to me that Fox is being a problem not the CRTC.

If you have a satelite dish, you can get Al-Jazerra TV! Might have to pay extra for it, but you could get Al-Jazzerra!

...and fox...and all spanish/chinese/etcetc-language programming....so I don't see what the prob is...if you want FOX so bad, and if they're not willing to abide by our laws, then get the satellite!

Some may be misunderstanding what the Canadian content law is.. it's not the actual content.. it's that a % of air time must be Canadian as in made in Canada. CNN gets around it by airing Canadian commericals.. but only in Canada. Which means, people in the states still see the same commericals they always have, but we in Canada see Canadian commericals. No one is asking any one to change their programming. Same as MSNBC does the same thing and also on week ends it's almost all Canadian programming, that only Canadians see, it doesn't change what the Americans see on the network. It's not about what they are saying, it's simply about adding a certain % of Canadian "content" just to clarify.

We have cable Formal, I haven't seen Al-Jazzerra as an option yet. However, they must be willing to abide by the Canadian content law or they wouldn't be allowed either. There is no bias going on here. It's a simple fact of abiding by Canadian law.. if you are willing you can broadcast, if you're not, you won't be able to. So, since we get all these channels from the states, I can't think of any or many we don't get are all willing to do it.. then it would appear to me that Fox is being a problem not the CRTC.

I said SATELITE not CABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have a Satelite Dish you could get Al-Jazerra! Jeez Steph, read my post!

If you have a satelite dish, you can get Al-Jazerra TV! Might have to pay extra for it, but you could get Al-Jazzerra!

Here in Montreal the only way to get Fox News is by illegal satellite hookup. Both of our legal satelite dish network don't broadcast it.

I said SATELITE not CABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have a Satelite Dish you could get Al-Jazerra! Jeez Steph, read my post!

In Canada Formal cable is the same as satelite, perhaps you didn't know that, so I won't harp on you about it. Every thing that is available on satelite is the same that is on cable in Canada. It's the same thing. The only difference is cable tends to be a more reliable service as in no lost signals etc.. Although some people do have illegal satelite dishes which might be different. But all legal ones offer the exact same programming.

I know you didn't know that and I know it's probably different in the states. So, no biggy.

"On 24 November 2000, the Commission approved a Category 2 specialty television service to be known as Fox News Canada. The terms and conditions generally applicable to Category 2 services are set out in the public notice accompanying this and other decisions released today." (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2000/DB2000-565.htm)

Fox News Canada was a partnership of Fox News (USA) and Global TV (Canada). Apparently Fox News has pulled out of this partnership.

"Broadcasting Public Notice CRTC 2004-45 Ottawa, 9 July 2004
Call for comments on proposals for the addition of Fox News and NFL Network to the lists of satellite services eligible for distribution on a digital basis" (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2004/pb2004-45.htm)

In Canada Formal cable is the same as satelite, perhaps you didn't know that, so I won't harp on you about it. Every thing that is available on satelite is the same that is on cable in Canada. It's the same thing. The only difference is cable tends to be a more reliable service as in no lost signals etc.. Although some people do have illegal satelite dishes which might be different. But all legal ones offer the exact same programming.

I know you didn't know that and I know it's probably different in the states. So, no biggy.

Actually Steph, my fellow Canuk...there are certain legal satellite providers with packages you can't get on cable...my in-laws have a special satelite that gets Chilean broadcasts and other Latin American channels...we asked our cable provider, and they said there was no way they'd offer those channels. So I'm pretty sure there is a difference...and believe me...there isn't ANY Canadian content in this service!

The FCC has no content rules in the US does it? I mean - any Arab extremist news network like Al Jazeera could just start broadcasting without approval?


I doubt this is what many of you will want to hear, but Al-Jazeera is not an extremist news source. It has a remarkably liberal agenda, and has been banned in many Arab countries for telling the truth about corruption and incompetence in those countries governments. It has managed to get on the wrong side of pretty much every government in the region - in fact if you recall the Iraqi Information Minister (bless his heart) accused the station of promulgating propaganda on behalf of the Americans. It's news I have to say is far less biased and more balanced that that of Fox, and yes I have watched both.

On that note you may or may not be aware that a group have Fox employees are doing an expose on the editorial bias in fox news and are revealing to what extent it is merely the propaganda arm of the Republican party. As I have said, Al-Jazeera is far more independent, and indeed go to great lengths to rile the governments in their region.

Incidentaly, Al-Jazeera's journalists are mostly ex-BBC, which makes them far more competent than anybody working for Fox, CNN or ABC could ever hope to be ;-)

Actually Steph, my fellow Canuk...there are certain legal satellite providers with packages you can't get on cable...my in-laws have a special satelite that gets Chilean broadcasts and other Latin American channels...we asked our cable provider, and they said there was no way they'd offer those channels. So I'm pretty sure there is a difference...and believe me...there isn't ANY Canadian content in this service!

Well, then it's illegal.. they must have Canadian made commericals or some thing. The fact is basically any thing you can get on a satelite you can get on cable , at least where I live..

Well, then it's illegal.. they must have Canadian made commericals or some thing. The fact is basically any thing you can get on a satelite you can get on cable , at least where I live..

yikes, you're right.... http://www.dsscanada.ca/legal.shtml ... shoot, we weren't aware that this wasn't legal....I'm going into hiding now, bye!

I doubt this is what many of you will want to hear, but Al-Jazeera is not an extremist news source. It has a remarkably liberal agenda, and has been banned in many Arab countries for telling the truth about corruption and incompetence in those countries governments. It has managed to get on the wrong side of pretty much every government in the region - in fact if you recall the Iraqi Information Minister (bless his heart) accused the station of promulgating propaganda on behalf of the Americans. It's news I have to say is far less biased and more balanced that that of Fox, and yes I have watched both.

On that note you may or may not be aware that a group have Fox employees are doing an expose on the editorial bias in fox news and are revealing to what extent it is merely the propaganda arm of the Republican party. As I have said, Al-Jazeera is far more independent, and indeed go to great lengths to rile the governments in their region.

Incidentaly, Al-Jazeera's journalists are mostly ex-BBC, which makes them far more competent than anybody working for Fox, CNN or ABC could ever hope to be ;-)

#1 What makes the BBC better than CNN? Because tis British? BBC World is a good tv channel, no doubt, but CNN has excelent Programming.

If you want a TRUTHFUL arab tv channel theres Al-Arabiya. Unlike, Al-Jazeera, it doesnt blast Anti-American Propaganda, and it doesnt show tapes of people being Decapitated. Al-Arabiya is truthful, it doesnt ally wih ANY nation, and it shows the good AND bad sides of america.

Fox News did a report quite some time ago about the fact that Fox News is banned in Canda. It was only temporary. Since then Fox News has been somewhat reluctant to return to Canada, however they have plans to do so fully.

yikes, you're right.... http://www.dsscanada.ca/legal.shtml ... shoot, we weren't aware that this wasn't legal....I'm going into hiding now, bye!

LOL.. haha, don't worry, I won't tell any one ;)

Crikey, who the hell wants to see right-wing, hate-mongering garbage like Focks Ooze anyway? I hope it's never carried in Canada.

Fox broadcasting values are un-Canadian, and I know most of us are way too smart to take them seriously as an information source. Fox is good only as a source of sick comedy.

Fox News did a report quite some time ago about the fact that Fox News is banned in Canda. It was only temporary. Since then Fox News has been somewhat reluctant to return to Canada, however they have plans to do so fully.

Ok, this is misleading.. Fox news it not banned. They simply don't wish to follow Canadian law. If they wish to follow Canadian law they would be more then welcomed to broadcast here. There is a difference. Banned implies that Canada has said they can't broadcast here because of what they do and or say, that is not the case. Fox doesn't want to follow Canadian law in Canada.. that doesn't equal banned.

Actually Steph, my fellow Canuk...there are certain legal satellite providers with packages you can't get on cable...my in-laws have a special satelite that gets Chilean broadcasts and other Latin American channels...we asked our cable provider, and they said there was no way they'd offer those channels. So I'm pretty sure there is a difference...and believe me...there isn't ANY Canadian content in this service!

A channel is either allowed to be broadcast in Canada or not. If it is allowed to be broadcast it is up to each cable or satellite company to decide if it wants to add that channel to its line-up. Your cable company has chosen to not add the channel.

Waaaaay less censored...have you seen Trailor Park Boys? Makes Chris Rock look like a sunday school teacher. Canadian tv allows more swearing, and more nudity...which is why I don't even bother getting cable (or satellite)...and just watch taped catoons with my kids:). I never thought I'd be okay with censorship...:). Well, as long as it's ME doing it, and not the gov't.

Yea and since Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" the FCC has become even stricter. I'm just glad I'm Canadian. IT WAS JUST A BOOB!

Fox News did a report quite some time ago about the fact that Fox News is banned in Canda. It was only temporary. Since then Fox News has been somewhat reluctant to return to Canada, however they have plans to do so fully.

"On 24 November 2000, the Commission approved a Category 2 specialty television service to be known as Fox News Canada. The terms and conditions generally applicable to Category 2 services are set out in the public notice accompanying this and other decisions released today." (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2000/DB2000-565.htm)

Fox News Canada was a partnership of Fox News (USA) and Global TV (Canada). Apparently Fox News has pulled out of this partnership.

"Broadcasting Public Notice CRTC 2004-45 Ottawa, 9 July 2004
Call for comments on proposals for the addition of Fox News and NFL Network to the lists of satellite services eligible for distribution on a digital basis" (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2004/pb2004-45.htm)

Notes and clarifications about channels other than Fox and Canadian Content laws.

Al Jazeera is legally availible in Canada despite not meeting the CanCon rules. Like many stations it has an exemption from the CanCon rules due the simple fact that they are the only Arab Language propaganda/news channel interseted in the Canadian market. The reasoning is it is better to ignore CanCon than keep viewers from getting their Arab Language news/ppropaganda. Exemptions to CanCon are allowed for cases like this, the Golf Channel for instance is also exempt from CanCon.

CNN gets arround CanCon by having been availible in Canda before CanCon came into existance, not through commericals. Very often Candian commericals replace US commericals in Canada, but that has nothing to with the CanCon laws.

MSNBC gets around CanCon laws by buying Canadian programing and replacing part of their US programing with Canadian programing, did you really think MSNBC in the US shows reruns of CBC's Newsweek and episodes of Multicultural Canada in Studio C are hits for MSNBC in Mississippi? Admittedly the best slots are for the same shows, those 3AM shows are different on either side of the border.

A free country like Canada shouldn't ban Fox...:D
about Radio or TV Broadcasting....Canada is not a free country...

I said SATELITE not CABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have a Satelite Dish you could get Al-Jazerra! Jeez Steph, read my post!

Every sentence of every post ends in exclamation points. Even the signature. Annnnyways..

My guess as to why Al-Jazerra would be allowed to broadcast in Canada and not FOX would most likely be due to the fact that Al-Jazerra is a foreign language channel. But that being all said and done. Here's something for thought:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040421/DOYLE21


And if Fox ever became a Canadian channel as well...we Canadians wouldn't have anything to laugh at anymore. lol.

CNN gets arround CanCon by having been availible in Canda before CanCon came into existance

Uh, no offence, but CanCon laws have been in effect since before I was alive and I'm 35 years old. I don't think so.

That would be great.

Uh, no offence, but CanCon laws have been in effect since before I was alive and I'm 35 years old. I don't think so.The CanCon rules that prohibit FOXNews from being on cable in Canada date from only 2000. CanCon rules go back to before television. I'm sorry for the confusion, I should have been clearer about what I was refering to.

The CanCon rules that prohibit FOXNews from being on cable in Canada date from only 2000. CanCon rules go back to before television. I'm sorry for the confusion, I should have been clearer about what I was refering to.

Ah okay.. I did not know that. Thanks!

Does it really matter anyway? Fox "news" isn't a real news channel anyway, it's the republican propaganda channel, and since canada doesn't have republicans, what is the use for it there?

My fault, I was only thinking of a small part of CanCon, and not making clear what I was talking about.

CNN & comercials mght be due to CanCon laws, back then everything was on an ad hoc basis and every cable provider has their own CanCon guidelines as part of thier license. The airing of Canadian comercials wouldn't count for new stations under the new CanCon rules.

Does it really matter anyway? Fox "news" isn't a real news channel anyway, it's the republican propaganda channel, and since canada doesn't have republicans, what is the use for it there?



yeah canadians have muslims to watch al jazeera, but without republicans where is the audience for fox? i would generally agree al jazeeera is more of a real news channel than fox.

Does it really matter anyway? Fox "news" isn't a real news channel anyway, it's the republican propaganda channel, and since canada doesn't have republicans, what is the use for it there?

Comedy value :D

Comedy value :D

Eh, it's not very funny though. After I watch it for a while I end up angry or very ill.

yeah canadians have muslims to watch al jazeera, but without republicans where is the audience for fox? i would generally agree al jazeeera is more of a real news channel than fox.

Conservative would watch it as their values are similar. I think it would have a big audience in the west.

I don't really know if it is or not because I don't have cable or satellite and I live in Southern Ontario and so I get all of the channels from Buffalo and Erie etc.

I would doubt very much that Canada banned Fox though, because we are waaaay less censored up here than down south. I notice it a lot in comapring Canadian and American TV and radio (since I watch/listen to both). All of our programming is much more free and also movies are rated much easier here.

The only thing we have is Can-Con, as previously stated. I believe it is a good thing, even though some people (and I understand why) say if they want american content that's their decision. I just like the idea of not becoming the 51st state.

I used to live in Erie and watch Hamilton and London on TV.

I agree with what you say about censorship.

My image of Canadian freedom goes back to my experience with a certain dangerous Canadian beach. A sign posted there said: "The clams on this beach are poisononous. They are infected. If you still want to dig clams, we won't stop you. But if you eat them you will probably become very ill."