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every time somebody posts a link to http://www.politicalcompass.org/, we have a rush of people posting their scores. i've been wondering about the actual distribution of scores: of all the general forum users, of nationstates players, and of people in general, etc. i started collecting scores from the most recent topic on it, but decided it would be easier to have a topic devoted explicitly to collecting them.

so come on guys, indulge my geekdom. especially you right-leaners and authoritarians. take the test and bring your friends along.

my score this time
econ: -9.75
social: -8.62


the work in progress

*streaks through thread*

Just 'cause I'm bored...

Economic Left/Right: -9.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.15

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26

"Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.08"

I´m standing firm to my believes even if - and especially when - I´m in the minority.

Just 'cause I'm bored...

Economic Left/Right: -9.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.15

Close to me Hattia :). On the graph, right on the bottom left hand side, there is one that is -10,-10, well, i'm the one a little bit above that.

edit- Interesting that theres a strong correlation between left wing and libertarian, and (presumably, according to the trendline) right wing and authoritarian.

Economic left/right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

There we go....well, I've got a bit more commie since I last did the test.

Economic Left/Right: -8.81
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

I'm not one bit suprised, I mean, I am a New Deal type Democrat.

Economic Left/Right: 6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.26

I am definitely a Thatcherite.

Economic left/right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

There we go....well, I've got a bit more commie since I last did the test.

Why is that then? You want more goverment control over the economy?

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92

I would probably rate myself as something like -9/-9.

I knew I was centrist, but I figured I was right of dead center...

Economic: -0.88
Social: -0.51

Yeesh.

Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

Not surprised...

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

Economic: 0
Social: -1

I suspect this is going to be fairly typical score,

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15

Economic Left/Right 6.75
Social Left/Right 2.72

I figured I would be more conservative socially but many of the social questions were difficult for me because I agreed with part of the statement but not the other.

Economic Left/Right: 3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

... Doesn't anyone else think economic freedom is still compatible with personal freedom? ;)

I'm -1ish in both directions.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.21

Apparently me and pope john paul II are thinking on the same wavelength...

This really is the last time.

Economic left/right: -7.25
Social libertarian/authoritarian: -9.13

OK, I've moved about one point rightwards on the economic scale. Maybe Libertovania et al are having an effect...

Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31

As always, I dispise this test because of the inherient assumptions behind the questions. As usual, although a little more authoritarian than usual, 5.25, 1.90. Why cannot they just ask their questions better?

Take this one: "Marijuana should be legalized?" I have to strongly disagree with this one, I believe legislation should have absolutely no relation to what one does to oneself, and legalization concedes that the legislature has the power to make this decision. If they only asked "Marijuana should be illegal?" I would have the exact same answer, strongly disagree. As a consistant theme running through the questionaire there is the assumption that society=government=laws.

An example of society=government=laws can found here: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce?" I strongly agree with this. But I do not believe it is within the legitimate power of anyone but the individual in question and their mate to prevent them from reproducing sould they so desire. There certanly should be no laws preventing them from reproducing, or mandatory steriliation as has been the practice in socialist societies. They merely should not allow themselves to reproduce, and society (civic clubs, churchs, familiy and friends) should encourage them into making the decision to not allow themselves to reproduce.

Or how about this one: "Religion and morality are closely linked?" Come on, you have to be completely divorced from reality to answer anything but "strongly agree". If instead they were to ask "Religion and morality should be closely linked?" there would be room for those of us who live in the real world where religion and morality are closely linked to express an opinion, unless they consider knowledge of the world to be somehow related to political views.

come on libertarian party memebers, come on bush supporters. i know you're out there (how else would this forum manage to stay alive?) and it is your patriotic and/or capitalistic duty to fill out the other side of the graph for me. if you don't, you've let the pinko commies win.

Economic Left/Right: 5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28

We are out here

Libertarian or bust

Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51

Hmm no new suprices here rely. Last time i did it i were -10/-8 so i guess im an bit more concervative now days. Must be an age thing

I have taken this test many times, I've always been quite liberal left.
This time I'll post a few of my answers!

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations. - Strongly Agree

I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong. - Strongly Disagree

People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality. - Strongly Agree

Corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily respect the environment. - Strongly agree

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need is a fundamentally good idea. - Strongly Agree (omg I'm a commie pinko!!!1!)

The rich are too highly taxed. - Strongly Disagree

Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care. - Strongly Disagree

The freer the market, the freer the people. - Strongly Disagree

Abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal. - Agree

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. - Strongly Disagree

Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis. - Disagree

Marijuana should be legalised. - Disagree (if I was in charge I would ban cigarettes as well)

There are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures. - Strongly Agree

Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support. - Strongly Agree

A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system. - terrible question - I agree, but there are many more disadvantages to such a system

The death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes. - Strongly Disagree

The businessman and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist. - Strongly Disagree

Charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged. - Strongly Disagree

Faith-based schools have a positive role to play in our education system. - bad question - "Faith-based school" is too vague

A same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship, should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption. - Strongly Agree

What goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state. - Strongly Agree (listen up conservatives!)

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My political compass

Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49

See, I'm a goddamn liberal!

Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.21
lol i seem to be a mixture of Stalin and Gandhi...

An example of society=government=laws can found here: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce?" I strongly agree with this. But I do not believe it is within the legitimate power of anyone but the individual in question and their mate to prevent them from reproducing sould they so desire. There certanly should be no laws preventing them from reproducing, or mandatory steriliation as has been the practice in socialist societies. They merely should not allow themselves to reproduce, and society (civic clubs, churchs, familiy and friends) should encourage them into making the decision to not allow themselves to reproduce.
I think the key to that one is the word allowed.

However I agree that some of the questions seem a bit strange.

eg.

"Our race has many superior qualities, compared to other races"

I don't get how this makes one more left/right wing or authoritarian/libertarian. I agree that people who would say strongly agree tend to be more authoritarian. But I do not think that thinking this makes you authoritarian (I hope you follow.)

"The growing fusion between information and entertainment is a worrying contribution to the public's shrinking attention span"

ditto

"Astrology accurately explains many things"

ditto

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

However I agree that some of the questions seem a bit strange.

eg.

"Our race has many superior qualities, compared to other races"

I don't get how this makes one more left/right wing or authoritarian/libertarian. I agree that people who would say strongly agree tend to be more authoritarian. But I do not think that thinking this makes you authoritarian (I hope you follow.)

"The growing fusion between information and entertainment is a worrying contribution to the public's shrinking attention span"

ditto

"Astrology accurately explains many things"

ditto

i think those are more or less lifted straight off of adorno's f-scale

Economic Left/Right: 4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.08

I think the key to that one is the word allowed.

But that's just it, since I reject that anyone besides yourself (or you mate) has the power to allow you to reproduce, then the question is equivalent to "should decide not to reproduce". If they were to change the phrasology to say "illegal to reproduce" or "government should not allow" I would be able to answer the question strongly disagree. But they don't, and they insist that their phrasology is specific and exact fopr a reason, so I answer the question as they word it, and get lumped in authoritarians. (from the FAQ Some of the propositions are intentionally vague. Their purpose is to trigger buzzwords in the mind of the user, measuring feelings and prejudices rather than detailed opinions on policy. to me words like "legalization" and "allow" are buzzwords and draw specific predjudices and feelings.) I suppose I could answer as if they were asking what I believe is their intent, but this would invalidate the method of the test. So instead I rant about how poor the design of their test is and how it has inbuilt assumptions.

i think those are more or less lifted straight off of adorno's f-scale
What is Adorno's F-scale? Who is Adorno?

What is Adorno's F-scale? Who is Adorno?TW Adorno was this guy in Germany (Frankfurt?) after WWII who came up with this theory called the "Authoritarian Personality Theory", under which all bad things some people believe (like racism, sexism, nationalism, free monetarism, conservativism, capitalism) were all variations of one single inadequate personality fault. The f-scale is a measure of how inadequate your personality is in this area and determines how likely you are to be a racist, child beater or conservative.



***here's a link to an F scale test so you can check yourself and figure out whether or not you need to start sewing swastikas on your shirts http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm

What is Adorno's F-scale? Who is Adorno?

I think he means Professor Theodor Adorno, jewish german sociologist, philosopher at Frankfurt Johann-Wolfgang-von-Goethe-university from the 1920s till the end of the 1960s. He was pretty left-wing. Born 1903 in Frankfurt, died 1969 in Brig, Switzerland due to a heart-attack.
Frankfurt was the centre of the new sociological science in Germany (in the 1920s and also after world war II: Institute of social studies).
After 1933 he and others went ot exil to Britain (Oxford) latter to the US(New York). He returned to Germany in 1949 and leads together with Horkheimer the institute for social studies. He was one of the proffessors the 68ers referred to. He belonged to the so called Frankfurt School (Adorno, Horkheimer, Marcuse), which was very left wing.
However: he also had some quarrels with the students who occupied his institute in 1968 as well. He finally resigned from his position, retired and died soon after in 1969.

What the Adorn scale is I don´t know. I´m not a sociologists.

Still don't understand the astrology thing. I understand that it is usually lefties who may use it, but didn't Reagan have an astrologer? And the Daily Mail pays big bucks to its astrology guide writer.

Still don't understand the astrology thing. I understand that it is usually lefties who may use it, but didn't Reagan have an astrologer? And the Daily Mail pays big bucks to its astrology guide writer.
Actually , it measures belief in superstition/religon which is associated with the authoritarian personality.

Well, according to this survey I´m an average American (3.566666666666667), hehehe.
Well: actual like that, although I´m not American.

Actually , it measures belief in superstition/religon which is associated with the authoritarian personality.
You live and learn.

I actually scrolled down a bit and read how the questions translated. But I had already posted. What the hey, thanks.

Economic Left/Right: 7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.18

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33


:P

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10

About the same as last time.

Economic Left/Right: 3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74
not libertarian enough...
I'm gonna have to look into that and fix my beliefs (truthfully I wasn't sure what to answer on a ton of questions)

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46

Economic Left/Right 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian 3.38

Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

Economic Left/Right: 3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

bump for science

There are WAAAY too many crazy libbies on NS :)

well, this is all self-selected and self-reported. go get some rightwingers that you know to take the test and report their results here. if only so i can find out if the break between the authoritarian right and the libertarian right is really as strong as it looks right now.

economic- I'm a righty! +6.88!

social- I'm a lefty? -3.64

I'll get my aunt a big time authoritarian or conservative she is definetly not a libertarian like myself. And my dad who is pretty much the same. I'm far more conservative on fiscal issues than they and far more liberal on moral issues

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.95

There are WAAAY too many crazy libbies on NS :)


To many in the world.

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62

wow, I'm right in there with Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, and the Dalai Lama, now that's some good company to be in.

economic- I'm a righty! +6.88!

social- I'm a lefty? -3.64

I'll get my aunt a big time authoritarian or conservative she is definetly not a libertarian like myself. And my dad who is pretty much the same. I'm far more conservative on fiscal issues than they and far more liberal on moral issues

You would be a traditional liberal or possibly a libertarian.

how do you measure yourself

Economic Left/Right: 9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

Still don't understand the astrology thing. I understand that it is usually lefties who may use it, but didn't Reagan have an astrologer? And the Daily Mail pays big bucks to its astrology guide writer.
In my experience astrology is used more by right-wingers and new-agers (who often defy political pigeon-holing). My opinion? It's cobblers on a grand scale.

Economic Left/Right: 9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

Nice to see someone way out where I am!

how do you measure yourself

go here - http://www.politicalcompass.org/ - and click on the link that says "take the test". then you get to spend a couple minutes agreeing or violently disagreeing with various statements.

Why is that then? You want more goverment control over the economy?

Yes, in order to create a society which is more equal.

Economic Left/Right: -3.1
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.5

and bump again

and bump again
Not needed.

Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.00

Skimming through here I seem to be one of the most left libertarian guys on the thread.

Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.36

Not needed.

wow, i bumped and you posted at exactly the same time. that's fairly impressive.

Here is my score when I have my realist hat on.

Economic Left/Right: -0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74

Here is my score when I have my idealist hat on.

Economic Left/Right: 8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

BTW, I think this political compass needs to be revised. It's a good start, but there needs to be more differentiation between personal beliefs and policy suggestions. For example, I personally think sex outside of marriage is usually immoral, but I don't think the government should be doing anything to enforce my belief. (Actually, I don't think there should be a government at all, but that's beside the point.) Maybe something like:

Do you think the government should legislate on sexual issues?

A. Hell Yes!
B. Yes.
C. No.
D. Hell No!


That type of question would get more directly to the issue of a person being more authoritarian or libertarian. Basically, I would like the makers of this test to just come out and ask what they mean to ask in plain speech. I think it would do much for the accuracy of the test.

My score based on my beliefs about the ideal form of government and economy should put me at something like this (but the stupid test says otherwise grr).

Economic Left/Right: 10.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -10.0

I resulted:
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82

I think I am right in the spot where they placed the Dalai Lama!
:cool:

satisfied with the result.

wow, i bumped and you posted at exactly the same time. that's fairly impressive.
*Takes his hat and bows*

Any time.

Economic Left/Right: -9.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.82

Damn we have a lot of libertarian communists here!

Nice to see someone way out where I am!

It's nice to see two people way out where I am!

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.36

further bumpage

Economic Left/Right: -2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

--
Moonshine
CrystalDragon on Espernet IRC
A little less left-wing than the compass dictates, but never mind

come on capitalism supporters, we need you in order to get a clearer picture. go to your regions and ask your region-mates to take the test if you have to.

Economics- -8.25
Social- -10.00

I remember the day where I first hit the bottom. Very interesting, and since then I'm sure that the compass is slightly off, as I'm not an anarchist, just a a strong believer in freedom.

Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.82

I'd have guessed myself WAY more to the right . . .

You would be a traditional liberal or possibly a libertarian.

Classical liberal I suppose is the word you could use on me. My aunt and uncle were with Bush though my aunt was a bit more economically liberal than bush. heh.

I scored better now than when I did this test last time, about two years ago, especially on the economic scale...

Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.41

"Better" is entirely subjective, of course... ;)

Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.67

Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51

C'est la lutte finale:
Groupons-nous, et demain,
L'Internationale
Sera le genre humain.

:D

Economic Left/Right: -7.50

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.95

Freedom and prosperity for all.

economic 4.62
social -4.97

Just shows that the political compass is a load of bs since I'm actually about as far down the bottom right as possible.

economic 4.62
social -4.97

Just shows that the political compass is a load of bs since I'm actually about as far down the bottom right as possible.
Jumpin' bejaysus! This result surprised me. Mind you, I had no idea that HotRodia was so economically liberal either.

It occurred to me that many of the questions that would lead to an assessment of one's degree of economic freedom are based not so much around free markets as free corporations, which ain't exactly the same thing.

Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.87

Disturbingly authoritarian...

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

woohoo i'm a flatliner. I'll be a good dictator i swear.

Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.62

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/cross.gif

Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.87

Disturbingly authoritarian...
You're OK, you're massively libertarian with those results.

Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

"I heartily accept the motto, 'That government is best which governs least'; and I should like to see it acted upon more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe--'That government is best which governs not at all'; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. "

-- Henry David Thoreau - On The Duty of Civil Disobedience (1849)

Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.18

I've grown more economically left and less socially libertarian through they years, it seems.

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

Wow. I do am the reincarnation of Nelson Mandela.

The Serene Socialist Republic shows its true colours, and they are, predictably, decidedly left libertarian.

Economic left/right: -8.62
Social libertarian/authoritarian: -9.03

Squi, I have to disagree with you on the qestion of the link between religion and morality. While it's vague on the test, and though it is certainly true that there is a set of ethical normatives attending nearly all religious doctrine, the question is not whether religion and morality are linked, but whether they are exclusively so: i.e. whether there can be ethical responsibility in the absence of religious adherence. It is an all-too-common misconception that those of us who do not subscribe to any religion have no reason to behave morally, and that, consequently, all atheists are immoral scumbags. Not true. Morality is a social phenomenon transcending religion.

Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97
Look at me, i'm a nice and fluffly commie! *waves his red flag around a bit, then wanders off to hand out propganda in a random factory*

Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.21

Last time i did this (a year ago) i was more right, strange very strange.

Squi, I have to disagree with you on the qestion of the link between religion and morality. While it's vague on the test, and though it is certainly true that there is a set of ethical normatives attending nearly all religious doctrine, the question is not whether religion and morality are linked, but whether they are exclusively so: i.e. whether there can be ethical responsibility in the absence of religious adherence. It is an all-too-common misconception that those of us who do not subscribe to any religion have no reason to behave morally, and that, consequently, all atheists are immoral scumbags. Not true. Morality is a social phenomenon transcending religion.

I would tend to agree with Xikuang on this one. This topic is intriguing, so excuse me if I sidetrack the posting of data for a minute...

To put all my cards on the table , I will admit to loosely adhering to a melange of Taoism, Discordianism, Thelema, Buddhism, and the Illuminates of Thanateros (AKA: Kaos Magick) I would be classified (and hence excluded from not being otherwise) either a new-age fruitcake, enlightened magus, filthy pagan, or psycopathic megalomaniac, depending on the observer.

With that out of the way, I must state emphatically that I do not "subscribe" to any one religion, and even the religions I "tend" to "believe in" are religions with such mottos as: "And harm ye none, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." So, guaging my "morality" on a Judeo-Christian scale would leave me in the immoral heathen category. Yet, I feel as though I do act morally, albeit my morals are somewhat self-defined rather than blindly accepted as "gospel" from parental and societal "authority."

So, what is my main reason for acting in a manner that appears to be moral? I call it "Instant Karma," which is my term for the way the world inherently works: if you’re nice to people, they are usually nice to you, and if you are shitty to people, people are usually shitty to you. Simple, no?

As Above,
So Below.
So mote it be.

And don’t forget the rule of three:
What you sow once, three times shall you reap.
In other words, “What goes around, comes around,” so don’t be a creep!

Why would I need to believe in an invisible thunder g-d to know that harming others or myself is not in my own best interest, and by extension, the interest of those around me? Morality is simply a code of social interaction developed over the millenia in an attempt to harmonize the group and ostracize the wayward rogues. Taboos may vary between societies, but the core of all morality is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And that requires no funny hats and robes, silly rites and ceremonies, miracles of transubstantiation, weekly meetings, and/or holy books to understand. (But sometimes all the trappings of religion do help to reinforce the psychological control of the religious elite over the religious masses. If one is hooked on the opiate of religion, one needs one’s pusher, no?)

“I get high on life. Inhale, exhale. Repeat as necessary” ~Gotama Buddha~

"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." ~Thomas Paine~

I thought I was pretty dead centrist, but I guess not so much...

Here's my scores:
Econ: -2.88
Social: -3.28

The Serene Socialist Republic shows its true colours, and they are, predictably, decidedly left libertarian.

Economic left/right: -8.62
Social libertarian/authoritarian: -9.03

Squi, I have to disagree with you on the qestion of the link between religion and morality. While it's vague on the test, and though it is certainly true that there is a set of ethical normatives attending nearly all religious doctrine, the question is not whether religion and morality are linked, but whether they are exclusively so: i.e. whether there can be ethical responsibility in the absence of religious adherence. It is an all-too-common misconception that those of us who do not subscribe to any religion have no reason to behave morally, and that, consequently, all atheists are immoral scumbags. Not true. Morality is a social phenomenon transcending religion.

I see that you are not disagreeing with me, but on the link between superstion/religion and the authoritarian personality. I do not accept the link, I merely report that the link (under the Adorno system) is used in rating the more religous/supersititous as being more authoritarian. Adorno and the Authoritarian Personality was effectively discredited for me long ago, but it is apparently a significant factor in the Political Compass test (he's even credited on the home page of the site). If you object to the connection, then you object to the criteria for Adorno's Authoritarian Personality, then you should probably consider the test unreliable.

the chart in the first post has been updated to include everything up to now. there is a clear trend in the libertarian left corner emerging. almost nobody is in the authoritarian left, and those that are are just barely - and i already got a bunch of non-anarchist communists out here. anyone know any stalinists? and there still isn't quite enough data on right-wingers, but so far it looks like there are 2 distinct and diverging clusters.

*sniffles* I'm all by myself in that little part of the graph.

Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

*sniffles* I'm all by myself in that little part of the graph.

wow, you really are. perhaps you should move yourself a bit farther left with everybody else.

wow, you really are. perhaps you should move yourself a bit farther left with everybody else.
I used to be at -9,-9 a year ago, but then I swung right for some reason (I think I spent too much time over at rightnation.us and the command-post).

I got:
Economic Left/Right: 7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.41
Funny, I thought I was more libertarian than that.
Can some one explain this question to me,
Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries.
I just disagreed based on the fact that it said multinational companies are unethically exploiting developing countries. But, what does it mean? Are they sucking the genes out of the third world? Are they ripping the plants up by the roots and wandering off with them? Is there a black market for genes from third world nations?

I got:
Economic Left/Right: 7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.41
Funny, I thought I was more libertarian than that.
Can some one explain this question to me,

I just disagreed based on the fact that it said multinational companies are unethically exploiting developing countries. But, what does it mean? Are they sucking the genes out of the third world? Are they ripping the plants up by the roots and wandering off with them? Is there a black market for genes from third world nations?Well, not a black market. I took this to refer to the (primarily) pharmacutical patenting of genes/plants of places like the Amazon in hopes that they will yield the basis for some medicine or other useful product in the future. It was a more significant problem about 10 years ago. It could possibly also refer to the harvesting of rare/endangered plants which only grow any more in undeveloped areas, like mahogany trees in Brazil, but it was not necessary for me to consider that for my answer.

I see that you are not disagreeing with me, but on the link between superstion/religion and the authoritarian personality. I do not accept the link, I merely report that the link (under the Adorno system) is used in rating the more religous/supersititous as being more authoritarian. Adorno and the Authoritarian Personality was effectively discredited for me long ago, but it is apparently a significant factor in the Political Compass test (he's even credited on the home page of the site). If you object to the connection, then you object to the criteria for Adorno's Authoritarian Personality, then you should probably consider the test unreliable.

Indeed... perhaps I should. I don't know terribly much about Adorno's work, but I would be inclined to agree that a heavy adherence to a highly prescriptive religion could tend to move a society more towards the authoritarian, but it certainly isn't the only thing that could do that. So while I'd agree that there is a link between religion, the tendency towards authoritarian state, and morality, I'd still have to reject religion as being a measure of it.

Economic: -1.51 (down 1 point since my last test)
Political: -6.51 (Exactly the same, all 25 times)

Economic Left/Right: -9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

I've become astonishingly economically left wing compared to the last time, perhaps too many "strong dis/agrees" or something...

You wouldn't think it to look at my nation though, all that capitalism that I've been trying to crush *sigh* oh well.

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.56

Economic: -5.88
Socialist/Liberal/Authoritarian: -5.23

Do we have any Nazis on the board, with positive economic scores and social scores of 9-10?

Do we have any Nazis on the board, with positive economic scores and social scores of 9-10?
Then there wouldn´t be "real" Nazis. Nazis after all stands for National Socialism. They were for a state controlled economy (though not taking away private property - except from the jews of course) and an authoritarian state.
So: to say that they were the opposite to the communists is actually wrong. They are many things those two totalitarian ideologies have in common.

Jumpin' bejaysus! This result surprised me. Mind you, I had no idea that HotRodia was so economically liberal either.

Smart people can be capitalistic too, Eco. ;) If you want to see some of my thoughts on economics, you can view this thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=339909&page=1). I posted on several of the pages, not just the first one. I think my reasons for preferring capitalism may be a bit unusual, but they're pretty good. I can explain them if you like.

It occurred to me that many of the questions that would lead to an assessment of one's degree of economic freedom are based not so much around free markets as free corporations, which ain't exactly the same thing.

Yeah. That would be another problem with the test that I saw. I'm thinking of making my own that's a bit more straightforward.

Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90

That was interesting. I used to be roundabouts -2, -2.

Smart people can be capitalistic too, Eco. ;)
Surely not?! Actually, I remember you saying you were centrist a while back and didn't realise that your ideological sympathies lay in the anarcho-capitalist direction. Hence my surprise.

If you want to see some of my thoughts on economics, you can view this thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=339909&page=1). I posted on several of the pages, not just the first one. I think my reasons for preferring capitalism may be a bit unusual, but they're pretty good. I can explain them if you like.
I agree with most of what you wrote, actually, particularly regarding the 'moral' neutrality of capitalism and communism.

bump and such.

oh yeah, and would anybody be interested in helping me do another version of this, but with a random sample of people from nationstates?

Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.67

Not the best sampling and probably a large degree of error, but this does seem to indicate that there is at least some truth to the common accusation that most posters are lefties. :D

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85

Not the best sampling and probably a large degree of error,

indeed - that's why i want to do another one by asking a random sample of ns people.

Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

This, I guess, seems to be very much like me, but I personally think I'm a bit more of a libertarian than the test indicated. Perhaps it was just that I misunderstood some of the questions. Oh, well.

Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.74


Moderate Authoritarian

Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56

Whaddayaknow. I'm a left-leaning libertarian. Noice.

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

No matter how many times I do this quiz, I always come out next to Gandhi. Of course, this also puts me next to Nelson Mandella and The Dalai Lama, so I'm not complaining.

Surely not?! Actually, I remember you saying you were centrist a while back and didn't realise that your ideological sympathies lay in the anarcho-capitalist direction. Hence my surprise.

I'm a centrist in terms of my realistic policy suggestions because my policy suggestions stem from rationalism and moderate expectations as to the ability of the average human being to see past their own nose.

Anarcho-capitalism is my belief about what the ideal state of human society should be.

I agree with most of what you wrote, actually, particularly regarding the 'moral' neutrality of capitalism and communism.

I'm glad somebody does. Not many people on either side seem to want to take on a truly objective analysis of the other side's ideas, which I think is particularly unfortunate.

Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.62

Extreme socialist libertarian. Proud of it.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33

Holy crap, there are people on here with even more extreme liberal/left scores than me! Apparently I'm the majority too.

... and yet you wouldn't think so from the amount of conservative-right ranting you get on this site.

come on libertarian party memebers, come on bush supporters. i know you're out there (how else would this forum manage to stay alive?) and it is your patriotic and/or capitalistic duty to fill out the other side of the graph for me. if you don't, you've let the pinko commies win.

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

Socialism for the rich is evil. Socialism for the poor is evil.

Thus spake the Free-Market Capitalist :D

... and yet you wouldn't think so from the amount of conservative-right ranting you get on this site.

it might just be that there are a few loud people who argue enough to cover for it.

Well, not a black market. I took this to refer to the (primarily) pharmacutical patenting of genes/plants of places like the Amazon in hopes that they will yield the basis for some medicine or other useful product in the future. It was a more significant problem about 10 years ago. It could possibly also refer to the harvesting of rare/endangered plants which only grow any more in undeveloped areas, like mahogany trees in Brazil, but it was not necessary for me to consider that for my answer.

Also, I took it as referring to the implications of this case - Monsanto vs Schmeiser (http://www.percyschmeiser.com/).

Vas.

I'm a centrist in terms of my realistic policy suggestions because my policy suggestions stem from rationalism and moderate expectations as to the ability of the average human being to see past their own nose.
Keep this to yourself, but pragmatically I'm pretty centrist myself.

*hopes no one in the ACA is reading, shuffles off into the shadows*

Thus spake the Free-Market Capitalist :D

Good stuff, not that I agree with you in the slightest, but at least you're using the proper term. Now, if you wouldn't mind, could you have a word with the oxymorons (those who call themselves "anarcho-capitalists")? Thank you.

Vas.

Grrr... CACE commie steals my splendid idea for a spread while my connection is down... #subscribe# response later... perhaps a merger of the threads.

Thread: thread on KIST board (http://s7.invisionfree.com/KIST/index.php?showtopic=3)

My spread:
http://s7.invisionfree.com/KIST/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=2241496

Will contact later at appropriate time... if the honourable commie threadstarter hasn't blocked me yet, that is.

Keep this to yourself, but pragmatically I'm pretty centrist myself.

*hopes no one in the ACA is reading, shuffles off into the shadows*
tsk tsk tsk

Naughty.

Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.85

I surprise myself sometimes!

Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.15

im starting to believe im a real life commie....... According to the rest im the greatest Leftist Authoritarian NS has.

Economic -5.88
Social 2.67

Good stuff, not that I agree with you in the slightest, but at least you're using the proper term. Now, if you wouldn't mind, could you have a word with the oxymorons (those who call themselves "anarcho-capitalists")? Thank you.

Vas.

"Anarcho-Capitalism" only seems like an oxymoron if one trys to apply the term to the current state of today's "capitalism." Notice that I put "capitalism" between quotation marks; this is because today's "capitalism" is hardly Capitalism at all, seeing as how it consists of huge monolithic government-chartered organizations which recieve all kinds of government subsidy and welfare, as well as special rights and privileges that go beyond anything any actual human being is allowed. Putting the prefix "Anarcho-" onto the system I just described doesn't make any sense at all; not because the system I just described is Capitalism, because it isn't even remotely, but because the system I just described is dominated by interfering governments, who restrict the workings of the free-market, ultimately restricting the workings of free sovereign individuals. The traditional anarchists object to these interfering governments, no doubt, but they are sorely mistaken when they confuse this government interference with Capitalism. Whether "Anarcho-Capitalism" (or any other kind of political-economic ideology) is good, bad or ugly is up to you, I simply wish to point out the error of equating government interference and special privilege with Capitalism.

By taking this current system of economics, often refered to as "capitalism" in error, and by removing government interference, those huge monolithic organizations are stripped of their power. Without huge amounts of government power to back them up, like they have now, such monied interests can do nothing more than interact on the free-market like any other group of sovereign individuals. Removing the government from the equation restores Capitalism to what it is supposed to be: a system of ownership and administration of the means of production by the sovereign individual (or even a cooperating group thereof!), where said owners and administrators compete against/with each other on the free-market.

We just did this in Nasicournia....

Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28

http://s2.invisionfree.com/nasicournia/index.php?showtopic=597

I don't like this test at all, and people trust it too much, but I'm somewhere like

9.12/5.28

Grrr... CACE commie steals my splendid idea for a spread while my connection is down...

well, this isn't exactly official CACE business - nor did i even know you'd been doing something similar.

but by all means, drag as many people as you can over to post their personal scores. more data is always a good thing.

We just did this in Nasicournia....

yeah, it makes the rounds on every single forum/message board/newsgroup/email list/etc from time to time. i have no idea how or why, but it is a damn infectious meme.

would you mind asking the people who posted their scores there to come over here and post them if they haven't already?

Assuming Free Soviets is still collecting the numbers:

Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85

The Social scale I agree with, I'm big on personal freedom, the economic scale I've been mis-represented on: I'm a big fan of the free market, but because I'm sceptical on the morals of corporations I've been deemed (a little) left wing.

I'm in favor of the free market specifically because I don't trust the companies: What better way to stop them being evil than letting the consumers boycot them?

Economic Left/Right: 4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.00\

Most of the time, though, I get this response.


And on the F-scale....

4.166666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
6666666666666666666666666............7

"You are disciplined but tolerant; a true American."

Assuming Free Soviets is still collecting the numbers

i am, and the chart on the first page has just been updated.

The Social scale I agree with, I'm big on personal freedom, the economic scale I've been mis-represented on: I'm a big fan of the free market, but because I'm sceptical on the morals of corporations I've been deemed (a little) left wing.

actually, yeah, i'm starting to think that this test tends to shift some people a bit farther left than they probably ought to be. possibly because it phrases some of its statements in a way that only a randroid could love.

actually, yeah, i'm starting to think that this test tends to shift some people a bit farther left than they probably ought to be. possibly because it phrases some of its statements in a way that only a randroid could love.
You'd have to be mental to blindly think that if it makes a corporation happy it makes everyone else happy. Strange people.

You'd have to be mental to blindly think that if it makes a corporation happy it makes everyone else happy. Strange people.

and yet they exist. we have a few on this forum actually.

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

i am, and the chart on the first page has just been updated.

actually, yeah, i'm starting to think that this test tends to shift some people a bit farther left than they probably ought to be. possibly because it phrases some of its statements in a way that only a randroid could love.

This quiz does seem to make many false assumptions, like answering against corporations means one is anti-capitalism or saying that homosexuality is not natural means one believes the government should regulate lifestyles. Also, I think the quiz has a strong "Capitalism is government-backed corporations gone amuck" bias in it. My rejection of that definition of capitalism causes the quiz to place me on the left, when in reality I probably belong on the right.

The Political Compass says I'm a moderate libertarian who is a hair on the left. A quiz that asks only "Should this particular activity be legal/illegal," however, would probably place me firmly on the libertarian-right. But then, such a quiz would probably be plagued by bias that is caused by assumptions of what the left/right believes should be legal/illegal. I can personally think of a few issues that can be argued in either way from a libertarian perspective. Oh well.

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.56
Yep i'm a moderate libertarian, if there is such a thing. :)

i'm really wondering about the pattern on the chart so far. why aren't there any people way in the corners of any of the quadrants other than the left-libertarian one? and why does there seem to be more of a single trend line for the left and 2 distinct ones for the right?

Well I think that maybe there are only left libertarians on the left side, is because the idea of soviet communism was destroyed which was the basis of authoritarian left philosophy, whereas there are still right wing people of the libertarian and authoritarian flavors.

Well to be honest I figured I was more authoritarian than this, but hey, this is what it says.

Economic Left/Right: 7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.31

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

No matter how many times I do this quiz, I always come out next to Gandhi. Of course, this also puts me next to Nelson Mandella and The Dalai Lama, so I'm not complaining.


If you are that close to Gandhi, does that mean that you are a hypocritical anti-Semetic Indian that everybody loves?

If you are that close to Gandhi, does that mean that you are a hypocritical anti-Semetic Indian that everybody loves?

Golly, I...I...gee, I guess so because Ariel Sharon is all the way over in the first quadrant and I couldn't possibly be able to make up my own mind about how I feel regarding issues without some web quiz to tell me how I should feel and giving me a graph and everything. [/sarcasm]

I said near. Not on.

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

Well I think that maybe there are only left libertarians on the left side, is because the idea of soviet communism was destroyed which was the basis of authoritarian left philosophy, whereas there are still right wing people of the libertarian and authoritarian flavors.

that probably does explain the lack of authoritarians on the left side, but it doesn't really explain why the most libertarian people are also the most left wing. well, not without taking up the anarchist argument that libertarianism and socialism are logically bound together, anyway.

i continue to find it hiliarious that there are no major world leaders in the lower right quadrant.

which i happen to call home.

right 1.75, down 1.2

i do have a hypothesis about this, though.... people who generally wan't the government to leave them alone, and are slightly conservative economically.. don't run for office. they sit at home and despise politicians.

edit:
I have a friend who's a member of our college's Right to Life and College Republicans. Her score was statistically indestinguishable from that the site provides for Kerry.
who she hates. HUGE Bush fan. silly girl.

The Political Compass

Economic Left: -0.75
Social Libertarian: -3.23

I doubt that it's actually possible to record a large positive score on the economic scale AND a high negative score on the social scale. The nature of the questions introduces a skew that makes the left more inclined to be socially liberal than the right. Possibly. I dunno, just a thought...

Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

Would probably put myself closer to centre but maybe the test thinks (wrong word, yep) differently :F

Removing the government from the equation restores Capitalism to what it is supposed to be: a system of ownership and administration of the means of production by the sovereign individual (or even a cooperating group thereof!), where said owners and administrators compete against/with each other on the free-market.

Et voila, a hierarchical system of property ownership antithetical to anarchism. If you own the land and I need to use the land, you have the capacity to coerce and control me. Thus, capitalism is fundamentally inconsistent with anarchism.

Vas.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.49

Crap. Closed the window. Im pretty sure it was -1.3, 1.8. I forget exactly what it said.

I doubt that it's actually possible to record a large positive score on the economic scale AND a high negative score on the social scale. The nature of the questions introduces a skew that makes the left more inclined to be socially liberal than the right. Possibly. I dunno, just a thought...

hmm, i just went and tried to be an uber-libertarian capitalist and while i did get all the way over to the right, i only got to -6.87 on the social bit. significantly more authoritarian than i personally come out - which means either i screwed up or some of the statements that i took to be economic also had a social score to them. interesting...

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.85

Right there with Ghandi and the Dalai Llama. Go leftist politics! I'm a stereotypical, leftist Jew! ^_^

hmm, i just went and tried to be an uber-libertarian capitalist and while i did get all the way over to the right, i only got to -6.87 on the social bit. significantly more authoritarian than i personally come out - which means either i screwed up or some of the statements that i took to be economic also had a social score to them. interesting...

Well, economic questions do have a social side to them. If you allow complete economic freedom, then you get inequalities of wealth, which tend to restrict the social freedoms of the poor. I think the apparent bias in the test is partly just a reflection of that link.

The fundamental flaw in libertarian capitalism is the assumption that economic and social freedoms are independent (or that there's a positive correlation rather than a negative one).

A bit more to the right then last time, but still well within acceptable limits:

The Evil Capitalist all in the CACE have come to fear... the "personification of neoliberalism"...

*drumroll*

Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

Rather moderate, no? ;)

Ecomonic Left/Right: 4.46
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.52

A bit more to the right then last time, but still well within acceptable limits:

The Evil Capitalist all in the CACE have come to fear... the "personification of neoliberalism"...

*drumroll*

Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

Rather moderate, no? ;)
Move four points to the left and come and join me.

Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.10
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/cross.gif

Move four points to the left and come and join me.
Naw. I used to be -2 you know. Part of growing up is probably also becoming a really mean person. ;)

I do have problems with some questions since I am not of the opinion that "OMG CORPARATANS KILLZ US ALL!!!" but I am not really inclined to say that what is good for a corporation is by definition good for society. :S

hmm, i just went and tried to be an uber-libertarian capitalist and while i did get all the way over to the right, i only got to -6.87 on the social bit. significantly more authoritarian than i personally come out - which means either i screwed up or some of the statements that i took to be economic also had a social score to them. interesting...

and i've tried doing it to get into the other corners too. the only ones i've been able to do it with have been the libertarian left and the authoritarian right. i only got to 7 on the authoritarian left social score. maybe i just didn't quite do it right, but it seemed to me that i took the stalinist line as best i know how. anyone else care to give it a shot?

Last time I took it I was like

civil: -7
econ: 1 or something

Economic Left/Right: 8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.21

Economic right: 8.88
Authoritarian: 8.77

Economic Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian: -1.74

Ha! bet no one else is nearer to the center than me!!!!

I economic: -7.88
social: -4.72

I'm more liberal than Ghandi and Nelson mandela... woohoo!

And again ....

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.41

Wow ... now there's a shock ... Keruvalia's a liberal .... duh.

Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.62

Man I wish I had a whole point in SOMETHING. I guess I'm just a fraction of a man.

Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

it sure is lonely on the lower right side. There are none on the website itself.

Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.15

Wow, I thought I was a bit more authoritarian and right-wing economically inclined than that.

Supposedly I'm an authoritarian leftist. Go figure, according to the other political compass, I'm a Libertarian.

econ: 8.12
social: -5.28

Et voila, a hierarchical system of property ownership antithetical to anarchism.
Impossible.

If you own the land and I need to use the land, you have the capacity to coerce and control me.
I own my body. You want something on my body. You wish to coerce me into giving it to you.

You own your car. Someone wants to borrow it. You can the capacity to coerce and control someone, right?

See how stupid your claim is?

Thus, capitalism is fundamentally inconsistent with anarchism.
Nah, it's socialism/communism that is fundamentally inconsistent with anarchism. Gotta have a means to coerce/control the workers into producing what the commitee decides.

See what happens when you make stupid claims?

Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.87

Good stuff, not that I agree with you in the slightest, but at least you're using the proper term. Now, if you wouldn't mind, could you have a word with the oxymorons (those who call themselves "anarcho-capitalists")? Thank you.
Oh, you're talking about the anarcho-socialists and anarcho-communists, not anarcho-capitalists.

Silly you.

When you grow up and quit your childish nonsense, I won't have to treat you like a child.

Please, Dischordiac, for the love of all you hold dear: don't reply!

Please, Dischordiac, for the love of all you hold dear: don't reply!
Why not? He loves starting flamewars. Of course, if he can't take it, he shouldn't start it.

Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.31

I got
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

Economic Left/Right: 1.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.21

I wasn't quite happy with it because I felt like it forced choices in some cases where I was undecided or felt it depended on the situation.

Economic Left/Right: 7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.62

Well this makes me pretty unique. Any other Constitutionalists out there?

Economic Left/Right: 2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: .31

This is not a bump.

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

Supposedly I'm an authoritarian leftist. Go figure, according to the other political compass, I'm a Libertarian.

aww. you can't just leave us with that. we need numbers.

Anarchists love numbers!

And again ....

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.41

Wow ... now there's a shock ... Keruvalia's a liberal .... duh.

that score doesn't make you a liberal - it makes you an out and out libertarian socialist. liberals are nowhere near as far left or down.

(btw, the chart at the front will be updated shortly.)

Economic Left/Right: 0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.06

Bull's eye!

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

Mine varies from time to time but is always in the third quadrant. I am usually a Leftist Libral or a Centrist who leans to the Libral Left

Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

This is actually the farthest left I've ever been usually I'm around -4

Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.56

...

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97

Economic Left/Right: 2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.90

-8.75 econ, -7.95 soc.

Economic Left/Right: -1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.10

Interesting...considering that I consider myself a conservative, although a fairly liberal conservative.

I think that a lot of values are not addressed, or not addressed properly, but that has a lot to do with the phrasing of the questions and the lack of other important questions.

*edit*
I just looked at the U.S. election page...and apparently I'm more liberal than John Kerry. That might be the funniest thing I've seen all day.

-5, -5. Straight mid-pinko for me. not very surprising

Economic Left/Right: 3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28

Or how about this one: "Religion and morality are closely linked?" Come on, you have to be completely divorced from reality to answer anything but "strongly agree". If instead they were to ask "Religion and morality should be closely linked?" there would be room for those of us who live in the real world where religion and morality are closely linked to express an opinion, unless they consider knowledge of the world to be somehow related to political views.

The opinions expressed here with regard to religion and morality are not universal. I for one, most certainly do NOT believe that religion and morality are closely linked, necessarily. I think morality can be linked to religious beliefs, but that morality and religion are separate. Some people get their moral views from their religion. But, these opinions are rarely universally moral.

I strongly disagreed with the aforementioned premise, and I do live in the real world.

An example of society=government=laws can found here: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce?" I strongly agree with this. But I do not believe it is within the legitimate power of anyone but the individual in question and their mate to prevent them from reproducing sould they so desire. There certanly should be no laws preventing them from reproducing, or mandatory steriliation as has been the practice in socialist societies. They merely should not allow themselves to reproduce, and society (civic clubs, churchs, familiy and friends) should encourage them into making the decision to not allow themselves to reproduce.


Fat chance. Unless they are forcibly neutered, it is unlikely that the will actually behave responsibly and not have children.

Economic Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian: -4.72

The opinions expressed here with regard to religion and morality are not universal. I for one, most certainly do NOT believe that religion and morality are closely linked, necessarily. I think morality can be linked to religious beliefs, but that morality and religion are separate. Some people get their moral views from their religion. But, these opinions are rarely universally moral.

I strongly disagreed with the aforementioned premise, and I do live in the real world.Who said anything about a universal morality? A goodly number of people do get their moral views from their religion, the simple fact of the matter is that morality is closely linked to religion. I am not saying it should be or that it must be, merely that it is. This is why I use it as an example of poor phrasing, the question could easily be rephrased to ask about the necessity or desirability of deriving ones moral code from one's religion but instead it asks if morality is linked to religion, which anyone who has travelled much has to agree to. So I ask you, are Morality and religion closely linked, not are they required to be linked or should they be linked, but are they? Do many people derive their moral code from their religion?

I like your phrasology better than mine, it would have been better if nstead the statement had been "Morality are Religion are necessarily closely linked", but alas that was not the statement.

Fat chance. Unless they are forcibly neutered, it is unlikely that the will actually behave responsibly and not have children.I don't know about that. Is the procreative urge so strong that one would be willing to accept effective banishment from society in order to have children? While I am sure that some will be willing to accept the approbation of society and have children anyway I doubt the number would be any greater than that if it were illegal (without neutering). I supose it might be worthwhile to be kicked out of church, fired from your job and such in order to have children, but how many are willing to accept that price?

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

hmm...
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

...and the left libertarian skew continues. now if we can just get you all the rest of the way down to that bottom corner.

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.15

Left/Right - 4.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian - 3.79

Economic Left/Right: 4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51

I don't like the politcal compass. It asks loaded questions. It put me at 4.88/-3.44.

I don't like the politcal compass. It asks loaded questions. It put me at 4.88/-3.44.

technically speaking, it asks nothing. its main problem is more to do with variable interpretations of its statements.

You can find the Political Compass for several members of my region at http://s3.invisionfree.com/DU_Region/index.php?showtopic=128

this is what your average ns general forum member's political compass score looks like (so far):

mean
-1.97, -3.40

median
-3.12, -4.31

mode
-10.00, -5.44

Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.26

Gee, what a surprise.

Econ -9.88
Social -7.23

Less social than I had last time. Probably because I have started to think about Memocide of Conservatives. Wouldn't it be fun to just feed them all into ovens though?

No, I'm not insane, just America's political climate is getting very charged, and MunkeBrain is such a dumbass that I am starting to wish that I could just torture him.

Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.18

What's up with everyone having negative values? ;)

Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51

Hades! I hate being so-centre lined!

So I'm this (Slightly) Liberal (Slightly) Right-Winger.

I change a lot. But I'm in this general viscinity:

Economic Left/Right: -5.8 to -1.2
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.2 to -7.7

This time I was:

Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82

Far more economically left than I'm used to, and slightly more socially conservative than I'm used to.

They really should make a 3D one that measures economic policies (left/right), social policies (liberal/conservative), and government involvement policies (authoritarian/libertarian).

Though if we were all honest, most of us would politically rather see ourselves as dictators (enlightened liberal ones or Fourth Reich conservative ones), who would either get and review input from several independent and different opinion minded pundits on various subjects, or would stick it out on our own knowledge/ignorance (probably respectively).

I think my score on the compass is slightly higher than I expected. I was -7.8, -7.x but I thought I'd be at least a -9 on the Social.

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.9

Just where I thought: a little left of centre.

I think my score on the compass is slightly higher than I expected. I was -7.8, -7.x but I thought I'd be at least a -9 on the Social.

sellout

Economic Left/Right: 6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97

Hmm, thought I'd be more libertarian (being one and all :)).

Prolly because there were a lot of things I believed in (i.e. legalisation of marijuana) that I don't care about passionately enough to put "Strongly Agree/Disagree."

Craig

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/internationalchart.jpg

Seems unfair that the Libertarian Quadrant is the only one that hasn't had a go somewhere.

Every crackpot scheme has had it's turn somewhere in the world, why can't my crackpot scheme have a trial? :D

Craig

Economic Left/right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64
Oh my god, I'm Ghandi!

Wow. I do am the reincarnation of Nelson Mandela.

He died?

53 years old

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

(Free Soviets - are you still updating this?)

i did this again on another thread and got more extreme results than on this one? WTF is going on? I went from -3.5 -3 to -8 -7.5. quite a change, i think you'll agree

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.26

I figured I was a lot more libertarian than that, but anyway. I guess that thinking is reflected in most of my nations here apart from the ones I deliberately play as something else--- like Compulsory Consumerist Dictatorships or so...

On that note, I find it funny how Kerry isn't libertarian at all, but just a little less authoritarian than Bush by comparison...

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(Free Soviets - are you still updating this?)

yeah, i'll post an updated graph in a couple days probably.

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.15

-3,-5

Right around the Dahli Lama.