NationStates Jolt Archive

Would you kill baby Hitler/Osama/Saddam if you had the chance? I would.

Baby? No. In order to do that, I'd have to be in the past, and I don't believe in fate. The baby is still is as of yet innocent, and has done nothing wrong. Killing them for something they may or may not do in the future doesn't fly by me. I would kill the adult counterparts though.

Would you kill baby Hitler/Osama/Saddam if you had the chance? I would.
The temporary negative impacts they had (and are having) made (and are making) lasting positive changes in the world.

but you can't change their fate to do evil. Are you telling me that you would allow a man to kill over 20 million jews, even though you had a chance to end it?

No, it would cause a different future which would probaly be bad. For all the horrible things Hitler did he actually did some good by advancing technology.
There is one person that I would like to have seen killed as a baby and that is Lenin so communism wouldn't be so big.

but you can't change their fate to do evil. Are you telling me that you would allow a man to kill over 20 million jews, even though you had a chance to end it?

As I said, I don't believe in fate. Just because in one possible future, they commit atrocities, doesn't mean that if played out again it will happen exactly the same way. There's a lot of random chance in life. The smallest thing happening differently can alter the future in unimaginable ways.

A preemptive killing on the theory of fate is not something I support, no.

Would you kill baby Hitler/Osama/Saddam if you had the chance? I would.
This poll is so speculative, and sooooo wrong. Why bother?

but you can't change their fate to do evil. Are you telling me that you would allow a man to kill over 20 million jews, even though you had a chance to end it?

The number is 6 million, 8 million if you count gypsies, homosexuals, and others he exterminated. And no, I would not kill the baby either, not just becuase the baby itself is not innocent, but becuase no one can predict what consequences could occur if he had not existed. Suppose instead of Hitler leading his country into World War II, another madmen had, and was less of the idiotic strategic commander Hitler thought he was, so the Nazi's win WWII (or at least make it last a lot longer), now 12 million have been killed, you've basically created 4,000,000 more deaths.

I would love them and raise them right
and buy whatever psychiatric drugs they might need

Like many have said, these people are only a tempory evil. Their negative influence will definatly have more positives advances down the road. If I was to kill and one as a child, I would kill Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, because they constantly brainwash so many people into believing everyhting they say, and not letting people make their own opinions, which is just as bad as the Communists.

If it weren't for Hitler, America may very well be in the post-stock market crash depression of the 1930s.

If it weren't for Osama bin Laden, the mistake of the CIA propping up the Taliban may never have been corrected.

If it weren't for Saddam Hussein...uh...we may never have known how terrible a president George W. Bush is...

If it weren't for Hitler, America may very well be in the post-stock market crash depression of the 1930s.

Additionally, America would have never become a world superpower.

The number is 6 million, 8 million if you count gypsies, homosexuals, and others he exterminated. And no, I would not kill the baby either, not just becuase the baby itself is not innocent, but becuase no one can predict what consequences could occur if he had not existed. Suppose instead of Hitler leading his country into World War II, another madmen had, and was less of the idiotic strategic commander Hitler thought he was, so the Nazi's win WWII (or at least make it last a lot longer), now 12 million have been killed, you've basically created 4,000,000 more deaths.

Well uh... it is widely rumored that Stalin was planning to invade Europe, but Hitler attacked him and threw years and years of planning out of wack. So for that reason it is rumored Stalin went insane for a couple of days and locked himself in his chambers not believing that some mad raving dictator ruined his countless hours of meticulous planning.

And it is possible that without Hitler, Stalin might have taken Europe, due to the fact that there were enough communist agitation in most of Europe.

However, I believe Stalin's plans would have succeeded if Stalin invaded Nazi Germany when it was on the verge of crippling France. HE could use the excuse of coming to France's rescue to keep Britain and America from opposing him and could have surprised the Nazis enough to achieve a quick victory.

However this is all speculation so I don't want people to yell at me.

I wouldn't know if they were a baby dictator, so, why would I kill a random baby I knew nothing of their parentage?

To do so would require me to harm a childe, so No. I would let them live to their full destiny.

Well uh... it is widely rumored that Stalin was planning to invade Europe, but Hitler attacked him and threw years and years of planning out of wack. So for that reason it is rumored Stalin went insane for a couple of days and locked himself in his chambers not believing that some mad raving dictator ruined his countless hours of meticulous planning.

And it is possible that without Hitler, Stalin might have taken Europe, due to the fact that there were enough communist agitation in most of Europe.

However, I believe Stalin's plans would have succeeded if Stalin invaded Nazi Germany when it was on the verge of crippling France. HE could use the excuse of coming to France's rescue to keep Britain and America from opposing him and could have surprised the Nazis enough to achieve a quick victory.

However this is all speculation so I don't want people to yell at me.

There are many reports that Stalin was preparing for a gambit into Europe, but only against Hitler. He was completely absorbed in defending the Soviet Union, instead of promoting a worldwide Revolution he supported only Communism in the Soviet Union. He had no intentions of taking over Europe, he just wanted to secure the Soviet Union from a rival ideology. In 1939 however the Red Army was scattered far and wide, and had not even undergone the changes that it was undergoing in June 1941. These changes were setting up an offensive army to wash over Germany, Hitler just hit first.
But even without Nazi Germany, given how paranoid Stalin was, it may be likely he would have developed a paranoia of the West (like he did from '45 onwards), and attacked Poland, Weimar Germany, and the Western democracies, which is all eerily reminiscent of C&C: Red Alert.

Me being able to do so would require the use of time travel, and if time travel was ever developed (in the weird form of tense that must be invoked whenever time travel is brought up) history would be so thrown off that these people would probably never have committed their crimes anyway.

Add Stalin to the list and my answer's a emphantic "YES!".

I wouldn't kill baby Adolph.... I'd let the guy into art school though.

The number is 6 million, 8 million if you count gypsies, homosexuals, and others he exterminated."60million? 20million? 7million? 2million? we dont know the numbers...and we dont know what percentage where Jews...

and no I would not kill a baby.

There are many reports that Stalin was preparing for a gambit into Europe, but only against Hitler. He was completely absorbed in defending the Soviet Union, instead of promoting a worldwide Revolution he supported only Communism in the Soviet Union. He had no intentions of taking over Europe, he just wanted to secure the Soviet Union from a rival ideology. In 1939 however the Red Army was scattered far and wide, and had not even undergone the changes that it was undergoing in June 1941. These changes were setting up an offensive army to wash over Germany, Hitler just hit first.
But even without Nazi Germany, given how paranoid Stalin was, it may be likely he would have developed a paranoia of the West (like he did from '45 onwards), and attacked Poland, Weimar Germany, and the Western democracies, which is all eerily reminiscent of C&C: Red Alert.

Well that is an interesting point of view. However I still hold that even if his aim was only to invade Germany at first and if he succeeded, the communist elements in surrounding nations would recieve gracious support from the USSR it is likely that Italy and France would turn communistic. And of course since the Red Army would need to roll through Poland... Poland would undoubtedly be outfitted with a more "friendly" government.

Now the cause of such events would probably be paranoia but many lands were conquered throughout history because of paranoia.

"60million? 20million? 7million? 2million? we dont know the numbers...and we dont know what percentage where Jews...

and no I would not kill a baby.

Actually, the Nazi's were very meticilous in there record keeping, and we know of Jewish populations in Europe before the Second Great War, and the populations after that, using these records and known population fluxes, we come out with the numbers. After decades of exhaustive research the accepted death toll is currently 6,000,000 Jews, with about 2,000,000 other "Nazi Undesirables". The highest number that is currently feasible is 10,000,000 Jews and 3,000,000 other "Nazi Undesirables", but the former number of 8,000,000 is the most generally accepted.