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not necessarily just any racist but what if someone really close to you like your family or friends was the victim of racism. would you kill him especially if it was just after the fact.

not necessarily just any racist but what if someone really close to you like your family or friends was the victim of racism. would you kill him especially if it was just after the fact.

That depends on the act.

Would I kill him for say calling a friend a ******? Nahh. I would let my friend beat the snot out of him.

Just for being a racist? Nah. He'd have to be immediately threatening my life or the life of someone close to me.

Killing someone just for being a racist (images of Bugs Bunny with a hunting cap on, shotgun in hand "Shhh, Im hunting racists. It's KKK season)? I doubt anyone would do that.

However, I would have no qualms about killing a racist if it were in an attempt to save his victoms life. But then, I would have no qualms about killing anyone, if it were in defense of their lives. Other than that situation tho, I dont think I can justify it.

I have no problem with cleaning up my city by any means possible.
It's always time to "take out" the trash. haha, I still manage to amuse myself with one liners.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

People can be racists if they want, just as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process.

Personally, I think everyone's a little bit racist, whether you think that racist jokes are funny and kinda based on truth, or if you think immigrants should learn to speak some goddamn english.

I would kill a racist, and a rapist! jk, but these threads are right next to each other.

not necessarily just any racist but what if someone really close to you like your family or friends was the victim of racism. would you kill him especially if it was just after the fact.
Leading polls suck.

I would not kill a rascist or a rapist because I do care about people, and I don't believe in murder for any cause.

People can be racists if they want, just as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process.

Personally, I think everyone's a little bit racist, whether you think that racist jokes are funny and kinda based on truth, or if you think immigrants should learn to speak some goddamn english.

must... not... hijack... thread........

damn it, cant help it.

How is it that requesting/requiring immigrants to speak english being racist? I do believe it's a condition of citizenship. And if you're talking about those immigrants that arent worried about citizenship, you're right.. they should not have to learn the language, they should have to leave the country. Do not pass go, Do not collect any benifit for being in this country.

they should not have to learn the language, they should have to leave the country. Do not pass go, Do not collect any benifit for being in this country.

Well that is a tad racist.

I've been to the Statue of Liberty and really don't recall a language requirement.

No, but none of those answers really apply. I wouldn't kill anyone just because of their beliefs. However, if they were a murderer and had every intent to kill the next minority (of whatever sort they don't like) they saw, then yeah, or if they posed an immediate threat to my life or to someone else's.

Well that is a tad racist.

I've been to the Statue of Liberty and really don't recall a language requirement.
It's not racist.. it's nationist (for lack of a better term). There isnt mention of language requirement on the Statue of Liberty, but there is one for citizenship.
Now, speaking of illegal aliens, they are, by definition, criminals. Now perhaps one would prefer to just inter them in prisons and jails, but we havent the resources for that so we should deport them.
Im all for someone immigrating to the US, provided they do it legally.

No, racism is somtimes good. And its not against the law its a right to hate any race you feel like.

It's not racist.. it's nationist (for lack of a better term). There isnt mention of language requirement on the Statue of Liberty, but there is one for citizenship.
Now, speaking of illegal aliens, they are, by definition, criminals. Now perhaps one would prefer to just inter them in prisons and jails, but we havent the resources for that so we should deport them.
Im all for someone immigrating to the US, provided they do it legally.

It's not nationist, it's nationalist.

If you're going to be part of a movement, make sure you know how to spell it.

If the guy or whoever had killed this family member because of race I still wouldn't kill the person because well thats going down to his level in a way. Also I'm one of those nuts who believes in freedom including the freedom to discriminate so if someone I knew was turned down for a job or told something sure I'd feel bad and wouldn't like it and would say so but he has that freedom

No, racism is somtimes good. And its not against the law its a right to hate any race you feel like.
How often do you have to wash your sheets?

How often do you have to wash your sheets?

Thats not what I was saying. I'm saying that to protect of borders we need to block people from Arab countrys. And no I am not a racist.

Thats not what I was saying. I'm saying that to protect of borders we need to block people from Arab countrys. And no I am not a racist.
That sounds pretty racist to me.

That sounds pretty racist to me.

Well I don't want America to be baby Isreal like the wacko terrorist that blow themselves up in a cafe. Would you like that.

Well I don't want America to be baby Isreal like the wacko terrorist that blow themselves up in a cafe. Would you like that.
Do you think that people that just happen to be from Arab nations are the only people capable of doing these kinds of things? Furthermore, do you think that all people that just happen to be from Arab nations are going to blow themself up in a cafe?

Ya'll are a bunch of niggers!

Do you think that people that just happen to be from Arab nations are the only people capable of doing these kinds of things? Furthermore, do you think that all people that just happen to be from Arab nations are going to blow themself up in a cafe?

Most people who blow themselves up are arabs. If everyone who was "from an arab nation" was put in a cafe, one by one, there would be one eventually who'd blow himself up.

It's not nationist, it's nationalist.

If you're going to be part of a movement, make sure you know how to spell it.

lol didnt even know there was a word for it... :D
Thanks tho for the correction

Here's a more pertinent question; If someone acted out of racism to commit a crime, if convicted, would you add to their sentencing for it?

Somehow most nations think this is ok and name call it 'hate crime legislation,' but really isn't it nothing more than thought policing? If something is a crime, the action should be countered of it's own criminality to the extent of the law for what is criminal. Otherwise is to gauge free-thought and punish free thinking as motive. Are some thoughts innately less legal than others that if put into action, are not impartial to the law with it's justice when the living rationale is compounded to the action? Shouldn't the crime be seen on the terms of it's own damage & scope only? Could this be a way to weed out people from society who think a certain way and a form of a thought police-state? The thought is not a criminal motive, as in direct premeditation, but a world view, shouldn't then other worldviews, i.e. social darwinism, be added to charges for different forms of crimes by thought-structures if racism is to be treated as such?

And if it's to be judged as 'hate' regardless of context, and also socially judged irrational if taken to be exacerbating a crime: doesn't that make it a crime of irrational passion which if proved usually makes a crime hold LESS of an impact on sentencing? If it is considered long premeditation by general view, then there is no way there's direction to the specific act from the beginning because a general view proves abstraction from the individual act, removing it from the crime itself.

Most people who blow themselves up are arabs. If everyone who was "from an arab nation" was put in a cafe, one by one, there would be one eventually who'd blow himself up.

It's just because at the moment there is more demand for such stupid sacrifice in the Arab world, and its the only way they can very effectively have an impact for some cause they feel is important. Blowing yourself up in a café is analogious (is that even a word?) to some young soldier committing suicide by fighting against impossible odds because some general told them "It's vital that you keep the enemy from crossing this road for three hours, although you are going to be no less dead after those three hours".

Most people who blow themselves up are arabs. If everyone who was "from an arab nation" was put in a cafe, one by one, there would be one eventually who'd blow himself up.

Do you _honestly_ not consider yourself racist???

Where's the "No, I think people have the right to a free opinion (even if I don't like the opinion)" option?

The poll is not a good one. The options are way too leading. The arguments made in the poll options are unnecessary and not representative, leaving out several options and implying there's only bad arguments for one of the viewpoints.

So, I'll refrain from voitng.

Where's the "No, I think people have the right to a free opinion (even if I don't like the opinion)" option?

The poll is not a good one. The options are way too leading. The arguments made in the poll options are unnecessary and not representative, leaving out several options and implying there's only bad arguments for one of the viewpoints.

So, I'll refrain from voitng.

The poll was taken from the "Would you kill a rapist" thread.

If that helps explain why it's a crappy poll.

Does the question include *all* racism, or is it just meaning *white* racism?

Here's a more pertinent question; If someone acted out of racism to commit a crime, if convicted, would you add to their sentencing for it?

Somehow most nations think this is ok and name call it 'hate crime legislation,' but really isn't it nothing more than thought policing? If something is a crime, the action should be countered of it's own criminality to the extent of the law for what is criminal

Personally i take the stance that the punishment should fit the crime but only in that is suitable - if someone is shouting racial abuse then the current system is acceptable as people don't deserve to have their race mocked in public but if someone goes and beats or murders another based on their skin colour, i find that unnacceptable and they should just be put to death as they're not going to contribute to society and in that case, they are of no use in the modern world. Either that or exile them to the country of origin of the people he/she put down and let them deal with his punishment...

Well I don't want America to be baby Isreal like the wacko terrorist that blow themselves up in a cafe. Would you like that.How soon they forget. Anybody remember what the worst terrorist act on American soil was before 9/11? Give ya a hint, no Arabs were involved and it happened in Oklahoma.

As for the Poll. The lawfull use of deadly force must involve legitamate fear for your own or anothers life or limb. If killing a racist fell into this catagory then the answer would likely be yes, I would not kill someone for a hate crime that did not fall into this catagory or simply for being a racist.


But there are some things that can almost be as bad as death, and if a little poetic justice is involved, so much the sweeter.

Honestly, if they aren't hurting you (Not Emotionally) then why does it matter? What someone says is never a reason to kill anyone... for some odd reason this topic is just screaming American History X !!!

For all who don't know watch the movie. I command thee! :D

NO KILLING. Period.

If somebody commit a crime or anything else that is so horrifying you would kill for it, put them i jail for life and make thme work for the community.
At least they will be usefull.

And yes, this poll sucks.
leading as hell...

It doesn’t matter what their motive is. If they’re trying to provoke me, and I have my sword with me. Their head will be coming off real fast.

Hate crimes legislation, to me, at least, is the same as the law that increases your sentence if you kill a police officer while on duty. Some people need extra protection at times, and increasing the sentence for hurting them is sometimes the only way to give them that extra protection.

If they’re trying to provoke me, and I have my sword with me. Their head will be coming off real fast.
Because, of course, you're just a stupid over puffed reactionary. If someone tries to provoke you and you respond with violence, you have just proved that they were either:

Right
Smarter than you

Maybe they'll have a gun and remove your vigilante spirit.

Racism is just thoughts (or words), and is no real threat to anyone. So what if the skinheads down the street yell mean names at you? S'no more offensive then calling someone a 'poopoo head,' for all the maturity it shows. So, please just get over yourself and get on with your life, or don't. Now that I think of it, I really don't give a rat's ass. Or even a whole rat for that matter. So, there you carbon-based lifeforms. You inhalers of foul oxygen.

Go suck some O2 you Earth-bound carbies.

I'm missing the Answer-Option "No, because killing is never justified / evil / against my morale standards"
-> no vote cast.

I would not kill someone just because they were racist. Just because they are stupid doesn't mean they should die for it.

If you live in the US, then you have the right to be offended by a racist. Get over it, and stop whining.

indeed i would slaughter the wee bestid on the spot due to a chronic allergy to all racists.
anyway, everyone knows there is only one superior master race.anyone care to tell me who they think it is?
racists are by virtue of their beliefs inferior to all other humans,infact they are a subhuman species and must all be removed from the face of the planet if the world is to hav any successful future.
shaoii

I wouldn't kill someone for their opinions no matter what they were. If preventing them from acting on them in a life-threatening way and killing them was the only way to get them to stop then I can't say I wouldn't kill them. But if someone, for example, painted 'hang all the niggers' on a wall and I knew who it was, then I'd report them to the police. There are some crimes that deserve death but I don't think racism is one of them. Murder? sure. Violent rape? definatly. Racism? No.

Its getting into the Orwellian type of society where we have thought-police that I'm more frightened of actual racism itself.

they will evolve into a lesser class since all the racists i know date other racists. they will become a subserviant class to all free thinking intellectuals... I'd never kill but i might want to cause pain.

Id be happy to let people kill racist as long as it was ok to kill whinny liberals also.

What a stupid and immoral question!!
I wouldn't kill anyone.

You ever heard the Commandment, Thou shall not kill. ?
I think that states it quite plainly.

Do I condone racism? Never.
You don't have to kill a racist to get rid of racism.
You just have to teach people not to HATE others.

As Jesus said, love your neighbors as yourself.
And that means love your enemies.

they will evolve into a lesser class since all the racists i know date other racists. they will become a subserviant class to all free thinking intellectuals... I'd never kill but i might want to cause pain.

There is no such thing as a lesser class.
You have hate written all over your response.

Just for being a racist? Nah. He'd have to be immediately threatening my life or the life of someone close to me.

Same here.

I don't believe in revenge, so if a racist killed somebody very dear to me, I would try my hardest not to seek them out and kill them.

However, if said racist was threatening somebody's life while I was around them both, I wouldn't hesitate a second to take 'em down

Here's a question...if you killed a racist, would that be considered a hate crime?

Here's a question...if you killed a racist, would that be considered a hate crime?

I belive that all murder (killing) is hatred. Therefore, yes, it would be a hate crime.

By saying you're not a racist, you're implying that you're open to everyone's culture and beliefs. It'd be hypocritical to kills someone who didn't like a certain type of people, becuase it shows that you're discriminatory, too. Sure, if you're being beat, and you kill them out of self defense; or if someone was convicted of a race killing and put to death. That's fine. But killing someone just becuase they don't like a race? That's putting yourself down on their level.

No, I don't think that killing anyone, even those who have killed, is right.

if a racist was trying to kill me or someone around me, then perhaps in self defense. otherwise, nope.

I could care less about what someone thinks about a race, even mine. If I wanted to kill a racist, I'd have to go out of my way to do so, and there would be no real benefit involved. If I was going to save a friend's life from some super-racist, I guess I would try and protect them. Otherwise, let them think what they want for all I care.

Nobody deserves to die. Not even racists.

Nobody deserves to die. Not even racists.

Agreed.

Just because the racists do not see the humanness in the people they denigrate, doesn't mean we should ignore their humanness.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and thought, even if the majority of people consider those opinions disgusting. Its a fundamental human right.

Hate crime legislature is also a lot of crap too. It merely serves to reinforce the belief that certain groups of people are different than the rest and need to be treated differently, and in some cases even protected.

This means taking desicions based on a persons skin colour, religion or whatever.

Racism will never be removed from society while things (although good intentioned) enforce the belief that the colour of a persons skin matters in any way, shape or form.

If it does, then what's wrong with legislating against it?

I will give an example, things may or may not quite happen like this, but i will use it to illustrate the point.

Say a white guy and a black guy were both up in court for the murder of another black guy.

The judge tells the white guy his sentence will be increased because it was considered to be a 'hate crime'.

To all the people watching this sends the message out that these 2 people are fundamentally different from each other simply because of the colour of their skin. This is then used by the racists as justification to treat them differently because in law, they *are* seen as being different. This can then further entrench the belief that is ok to insult and verbally abuse a person because the colour of their skin makes them different, and thus subject to different rules on human decency which would apply to those of similar colour.

not necessarily just any racist but what if someone really close to you like your family or friends was the victim of racism. would you kill him especially if it was just after the fact.

Dunno... If I kill him, would I be as bad as him?