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The following I posted on the cannabalism thread:

"This is not the way to solve Overpopulation! It doesn't solve the problem of excessive growth! We need to legalize abortion and educated everyone on earth, esp. women. We need to support womens' choice in her reproduction. And we need to increase the wealth of everyone on Earth, not just fat Americans. "

I don't see how anyone can promote a pro-death argument because of overpopulation.

FAT Americans? EXCUSE ME?

FAT Americans? EXCUSE ME?

With no disrespect to Americans, 64.5% of U.S. adults are said to be overweight. That's no small number. When two thirds of your population is overweight (two people overweight for each person who isn't), it might be fair to call the nation fat.

The way to stop it is to not have SO MUCH SEX.

But that would suck right.

FAT Americans? EXCUSE ME?

What I really meant is fat being a metaphor for people who are too rich-- as in "fat cat". I'm an American, btw.

With no disrespect to Americans, 64.5% of U.S. adults are said to be overweight. That's no small number. When two thirds of your population is overweight (two people overweight for each person who isn't), it might be fair to call the nation fat.
****ing lie...

I mean...for the love of God....if you said 25%, that's believeable.

But I can count that out of 100 people here in the U.S., there will NOT be more than even 50 that're overweight. A little plump, perhaps. But not overweight.

Mindless stereotypes. Bad for the brain and clouds the mind.

What we need to do is steralize the monkeys that reproduce beyond their ability to support their offspring. Male and female alike.

Jim

The way to stop it is to not have SO MUCH SEX.

But that would suck right.

O.O Sex as a means of reproduction!?

Verital scoffs at this ridiculous idea that has been proposed. It is common knowledge that sexual intercourse is merely for our evenings entertainment and would never have any such impractical repercussions as a "child".

The way to stop it is to not have SO MUCH SEX.

But that would suck right.

Its not that simple; some of it is the excess of unprotected sex, but most of it is poor people of places like Asia who feel that have to have a million children to protect their liniage.

****ing lie...

I mean...for the love of God....if you said 25%, that's believeable.

But I can count that out of 100 people here in the U.S., there will NOT be more than even 50 that're overweight. A little plump, perhaps. But not overweight.

Mindless stereotypes. Bad for the brain and clouds the mind.

Sorry, but no. 127 million Americans are overweight. 60 million are obese, and 9 million are severely obese.

You can check out the American Obesity Association (http://www.obesity.org/) if you'd like to see the numbers yourself. They even break it down by gender and age, as well as showing growth paterns over time.

Sorry, but no. 127 million Americans are overweight. 60 million are obese, and 9 million are severely obese.

You can check out the American Obesity Association (http://www.obesity.org/) if you'd like to see the numbers yourself. They even break it down by gender and age, as well as showing growth paterns over time.
Have you even been here to see for yourself?

127 is a bit over half the population of the nation for cryin out loud. 1 in 2 people ARE NOT overweight dammit. These people get their stories screwed up or something.
They can give me all the statistics they want.
Nothing beats first-hand experience.

Have you even been here to see for yourself?

127 is a bit over half the population of the nation for cryin out loud. 1 in 2 people ARE NOT overweight dammit. These people get their stories screwed up or something.
They can give me all the statistics they want.
Nothing beats first-hand experience.

Verital is curious as to how Colodia has collected knowledge of all 250+million citizens weight data first hand.

Have you even been here to see for yourself?

127 is a bit over half the population of the nation for cryin out loud. 1 in 2 people ARE NOT overweight dammit. These people get their stories screwed up or something.
They can give me all the statistics they want.
Nothing beats first-hand experience.

Somehow I thought you might say that. Would it convince you any further if the US Food and Drug Administration (http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/obesity/) made the claim?

Since the late 1980s, adult obesity has steadily increased in this country. About 64 percent of Americans are overweight and more than 30 percent are obese.

Perhaps you'd like to claim the FDA is simply mistaken as well. That's your choice. But the facts remain the same, your disagreeing with the numbers doesn't change them.

this is a tricky subject.

Its like you must convince the public to not reproduce so much.... yet you cant really restrict them.

but then again, have we really reached the point where we are overcrowded?
i still have a fairly decent size yard and house.

Verital is curious as to how Colodia has collected knowledge of all 250+million citizens weight data first hand.
yes well, when you visit L.A., New York, Phoenix, Houston, Las Vegas, etc etc. you can talk like this.

Somehow I thought you might say that. Would it convince you any further if the US Food and Drug Administration (http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/obesity/) made the claim?



Perhaps you'd like to claim the FDA is simply mistaken as well. That's your choice. But the facts remain the same, your disagreeing with the numbers doesn't change them.
Question remains the same. Have you been here to back up your claim? If you did come here and see for yourself, you'd know why I cannot possibly believe what I'll still call "utter bullcrap"

Its not that simple; some of it is the excess of unprotected sex, but most of it is poor people of places like Asia who feel that have to have a million children to protect their liniage.

Yes but what besides sex would they do to have children.

yes well, when you visit L.A., New York, Phoenix, Houston, Las Vegas, etc etc. you can talk like this.
Verital is well traveled as well and finds many overweight citizens walk down the street. They may be more concentrated in other areas, and less in some, but Verital suggests that not all Americans are perfectly healthy weights.

Verital is well traveled as well and finds many overweight citizens walk down the street. They may be more concentrated in other areas, and less in some, but Verital suggests that not all Americans are perfectly healthy weights.
of course.

But definatly not one in every two people are overweight.

Question remains the same. Have you been here to back up your claim? If you did come here and see for yourself, you'd know why I cannot possibly believe what I'll still call "utter bullcrap"

The question is irrelevant. I haven't seen the world is round, does that mean I should believe it's flat? I haven't seen that cancer kills, should I believe it's harmless?

Most information we receive is second hand, and it should be taken with a grain of salt. However, these are two perfectly reputable organizations versus one person on the internet. It's not difficult to choose who to believe.

Moreover, I'm wondering if you even understand how they define overweight. They use a BMI (Body/Mass Index) scale to determine it. You may define overweight differently than they do, which may explain the differences in numbers.

Yeah, Can we just get away from obesity? The forces that create it are the exact opposite from those that create overpopulation. Thanks.

Moreover, I'm wondering if you even understand how they define overweight. They use a BMI (Body/Mass Index) scale to determine it. You may define overweight differently than they do, which may explain the differences in numbers.
Verital agrees.
According to BMI, Verital is overweight, yet is a perfectly healthy size and quite petite.

The question is irrelevant. I haven't seen the world is round, does that mean I should believe it's flat? I haven't seen that cancer kills, should I believe it's harmless?

Most information we receive is second hand, and it should be taken with a grain of salt. However, these are two perfectly reputable organizations versus one person on the internet. It's not difficult to choose who to believe.

Moreover, I'm wondering if you even understand how they define overweight. They use a BMI (Body/Mass Index) scale to determine it. You may define overweight differently than they do, which may explain the differences in numbers.
Must be the case. Let's see if they ONLY have information on America or if they also use their radical "facts" on other nations too.

Verital agrees.
According to BMI, Verital is overweight, yet is a perfectly healthy size and quite petite.

BTW, Can we not refer to ourselves in thrird person? Its a pet peeve of Southern Industrial.

Yeah, Can we just get away from obesity? The forces that create it are the exact opposite from those that create overpopulation. Thanks.


Excess food does not have a hand in excess population?

Verital is confused as to how starvation encourages reproduction...

Yeah, Can we just get away from obesity? The forces that create it are the exact opposite from those that create overpopulation. Thanks.

Not really. Choosing to do what feels good despite potentially harmful consequences can be argued to be the cause of both. Maybe everyone would like to have 6 children. That doesn't mean it's responsible, nor a good idea, to do so. Likewise lots of foods may be tasty, but that doesn't mean we should eat them in excess just because we want to.

But, in any event. I'll drop the obesity issue, since it doesn't really belong in this topic. My apologies for any unintentional thread hijacking.

Excess food does not have a hand in excess population?

Verital is confused as to how starvation encourages reproduction...
not always excess food.

there's a genetic trait that causes weight problems...
lack of exercise...
enviornmental problems...

etc etc

Not really. Choosing to do what feels good despite potentially harmful consequences can be argued to be the cause of both. Maybe everyone would like to have 6 children. That doesn't mean it's responsible, nor a good idea, to do so. Likewise lots of foods may be tasty, but that doesn't mean we should eat them in excess just because we want to.

But, in any event. I'll drop the obesity issue, since it doesn't really belong in this topic. My apologies for any unintentional thread hijacking.

You do have a point, but thanks. You can still talk about fat if you can relate it to overpopulation.

Excess food does not have a hand in excess population?

Verital is confused as to how starvation encourages reproduction...

You, on the other hand, don't have a point. What the wealthy eat in wealthy countries does not effect how the poor reproduce in poor countires. Poverty has been scientifically proven and is assumed by most sociolgists to contribute to overpopulation.

Have you even been here to see for yourself?

127 is a bit over half the population of the nation for cryin out loud. 1 in 2 people ARE NOT overweight dammit. These people get their stories screwed up or something.
They can give me all the statistics they want.
Nothing beats first-hand experience.

Colodia, I just wanted to tell you that when it comes to making a fool of yourself you're ahead of everyone. :D

FYI, the world is not overpopulated yet. we have enough resources to support more populations, only that they're unevenly distributed.

FYI, the world is not overpopulated yet. we have enough resources to support more populations, only that they're unevenly distributed.

Yeah, but we cannot support 6 billion Americans--shit, we're never going to support 1.5 billion Chinese with the American lifestyle they're veying for. Further more, the people bomb may explode with a few decades-- it called exponential growth. With our current growth, we could be doubling the world's population every 35 years.

Some nations are doing their part. I can't remember the exact figures right now (and can't bother to find them), but in Italy and Spain the women have an average of 1.2 babies. Wow! Other European countries are following suit, too. Go, Europe! That's a good thing, because us Europeans can confidently look down our noses at other nations that breed like rabbits. If only the birth-rate in USA was a bit higher, so we could feel even more morally superior in this matter as well... Although this could cross the line and make Europeans TOO snotty at putting the world right. I mean we, the EU, already THREATENED Sudan with economic sanctions. That'll teach 'em. Tremble in the face of our threats!

Yeah, but we cannot support 6 billion Americans--shit, we're never going to support 1.5 billion Chinese with the American lifestyle they're veying for. Further more, the people bomb may explode with a few decades-- it called exponential growth. With our current growth, we could be doubling the world's population every 35 years.
It'll stop growing eventually though - it's already stopped in many developed nations, with woman having less than 2 children. Right now, most of the growth you see in population is in less developed nations. There's not much of a need to worry, it's very unlike we'll surpass the Earth's carrying capacity...

I'd like to quickly refute the main argument about America being fat. When I look around, especially at the middle aged, just about everyone is fat. There's your first hand evidence.

It's not just poverty, either. Look at Mexican-Americans, for example. Much higher birth rate than white Americans. Now they aren't generally as well off, they're much better off than the people still in Mexico. And America, with our super spiffy (though unevenly distributed) GDP has a higher birthrate than Europe. The best example would have to be Eastern Europe and Russia, though. Poor, by all means. Russia's GDP per capita is slightly below Mexico's, but their population is declining in the same way as Germany's. Most of Eastern Europe's in the same decline. Meanwhile Mexico is growing rather quickly. There's a cultural part there too, and most likely several other important factors.

Eastern Europe also shows us that countries can have low or declining birthrates without having to first come up to our living standards. Being realistic, I don't think we can expect the majority of Africa or many parts of Asia to be catching up to the West in the forseeable future. In Africa especially, there are constant wars and instability, and of course the trouble of overpopulation again.

That's very bad, because unlike some of the people here, I think we're already overpopulated. As someone pointed out, what happens when China and India want to consume as much gas and other resources as America does now, with four (or possibly much more) times the population? We're already worrying about oil shortages, and other resources will come after. Plus, think about the environment. All those Chinese people creating American levels of pollution. More global warming, dirtier everything, and a big mess. Forests are going to be completely gone; we're on track to kill them off even without the extra people. Waiting for people's economic situations to magically fix everything is not a good option.

Eventually, many nations are going to have to address this issue. China's already tried. I think that there will be more and more attempts to get poor countries to use condoms, ban child labor (an economic incentive to have way too many kids in countries like India), and just be more European. There may be more genocide for "living space" or just to get disliked ethnicities crammed in next to the powerful out. We might try economic sanctions for the condoms/labor stuff. And if all that fails, there may be military-backed sterilization efforts in foreign countries to force a solution.

Edit: I was just thinking, the poverty could actually be helping in Eastern Europe. They have the concerns about supporting a family, but the high unemployment removes the idea of kids bringing cash. On the other hand, it might just be the same cultural/societal forces that are affecting the rest of Europe.

FYI, the world is not overpopulated yet. we have enough resources to support more populations, only that they're unevenly distributed.

Enough resources? lol If every Chinese would wish for a car we'd have to tell them that there's not enough iron in the world to grant them their wish. Oil is running out. Only 10% of the big fish population is left, and expectations are that they will soon follow the dinosaur. Oh, and drinkable water will be a real problem soon. In fact it already is in quite a few areas of the globe. Enough resources? Sure sounds like it. :rolleyes:

The world is expected to rise to around 10 billion by 2050, when it'll peak. I don't see how this will lead to a population problem that warrants cannibalism.

yes well, when you visit L.A., New York, Phoenix, Houston, Las Vegas, etc etc. you can talk like this.

i have visited all of the above, and more. i've lived in the US my whole life, and have lived in three major cities in three different regions. and i think the FDA and AOC have it right...Americans are, on average, medically overweight.

i have visited all of the above, and more. i've lived in the US my whole life, and have lived in three major cities in three different regions. and i think the FDA and AOC have it right...Americans are, on average, medically overweight.
Pretty soon, none of us can say that only America has a weight problem. It's gone global, and is even starting to spread into some third world countries. For the first time in the world's history, as many people are overnourished as they are undernourished.

What we need to do is steralize the monkeys that reproduce beyond their ability to support their offspring. Male and female alike.

Jim
the monkey population isnt out of control. the human population is

when people have enough economic security that they dont feel the need to produce extra children to insure their future, the population problem will go away

when women have the right to an education and to self determination the population problem will go away

Enough resources? lol If every Chinese would wish for a car we'd have to tell them that there's not enough iron in the world to grant them their wish. Oil is running out. Only 10% of the big fish population is left, and expectations are that they will soon follow the dinosaur. Oh, and drinkable water will be a real problem soon. In fact it already is in quite a few areas of the globe. Enough resources? Sure sounds like it. :rolleyes:

You're looking at everything from the Western, rich, luxurious point of view. What I mean by enough resources is that currently we have all the resources we need to support our population, it's just THE WESTERN, RICH, LUXURIOUS WORLD IS HOGGING IT ALL.

You're looking at everything from the Western, rich, luxurious point of view. What I mean by enough resources is that currently we have all the resources we need to support our population, it's just THE WESTERN, RICH, LUXURIOUS WORLD IS HOGGING IT ALL.
Who gave Africa and Asia the right to balloon to such proportions that they diminish our standard of living?

Who gave Africa and Asia the right to balloon to such proportions that they diminish our standard of living?
I know, god forbid they have access to education and clean drinking water!

The best way to solve overpopulation is the promotion of free and rampant homosexuality!

Currently it is estimated that 10% of the world's people are homosexual. Imagine we could get that to 25%, especially in poor countries! Then we would be free of overpopulation problems in a while.

I don't think overpopulation would be a good thing, not at all. It may help deplete resources, and many areas aren't equiped to handle such large populations. However, I don't think it'd be all bad, either.
For one, it's accompanied with a parallel trend of urbanization. Many cities have a hard time adjusting to the influx of rural workers, but some, like Belo Horizonte, Santiago, and Hyderabad, have done reasonably well in this respect. In the mean time, it'd free land for agriculture as population centers are more concentrated.
Also, we have a tremendous economic oppritunity. If that many people were educated, imagine what would happen to the world economy, or so many of our problems.

But I can count that out of 100 people here in the U.S., there will NOT be more than even 50 that're overweight. A little plump, perhaps. But not overweight.

I thought plump was overweight.

The best way to reduce population growth is to increase women's rights.

The following I posted on the cannabalism thread:

"This is not the way to solve Overpopulation! It doesn't solve the problem of excessive growth! We need to legalize abortion and educated everyone on earth, esp. women. We need to support womens' choice in her reproduction. And we need to increase the wealth of everyone on Earth, not just fat Americans. "

I don't see how anyone can promote a pro-death argument because of overpopulation.

The goal of my government is having a bigger and BIGGER population. Reproduction is great!

Just so you know, U.S. gov weight standards are ridiculous, taking into account only height and weight, not muscle mass vs. body fat. Here's a nice list of famous people who are obese:

Steve McNair: 6'2": 235 lbs: 30
Donovan McNabb: 6'3": 240 lbs: 30
Sammy Sosa: 6'0": 220 lbs: 30
Mike Tyson: 5'11½": fighting weight between 218-235: 30-32
Mark McGuire (playing weight): 6'5": 250 lbs: 30
Matt LeBlanc: 5'11": 218 lbs: 30
Tom Cruise: 5'7": 201 lbs: 31
Arnold Schwarzenegger: 6'2": 257 lbs: 33
The Rock (Dwayne Johnson): 6'5": 275 lbs: 33
Sylvester Stallone: 5'9": 228 lbs: 34

And many more who are overweight:

Andy Roddick: 6'2": 197 lbs: 25
Bobby Labonte: 5'9": 170 lbs: 25
Michael Jordan: 6'6": 216 lbs: 25
Kobe Bryant: 6'6": 200 lbs: 25
Nick Lachey: 5'10": 180 lbs: 26
President Bush: 5'11": 194 lbs: 26
Matt Damon: 5'11": 187 lbs: 26
Dale Jarrett: 6'2": 200 lbs: 26
Richard Gere: 5'11": 187 lbs: 26
Vin Diesel: 6'2": 200 lbs: 26
Johnny Depp: 5'7": 190 lbs: 27
Denzel Washington: 6'0": 199 lbs: 27
Billy Zane: 6'2": 210 lbs: 27
Will Smith: 6'2": 210 lbs: 27
Cal Ripken: 6'4": 210 lbs: 27
Tom Brady: 6'4": 225 lbs: 27
Yao Ming: 7'6": 310 lbs: 27
Karl Malone: 6'9": 259 lbs: 28
David Boreanaz: 6'2": 218 lbs: 28
Nic Cage: 6'1": 210 lbs: 28
Brad Pitt: 6'0": 203 lbs: 28
Barry Bonds: 6'2": 228 lbs: 29
Brendan Fraser: 6'3": 234 lbs: 29
Keanu Reeves: 6'1": 223 lbs: 29
David Duchovny: 6'0": 212 lbs: 29
George Clooney: 5'11": 211 lbs: 29
Harrison Ford: 6'1": 218 lbs: 29
Bruce Willis: 6'0": 200 lbs: 29
Dr. Phil McGraw: 6'4": 240 lbs: 29

I would like to bring up the opinion of an Australian who seem to be getting fatter too (not me personally I am technically underweight). We are just copying America, go back to the good ol' days without Maccas and everyone was ok. It is all that sugar. But women who put on too much way can actually stop their menstrualk cycle so getting fat is a way of slowing population growth around the world.

PS: Good work Pope John-Paul in saying that condoms don't stop aids. Riiight what ever you say Popie (bigger population more AIDS I am sure it works out somehow)

India's tried an interesting way to attempt to reduce the birth rate: give television to the people. If people are too busy watching tv to have sex, logic says that the birth rate will fall; provided they don't put much porn on. That could result in an INCREASE in birth rate.

I agree that to reduce high population growth rates, women should be given equal rights to men. However, you end up running into a brick wall called religion.

I would like to bring up the opinion of an Australian who seem to be getting fatter too (not me personally I am technically underweight). We are just copying America, go back to the good ol' days without Maccas and everyone was ok. It is all that sugar. But women who put on too much way can actually stop their menstrualk cycle so getting fat is a way of slowing population growth around the world.

PS: Good work Pope John-Paul in saying that condoms don't stop aids. Riiight what ever you say Popie (bigger population more AIDS I am sure it works out somehow)

If there were an STD in my country, i will segragate the two populations and put unlimited funds for a cure. The infected will be able to do everything. After a full diagnosis is known, we will let the infected out, but we must warn them of the risks and the consequences of violating by having sex as an example with someone who is not infected.

Sexual related activities among the infected is allowed. If noted that a child could have this disease, then pregnancy will be condemned among the infected. That's where abortion comes into act unless there is a cure. We don't want a child suffering. But we don't want to enforce the abortion. So it is voluntary.

The infected will get anything they want while in the facility. Once the infected leaves for good, they will get $1,000,000 Lira, unless a cure is already found, in that case, no money will be handed out.

I don't think overpopulation would be a good thing, not at all. It may help deplete resources, and many areas aren't equiped to handle such large populations. However, I don't think it'd be all bad, either.
For one, it's accompanied with a parallel trend of urbanization. Many cities have a hard time adjusting to the influx of rural workers, but some, like Belo Horizonte, Santiago, and Hyderabad, have done reasonably well in this respect. In the mean time, it'd free land for agriculture as population centers are more concentrated.
Also, we have a tremendous economic oppritunity. If that many people were educated, imagine what would happen to the world economy, or so many of our problems.
Yeah, overpopulation's gonna free up land. :rolleyes:

Those folks listed above are overweight, but not obese. Obesity is calcutated using body fat percentage. I am "obese," and "overweight." My body fat percentage is 22%. The athletes listed above are around 8% on average. Which is not obese.
I'm 6', 210 lbs btw. That is actually obese and overweight. So, yes 2/3 of the US pop. is rather unhealthy. I consider myself pretty "average," and average looks rather bad.

The best way to solve overpopulation is the promotion of free and rampant homosexuality!

Currently it is estimated that 10% of the world's people are homosexual. Imagine we could get that to 25%, especially in poor countries! Then we would be free of overpopulation problems in a while.
Get over here.

Those folks listed above are overweight, but not obese. Obesity is calcutated using body fat percentage. I am "obese," and "overweight." My body fat percentage is 22%. The athletes listed above are around 8% on average. Which is not obese.
I'm 6', 210 lbs btw. That is actually obese and overweight. So, yes 2/3 of the US pop. is rather unhealthy. I consider myself pretty "average," and average looks rather bad.

That is if the U.S. government considered body fat percentage, which they don't, and which hasn't been considered in any of the censuses taken on this topic, so at this point no one really knows how many people are actually unhealthily overweight or obese.