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Is premarital sex a sin. I have looked through the bible but cant find any mention of it.

Uh... probably according to the Bible. But not according to me.

Thing is with the bible, you have to really interpret it as you will nowadays. It also says you can't eat shellfish or shave your sideburns, and almost everyone would ignore that. Premarital Sex is a toughie- part of me thinks Christians would still believe in their biblical sexual morals, while the other part of me notes that if you ignore some of the laws, why follow any of them.

Like the above said, it's probably in there somewhere as a sin, but the real choice is if you follow it.

I can't imagine why it would be, so long as both partners are willing. Hell, didn't some of the Old Testament characters have multiple wives?

Yes. The filthy degenerate sinners who indulge in such licentious and despicable behaviour will meet their fate on judgement day, when they shall be washed in steep down gulfs of liquid fire.

Two words puzzle me as to their meaning.
Sin and Premarital

Exactly what do those words mean?

My religion find premarital sex to be a sin. We believe that it is "special" and should be shared with your ethernal partner.

Two words puzzle me as to their meaning.
Sin and Premarital

Exactly what do those words mean?Sin: doing something that is against God. Ex: murder, adultry, theft etc.
Premarital: before marraige.

Personally, I believe premarital sex is wrong. Even if you don't share my religious beliefs, you have to admit that there would be a lot less problems in the world without premarital sex or adultry. There wouldn't be millions of single and/or teenage mothers, and STDs would probably disappear. I support the teaching of abstinence in schools.

Uh... probably according to the Bible. But not according to me.

Seconded.

I think the idea of a sin is rather Christian centered idea, and maybe not even appropriate for this forum. Asking if premarital sex is a sin is asking for a specific Christian debate, which would keep things inside the faith. The real question that we should be asking is 'Is premarital sex a bad thing? Or immoral? Or wrong?' That's what this thread SHOULD be about.

Nothing wrong with it at all!

Nothing wrong with it at all!Why am I not surprised? Oh.

Uh... probably according to the Bible. But not according to me.

Same.

Sin: doing something that is against God. Ex: murder, adultry, theft etc.
Premarital: before marraige.
OK then so what's marriage?

Premarital Sex is not wrong. It shows being and sensuality. Its a different type of love each partner must experience before they decide they want to move on. If things arnt perfect then the relationship wont work. Fights all the time and nothing gets accomplished. It cant be too perfect or all the partners will be doing is haveing sex all day long. But to conclude there is nothing wrong with premarital sex. Let the choice be upon the one who does it.

President Miller
On behalf of Che Moria

Sex existed before the concept of marriage was developed, sex existed before the concept of sin and sex existed before the concept of god and sex existed before the concept of church. That a bunch of people in big hats decided that their idea of god (a being who only ever spoke two words "I am") decided that marriage was this that or the other is a load of bull. That these same people who used the stories of christ to sell the church to people is ludicrous. Christ was opposed to organized religion and yet we are expected to believe that at some point he said that when he is gone that the church will be his living embodiment and that one should obey the church as they obey him is crap. To summarize sex existed before the idea of marriage so if premarital sex is a sin then hell is full of a whole heck of a lot of people who's only crime was being born before some scum could institutionalize procreation.

Hey Mendar, don't hold back, tell us what you really think.

Sin: doing something that is against God. Ex: murder, adultry, theft etc.
Premarital: before marraige
OK then so what's marriage?
*does some research*

Oh, you mean the certified allocated mating source ceremony with added legal bonuses. Sorry, but I don’t believe in such nonsense.

Sex existed before the concept of marriage was developed, sex existed before the concept of sin and sex existed before the concept of god and sex existed before the concept of church. That a bunch of people in big hats decided that their idea of god (a being who only ever spoke two words "I am") decided that marriage was this that or the other is a load of bull. That these same people who used the stories of christ to sell the church to people is ludicrous. Christ was opposed to organized religion and yet we are expected to believe that at some point he said that when he is gone that the church will be his living embodiment and that one should obey the church as they obey him is crap. To summarize sex existed before the idea of marriage so if premarital sex is a sin then hell is full of a whole heck of a lot of people who's only crime was being born before some scum could institutionalize procreation.

Nobody before Christ can get into heaven. Good pagans can get as far as purgatory but no farther. Today those who reject Christ probably go to hell, if they're lucky they might make it to purgatory.

First and foremost, there is no debate as to whether premarital sex is a sin. What qualify as sins and what don't are set out in various religions and they are not open for debate. If you are Catholic (as I am), premarital sex is a sin. The same is true of most major religions. It's a sin to me one way or the other, but if you don't practice a religion that considers it a sin, you could argue that it's not.

I agree completely with Reynes on this issue. Sex plays a large part both directly and indirectly in almost all of the worlds problems. Fact.

Also, Crabcake Baba Ganoush, if you don't have something to contribute other than idiotic questions, don't bother. If you don't understand the words, but a dictionary.

According to most Christians, yes..despite the fact a lot of the Christians I know don't follow that.

Frankly, I don't think it's a sin, if you absolutely love them. I don't believe in casual sex,m'self.

According to most Christians, yes..despite the fact a lot of the Christians I know don't follow that.

Frankly, I don't think it's a sin, if you absolutely love them. I don't believe in casual sex,m'self.
There is a difference betwen casual sex and premarital sex.

Premarital sex can be any form of sex; whereas casual sex is only a form of premarital sex; it can also be a form of extramarital sex.

However, premarital sex in itself isn't a bad thing, especially if the two people want to participate and they are willing.

According to me, no it is not a sin.

But according to the bible, yes it is...

Adultery... The act of sex with anyone you are not married to... hence pre-post-extra-marital... all fall into this :(

Also, Crabcake Baba Ganoush, if you don't have something to contribute other than idiotic questions, don't bother. If you don't understand the words, but a dictionary.
Oh I understand the words. I'm just taking the same approach that some atheists take whenever some people talk about god. In other words those words are meaningless to me. Well I know what they mean, I just refuse to acknowledge them because I think that it's a silly concept.

But remember it is only pre marital sex if it is before you marry someone. If you do not marry the person you are engaging in sex with then it is not premarital sex ;)

But remember it is only pre marital sex if it is before you marry someone. If you do not marry the person you are engaging in sex with then it is not premarital sex ;)
It's just sex.

Bada-bing, bada-boom...

yes, yes it is

You're not harming anyone with it, so I don't see why it may be a sin.

I think it's sickening that in order for two people who truly love each other to become intamite in the deep sence that you demand they pay a robe laden prieest in a massive ornimant ladel temple in order to keep the stained glass shiney and th egold polished, or go to Hell, in the very literal sence.
What kind of redemption do you offer for Love there then? Your way or the highway, no justification. IF your service truly was important to God it would not require the pomposity, the glitz, the strict guidlines, but would be spiritualy based and with it's eyes on the Love not the demanded human construc of a money making, glory seeking {take one look at your churches...} organization.

This demand of no sex before marrige is outdated and crude, from a time where a male hier of true blood decent was essential for a familiys continued growth and passing of land, goods etc.

As for sex for the pleasure of it, one must aquaint oneself with Sin in order to better understand Virtue, locking youself in a church 100 miles from civilization or simply not being able to get a girl isn't proof of your faith or Virture. To have tasted sin, have it constantly at hand, but still reject it is what true Virtue is made of, to make a morally string person, religiouse or not.

You blame the results of decandance for the cause, if you truly wanted to help the world you wouldn't make war on the results of a f@cked up society but look to the root of entire peoples wanting to feel good, now, and forget the consequences. This partly why your creed is dying in more civilized countrys and why other religions are keeping pace and even overtaking you.

The Reformation was your last chance to keep truth the decent morals Christ taught, but your own decadance once again reduced it to a Personalite Cult, outting controlls or re-instating old ones of MAN on other people. You play on fears and draw supporters from the Ignorant, you are truly the Anti-Enlightenment organization, and all but a few dedicated people in your ranks are mindless, unthinking and un-experianced in the World.

Ignorance is Bliss, know Sin to better know Virture, and above all:
KNOW THYSELF

You're not harming anyone with it, so I don't see why it may be a sin.

suicide doesn't harm anyone either but it's still a sin

I think it's sickening that in order for two people who truly love each other to become intamite in the deep sence that you demand they pay a robe laden prieest in a massive ornimant ladel temple in order to keep the stained glass shiney and th egold polished, or go to Hell, in the very literal sence.
What kind of redemption do you offer for Love there then? Your way or the highway, no justification. IF your service truly was important to God it would not require the pomposity, the glitz, the strict guidlines, but would be spiritualy based and with it's eyes on the Love not the demanded human construc of a money making, glory seeking {take one look at your churches...} organization.

This demand of no sex before marrige is outdated and crude, from a time where a male hier of true blood decent was essential for a familiys continued growth and passing of land, goods etc.

As for sex for the pleasure of it, one must aquaint oneself with Sin in order to better understand Virtue, locking youself in a church 100 miles from civilization or simply not being able to get a girl isn't proof of your faith or Virture. To have tasted sin, have it constantly at hand, but still reject it is what true Virtue is made of, to make a morally string person, religiouse or not.

You blame the results of decandance for the cause, if you truly wanted to help the world you wouldn't make war on the results of a f@cked up society but look to the root of entire peoples wanting to feel good, now, and forget the consequences. This partly why your creed is dying in more civilized countrys and why other religions are keeping pace and even overtaking you.

The Reformation was your last chance to keep truth the decent morals Christ taught, but your own decadance once again reduced it to a Personalite Cult, outting controlls or re-instating old ones of MAN on other people. You play on fears and draw supporters from the Ignorant, you are truly the Anti-Enlightenment organization, and all but a few dedicated people in your ranks are mindless, unthinking and un-experianced in the World.

Ignorance is Bliss, know Sin to better know Virture, and above all:
KNOW THYSELF

I have a book for you

its called the bible

As the representative of the sacred bunny rabbit of doom on this world and founder of the rabbitan religion i would like to saw that the rabbit says on this issue (drumroll0 SNIFF
(translation, only if you want it to be)

*for any interested in joining the rabbitans e-mail me @ garrythegibberinggibbon@hotmail.com*

Yes. The filthy degenerate sinners who indulge in such licentious and despicable behaviour will meet their fate on judgement day, when they shall be washed in steep down gulfs of liquid fire.


Sounds like someone's not getting any....

(may have been said before, i didnt read EVERY post)

Sounds like someone's not getting any....

(may have been said before, i didnt read EVERY post)

Maybe Eco is not "getting any" as you say, but I'm pretty sure he was being facetious.

I have a book for you

its called the bible

Read it, several times, and love quoting the faults, contradictions and phrases taken out of context from the New Testiment, read it along with the Qu'oran and some of the Dead Sea SCrolls, hope to start on the Jewish texts at the end of the Summer.

I have a book for you: 'Paul and the invention of Chrisitanity' {dont have authors name off the topof my head}
I have another book for you; 'The Greek Genius and it's meaning to us' - Livingstone , many traces of the purer immediate Christianity can be seen as greek thought before they became corupted, also look more into the old Assirian and Babalonian myths, not mention the Egyption 'one god' phase to check out the roots of your own, nowdays poor, interpritation of the powers that be.

I have something else for you: A Critical Eye.

Instead of making smart ar$e comments, find fault in what i said.




By the Way it was me who posted this:

I think it's sickening that in order for two people who truly love each other to become intamite in the deep sence that you demand they pay a robe laden prieest in a massive ornimant ladel temple in order to keep the stained glass shiney and th egold polished, or go to Hell, in the very literal sence.
What kind of redemption do you offer for Love there then? Your way or the highway, no justification. IF your service truly was important to God it would not require the pomposity, the glitz, the strict guidlines, but would be spiritualy based and with it's eyes on the Love not the demanded human construc of a money making, glory seeking {take one look at your churches...} organization.

This demand of no sex before marrige is outdated and crude, from a time where a male hier of true blood decent was essential for a familiys continued growth and passing of land, goods etc.

As for sex for the pleasure of it, one must aquaint oneself with Sin in order to better understand Virtue, locking youself in a church 100 miles from civilization or simply not being able to get a girl isn't proof of your faith or Virture. To have tasted sin, have it constantly at hand, but still reject it is what true Virtue is made of, to make a morally string person, religiouse or not.

You blame the results of decandance for the cause, if you truly wanted to help the world you wouldn't make war on the results of a f@cked up society but look to the root of entire peoples wanting to feel good, now, and forget the consequences. This partly why your creed is dying in more civilized countrys and why other religions are keeping pace and even overtaking you.

The Reformation was your last chance to keep truth the decent morals Christ taught, but your own decadance once again reduced it to a Personalite Cult, outting controlls or re-instating old ones of MAN on other people. You play on fears and draw supporters from the Ignorant, you are truly the Anti-Enlightenment organization, and all but a few dedicated people in your ranks are mindless, unthinking and un-experianced in the World.

Ignorance is Bliss, know Sin to better know Virture, and above all:
KNOW THYSELF

Read it, several times, and love quoting the faults, contradictions and phrases taken out of context from the New Testiment, read it along with the Qu'oran and some of the Dead Sea SCrolls, hope to start on the Jewish texts at the end of the Summer.

I have a book for you: 'Paul and the invention of Chrisitanity' {dont have authors name off the topof my head}
I have another book for you; 'The Greek Genius and it's meaning to us' - Livingstone , many traces of the purer immediate Christianity can be seen as greek thought before they became corupted, also look more into the old Assirian and Babalonian myths, not mention the Egyption 'one god' phase to check out the roots of your own, nowdays poor, interpritation of the powers that be.

I have something else for you: A Critical Eye.

Instead of making smart ar$e comments, find fault in what i said.




By the Way it was me who posted this:

I think it's sickening that in order for two people who truly love each other to become intamite in the deep sence that you demand they pay a robe laden prieest in a massive ornimant ladel temple in order to keep the stained glass shiney and th egold polished, or go to Hell, in the very literal sence.
What kind of redemption do you offer for Love there then? Your way or the highway, no justification. IF your service truly was important to God it would not require the pomposity, the glitz, the strict guidlines, but would be spiritualy based and with it's eyes on the Love not the demanded human construc of a money making, glory seeking {take one look at your churches...} organization.

This demand of no sex before marrige is outdated and crude, from a time where a male hier of true blood decent was essential for a familiys continued growth and passing of land, goods etc.

As for sex for the pleasure of it, one must aquaint oneself with Sin in order to better understand Virtue, locking youself in a church 100 miles from civilization or simply not being able to get a girl isn't proof of your faith or Virture. To have tasted sin, have it constantly at hand, but still reject it is what true Virtue is made of, to make a morally string person, religiouse or not.

You blame the results of decandance for the cause, if you truly wanted to help the world you wouldn't make war on the results of a f@cked up society but look to the root of entire peoples wanting to feel good, now, and forget the consequences. This partly why your creed is dying in more civilized countrys and why other religions are keeping pace and even overtaking you.

The Reformation was your last chance to keep truth the decent morals Christ taught, but your own decadance once again reduced it to a Personalite Cult, outting controlls or re-instating old ones of MAN on other people. You play on fears and draw supporters from the Ignorant, you are truly the Anti-Enlightenment organization, and all but a few dedicated people in your ranks are mindless, unthinking and un-experianced in the World.

Ignorance is Bliss, know Sin to better know Virture, and above all:
KNOW THYSELF

I'm making smart ass comments?

you come in here with nothing but cynisism and try to take down a whole religion that you have clearly only begin to grasp

you think that after reading a few books you can refute and argument thats been going on for over 2,000 years that even if you devoted your whole life to it you couldn't get half of it

Dammit, the above posts by 'Intel 1' is infact ME:P!


Forgot to sign in with proper nation.

I'm making smart ass comments?

you come in here with nothing but cynisism and try to take down a whole religion that you have clearly only begin to grasp

you think that after reading a few books you can refute and argument thats been going on for over 2,000 years that even if you devoted your whole life to it you couldn't get half of it


Remember, you were the one who tryed to disregard my point by simply telling me to read a book. Dont try to shift position, i jsut responded to your assumption i hadn't.

You think that after reading ONE book you can refute{harness/put to shame} a neccesery intinct of Human, and all, Life that has been going on for 10,000's of years?

And try to control it? for what end?
Look into the genreal history and even if you still disagree with my view, you will see that the main pragmatic reason, was to ensure a male blood line, and to give the HUMAN CONSTRUCT of the church control and influence on the life of families, this hits at the core of the churchs support, and in the original times it was more as show of alliance and faith to your reactionary faith! I agree and like many of the first Christian teachings, by Christ, but the level of bastardization is sickening, the abuse of one good mans life and a few simple messages he espoused to creat such power structures that excist is an ebarressment to anyone with true faith.

Incidently, I'm not a Christian.

you come in here with nothing but cynisism


One more thing, are you implying Cynisim is a bad thing?
What's better? Blind belief?

BUMP, hope the God-Squad are reading this....

Remember, you were the one who tryed to disregard my point by simply telling me to read a book. Dont try to shift position, i jsut responded to your assumption i hadn't.

You think that after reading ONE book you can refute{harness/put to shame} a neccesery intinct of Human, and all, Life that has been going on for 10,000's of years?

And try to control it? for what end?

to bring us closer to God

you speak of the church as if it were a prison

we go there of our own choosing, remember?

we know we give things up to be in its midst but we do it of our own will we are not nearly as blind as you think us

One more thing, are you implying Cynisim is a bad thing?
What's better? Blind belief?

every now and then you've got to look at the good side

whether its a sin or not depends on whether you're religious. if you are, then probably. if you're not religious then it isn't a sin.

Remember, you were the one who tryed to disregard my point by simply telling me to read a book. Dont try to shift position, i jsut responded to your assumption i hadn't.

You think that after reading ONE book you can refute{harness/put to shame} a neccesery intinct of Human, and all, Life that has been going on for 10,000's of years?

And try to control it? for what end?
Look into the genreal history and even if you still disagree with my view, you will see that the main pragmatic reason, was to ensure a male blood line, and to give the HUMAN CONSTRUCT of the church control and influence on the life of families, this hits at the core of the churchs support, and in the original times it was more as show of alliance and faith to your reactionary faith! I agree and like many of the first Christian teachings, by Christ, but the level of bastardization is sickening, the abuse of one good mans life and a few simple messages he espoused to creat such power structures that excist is an ebarressment to anyone with true faith.

Incidently, I'm not a Christian.

Well thats everything i believe about christianity in a nutshell. the basic idea is good, but the catholic church warped everything, just like the USSR sodomized the original concept of communism and warped it into something it wasn't, while still claiming to be the original. same thing with the early catholic church. then for the next millenia or so most people just followed what they were taught, didn't think about it [or those who did were burnt alive i think].

to bring us closer to God

you speak of the church as if it were a prison

we go there of our own choosing, remember?

we know we give things up to be in its midst but we do it of our own will we are not nearly as blind as you think us

I talk of all mental constructs that infringe on the Freedom of the individual as prisons, those that call to the un-questioning, the proud, those who need simple answers to live, those who can't look the truth, dreadful as it may be, in the face, and those who are just to plain lazy to think or just grew up with it.
Are you telling me the Christian Church, if in charge, would this time allow all spectrums of opinion to be heard {a true FReedom} and listened to?

IF you don't allow a person the option to do wrong without instantly damming them {but still curiousely giving them a way out for more hypocritical or split minded of the congragations in last min. repentance} , if these peopleslive in a bubble of rightousseness without tasting the forbidden fruit {which God made us apparantly knowing we always would} then you cannot judge another. How can you damn somone with no understanding of what they've gone through? How can you have the nerve to stand on a pedistal if rightousness and shout down those who've actualy exerianced the bare bones of life and didnt have much choice in it?

Can actualy address my {most likly} Goddamn points raised in the last few posts instead of this?

every now and then you've got to look at the good side

Answer the point, well?

I talk of all mental constructs that infringe on the Freedom of the individual as prisons, those that call to the un-questioning, the proud, those who need simple answers to live, those who can't look the truth, dreadful as it may be, in the face, and those who are just to plain lazy to think or just grew up with it.
Are you telling me the Christian Church, if in charge, would this time allow all spectrums of opinion to be heard {a true FReedom} and listened to?

IF you don't allow a person the option to do wrong without instantly damming them {but still curiousely giving them a way out for more hypocritical or split minded of the congragations in last min. repentance} , if these peopleslive in a bubble of rightousseness without tasting the forbidden fruit {which God made us apparantly knowing we always would} then you cannot judge another. How can you damn somone with no understanding of what they've gone through? How can you have the nerve to stand on a pedistal if rightousness and shout down those who've actualy exerianced the bare bones of life and didnt have much choice in it?

I've never raped anyone, but I can still condem a rapist can't I?

yep, the church is a prison, a biggoted, self righteous capitalist prison providing the physical foundations for hideous experiments resulting in the brainwashing of its subjects and the resulting feeling of eternal guilt and the impossibility of escaping it.
i think the question should be
...is presexual marriage a sin?
I'm sure many liberal readers would be more than willing to agree that this could arguably be the case.
shaoii

if premarital sex was a sin there would be barely anybody in heaven.

premarital sex is not a sin! how then do you have a chance to experiment and find out what is right for you? i suppose those people that find it a sin think that lesbians and gays, or anything like that is also a sin, which is simply unjust to those that are it. maybe we people in this society should get our principles right, and start worrying about the war and famine, not if sex is a sin or not at any times in our lives!

NO!! NEVER!!!

Juss useprotection.

and dont do it THAT much.

Why wait till urmarried? U'll waste ur youth.

The catholic church regards it as such so yes it is a sin.

But does that matter, if you claim to be catholic then yes i suppose it does, if you arn't then your not bound by thoese rules

I've never raped anyone, but I can still condem a rapist can't I?

Well, thanks for at lesat picking ONE thing to deal with....

No, we feel on one level we should punish the act and condem them because forceful taking of a woman has a negative effect on the society around it, that a co-hesive society {talking on a local level} we must prevent certain instincts getting out of control for the good of the whole.

Secondly, you can condem them from a moral Highground since you cannot empathise with them. In making them animals and monsters you cut off the humanity, what do we know of what that persons life is like?
What f&cked up society would produce a level of rapists? did you think of that? Do the maj of these rapist come from your level of society? Dose the individual have hormone inbalances, sexual instinct overdevelopments or pyscological in-stability?

Have you even begun to think beyond 'They are sinners?'
And you call youself a follower of the teachings of Christ?

You can condem whoever you want, and be all the more smug for doing so, instead of comdemming these people, should it be the good Christians DUTY to understand and try to help them?

IF you cannot live up to your own religions standards, don't dare condem others...

The main purpose of any law, rule, or standard is to keep people from hurting eachother. Therefor the only way premarital sex can really be wrong is if it hurts someone, either physically through the spread of STDs or by raping, or emotionally. My lover and I are not permitted to marry, yet we do not let this stop us from expressing our love through eachother through sexual acts. Even though we are not married, we are both consenting and committed individuals who see sex as an act of love, not pleasure. One must be careful though. Marriage implies a commitment (though marriage is not a prerequiset of commitment) and sex without commitment is like playing with fire; short-lived pleasure, but asking to be hurt.

-Queen Jennifer Rainbow of Kierasthan

its a sin. thats what the question was. he didnt ask " say what do you think about premartial sex. oh and what are your thoughts on christianity and organized religion" and speaking as someone who knows alot about christianity most of you dont know what your talking about anyway...

and as far as it being a natural instinct and being around before the bible... so has murder... so is that okay?

Murder and premarital sex are nothing alike; to compare the two of them is... skewed to say the least, and mentioning murder in the same breath as premarital sex is pointless.

So if some people want to have premarital sex, let them do it. As long as they're responsible about it (using protection, not sleeping with too many partners, using AIDS/HIV tests, having mutual consent) then they should be fine.

Of course not many people are careful, so i do see your point.

It's a sin. But does it matter? Before you holier-than-thou devout churchgoers begin telling the rest of us heathens to always do what we're told, remember that God is all-forgiving. I can have premarital sex every day, and as long as I ask for forgiveness, I am still to be admitted into Heaven. Is this not the case?

Oh, and by the way: God gave us, of all his creatures, free will. Did he do this so that he could restrict our freedoms?

Leaving a kid without two parents and a stable family is a sin. Premarital pregnancy leads to single-parent situations way more than children born in wedlock. I know there are all sorts of two-parent families that are horrible and dysfunctional, but 100% of kids raised by a single parent suffer for it in some way. Kids deserve better than that.

Birth control is good, but it wasn't around till recently... so rules about only having sex with someone with whom you're prepared to raise kids make a lot of sense, in a historical context.

I'm not really religious, and I don't think premarital sex is in itself a sin, but it can lead to situations where kids get hurt, and that is a sin.

M

Hell, pre-marital sex is the best kind!

Amen
lol

It's a sin. But does it matter? Before you holier-than-thou devout churchgoers begin telling the rest of us heathens to always do what we're told, remember that God is all-forgiving. I can have premarital sex every day, and as long as I ask for forgiveness, I am still to be admitted into Heaven. Is this not the case?


Eh... is that really what you think? Someone on fark today brought up the idea of a "sarcastrophe," some sort of punctuation where you could tell that the preceding statement was sarcasm. That'd be useful here.

M

Leaving a kid without two parents and a stable family is a sin. Premarital pregnancy leads to single-parent situations way more than children born in wedlock. I know there are all sorts of two-parent families that are horrible and dysfunctional, but 100% of kids raised by a single parent suffer for it in some way. Kids deserve better than that.


So divorce is a sin too?

eh..
I approve

Maybe some forms of biological imparative are harder to resist than others --

I guess it all boils down to being able to say no. If your 19-yr old sister's hot and wants me, guess I'll see you in hell. If it's your 399lbs Great-Aunt Martha, then ye sinners shall be judged by the rightous.

does anyone else read this and think "sheep"?

things can be immoral without being sinful, and sinful without being immoral. it all depends on what your religion (should you follow one) defines as "sin".

personally, i'm a big believer in the litmus test "does it hurt anyone else?" and while suicide is a marginal violator of that in most cases, premarital sex is not in itself harmful.

spreading STDs though pre-, extra-, gay, or marital sex is inexcusable...

and unplanned pregnancies are one of those things that one hopes consenting adults (or at least sexually active teenagers, lets not be naive) understand before they start screwing.

Well, technically I am agnostic. Therefore I don't think that there's enough evidence either way to make a clear decision on whether or not God exists. It allows me to comment and think objectively on most religious issues, among other things... the paragraph you quoted of mine wasn't really sarcasm; rather, it was a thought and a question directed toward those who preach. I don't really think that way, but I'd like to hear a response to the question nonetheless.

K?

So divorce is a sin too?
It can be.

I don't for a minute believe that God has hard & fast rules set down like "Every instance of activity X results in damnation." I hope God is a little smarter and more compassionate than that.

But if people get married for the wrong reasons, have kids, then get divorced, the kids suffer more than anyone, and they didn't even have any say in the matter. *That*, it seems to me, must be a sin. If you have children, they should be your highest priority. If your spouse is abusive or something like that, you should divorce them to remove yourself and your children from the danger. But if you're just bored and want to "go find yourself," think about what it's going to do to the family you leave behind.

M

[QUOTE=Allegheri]does anyone else read this and think "sheep"?

That was pretty much the point, Al.

Leaving a kid without two parents and a stable family is a sin. Premarital pregnancy leads to single-parent situations way more than children born in wedlock. I know there are all sorts of two-parent families that are horrible and dysfunctional, but 100% of kids raised by a single parent suffer for it in some way. Kids deserve better than that.

Birth control is good, but it wasn't around till recently... so rules about only having sex with someone with whom you're prepared to raise kids make a lot of sense, in a historical context.

I'm not really religious, and I don't think premarital sex is in itself a sin, but it can lead to situations where kids get hurt, and that is a sin.

M


Sorry, you're not religiouse but you think it can be a sin?

No offence but who the f%@k are you to tell me that 100% of kids brought up by single parents are suffering from it in some way?
Unless you're one of them dont make such terrible generalosations.
The truth is, rejecting and condemming something you don't/can't get is easy, and is no test of faith at all. Have sex, taste the 'ol forbidden fruit then judge, reject or embrace it. 3 types of sex tho, great pleasure, loving and child producing, did it occur to the Christians that since contraception wasn't an option and a string familiy unit with a clear male heir was essential in ancient times that the Church's ways were ALSO developed to help social co-hesion amoungst the people?

Look, just think about this, do the 10 second rule.
Stop. Think. Keep doing for 10secs, then decide if posting 'Having sex is a sin ;'cause STD's spread' is realy that sensible and mature.

You want to deal with STD's by labeling folk who have sex as condemmed sinners? what kind of messed up kids are those 2.4 children jonny-white boy suburban families raising?
Hell, my mums not the one on prozac and my dad's not screwing his secritary on the side, then all going home and praying round the nice dinner in the nice house and condemming those outside nthe white picket fence...

sorry to use an equaly bad seteriotype, but it makes the point no?

Its not.

*Almighty defin' the Christians Almighty BUMP*

*bump*

I want the Christian commrade to reply:P

Bah, who cares, sin is arbitrary anyway.

I'm stupid and I don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree you are stupid. Sin isn't arbitrary.

If you are Catholic (as I am), premarital sex is a sin. The same is true of most major religions. It's a sin to me one way or the other, but if you don't practice a religion that considers it a sin, you could argue that it's not.


i don't think most religions consider it a sin... unless you count three religions as being most.

at any rate, as long as it's consentual, there can be no wrong.

I agree you are stupid. Sin isn't arbitrary.
how is it not arbitrary?

some people don't like this or that so they say that this or that is a sin. they could have disliked a completely different pattern of a behaviour and deemed it to be a sin. they could have determined that one on one sex was a sin and that all children should be reared communally otherwise it is a sin...

Whether it is or not (and, personally, I think it is), I'm waiting until after I'm married.

I'm a big fan of premarital sex.

Premartial sex all the way

Honestly, I don't know. And I frankly don't care right now.

Anybody ever heard of the band "Premarital Sax"?

So divorce is a sin too?

No, cause if there is a divorce with a kid involved I don't think the family was stable since one of them filed for divorce ;)

So, the sin would already have been commited and they could be trying to do the best of the situation.

It can be.

I don't for a minute believe that God has hard & fast rules set down like "Every instance of activity X results in damnation." I hope God is a little smarter and more compassionate than that.


[Not to be taken to serious]

Maybe he is a mean old bastard that is laughing his a$$ off at us? Say, he sent us his only son to play a trick on us, saying that he would suffer for our sins so that if we believed in him we would be forgiven. ;)

[/Not to be taken to serious]

God had Jesus' family held hostage and told Jesus to say he would die for your sins, or else he'd kill his family

Oh yeah, thats how it went down

Personally, I think it's up to the people having the sex. I know people who had sex on the first night, to a person who's now following a religion (I can't remember which one right now) where she is now allowed to even touch a man until she's married to him.

With my current gf, I'm waiting until she's ready. My ex however was sex-mad, and wanted it umpteen times a day.

Oh, and "Hello everyone", by the way. :)

i don't think most religions consider it a sin... unless you count three religions as being most.

at any rate, as long as it's consentual, there can be no wrong.

he said major

as far as i can tell, all religion and ideas came from wanting to protect the populace. kids without parents was a problem, so priests said "God said we can't have sex before marriage." problem solved [kinda]. it's just like that with a lot of other things. in hinduism, we can't eat on our wedding day. people were getting food poisoning and vomitting during their weddings. can't have that, now can we? "God says not to eat on your wedding day." no pork? pork was bad for you! it could get you sick without sanitation and whatnot. "God says don't eat pork." the thing is, times have changed. pork can't kill you anymore [well, it can, but it's a tad less likely to], and there are such things as condoms, child support, abortions, etc.
the bible was written by people, a long time ago, as were most major religious texts. i don't know how to conclude this post, so i'm just stopping.

I don't think premarital sex in itself is a sin or immoral in any way.

Look. Just about anything that feels good short of taking a dump is a sin.

Not in particular. The condemnation falls on extramarital sex, not premarital specifically. By this, all kinds of sexual activity outside of or before marriage are condemned.

Of course, in the end it is the individual's responsibility to do what they feel is right.

Is premarital sex a sin. I have looked through the bible but cant find any mention of it.

Faunication is part of the whole "sexual imorality" idea, and faunication basicly means sex outside of marriage.

Is doing a road-test a sin in the car industry?

Faunication is part of the whole "sexual imorality" idea, and faunication basicly means sex outside of marriage.
Fornication. Not "faunication". That's fucking a satyr.

Who the hell went to the trouble of ressurecting a year old thread anyways?

Fornication. Not "faunication". That's fucking a satyr.

:D

Thanks a lot... not I've got coffee all over the keyboard. For some reason, that brought up a really disturbing image...