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You are enjoying your flight to Los Angeles, sitting in your aisle seat, when four burly, bearded men stand up and brandish knives. They say they are taking this plane back to Denver, Colorado, and the wings tilt as you turn around. Three air hostesses and two buisnessmen try to wrestle them to the ground, but the terrorists kill them all, by blows to the head or slitting their throats. They grab a baby and then say if anyone else tries anything like that they will kill it. The aircraft starts to descend...

What do you do?

I'd say my damned prayers.

Actually, I admire the people on that flight. Given that they had nothing to lose by trying, and their lives and many on the ground to gain, I'm glad that they did.

OK, if YOU wouldn't have the guts to do anything (I wouldn't either) what is the best strategy to A)kill or incapacitate the terrorists and B) safely land the plane

What do you do?

Wet myself.

Cry.

Say "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry."

And then rip off my shirt and go "HOoooaarhhhhbllaaaahhhhrahhhh!!!"

Then they'd probably kill me for being annoying.

I know some martial arts and how to kill people in positions like that. I'd rally the crew and passengers, and during that while fighting a terrorist and use a gun/knife removal trick by hitting their tendons and hand in a way that the knife falls to the ground...I'd take the knife and go behind and in one movement slit their throat, cut the arm they had a knife it then stab their heart...

I don't think, in a situation like this, anyone could exactly know what they would do at that moment.

By the way, I think I would be really, really scared.

I know some martial arts and how to kill people in positions like that. I'd rally the crew and passengers, and during that while fighting a terrorist and use a gun/knife removal trick by hitting their tendons and hand in a way that the knife falls to the ground...I'd take the knife and go behind and in one movement slit their throat, cut the arm they had a knife it then stab their heart...

all while wearing a black trenchcoat and moving in slow motion.

You are enjoying your flight to Los Angeles, sitting in your aisle seat, when four burly, bearded men stand up and brandish knives. They say they are taking this plane back to Denver, Colorado, and the wings tilt as you turn around. Three air hostesses and two buisnessmen try to wrestle them to the ground, but the terrorists kill them all, by blows to the head or slitting their throats. They grab a baby and then say if anyone else tries anything like that they will kill it. The aircraft starts to descend...

What do you do?

Get my extra pair of high heels out of my carry-on bag.
Shove one high heel up each of the four men's ASS!!

Lemme tellya what, high heels can really hurt and get someone's attention if ya know where to place them. All four of them highjackers would be needing shpe-ectomies when I got done kicking their ass!

Screw it, nowadays, if a hijacker takes a plane, the likelihood is you're gonna die anyway...so I'm willing to risk my life in the attempt to SAVE my life.

Hijackings have gone to a new level since 9/11. No longer can I count on getting taken somewhere like Cyprus, or Damascus...and eventually being set free with the other women and children. Now MY life is at risk, too. chances are, the hijackers' intent is to crash the damn plane...which means I'm gonna die.
On the other hand, I can take them on, try to kick their ass, and, while I MIGHT die in the process, there's also a chance to SAVE MY LIFE...and the lives of others. Damned if I'm gonna sit there peacefully, while they steer the plane at the nearest tall skyscraper so that they can wipe my mucilage off the side of a building!!

And iIm betting I'd be far from alone...many other passengers would get up, with the same intent.

I'd be all over them, like stink on shit, and I wouldn't stop until those fuckers were laying REAL STILL...catch my drift?

Since I know I'm going to die..at the very least die attempting to crash the plane before it reaches it's target destination..or better..punch a hole in the fuselage to cause depressurization and the plane explode in mid-air..I would not give the terrorists the satisfaction of seeing me cower like an infant.

If they are going to crash the plane, then I'd rather die on my feet instead of wimpering on my knees (or behind in this case.) I might be one of those five.

But think about it; if terrorists hijack a plane again; we already know their intentions. We know we are going to die. Did the people on the 9/11 flights know that? I doubt it. The terrorists would have a riot on thier hands. Now that we know we'll die, we'll fight them.

I dont know how the Terrorist got passed the 1-3 Sky Marshalls on the plane but...

What would i do? Id get my laptop and sneak up on one of the terrorist and knock him out in the back of the head, seeeing how the others would probably be in the front of the plane. Then id get the guys knife, and stab one other terrorist in the back. Then id give that knive to the Chinesse buisiness maan with a funny accent in the seat next to me and then we'd stab the Terrorist in the back. And when we find that they already killed the baby, we mmutilate their corpses but then we discover they killed the pilots too sooo then we scream, run around... Remember that the plane has auto pilot, and look for someone on the plane that can fly. WE find out that theres a French Pilot on-board, i tell him to land the plane, he does, and then i stop hating the french and become a french citizen.... But since im never going to be on a flight to DEnver, i wont become french either =D

Why the hell would the terrorists want to go to Denver over LA?

Since I know I'm going to die..at the very least die attempting to crash the plane before it reaches it's target destination..or better..punch a hole in the fuselage to cause depressurization and the plane explode in mid-air..I would not give the terrorists the satisfaction of seeing me cower like an infant.

A fist sized hole in the fuselage wouldnt cause it to explode. If you were the one sitting next to the hole you would get violently pulled towards it and things would be shaken up some, but that wouldnt be enough to rip the plane apart.

Why the hell would the terrorists want to go to Denver over LA?
They'd probably be on the out flight actually.
As for me if they did highjack the plane, i would probably demand some duty free alcohol, and enjoy the last hours of my life...corse that depends on what they're gonna do with the plane, if they want to go tosomewhere land, and leave, then i wouldn't mind as much as if they planned on doing a kamikazee flight.

A fist sized hole in the fuselage wouldnt cause it to explode. If you were the one sitting next to the hole you would get violently pulled towards it and things would be shaken up some, but that wouldnt be enough to rip the plane apart.

Surprisingly little happens when you put a hole in the fuselage.

I saw it on mythbusters.

Surprisingly little happens when you put a hole in the fuselage.

I saw it on mythbusters.

Me too, thats how I knew that the plane wouldnt tear open from a small hole.

Great show.

I'd say "I have to go to the bathroom," and when a terrorist comes over, I kick the knfe out of his hand, and snap his neck. Then I'd pick the knife up and proceed to massacre the rest of them without mercy. If one managed to survive, I'd throw him off the plane so he gets sucked into the intake of the engine. Not a pleasent way to go...

You are enjoying your flight to Los Angeles, sitting in your aisle seat, when four burly, bearded men stand up and brandish knives. They say they are taking this plane back to Denver, Colorado, and the wings tilt as you turn around. Three air hostesses and two buisnessmen try to wrestle them to the ground, but the terrorists kill them all, by blows to the head or slitting their throats. They grab a baby and then say if anyone else tries anything like that they will kill it. The aircraft starts to descend...

What do you do?

1. Pray.

2. Show them my Chinese passport.

You are enjoying your flight to Los Angeles, sitting in your aisle seat, when four burly, bearded men stand up and brandish knives. They say they are taking this plane back to Denver, Colorado, and the wings tilt as you turn around. Three air hostesses and two buisnessmen try to wrestle them to the ground, but the terrorists kill them all, by blows to the head or slitting their throats. They grab a baby and then say if anyone else tries anything like that they will kill it. The aircraft starts to descend...

What do you do?
I grab another baby and threaten to kill it if they don't surrender. :D

Why the hell would the terrorists want to go to Denver over LA?

It was just off the top of my head.

Anyway, I think the best strategy would to somehow tell everyone to "bundle" or "dogpile" the hijackers at a certain signal. We could pass notes or something. Then I would yell "Dogpile on the terrorists!" or maybe just whistle three times, and everyone would leap up and smother them with their bodies, kicking and punching and biting. A few would die, but the majority of us would live, and the lives of the people on the ground would be saved. I have a fair idea of how to fly a plane so I could land it.

You know how to fly an Airplane? Good. Then ill exchange the French guy for you :D

Take a pop can put it in a sock from my carry on and kill the terrorists. It really works so will a roll of coins in a sock.

I'd ask to go to the toilet, Crap my pants, then put my finger down there in order to ah, fingerpaint "I love you guys" on my shirt and go to give the terrorist escorting me a hug. I would then sieze the moment as the confused, shocked and horrified terrorist paused to kick him in the testicles (I know some karate so I could do a decent job), grab the knife and kill the sonofabitch. If the other terrorists haven't noticed by now I would then take his clean clothes and wear them instead, or if there isnt time for that, wipe my messy arse on his shirt. Then i'd go and finish the job by proceeding to the kitchen, grabbing a bottle of champagne and using that as a long distance weapon.

If the other terrrorists come running to the man's aid i'd have the knife by now so i'd go berzerk, hopefully taking a few of them with me (Meanwhile i'd also be reminding them that they really do need someone to fly the plane and making sexual innuendo to throw them off).

Oh, the baby? Well, it would have died anyway if I didn't do anything.

Once i've killed them all I use my rudimentary flight experience to land the plane. (I've flown a light aircraft and taken a few lessons before)

I'd rather die trying to stop them than die sitting in my seat looking out the window and watching a building grow up ahead.

Fuck it. I say the best strategy would probably be to grab him and strangle or beat him to death, then take his weapon and advance on the next guy. If they kill the baby, break every fucking bone in their bodies, drag them to the back, and toss them out of the plane. Not in the engine, then we would crash. Let them see what it feels like to slam into a rock face at a hundred fifty miles an hour. With luck, you can take the cockpit without crashing and radio in to the nearest airport. They'll tell you what to do.

You're not actually on said airplane asking for suggestions, right?

Me too, thats how I knew that the plane wouldnt tear open from a small hole.

Great show.

Unless, you're flying at a high altitude and all of a sudden you have no air, and the terrorist flying the plane doesn't know how to work the oxygen masks.

I would use common sense. Use my mobile to contact someone. if they are going to fly into a building then I guess try something, but how can someone know until they are in the situation?

But since im never going to be on a flight to DEnver, i wont become french either =D

The flights original dastination was LA, not Denver. ;)

The all time best thing to end terrorist hijackings is to have the cockpit door seal and locked, have an emergency cabin depressurization switch, and give every third person a transmitter with a button on it that sends a message to the cockpit, then when the pilots depressurization the cabin and every passes out have the co pilot go split their heads with the fire axe.

Well, seeing as how I'll DIE if I don't do anything, and that my actions can save hundreds, perhaps even thousands of lives (although the flight should be from Denver to L.A. I have no clue what's in Denver)...I suppose I'll try and gang up on one man (without the hostage), shout "Allah ackbar" (because I am Muslim), and attempt to disarm him and then work on his comrade.

Then, search for a way to get into the cockpit by any means possible.

Get my extra pair of high heels out of my carry-on bag.
Shove one high heel up each of the four men's ASS!!

Lemme tellya what, high heels can really hurt and get someone's attention if ya know where to place them. All four of them highjackers would be needing shpe-ectomies when I got done kicking their ass!

Screw it, nowadays, if a hijacker takes a plane, the likelihood is you're gonna die anyway...so I'm willing to risk my life in the attempt to SAVE my life.

Hijackings have gone to a new level since 9/11. No longer can I count on getting taken somewhere like Cyprus, or Damascus...and eventually being set free with the other women and children. Now MY life is at risk, too. chances are, the hijackers' intent is to crash the damn plane...which means I'm gonna die.
On the other hand, I can take them on, try to kick their ass, and, while I MIGHT die in the process, there's also a chance to SAVE MY LIFE...and the lives of others. Damned if I'm gonna sit there peacefully, while they steer the plane at the nearest tall skyscraper so that they can wipe my mucilage off the side of a building!!

And iIm betting I'd be far from alone...many other passengers would get up, with the same intent.

I'd be all over them, like stink on shit, and I wouldn't stop until those fuckers were laying REAL STILL...catch my drift?
Wow! I think I'm in love! This gal is hardcore!

The all time best thing to end terrorist hijackings is to have the cockpit door seal and locked, have an emergency cabin depressurization switch, and give every third person a transmitter with a button on it that sends a message to the cockpit, then when the pilots depressurization the cabin and every passes out have the co pilot go split their heads with the fire axe.

Only problem with that is that the oxygen masks drop automatically when cabin pressure drops below 12 P.S.I.
So all the terrorist has to do is grab a mask, and he is not knocked out. Unless you have that override swith ALSO override the dropping of the oxygen masks.

And how, exactly, does the co-pilot, who was up front with the pilot, know for sure which ones are the terrorists, and therefore, which ones' heads to split open with the fire-axe?

Unless people are completely retrained in the way they fly, and handle themselves in a hijack situation, to remain in their seats and press the emergency button. Not likely anymore, people nowadays are more likely to go bezerk in a hijack situation.

My own, better idea is this:
All carry-on luggage is locked in the overhead bins on takeoff, and is not accessible at all durong the flight (sorry, businessmen and gamers, get used to not using that laptop on long flights, this is for your safety) AND...have everyone FLY NAKED!!!

Wow! I think I'm in love! This gal is hardcore!
Thanks! (blush)
I haven't even begun to tell you what sort of fun you can have with a hatpin, a decorative brooch on your lapel...a bobby pin that's in your hair...oh, us gals got weapons you guys don't even KNOW about, trust me.
Those fuckers aren't crashing ME into a building without one HELL of a fight.

Like I say, I do nothing and die anyway. I do something, and I MIGHT die...but I also might save myself...and everyone else. At the very least, I might save thousands on the ground, and thus my death is not in vain.

I'd find me one of the more attractive, surviving stewardesses. We'd hole up in the bathroom or somewhere the puritannical terrorists weren't monitoring with a couple dozen of those miniature bottles of liquor and have a nice flight. :fluffle:

Well, I'd pray that I lived in a nation where firearms (or at the very least, combat knives) are not restricted.

If I did, I'd hope that at least three other people other than the terrorists have the weapons too.

If both conditions are met, defend myself.

Well, I'd pray that I lived in a nation where firearms (or at the very least, combat knives) are not restricted.

If I did, I'd hope that at least three other people other than the terrorists have the weapons too.

If both conditions are met, defend myself.
whether the nation says firearms are illegal or not is irrelevant, you cant bring them on the plane

The flights original dastination was LA, not Denver. ;)


Um.. well um.. uh... hmmm..... WEll i dont liek the west cost in general (no offence) and i dont think ill ever fly there so im stil safe!

My own, better idea is this:
All carry-on luggage is locked in the overhead bins on takeoff, and is not accessible at all durong the flight (sorry, businessmen and gamers, get used to not using that laptop on long flights, this is for your safety) AND...have everyone FLY NAKED!!!

Locking the Overhead baggage wouldnt help, seeing how its checked too so it would just get the Passengers pissed off. The Laptops could be used to connect to the outside world WITHOT screwing with the Planes flight system (like a cellphone, because on some airlines, like Lufthansa, there is High speed interent on all the flights. Teh Cellphones mess with teh planes electronics.) AND HOW IN GODS NAME WIL FLYING NAKED HELP?!??!?! In most countires public nudity is illegal, and seeing a bunch of naked people on an airplane wouldnt be very.... comforting. Plus think of what the "adult entetainment" people would do! NAked children, for gods sake!

Flying naked makes as much sense as, say.. the patriot act!

Anyhow, if I were stuck on a hijacked plane I'd probably do nothing until the hijackers start getting very twitchy, and we all know why they'd start to get twitchy by the end of the flight. When they do, I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in trying to take the plane back now that everyone's seen 9-11. I'm not trying to be brave, but I'm a stubborn italian and I really don't want them to get away with crashing MY plane.

Im a fairly big guy.
You come at me with a box cutter, and Im gonna make you eat it.

I have fingers........you have eyes.

I have knees.....you have a groin.

Even if you had a gun.....
You cant shoot everyone....and I dont think that anyone is just going to quietly allow anyone to hijack a plane anymore.

People ARE sheep......but sheep can be herded.

As others have noted:

We know we'll die if we do nothing.
We may as well die trying something.

Im a fairly big guy.
You come at me with a box cutter, and Im gonna make you eat it.

I have fingers........you have eyes.

I have knees.....you have a groin.

Even if you had a gun.....
You cant shoot everyone....and I dont think that anyone is just going to quietly allow anyone to hijack a plane anymore.

People ARE sheep......but sheep can be herded.
you realize saying sheep can be hearded doesnt support the courage idea

Um.. well um.. uh... hmmm..... WEll i dont liek the west cost in general (no offence) and i dont think ill ever fly there so im stil safe!



Locking the Overhead baggage wouldnt help, seeing how its checked too so it would just get the Passengers pissed off. The Laptops could be used to connect to the outside world WITHOT screwing with the Planes flight system (like a cellphone, because on some airlines, like Lufthansa, there is High speed interent on all the flights. Teh Cellphones mess with teh planes electronics.) AND HOW IN GODS NAME WIL FLYING NAKED HELP?!??!?! In most countires public nudity is illegal, and seeing a bunch of naked people on an airplane wouldnt be very.... comforting. Plus think of what the "adult entetainment" people would do! NAked children, for gods sake!

But you completely missed that this was SATIRE!!
I wasn't seriously suggesting we fly naked. My point was, this would be the only way to insure that weapons are not accessible to terrorists or others on planes.
Did you not see me lead up to that suggestion with things like how much fun can be had with hatpins, brooches, bobby pins...to say nothing of ball-point pens, the blunt end of even a plastic fork will get a terrorist's attention if you jam it in his eye...
A credit card could have one edge sharpened razor-sharp, and kept in a wallet...be useful to slash away...bet I could do some damage that way...wrists and necks are pretty vulnerable to that sort of thing.
this is just some of the low-tech ways in which weapons can be brought on planes. OK, they aren't CONVENTIONAL weapons, true enough...my point was...ANYTHING can be used AS A WEAPON.
Thus, the only way to prevent weapons on planes would be to lock up all carry-on's, and have people fly naked. which, of course, is not going to happen...nor was I seriously suggesting that it should.
You completely missed the satire. Satire, alas, is not as powerful if you have to explain it to dunderheads.

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Items carried/worn traditionally by women that could be used as weapons
lapel pins/brooches
hatpins
bobby pins
high-heeled shoes
earrings for pierced ears (the hooks can make nice impressions in the beady little eyes of terrorists)
acrylic fingernails
engagement rings (the diamond can leave a lasting impression!!)
bracelets (un-hook them, and you basically have a stabbing, jabbing weapon)
and these are just basics, I haven't even gone into more estoteric, more PERSONAL items women have at their disposal.

Items carried/worn traditionally by MEN that could be used as weapons
tie tacks
cuff links
rings with stones
earrings for pierced ears (not as common, of course)
money clips (nice for jabbing at someone's face)
belt buckle (sharpened buckles work even better)
and these are just some basics. Not being a man, I have a harder time coming up with sex-specific examples, but you get the point....

Items carried/worn by EITHER GENDER that could be used as weapons
credit card with sharpened edge
keys
combs (especially the kind that taper off into a nice sharp point at the holding end...)
ball-point pens

And the list goes on from here. Feel free to add to it if you see something I have overlooked.

NOW do you understand why I satirically suggested flying naked?

I would assist in the attack and if the pilots are dead I would land the plane thanks to my training on Microsoft Flight Simulator.

I'd think 'well that extra hour it took me to get through the airport was worth it' before going back to sleep, like I usually do on long flights.

Once I was done with my crying and silent screaming and such. I'd say my goodbyes and I love yous to everyone I love (whether they are there on the plane with me or not) ... and that covers me in pretty much any eventuality. I would then try and silently coax everyone I could to help me attack the 'baddies' in a big mass ... we could all die sitting around doing nothing against them or we could work together to at least get some of us out alive. If no one would help me, I'd cover that 'saying goodbyes and I love yous' again ... and rush them with some of those "Items carried/worn traditionally by women that could be used as weapons" that Labrador was talking about. If I make an impact ... yipee! If I dont, well, I tried to do something for the good of the people on the plane and/or the people who are where eva the plane is heading.

On another note, I have a fear of flying. I'm pretty sure I wont ever go into a plane (without being heavily sedated) ... and this thread details just one of the many reaffirmations of my choice to stay away from them "plane" thingies.

You are enjoying your flight to Los Angeles, sitting in your aisle seat, when four burly, bearded men stand up and brandish knives. They say they are taking this plane back to Denver, Colorado, and the wings tilt as you turn around. Three air hostesses and two buisnessmen try to wrestle them to the ground, but the terrorists kill them all, by blows to the head or slitting their throats. They grab a baby and then say if anyone else tries anything like that they will kill it. The aircraft starts to descend...

What do you do?
I would find the biggest strongest people on the plane. Tell them to that we will rush the terrorists. I'm willing to go first. My sole job, as well as the two or three behind me, will be to either grab the knife away or take it in the ribs were it will get stuck effectively disarming them. As each person rushes forward you just simply have to fall on them ( of course that is as they are stabbing you ).

Hopefully, the child will make it, but after 9-11, we have now have to be worried about thousands of other people.

Sorry to "re-afffirm" your fear of flying Odiumm. In actual fact, the only9-11 style hijackings were 9/11. There were none before that, and there havent (touch wood) been any since. So the chances are pretty low. Al-qaeda probaly won't try it again because of all the extra security, and wht has been said in this thread. When I get onto an aircraft, I look to see if anyone supicious is boarding too. We are prepared. Terrorists or hijackers dopn't stand a chance.

HOWEVER, what labrador said brings up a good point - the security checks won't do any good if the hijackers use ordinary items. There is an obvious solution to this - take as many of those items as you can, so if you are hijacked, you can out-number them!

When I went to Germany to weeks ago, someone I was going with claimed that the X-ray machine didn't pick up the penknife that was in his bag.

Security lapse? You decide.

No such faffing around at the German end on the return journey - ALL of us were frisked, even though the alarm didn't go off. Several bags were also opened and checked.

Once I was done with my crying and silent screaming and such. I'd say my goodbyes and I love yous to everyone I love (whether they are there on the plane with me or not) ... and that covers me in pretty much any eventuality. I would then try and silently coax everyone I could to help me attack the 'baddies' in a big mass ... we could all die sitting around doing nothing against them or we could work together to at least get some of us out alive. If no one would help me, I'd cover that 'saying goodbyes and I love yous' again ... and rush them with some of those "Items carried/worn traditionally by women that could be used as weapons" that Labrador was talking about. If I make an impact ... yipee! If I dont, well, I tried to do something for the good of the people on the plane and/or the people who are where eva the plane is heading.

On another note, I have a fear of flying. I'm pretty sure I wont ever go into a plane (without being heavily sedated) ... and this thread details just one of the many reaffirmations of my choice to stay away from them "plane" thingies.

Planes are extremely safe.

Cars are way more dangerous, do you refuse to ride in cars too?

you realize saying sheep can be hearded doesnt support the courage idea


Sure it does.

Courage comes from numbers.
Most people before 9/11 would have sit quietly and hoped the bad people would go away.
These days all it takes is one passenger to yell.."Theres four of them, and thirty of us! Let's Get Em!!!"

Herding the sheep.

Wow! I'd feel so safe with all you brave men and women around me. I'd just sit tight and enjoy the carnage because there'd be so many people attacking the hijackers that one more would probably just get in the way. Besides, what's the point of risking yourself if others are risking themselves. Afterwards I'd probably help with the wounded so I can get blood on my clothes (note to self: don't wear black on flights) and accidentally cut myself (a cheek or forehead would look good on the pictures) on something so I can brag to the media and my friends claiming I actually did something. Then I'd run for public office.

Wow! I'd feel so safe with all you brave men and women around me. I'd just sit tight and enjoy the carnage because there'd be so many people attacking the hijackers that one more would probably just get in the way. Besides, what's the point of risking yourself if others are risking themselves. Afterwards I'd probably help with the wounded so I can get blood on my clothes (note to self: don't wear black on flights) and accidentally cut myself (a cheek or forehead would look good on the pictures) on something so I can brag to the media and my friends claiming I actually did something. Then I'd run for public office.

So brave! So selfless! Clasps hands together and blinks at Dalekia

/SARCASM

I HAVE AN AIRPLANE ?!?!?!?!

WOW













anyway if anyone has seen the movie S.W.A.T (awful) the i would have some people do that kinda stuff

Wow! I'd feel so safe with all you brave men and women around me. I'd just sit tight and enjoy the carnage because there'd be so many people attacking the hijackers that one more would probably just get in the way. Besides, what's the point of risking yourself if others are risking themselves. Afterwards I'd probably help with the wounded so I can get blood on my clothes (note to self: don't wear black on flights) and accidentally cut myself (a cheek or forehead would look good on the pictures) on something so I can brag to the media and my friends claiming I actually did something. Then I'd run for public office.
Makes me think of John Kerry.

shoot them each in the head with my pistol. :mp5:

shoot them each in the head with my pistol. :mp5:
Notwithstanding you wouldn't get it past airport security (hopefully).

anyway if anyone has seen the movie S.W.A.T (awful) the i would have some people do that kinda stuff
You mean crawl around the outside of the plane, entering through the cockpit and external service doors?

Planes are extremely safe.

Cars are way more dangerous, do you refuse to ride in cars too?I dont know how this was intended to sound, but it does sound an aweful lot like you think my fear is stupid. -Sarcasm- Sorry that my fear is soo stupid to you.

If you didnt mean for it to come across that way, then all is kewl.

Either way, to answer your statement ... I am also afraid of heights. Hence, the planes and heights fear thing kinda go hand in hand. So, my fear of flying is mostly because of how far above the ground I am, and how far down it is if something does go wrong.

Sorry to "re-afffirm" your fear of flying Odiumm. Lol. Tis all good.

You didnt re-affirm my fear, the fact that this stuff actually has happend re-affirmed my fear.

Planes themselves arent scary, its just the fact that they are up so damn high that is scary. Lots further to fall.

*Notices how much of an optimist I seem, hmmm :p*

I'd head down the back, find one of those food carts, get behind it, run up the aisle with it and try to crush one of the bastards.

Then I'd claw their eyes out, because I just have this whole 'eyeball (non-sexual) fetish'. Mmmmmeyeballs.

I'd also be doing a heck of a lot of biting and clawing and just general berzerker actions. I literally live almost on adrenaline alone, so when I freak out, I freak out royally. And if I'm about to die anyway, I see no reason at all to hold back in anyway.

Look pretty scared which wont be hard, avoid eye contact then as soon as one of the terrorists comes near me, grab him by the throat and smash him backwards into another terrorist hopefully, hopefully this will galvanise the other passengers into having another attempt at taking the terrorists, lets face it there are only 4 of them and say 50 passengers, who will be dead anyway if they sit still in their own piss, if everyone all got up and attacked them at the same time the terrorists would be taken down in no time at all, the baby would probably die sadly as would more passangers, but at least you would be on the way to getting the plane back and saving people on the ground.
They arent armed with guns, just knives, so a few stab wounds to people will be expected
If the terrorists didnt come near my seat I would get up and charge one, and probably get stabbed.

Shit my pants, dive in, and swim.

Hopefully, I'd have the balls to do something about it, and the skills to do so effectively, but having never been in that situation, I can make no claims.

The answer of course is die, which is all anyone could expect out of a muck up like that, hopefull though i would try to go out doing something useful.

Sorry to "re-afffirm" your fear of flying Odiumm. In actual fact, the only9-11 style hijackings were 9/11. There were none before that, and there havent (touch wood) been any since. So the chances are pretty low. Al-qaeda probaly won't try it again because of all the extra security, and wht has been said in this thread. When I get onto an aircraft, I look to see if anyone supicious is boarding too. We are prepared. Terrorists or hijackers dopn't stand a chance.

HOWEVER, what labrador said brings up a good point - the security checks won't do any good if the hijackers use ordinary items. There is an obvious solution to this - take as many of those items as you can, so if you are hijacked, you can out-number them!

When I went to Germany to weeks ago, someone I was going with claimed that the X-ray machine didn't pick up the penknife that was in his bag.

Security lapse? You decide.

No such faffing around at the German end on the return journey - ALL of us were frisked, even though the alarm didn't go off. Several bags were also opened and checked.

Didn't pick up the penknife, huh?
and we wait in HOW long lines, and thru HOW many delays for this farce called "security?"
And, besides, as I have already pointed out...ANYTHING CAN BE USED AS A WEAPON!!
What if they are all carrying normal items? Itmes that have been slightly modified to make them into more effective weapons, i.e. credit card with sharpened edge, sharpened belt buckle...things no security are likely to notice...even if they DO pick you out for "extra screening."
I bet, if you don't get picked for extra screening, you could probably get away with a piece of broken glass in your pocket...
Point being, terrorists intent on bringing "weapons" on board planes, will not likely have a lot of trouble doing it.
We Americans place so much value on VISIBLE SECURITY that we fail to see that it isn't REALLY making us all that much safer! Those intent on doing us harm can ALWAYS find a way around security, and it only serves to inconvenience and delay law-abiding people, and allows the government to further stick it's nose into your life and background...and to fuck with anyone they feel like fucking with.
which is why I satirically suggested the flying naked thing, because THAT, quite literally, would be the ONLY WAY that you could avoid anyone having any weapons. You'd also have to not feed anyone...or feed them finger foods only...and about the only drinks you could get on a plane would have to be served in juice-box type containers (a foil bladder) and, even then, the STRAW could conceivably become a weapon.
MY point is...we ought to be looking for TERRORISTS...not weapons. And, that means we need to concentrate our limited resources on screening those that fit the profile of the likely terrorist. Sorry to my P.C. constituency, I just suggested....(gasp) PROFILING!!
Well, I really do not see any other really viable solution. The Arabs have declared war on us...ALL of us! We are ALL soldiers now, whether we like it or not. The Arabs signed us up as soldiers when they targeted innocent civilians.
And we need to profile them, I don't care WHAT ACLU, CAIR or any of the others say...we need to profile them. when the Swedes start talking about how many Amerians they want to kill, we can start profiling Swedes, too.

You are enjoying your flight to Los Angeles, sitting in your aisle seat, when four burly, bearded men stand up and brandish knives. They say they are taking this plane back to Denver, Colorado, and the wings tilt as you turn around. Three air hostesses and two buisnessmen try to wrestle them to the ground, but the terrorists kill them all, by blows to the head or slitting their throats. They grab a baby and then say if anyone else tries anything like that they will kill it. The aircraft starts to descend...

What do you do?

Seems as we're all about to die anyway(?) I'd go for one of they're beards, and, with his own knife chop it off.

As we all know terrorists are the only people who wear said evil beards the spell would be broken, and he would help us shave the other two. The plane would land, and the world press would urge all males to shear any extremist facial hair immediately.

All would emerge heroes for winning the war against terror(TM). The end.

Planes are extremely safe.

Cars are way more dangerous, do you refuse to ride in cars too?

Cars are at least controlled by the operator, and you are NOT putting your life into someone else's hands. And cars do not auger into buildings or fields at 600 MPH!!
I, too, avoid flying when it is at all possible, for I, too, have a great fear of flying since 9/11.
I used to fly six to eight times a year, and loved it. Thought nothing of it.
NOW, since 9/11, I have made two round trips on planes...and they were not avoidable. If time or other conditions permit, I'll DRIVE...I don't care how far it is. I share the fear of flying. I'm white-knuckled on flights anymore.
I flew once from my home in Austin, Texas, to Dallas, Texas, to Chicago, and connected to Newark, NJ. Then the same on the return flight. I also once traveled Austin to Denver...Denver to Seattle, Seattle to Tokyo, and Tokyo to Bangkok, Thailand...and then the same on the return flight.
And even when I did THAT...I had no real alternative, because of time constraints on the NJ flight...and the fact that one cannot DRIVE to Bangkok.
and when I took those flights, I did one other thing...I scheduled ALL my flights in such a way as to make sure I was ONLY flying on either a Saturday or a Sunday.
I did this because I thought like a terrorist. To fight them, one must think like them. And I thought...if I want to crash a plane into a building, and make a statement, obviously, I want to harm as many civilians as I possibly can. Buildings tend to be far less occupied on weekends. Also, I scheduled them to make as many stops as possible on the way...less jet-fuel in the planes that way. Basically, I wanted to fly on flights that would be the least attractive, from a terrorist's point of view...to hijack.
As I used to work for U.S. Customs, I have a good idea on how to think like those who would harm us. We used to have exercises where we would think up ways around security...so that WE could find and fix the loopholes BEFORE terrorists discovered and USED the loopholes.

Wow! I'd feel so safe with all you brave men and women around me. I'd just sit tight and enjoy the carnage because there'd be so many people attacking the hijackers that one more would probably just get in the way. Besides, what's the point of risking yourself if others are risking themselves. Afterwards I'd probably help with the wounded so I can get blood on my clothes (note to self: don't wear black on flights) and accidentally cut myself (a cheek or forehead would look good on the pictures) on something so I can brag to the media and my friends claiming I actually did something. Then I'd run for public office.
If you did something like that, and I survived, I PROMISE I would expose you for the yellowbellied, slime-sucking coward you are!
So help me, if it was the last thing I did, I'd expose you!

Makes me think of John Kerry.

Actually, I was thinking that it made me think of George Bush.
At least Kerry WENT to Vietnam. More than I can say for Bush, who used his influence to get into the Texas Air Guard, out at Camp Mabry, here in Austin, and keep his little butt safe! Kerry had an influential family, he could've gone that way, too...but didn't.
And you Republicans went off on Clinton for EIGHT YEARS about being a draft-dodger. Wasn't okay when it was a DEMOCRAT...but when it's YOUR BOY...a Republican...who was equally a draft-dodger, suddenly you don't want to talk about it. Hmmmmm....
And you accuse US of having a double standard??

I'd head down the back, find one of those food carts, get behind it, run up the aisle with it and try to crush one of the bastards.

Then I'd claw their eyes out, because I just have this whole 'eyeball (non-sexual) fetish'. Mmmmmeyeballs.

I'd also be doing a heck of a lot of biting and clawing and just general berzerker actions. I literally live almost on adrenaline alone, so when I freak out, I freak out royally. And if I'm about to die anyway, I see no reason at all to hold back in anyway.

EXCELLENT!! I never even thought of the food cart!!
Good deal, bro! Hey, by the way, the hot pot of coffee on that food cart might be good to throw in their faces!
And you could bust the little bottles of alcomahol, and use them to stab and jab!

I would whip out my duty free 1 litre bottle of johnny walker (i'm from australia, so assuming i went to LA i would buy a bottle of johnny on the way there)

those things are fucking dangerous... between a person with that and a person with a knife... it's a close call which i'd rather face.

Well you get one carry-on bag...I'll make mine a parachute from now on...

Mmmh. Johnny Walker.


Well, I'm giving them ideas, but why dont these hijacking terrorists learn advanced martial arts? Lethal weapons and no smuggling required.

Well, I'm giving them ideas, but why dont these hijacking terrorists learn advanced martial arts? Lethal weapons and no smuggling required.
What makes you think that they don´t know them? Weapons are just more effective. Threatening to snap someones neck isn't as effective.

Actually, I was thinking that it made me think of George Bush.
At least Kerry WENT to Vietnam. More than I can say for Bush, who used his influence to get into the Texas Air Guard, out at Camp Mabry, here in Austin, and keep his little butt safe! Kerry had an influential family, he could've gone that way, too...but didn't.
And you Republicans went off on Clinton for EIGHT YEARS about being a draft-dodger. Wasn't okay when it was a DEMOCRAT...but when it's YOUR BOY...a Republican...who was equally a draft-dodger, suddenly you don't want to talk about it. Hmmmmm....
And you accuse US of having a double standard??
When did I ever say that Bush did nothing wrong?

Sorry to "re-afffirm" your fear of flying Odiumm. In actual fact, the only9-11 style hijackings were 9/11. There were none before that, and there havent (touch wood) been any since. So the chances are pretty low. Al-qaeda probaly won't try it again because of all the extra security, and wht has been said in this thread. When I get onto an aircraft, I look to see if anyone supicious is boarding too. We are prepared. Terrorists or hijackers dopn't stand a chance.

HOWEVER, what labrador said brings up a good point - the security checks won't do any good if the hijackers use ordinary items. There is an obvious solution to this - take as many of those items as you can, so if you are hijacked, you can out-number them!

When I went to Germany to weeks ago, someone I was going with claimed that the X-ray machine didn't pick up the penknife that was in his bag.

Security lapse? You decide.

No such faffing around at the German end on the return journey - ALL of us were frisked, even though the alarm didn't go off. Several bags were also opened and checked.

no one will ever hijack a plane with a box cutter again. that worked only because in the past it was assumed that hijackers merely wanted to divert a plane's course. that no one would get killed

now we have to assume that the hijackers intend to kill everyone on the plane by crashing it into some important building somewhere

to get a plane now you would have to kill everyone on board first.
this makes penknives, box cutters, tweezers, inkpens, and drop dead looks irrelevant.

planes will be blown up. no way to completely prevent that.

but no more hijackings without disabling everyone on board. the 80 year old nun saying the rosary next to you would die trying to get that knife away from the hijackers.

When did I ever say that Bush did nothing wrong?
But you DIDN'T say that BUSH never did anything wrong. you only pointed out Kerry's supposed shortcoming, and failed to note Bush's.
Omission is as bad in my book.
This is gonna be a low-down, dirty bloody battle in November, and it's gonna be close.

And if Bush wins, I'm slitting my throat!

If it comes to a choice of being killed slowly by another four years of George Bush and his rotten economic policies...or dying quickly and getting it over with, I'll take the quick way, thank you very much!

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR - I CANNOT ABIDE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF GEORGE W. BUSH...AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT CANNOT SURVIVE FOUR MORE YEARS OF BUSH!!

Yeah well tough, hes getting in again because Kerrys a weak homo loving baby murder inc. supporter, with a crazy bitch of a wife too, at least Bush despite other faults is a strong leader with decent christian morals, if you dont like it move to the Middle east with all your terrorist friends.

Yeah well tough, hes getting in again because Kerrys a weak homo loving baby murder inc. supporter, with a crazy bitch of a wife too, at least Bush despite other faults is a strong leader with decent christian morals, if you dont like it move to the Middle east with all your terrorist friends.

That's right! All yous who don't support our holy god-sent leader George Bush is a baby-murdering terrorist!

You idiot, what do terrorists have to do with abortion?
Go smoke some more stuff stupid.

Yeah well tough, hes getting in again because Kerrys a weak homo loving baby murder inc. supporter, with a crazy bitch of a wife too, at least Bush despite other faults is a strong leader with decent christian morals, if you dont like it move to the Middle east with all your terrorist friends.
Enjoy your one-way trip to Ignoreland, courtesy of ValuJet. Your remarks aren't worthy of anything else.
If I were as fluent in languages as Teresa is, I'd tell you to "shove it" in five different languages!

That's right! All yous who don't support our holy god-sent leader George Bush is a baby-murdering terrorist!
You forgot homo loving INC.

Kerry is a Socialist!
A Socialists' viewpoint is always shown with a
Fuzzy, "We love children and want to help the poor"
attitude. Every politician that leans this
way is out to make himself look like a "Man of the people"
"We're going to make sure MORE money goes to the Education
system, or for the Underprivelaged. These are all
catch phrases for, "Dumping money to make me look good."
But why shouldn't they? Well, IT'S REALLY EASY TO GIVE
MONEY AWAY THAT DIDN'T BELONG TO YOU IN THE FIRST
PLACE, MONEY THAT YOU DIDN'T WORK FOR.
Don't tax MY life away so that you can give it to programs
that you DEEM fit. If I want to give MY money to people that
need it i will, and DO. BUT it's NOT the Government's job
to decide to take what they want of mine and give it to whomever
just because they know better than Me what to do with my money.
I agree with programs to help people, but it needs to be my choice.
Kerry does not know what's best for us, we do.

[QUOTE=Labrador]Get my extra pair of high heels out of my carry-on bag.
Shove one high heel up each of the four men's ASS!!-

Why does the thought of getting a high-heel up my arse turn me on?

Kerry is a Socialist!
A Socialists' viewpoint is always shown with a
Fuzzy, "We love children and want to help the poor"
attitude. Every politician that leans this
way is out to make himself look like a "Man of the people"
"We're going to make sure MORE money goes to the Education
system, or for the Underprivelaged. These are all
catch phrases for, "Dumping money to make me look good."
But why shouldn't they? Well, IT'S REALLY EASY TO GIVE
MONEY AWAY THAT DIDN'T BELONG TO YOU IN THE FIRST
PLACE, MONEY THAT YOU DIDN'T WORK FOR.
Don't tax MY life away so that you can give it to programs
that you DEEM fit. If I want to give MY money to people that
need it i will, and DO. BUT it's NOT the Government's job
to decide to take what they want of mine and give it to whomever
just because they know better than Me what to do with my money.
I agree with programs to help people, but it needs to be my choice.
Kerry does not know what's best for us, we do.

Better a Socialist than a fascist like Bush.

Welcome to Ignore Island.

Have a nice flight?

Oh boohoo Labrador, go kiss some more fundementalist Muslims butt coward.

The truth is, nobody would no what they would do until they were actually in that situation.

Well you either act or do nothing

Um guys, this is the Wrong thread to be debating the election :P

Oh, and just for the record, the states only use 12% of the education money given to them by the Government. The rest gets lost somehow in the process of giving it to schools.

Well to answer the question of the post. Lets just say if I was successful in my actions, Mr. Terrorist would be exiting the plane via the stairs head first.

How many terrorists are there on a plane? How many passengers are on a plane? Even if the terrorists all had SMG's, they have limited ammunition, which needs reloading, and they could not possibly kill everybody on board. There is no explosive decompression on an aircraft unless there is an explosion. Ever seen Myth Busters? It took a parcel of explosives to cause anything instantly lethal. At most, you would get stuck to the wall of the compartment. It is called a mob. A mob of fifty or more can DEFINITELY resist armed takeover. Riot police need shields and numbers to put down motivated demonstators. And who cares about knives? They are slow. People only die when they believe they are powerless. And giving guns to pilot won't cause harm to anybody but the baddies.

Look, with the additional security, there is no way a bunch of terrorists are getting SMGs on the plane. All they could possibly bring would be a knife or maybe a shoe bomb. If it was a knife, well, that's not such a big deal. I knife hurts, but I have been stabbed before, and believe me it takes a lot to kill you with a knife. Especially if it is a little one. Now, a gun would be kinda nasty. One of my best friends was shot in the shoulder once, but he still broke the arm of the guy with the gun. So, if you are pissed enough, anything that doesn't kill you on the spot won't be too bad, courtesy of adrenaline. Granted, you will probably die after the adrenaline wears off. If it's a bomb, well, I have seen a demonstration of a shoe bomb going off, and trust me, its bad. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the guy. However, if necessary, I suppose the best thing you could do would be like if you were in war and you jumped on a grenade to save the lives of your friends. I guess you would, uh, jump on his foot? Dunno. But it would f--- you up pretty bad.

Thats correct Imperial, an angry mob of twenty will easily overpower 4 terrorists, activating the angry mob mentality in this day and age where every natural survival instinct has been suffocated and tampered with from the age of a young child is another thing, meaning kids been wrongly taught in schools and at home that all aggression is bad and should not be incouraged.
How many people in those planes(not counting the one that crashed in a field) died without even leaving their seats, we kid ourselves these days when we say were more intelligent, in some ways yes, but in others we have forgotten very basic skills in physical empowerment, and the ability to disable someone as a group, these poor people on the planes went to their deaths like dumb animals with no ability at all to save themselves.

Kill the bastards or die trying. I doubt the situation as you describe it would ever again come to pass. The terrorists wouldn't face four passengers, they'd face them all! They would be almost instantly subdued and possible thrown out of the plane.

Pull out my 45 caliber pistol and blast them!

Look, with the additional security, there is no way a bunch of terrorists are getting SMGs on the plane. All they could possibly bring would be a knife or maybe a shoe bomb. If it was a knife, well, that's not such a big deal. I knife hurts, but I have been stabbed before, and believe me it takes a lot to kill you with a knife. Especially if it is a little one. Now, a gun would be kinda nasty. One of my best friends was shot in the shoulder once, but he still broke the arm of the guy with the gun. So, if you are pissed enough, anything that doesn't kill you on the spot won't be too bad, courtesy of adrenaline. Granted, you will probably die after the adrenaline wears off. If it's a bomb, well, I have seen a demonstration of a shoe bomb going off, and trust me, its bad. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the guy. However, if necessary, I suppose the best thing you could do would be like if you were in war and you jumped on a grenade to save the lives of your friends. I guess you would, uh, jump on his foot? Dunno. But it would f--- you up pretty bad.


Reporters have been sneaking items on planes to prove it can still be done.

They say you have a 60% chance for getting a knife on. A 40% chance for a gun, and a 20-25% chance for an explosive device.

Scary!

Karate chop across the first terrorists throat, then throw him over your shoulder breaking his arm in a hyperextension of the elbow into the second terrorist, followed by a flying kick to the third ones head resulting in a satisfying neck breakage, grab the knife that falls out of his hand and throw it with unerring accuracy into middle of the fouth ones forehead, then a testical crushing kick to the groin of the second one followed by a knee that drives his nosebone through his brain as he screams out for allah, adjust tie.

Terrorists hijack YOUR airplane - what do YOU do?

Bat my eye lids and promise them sex if they let me live? haha j/k :p

Karate chop across the first terrorists throat, then throw him over your shoulder breaking his arm in a hyperextension of the elbow into the second terrorist, followed by a flying kick to the third ones head resulting in a satisfying neck breakage, grab the knife that falls out of his hand and throw it with unerring accuracy into middle of the fouth ones forehead, then a testical crushing kick to the groin of the second one followed by a knee that drives his nosebone through his brain as he screams out for allah, adjust tie.

Alright, Bruce Lee.

I attack.

The only reason 9/11 worked is because the Saudis changed the rules.

Basically, you kept quiet and the only thing to fear was a statement execution or a botched rescue.

Look what happened to Richard Reed.....

The only thing to fear is fear itself, which totally freezes you, anything else can be taken care of with adrenalin, the terrorists are only human beings not invincible creatures that cannot feel pain, give them pain back, see how they like it.
And dont buy the PC rubbish that says by using violence your as bad as them or you will be like them somehow afterwards, thats just brainwashing new age garbage circulated by cowards to somehow justify their own gutlessness in failing to act in a life threatening situation.
You will be not be as bad as them because you never wanted to hurt an innocent person, the terrorists however are not innocent people, they are gutless murderers of innocent people and so should be dealt with like the scum they are.

This reminds me of a dream i had. the thing i did thou was sizzle a hole in the plane and jump out. previding that i pop from the lack of altitude, freeze to death or just go down with an old fashioned 'Splat' on the ground. go figure

You are enjoying your flight to Los Angeles, sitting in your aisle seat, when four burly, bearded men stand up and brandish knives. They say they are taking this plane back to Denver, Colorado, and the wings tilt as you turn around. Three air hostesses and two buisnessmen try to wrestle them to the ground, but the terrorists kill them all, by blows to the head or slitting their throats. They grab a baby and then say if anyone else tries anything like that they will kill it. The aircraft starts to descend...

What do you do?

shoulder barge them when they walk past, or chuck cans at there head and may be sling a sock full of change at their heads and then probably get killed

Go into murderous rage, kill one with a simple death blow my father taught me and then stab the rest while singing the theme tune from Eva.

Noone would want to deal with that and you avoid possible prosecution because you can plead insanity.

Simple. I panic.

(At least I'm being honest here.)

As was I, dont assume things about people you know nothing about, I was joking about the Bruce Lee stuff I said on here earlier, but I know how to disable someone with a weapon and when to act apon my instincts .

If I was on the plane, I'd probably be with say, four or five friends. Knowing that, we'd all go to the back and find the pop cans. Start decking em at the terrorist bastards, and when the fuckers decide to rush... Hell, I'm a black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do (1st degree), and we're taught brutal but effective ways to disarm men with knives. And the fact that they probably killed the baby is going to piss a lot of people off, and lets face it, I don't know about ya'll, but Latinos and Asians (that I know of) try their damndest to protect children, which gives more reason to get pissed off.

well... me i have 20 years of martial arts experience, a combination of 5 years of wrestling , 15 years of aiki ju jutsu, 2 years of kick boxing, 2 years of kempo and smattering of judo, wing chun and aikido. plus i spent 5 years in the army and 3 years working as a bouncer. i ran my own dojo for 3 years and was the senior student instructor at my senseis dojo for 5 years. i have asneaking suspicion that i'd figure somthing out.

http://www.pbase.com/gunncb/rma

i am on page 3.

well... me i have 20 years of martial arts experience, a combination of 5 years of wrestling , 15 years of aiki ju jutsu, 2 years of kick boxing, 2 years of kempo and smattering of judo, wing chun and aikido. plus i spent 5 years in the army and 3 years working as a bouncer. i ran my own dojo for 3 years and was the senior student instructor at my senseis dojo for 5 years. i have asneaking suspicion that i'd figure somthing out.

http://www.pbase.com/gunncb/rma

i am on page 3.

Wow, you kicked my ass man. I only got 3 years in Tae-Kwon-Do and 2 years in Karate. Are there any styles that you can think of that teach counters specifically to knives?

Wow, you kicked my ass man. I only got 3 years in Tae-Kwon-Do and 2 years in Karate. Are there any styles that you can think of that teach counters specifically to knives?

Defendo was created specifially as a Western battlefield martial art and thus is for use against knives, swords, bayonets and unarmed.
Although it's pretty crap against machine guns.

yes. most philipino style teach weapons first, and only after hand to hand. arnis, cali and the various forms of silat. defendo , combato etc are all basically bunk designed to take advantage of people who dont know very much. if there is a dog brothers school near you check it out. for weapons, they win hands down imho.

I'd shit myself

Hmm, this would be a tough one. I would probably take some pencils out of my carry-on and hand them to a few willing to charge. I could also take the blade off my pencil sharpener (yes, it can be taken past security) and fasten it to something to make a knife like device. I could also instrust others to tear apart the aluminum cans from their sodas and use them as cutting devices, and we would charge.

I would rather die trying to stop them and get a book made about me and have people worship my dead body than just be one of the victims. Plus, if I survived, I would have a good story to tell people.

Since it is extremely difficult and also unwise to use guns and projectile weapons on a plane, the danger a terrorist poses is reduced. Furthermore, they are likely armed with a very puny cutting tool.
I would say it were probably very easy if several passengers banded together to incapacitate the terrorists.....

I would show them some hentai. I doubt they would last long against that.

well... me i have 20 years of martial arts experience, a combination of 5 years of wrestling , 15 years of aiki ju jutsu, 2 years of kick boxing, 2 years of kempo and smattering of judo, wing chun and aikido. plus i spent 5 years in the army and 3 years working as a bouncer. i ran my own dojo for 3 years and was the senior student instructor at my senseis dojo for 5 years. i have asneaking suspicion that i'd figure somthing out.

http://www.pbase.com/gunncb/rma

i am on page 3.
Have you heard the phrase "Jack of all trades,master of none" ?
Is it not better to concentrate on one or two styles and practice religously,rather than dabble in 5 or 6?

I dont think he dabbles in it mate

The esiest thing you can do, if lets say they all have boxcutters, is the drinks. If the plane has carpeting it will be harder, you just pour as much out, and when one of them slips, you put your entire body on them. Fat people are best for this. Just stand on their neck. Get 3 300lb people to stand on one. then get more people to go after the other 4 terrorist.

Once that one is dead from the fat people, use the fat people on the next one you take down, except tell them to jump on him. as there are 2 left they will retreat to the front of the plane, or back. hopefully you can get some large people to stand in their way as you slowly surround them and methodically beat them to death.

The last one left will enjoy the ultimate punishment as he has his knees busted, his eyes gouged out, his eardrums busted, and his fingers smashed. after that you may, depending upon who you are, begin using soda cans as baboo chuts up his fingernails. and when the FBI apprehends him, there will be no need for interrogation, and this will spread fear all througout the terrorist sects.

Mess with us, and you end up a bloody pulp. We dont let you all die at once either, we torment you. Our culture has the weight to do some damage, lets use it.

There are alot of fat people in my country too, too many really, but I see what you mean, a third of my countrys adults are very over weight, and half of them are obese, so that means on the plane their should be at least 6 obese people who after charging like wild elephants at the terrorists and subduing them will simply then sit on them until the plane lands.

And terrorists are a skinny bunch. I've seen them in films and tv. They wouldn't stand a chance against 150 kgs slowly charging at them. They'd quickly resemble pancakes. Mmm... Pancakes. With icecream and jam.

if they were penknives, or plastic knives (like the ones i heard were used in 9/11) id consider beating the crap out of them.

And terrorists are a skinny bunch. I've seen them in films and tv. They wouldn't stand a chance against 150 kgs slowly charging at them. They'd quickly resemble pancakes. Mmm... Pancakes. With icecream and jam.
Thats it, let the fat people just eat them! :)

I would wait till the terrorist had his back to me, and i would charge him down and use the knife to cut his heart out.

then walk up to the other terroist, throw the heart in his face and stab every drop of blood out of him.

if their are any more, i think they wouldnt be able to take on a whole plane.

the terroist attacks could have been avoided if ppl would take matters into their own hands, they were all going to die, why not get up and fight for your life?? or cant you people do that?

I would tell the fatest guy there (and let's face it, we're in America, so there's bound to be a few to choose from) to run as fast as possible at the hijackers and land on them. I would then jump on top...no wait I'd get another fat guy to jump on top, and another, and another. That should pretty much settle it. Terrorist pancakes.

But seriously, I would get a fat guy to shield the rest of us. When he falls it would take at least one hijacker out and give the rest of us a chance with the other two. A slash wound is less likely to be fatal with all that fat protecting him. Use the pillows and life-jackets for protection and the plastic knifes for weapons - if it was a matter of life and death I'm sure you could find the strength to ram one of those things into someone's eye. I know I'd have no qualms.
As for the baby, well using the philosophical principal of rationalisation, surely it's better for one baby to die if it meant the safety and continual living of all the other babies/children/adults on board and whatever building they might fly into. So it wouldn't bother me.

Originally posted by: The Titan AE
I'd shit myself
Not a bad idea, then you could fling it at the terrorists. :mp5: That should stop them long enough for the black belt contingent in Row B and C to stop telling each other how tough they are and how many years experience they're got to do something ;) Unless they don't like punching/kicking/gouging ppl with poo-poo all over their face.

Go out with a bang jump them I don't know but I would most likely go beserk after they grabed the baby, and I would most likely dies while being stabbed but I would probably mange killing one.

One point no-ones mentioned is that as it was hijacked in US airspace, the plane'll probably be shot down within a few minutes of it being hijacked. So you'd only have a small window of opportunity to mobilise those fat guys to rush the terrorists. I figure the best way is to tell them that there's an "All you can eat" buffet taking place in first class (or whatever class is behind the hijackers). They'll get crushed in the stampede.

I'd call International Rescue. We'd have Thunderbird 1 at the scene within minutes. Scott would know what to do...

Failing that (if they're late from gang-banging Penelope, or shooting the poor for sport or something...), I'd wait until one of them had his back to me, then strangle him by either crushing his windpipe with my BARE HANDS(wwrroooaarrggh!!) , or using a shoelace as a garotte. Then I'd take his knife and rally the other passengers to help, seeing one die will give them hope, and from then it's just a matter of time, luck and John Woo coreography.

You knows it, clart.

Make it compulsory for at least two incredibly fat people to be on every plane.

Make it compulsory for at least two incredibly fat people to be on every plane.
I guess probability takes care of this. Most western countries have such a high ratio of fat people that It's almost certain that a few of them slip on every flight (although some airlines bill obese people more. Now that should be banned). Tremble, you Mediterranean nations, with your healthy diets that make you skinny.

The way I see this, fat is the only good solution here. Even though you know kung-fu moves, you still have a good change of getting killed if you're the first to move (even ninjas respect death). The terrorists know that if they are attacked by all the passengers, they don't stand a chance, so its in their interest to kill the first guy who stands up as an example to the rest. Now, when everyone knows this, it makes sense to wait for someone else to stand up first, and when everybody is waiting for someone else...

I'm a bit concerned that nobody seems to have mentioned this...

dig out my mobile telephone from the bag where it has been sitting turned off to comply with in-flight regulations, turn it on quietly and subtley (because we all know that it doesnt really do anything to affect the flight systems) then call the authorities, or if I was being watched too closely, send a text message with one hand to somebody else to get them to call the authorities.

"Erm, high, I'm on this flight, it's been taken over by terrorists, thought you might like to know."

then even if the pile-on strategy fails, we might have been able to get a warning out and stop this plane being used as a missile.

Actually though, I tend to agree that it's unlikely that a large plane will be use in the same manner as 9/11 again.

Umm pictures fighter jets firing missles at plane ten min after call.. no
At least try to take the plane back first, and if you see someone stand up to do something, then get up to help too, not 5 seconds later but straight away.