NationStates Jolt Archive

The tides are turning the overthrowing of the global power of Micro$oft will prevail. Think about, Newsforge recomends Mozilla Firefox over Internet Explorer. Linux is getting more and more users. Micro$oft has resorted to trying to turn the GPL into a no-distribution bomb. Whil Linux was just picked to run on NASA's brand new supercomputer. Soon, Linux will have taken control. But won't that ruin the market you ask, why no, it won't because most people wouldn't download the iso like I did, they would go to the store and buy the distro. Keeping people in work and more distros will probably pop up. You people just watch! Linux will become the number one operating system. It will take the job of what UNIX was suposed to do. Be the standard.

The tides are turning the overthrowing of the global power of Microsoft will prevail. Think about, Newsforge recomends Mozilla Firefox over Internet Explorer. Linux is getting more and more users. Microsoft has resorted to trying to turn the GPL into a no-distribution bomb. Whil Linux was just picked to run on NASA's brand new supercomputer. Soon, Linux will have taken control. But won't that ruin the market you ask, why no, it won't because most people wouldn't download the iso like I did, they would go to the store and buy the distro. Keeping people in work and more distros will probably pop up. You people just watch! Linux will become the number one operating system. It will take the job of what UNIX was suposed to do. Be the standard.
I don't want Linux to be the standard. Not that I want Microsoft in that position...I just don't think it is good to have a forerunner of OSes...
OSes should be like cars.

"Captain, the radar is showing a really stupid thread in the forums."

"You know the drill Lieutenant. Ready the canon."

"Aye sir. Readying Canon."

"Canon Ready sir."

"Fire IGNORE CANON."

"Mission complete sir"

I don't want Linux to be the standard. Not that I want Microsoft in that position...I just don't think it is good to have a forerunner of OSes...
OSes should be like cars.

Grossly overpriced machines that consume unprecedented amounts of fossil fuel even though the technology to avoid such costs could be found in a handful of years? :)

just kidding. It would be wonderful if operating systems, and everything else for that matter, suddenly had a perfectly competitive market. But in the meantime, it would be nice to see an OS with open source become more popular. Then again, if Microsoft had gone open at some point, then there would have been no recourse when the E.U. was like, *YOINK*. Thanks to the their absurd levels of secrecy, Microsoft had the option of saying, "WTF, EUROPE? STFU!" and leaving. Linux could never do that because the guv could just make a complete copy of the OS and distribute it themselves. That would make me a sad panda.

I dislike Linux and the general elitist Linux mentality.

I dislike Linux and the general elitist Linux mentality.

Why? Just cause its complicated and you have to have a brain to use it?
Maybe Linux geeks are not plesant, but open-source is worth it.

I just installed Xandros last night, and it really is way better than windows. :D

I dislike Linux and the general elitist Linux mentality.

Why? Just cause its complicated and you have to have a brain to use it?


HMMMMM. Might want to think about that one for a second.

It's a perfectly normal thing for the market. Besides, this hardly means the death of Microsoft, but it'll mean they'll go into other fields. Perhaps they'll research hardware. Or perhaps they'll move in consumer electronics, or both. It's hard to say, but I'm sure that this will turn out to be good for Microsoft.

Uh...I doubt it...they're working on another new OS which looks really nice. So far I think it's been called Longhorn, but it's going to be as much of a major change from XP as XP was from 2k (or ME, whichever was released lasted) and as much of a change as '95 was from 3.1

Uh...I doubt it...they're working on another new OS which looks really nice. So far I think it's been called Longhorn, but it's going to be as much of a major change from XP as XP was from 2k (or ME, whichever was released lasted) and as much of a change as '95 was from 3.1
I'm not a software expert, so I don't have the slightest idea what that means. However, perhaps this OS, if they can actually make the thing, will ultimately work for them.

I Linux and a few other non-windows systems, but right now i don't see any of these OS's de-throning microsoft. I still think Linux is too "difficult" for most casual users and until this changes, i'm not sure Linux will start to gain a substantial marketshare in personal computing. Don't get me wrong, i don't really like microsoft either, but right now it still has one of the most straightforward interfaces, which I think most people look for in OS.

let's not have one monopoly swing into another. open up the market, let in more competitors, and VOILA! the consumers benefit.

Linux prevail? Dependent on market forces. If people consider the time and work they spend to get Linux work to be a better deal than the money for Windows, it will. Otherwise, Windows or some other better deal will.

Better deal including getting the word processing, internet, etc, and in some cases game working too. That'd go in time and work.

Microsoft hang themselves? Hardly. Unless they manage to piss everyone off with DRMOS^H^H^H^H^HLonghorn. And even then they have enough to hang their hat on (or that can be converted to hat-hanging stuff) that they'll survive unless they end up on the unfortunate end of the government's wrath.

I'm not a software expert, so I don't have the slightest idea what that means. However, perhaps this OS, if they can actually make the thing, will ultimately work for them.
I'm not a software expert either. I'm a hardware guy (as gay as that sounds...). It doesn't take a genius to recognize the difference between 3.1 and '95 or between ME and XP.

I'll just step aside with my Macintosh, Halo, and Sim City 4.

Maybe I'll find a ledge and snipe from it


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As a network engineer I felt I had to post...

Firstly....Yes Microsoft products can be exceptionaly crap, but they can also be very good. The company I work for has 12 2003 servers and 4 win2k servers - serving 1400 users in 3 offices - are we secure? Yes....because we know what we are doing and take it very seriously.

Do any of our workstations ever crash? Very rarely....why? Again because we know what we are doing.

The software can be as good or as bad as you want it to be, I've seen some network folk who don't have a clue about setting shit up correctly...hence they get frustrated when it goes wrong, which inevitably leads them to slagging of Micro$oft.

Now I run Linux at home and a windows server - both serve different purposes. As for the argument about it being open source....and thats great right? wrong....chances are half of you arguing for Linux wouldn't know how to code a go to statement, let alone re-write your OS - you are jumping on the Linux bandwagon, where it's automatically 'cool' to use the words 'open source'.

Get a grip.

The simple fact o the matter is this - Linux is NOT complex to use, it's a piece of piss in fact BUT people (users) have gotten used to Microsoft products, they like them, they do what they need them to do.

My windows servers work, they do what I need them to do, they do it wihout hassle, they are a piece of piss to administer which means I can have my network administrators do the day to day running of the network without bothering me every two minutes.

Do we use Linux at work? sure we do, it's my proxy and firewall running IP Cop.....I use it cos it does have more powerful functions than certain aspects of server 2003, and I have grown up around unix etc so it's familiar.

I am all for Linux getting a stronger foothold in the server OS market, I really am....but don't be jumping on an anti-Microsoft bandwagon cos it's the 'done thing'

MS brought computing to the masses, and they are a company looking to make a PROFIT - they do piss me off too, but have a little perspective!

yeah so the software is sometimes good. But it is usually crap,.

Total linux domination would not be a bad thing, why? because there are thousands of distrobutions of Linux, most software for linux works on most distros, if everyone was on Linux everything would work for everyone, it would also make it easier to convert PC software to PowerPC (Mac)

"Captain, the radar is showing a really stupid thread in the forums."

"You know the drill Lieutenant. Ready the canon."

"Aye sir. Readying Canon."

"Canon Ready sir."

"Fire IGNORE CANON."

"Mission complete sir"
The bloody Canon. :( Why oh why I bought a Canon scanner (2 years ago) that's the only reason I still sometimes have to use Windows.

Theres a saying, windows is for play other OSs are for getting work done. Since all i use my PC for is gaming im pritty much stuck with windows. I will change to a different OS when and only when i find a OS that surports just as many games and since Linux and Mac only suport i guess about 60% of the games out i have a long time to wait.

And the people who get all pissy about what i just said look it up its true and dont even think about saying consoles are better for gaming than computers ive heard it a million times and im talking about OSs not consoles!

i think at the moment, Linux is probably more complicated that your average user wants from an OS, and to be honest, if anyone was going to get a strong foothold in the market, should Microsoft take a plunge, it would probably be Apple, OSX is easy to use, windows like, and requires very little user input in the setup.

Having said that, i'd much rather see linux get some better recongition, i really don't like the reputation it's got for just being for sad geeky types, it's a powerful OS, and will do very well for its self if more games and other applications can be supported.

We have OpenOffice.org, which IMO is a brilliant replacement for Microsoft Office; Gimp is almost as good for some things as photoshop, and when it matures a little more, will probably be as good if not better; Kde and Gnome are now very nice, and i prefer them to the windows WM.

Also has anyone seen Suns "Project Looking Glass"? that looks to be very sweet.

We'll just have to see what happens, Microsoft is slowly losing its popularity among the power-users and more technical PC users, but the new users or the people that use their PC's for a couple of functions, won't know any better and probably don't care.

i find a OS that surports just as many games and since Linux and Mac only suport i guess about 60% of the games out i have a long time to wait.


Agreed, Linux support of games is pretty poor, but have you seen WineX (or Cedega as it's now called). That's got some wicked games running on it.


dont even think about saying consoles are better for gaming than computers ive heard it a million times and im talking about OSs not consoles!
I think that some games work better on Consoles than PC's, but not all of them, and infact, some games are better on different consoles...

that's why everyone should have all of them :P or buy emulators ;)

In a sense, OSs are kind of like cars, but instead of each OS company being like a different car company, each OS is like a different kind of car. Linux is kind of like the SUV of OSs...where Windows is like a luxury car with OnStar and such.

personally i think windows is like a car with a loose sparkplug :P

Linux is a very good OS and I like it. However.
I do have a Dual Boot system with Mandrake getting a 3gb parition and windows getting a 55gb Partion.
I like to tinker around with Linux but it has the following going agnist it.
1. Not compatible With windows programs
2. Most distros are beyond the reach of your average user
3. Microsoft is well known and people do trust them
4. Gaming, If linux would be compatible with more games I would only use Linux but this is not the case.
5. Not compatible with SB Live! soundcards.
Do not give me that WINE Bull, It doesn't work most of the time and the games normally look horrible when WINE trys to emulate DirectX

Windows XP is still a very powerful OS, It's probably overpowered for most home users anyway.

Plus Windows is just plain idiot proof.
Windows XP looks like a commitment to making good OS's. I have NEVER had XP crash or even freeze up in the 2 years I have had it. Linux is a fun little toy for alot of people but most people would rather be using Windows or even better the UNIX based OSX.

The reason that Linux and Mac users don't get hacked has little to do with the actual OS and a lot to do with the population of Windows users in comparison. Plus, Linux users tend to know what they're doing with computers and therefore even if someone tried hacking a Linux now, it wouldn't prove to be very productive...however if a bunch of people unfamilar with computers started using Linux, it'd start seeing the same problems that Microsoft sees. I guarantee it. You know why? I know how to use a computer; I use Microsoft Windows XP, and I've never had major errors, problems, bugs, worms, viruses, etcetera like most other Windows users. If I used Linux, it'd be the same story, and if most Windows users switched to Linux, it'd be the same story for them too.

I dislike Linux and the general elitist Linux mentality.

I have a great book .... "Linux for Non-Geeks" .... $20 at Fry's. :)

Considering something like 94% of desktop users have Microsoft products installed, I'd wager Mr Gates isn't overly concerned about the Linux 'threat'.

So, which distribution of Linux?

Until I can get Linux to run all my Windows games, not yet.

FreeBSD is a very nice OS. Linux is starting to get more and more Viruses made for it. It looks like a cycle. I am a kernel hacker, and I am coding my own JAVA enhanced OS, for my school science fair.

OSes should be like cars.
They are... and Microsoft OSs are old cranky cars that stop at every corner, Solaris are Ferraris, MacOSs are regular street cars and small utilitary vehicles and Linux distros can transform from a sports car into a heavy duty truck in less than a few hours. :p

Until I can get Linux to run all my Windows games, not yet.
Me too. There's a prog that emulates DirectX perfectly, but it's commercial; and last time I checked it was like $90. But once WINE gets the hang of it: BYE BYE Windows!

Plus Windows is just plain idiot proof.
One more reason not to have it.

Windows XP looks like a commitment to making good OS's. I have NEVER had XP crash or even freeze up in the 2 years I have had it.
You probably didn't do anything interesting with it then. :D

haha, i re-installed XP on my brothers computer yesterday, and it crashed installing service pack 2..

there was nothing on the system!

the first thing i attempt and bang!