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Maybe this reminds you of Michael Dukakis in 1988 in a tank with a ridiculous tank helmet on. That photo ruined Dukakis and helped George Bush win the presidency.

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/images/life/dukakis.jpg
That is the Dukakis photo. It ruined his campaign. John Kerry's photo is even more absurd, so will it ruin his campaign. You decide for yourself.

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http://www.foxnews.com/images/132985/0_22_kerry_nasa_big.jpg

Maybe this reminds you of Michael Dukakis in 1988 in a tank with a ridiculous tank helmet on. That photo ruined Dukakis and helped George Bush win the presidency.

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/images/life/dukakis.jpg
That is the Dukakis photo. It ruined his campaign. John Kerry's photo is even more absurd, so will it ruin his campaign. You decide for yourself.
It sounds as if this is an original thought--oh wait, I watch CNN too...

Remember that part of the Woody Allan movie "Everything you wanted to know about sex.." where woody is dressed like a sperm, well kerry looks like a big blue sperm.

It sounds as if this is an original thought--oh wait, I watch CNN too...
That is weird... I am watching MSNBC...

no. The tank picture made Dukakis look like a phony. The biosuit picture makes it look like Kerry is wearing a costume

[enter the hive mind] Yes, this reminds me of when Dukakis rode in a tank... thank you liberal media for giving me my opinions through RNC talking-points...

Part of the problem with Dukakis in some people's minds is that he looks like, well, that.

There's a point at where that becomes important in some people's minds, sad though it may be, and it was probably one of the swingpoints.

Remember that people tend to choose presidents that are either tall or have good hair (Scott Adams). It's not exactly a stretch to assume that other parts of appearance will have influence as well.

If this is the worst the right wing's got, then we've got nothing to worry about. After all, we've got pics of Dubya falling off a Segway for crying out loud.

If this is the worst the right wing's got, then we've got nothing to worry about. After all, we've got pics of Dubya falling off a Segway for crying out loud.

He fell off of his bicycle again yesterday... how many times does that make it now? Oh, and then there was the time he tripped over his dog -- and let's not forget the pretzel incedent.

I wonder... is this a sign of his alcholism or is someone beating the shit out of him behind the sceens to keep him in line

If this is the worst the right wing's got, then we've got nothing to worry about. After all, we've got pics of Dubya falling off a Segway for crying out loud.

And let it be known there are pictures of Dubya looking through a binocular with it's lense covers still on. In addition, there was the time where he waved to Stevie Wonder. If I find the pics, I will post them.

I saw bush sr. jump off a plane (skydiving) and he hit his head on the top of the plane. It was hilarious.

I saw bush sr. jump off a plane (skydiving) and he hit his head on the top of the plane. It was hilarious.

you cant jump out of a plane and hit your head on the top of the plane...

The top of the door. He jumped out backwards and hit the back of his head on the top of the door.

I really hope that the voters have more of a brain than to vote against Kerry just because of the blue suit photo, and if not, we're in trouble. If they have other reasons not to vote for him, then all the power to them....but anyone who sees the photo and is like, "Oh, he looks dumb, I'm not voting for him now!" is ri-goddamn-diculous!

It also looked like his face was airbrushed on using photoshop.


If it hadn't come from fox, I would have thought it was fake.

Even if it did come from fox, it must be fake...

Well now you know Kerry promotes safe sex. :fluffle:

http://www.foxnews.com/images/132985/0_22_kerry_nasa_big.jpg

Maybe this reminds you of Michael Dukakis in 1988 in a tank with a ridiculous tank helmet on. That photo ruined Dukakis and helped George Bush win the presidency.

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/images/life/dukakis.jpg
That is the Dukakis photo. It ruined his campaign. John Kerry's photo is even more absurd, so will it ruin his campaign. You decide for yourself.

No, John Kerry was actually taking a tour of NASA, he had to wear the suit for safety reasons..

I would compare the Michael Dukakis pic more with the sight of Bush jr. on the Aircraft carrier in a flight suit. They are much more a like.. Kerry had to wear what he was wearing to take the tour. It's a non-starter.. However, since the Republicans have no record to run on, they can make fun of Kerry instead of running on the issues.

Well now you know Kerry promotes safe sex. :fluffle:
Then I guess he hates Clinton.

Then I guess he hates Clinton.


Huh huh Clinton... huh huh penis huh huh cigar
Hey Beavis, should we think of a better joke?

:rolleyes:
Yes, Yes you should

No, John Kerry was actually taking a tour of NASA, he had to wear the suit for safety reasons..

I would compare the Michael Dukakis pic more with the sight of Bush jr. on the Aircraft carrier in a flight suit. They are much more a like.. Kerry had to wear what he was wearing to take the tour. It's a non-starter.. However, since the Republicans have no record to run on, they can make fun of Kerry instead of running on the issues.
what? you can;t imagine AWOL Texas Air Guard Bush Jr on an aircraft carrier after coming from a plane?

Oh wait, neither can I...

Huh huh Clinton... huh huh penis huh huh cigar
Hey Beavis, should we think of a better joke?

:rolleyes:
Yes, Yes you should

Hey, it just seemed right.

And let it be known there are pictures of Dubya looking through a binocular with it's lense covers still on. In addition, there was the time where he waved to Stevie Wonder. If I find the pics, I will post them.

Don't forget how Kerry fell on his snowboard and blamed it on an "SOB" secret service agent, because John Kerry never falls. He did fall on bike too, but yet again it was the secret service agents' fault. Can we get some candidates with a sense of balance please. Say what you want about Reagan, but he hardly ever fell off of his horse.

No, John Kerry was actually taking a tour of NASA, he had to wear the suit for safety reasons..

I would compare the Michael Dukakis pic more with the sight of Bush jr. on the Aircraft carrier in a flight suit. They are much more a like.. Kerry had to wear what he was wearing to take the tour. It's a non-starter.. However, since the Republicans have no record to run on, they can make fun of Kerry instead of running on the issues.

Dukakis had to wear a helmet for safety reasons. The thing about him was he looked like a midget anyway so it just made him more funny. Bush had to wear a flight suit (have you ever been in a fighter jet?) for safety reasons as well. You don't see people wearing suits and ties in flight. He looked a bit lost on board, maybe he was looking for his bottle. Kerry was funny because the picture makes him look like a sperm (from Lurch) going up the birth canal, looking for an elusive egg.

PS-Remember every one made fun of Ford for falling down all the time, and Clinton for jogging to McDonalds, then eating big macs.

Bush had to wear a flight suit (have you ever been in a fighter jet?) for safety reasons as well.

Right, it's all coming back to me, that's when Bush said "Mission Accomplished" .. what an idiot..lol (not you, Bush)

And let it be known there are pictures of Dubya looking through a binocular with it's lense covers still on. In addition, there was the time where he waved to Stevie Wonder. If I find the pics, I will post them.

Faked (http://www.snopes.com/photos/binoculars.asp) and didn't happen (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bushwave.htm), respectively.

Right, it's all coming back to me, that's when Bush said "Mission Accomplished" .. what an idiot..lol (not you, Bush)Kind of like when Kerry said he voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.

Yeah...Ford fell down ALL the time. Remember when he fell down the steps of Air Force one?

Carter was attacked by a rabbit while in a canoe.

Reagan...no slapstick there.

Bush 1....threw up in the Japanese Prime Ministers lap.

Clinton....Jogging to McDonalds, jogging and still gaining weight, vacationing in Wyoming because a poll said he should...looked miserable.

Bush 2....So many verbal gaffs, too many to count.

We do get a good laugh at our presidents though, and it is good to live in a country where we can.

Kind of like when Kerry said he voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.

Not quite.. Bush out right lied, where as Kerry's statement if listened to in context and not just a sound bite taken out of context made perfect sense.

Not quite.. Bush out right lied, where as Kerry's statement if listened to in context and not just a sound bite taken out of context made perfect sense.Slander the President of my country all you want. Your pathetic semantical argument just tries to cover up the fact that Kerry has lied more in 2004 that Bush has in 4 years as President.


"PRESIDENT BUSH: A year ago, I did give the speech from the carrier, saying that we had achieved an important objective, that we'd accomplished a mission, which was the removal of Saddam Hussein. And as a result, there are no longer torture chambers or rape rooms or mass graves in Iraq. As a result, a friend of terror has been removed, and now sits in a jail. I also said on that carrier that day that there was still difficult work ahead.

And we've faced tough times in Iraq, Mr. Prime Minister, we've had some tough times. We've had some tough fighting, because there are people who hate the idea of a free Iraq. They're trying to stop progress, because they understand what freedom means to their terrorist ambitions.

And so we're making progress, you bet. There's a strategy toward freedom. One of it, of course, is to continue to deal with those who are trying to stop the Iraqi people from realizing their ambitions of a free society. Whether it be in Fallujah, or elsewhere, we will deal with them, those few who are stopping the hopes of many.

There's a political strategy, and the Prime Minister and I will talk about that over lunch -- Mr. Brahimi's mission of putting together an entity to which we will transfer sovereignty. No, there is a strategy that will help us achieve the objective, which is a free and peaceful country in the heart of the Middle East that is desperate for freedom and democracy and peace. "

Is that a lie?

Not quite.. Bush out right lied, where as Kerry's statement if listened to in context and not just a sound bite taken out of context made perfect sense.

Not to mention the fact that he changed his vote after the addition of an amendment to that bill which would have pulled all the funds for it from those who could least afford it.

Edit: I'm looking for the summary at the moment...

Not to mention the fact that he changed his vote after the addition of an amendment to that bill which would have pulled all the funds for it from those who could least afford it.

Edit: I'm looking for the summary at the moment...

Huh? It, like ALL such things would come from public funds...not individuals.

I doubt a stupid photo will ruin a campaign!

Slander the President of my country all you want. Your pathetic semantical argument.

First, it's not slander, the mission is still not accomplished let alone when he tried to claim it was.

Second, I would caution you on flaming.. please refrain from calling people "pathetic" not just a mod, but any one.

Huh? It, like ALL such things would come from public funds...not individuals.


Yes, and if I remember correctly, the bill sought funds which were originally destined for schools or health care or some such. It's been a few weeks since I read the article, and I'm having trouble finding it again, but it was something along those lines.

In any case, Kerry decided that the bill, as it was presented, was no longer suitable to be enacted. So he changed his vote.

Yes, and if I remember correctly, the bill sought funds which were originally destined for schools or health care or some such. It's been a few weeks since I read the article, and I'm having trouble finding it again, but it was something along those lines.

In any case, Kerry decided that the bill, as it was presented, was no longer suitable to be enacted. So he changed his vote.

Thats funny...then on the ONE day Kerry shows up to work in the Senate this entire year, to vote AGAINST a bill giving disabled veterans (which I am) greater benefits. he cannot because of a rider to the bill that was not finished. So he claims the whole thing was set up to prevent him from voting. :rolleyes:

Thats funny...then on the ONE day Kerry shows up to work in the Senate this entire year, to vote AGAINST a bill giving disabled veterans (which I am) greater benefits. he cannot because of a rider to the bill that was not finished. So he claims the whole thing was set up to prevent him from voting. :rolleyes:

I believe the old saying about robbing from the right hand to feed the left applies here. Would you be willing to give up some of your benifits in order to gain others? Are you willing to make other people do that? Kerry wasn't, and I can't blame him.

oh no Kerry was in a baby blue suit. He obviously doesnt deserve to be President of the United States.

Gimme a break... do you really find this news worthy? lol

I believe the old saying about robbing from the right hand to feed the left applies here. Would you be willing to give up some of your benifits in order to gain others? Are you willing to make other people do that? Kerry wasn't, and I can't blame him.

When one gives up a benefit, it is gone. We disabled veterans already have 2 strikes against us, we are disabled and we have members of congress like kerry who refuse to do the right thing by us. Whenever the gov't takes benefits away it does so for it's benefit, not someone elses. Veterans benefits are hard fought for and the man who wants to be the commander in chief had better remember that.

Kind of like when Kerry said he voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
Or like the Republicans voted against the $87 billion before they voted for it because it was more important to protect those tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans than it was to provide our soldiers with the tools they need. You don't want to go down this road, bub.

I really hope that the voters have more of a brain than to vote against Kerry just because of the blue suit photo, and if not, we're in trouble. If they have other reasons not to vote for him, then all the power to them....but anyone who sees the photo and is like, "Oh, he looks dumb, I'm not voting for him now!" is ri-goddamn-diculous!

very true!!! i mean come on america we need to hold ourselves to higher moral standards then a stupid pic of a blue suit. we need to see what john kerry is really about, the man behind the suit if you will. and when you look past the suit you see a guy who shows off his 3 purple hearts and doesnt have a limp or aches to go along with them (makes you wonder...i thought purple hearts were for getting shot). you see a guy who brags about his vietnam experience and how he went and fought when others didnt, lets not forget...theres something called the draft. oh yes and his silver star i almost forgot, his best award. well he got that by driving his speed boat into enemy fire to check on guy who had been taken down by a 50 caliber machine gun, now let me ask you...who was the last person you saw get up from a 50? so what we have is someone who is a frickin pansy who brags bout his vietnam experience (if we want military experience in the white house im all for it...give the vietnam SEALs a call and see if their availabe) i also want to know why the democrats have chosen 9/11 as a platform to base their campaign on. if gore was in office id probably leave the country in fear. and if john kerry was in office we would spend his first term in office talking about it and listening to that 9/11 comission report, sits in afghanistan and the middle east continue to plan new attacks. instead of going out and putting forth the effort to take these guys down we want to sit around and talk about it...thats . so this is why we need to look beyond that blue suit and see what kerry is really about. :headbang:

Just a side note...

George Bush doesn't need to wear a ridiculous suit (which Kerry had to wear to tour the facility, which Bush would never tour, because it's science and science is evil) to look like a chimp.

Or like the Republicans voted against the $87 billion before they voted for it because it was more important to protect those tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans than it was to provide our soldiers with the tools they need. You don't want to go down this road, bub.

Who pays the majority of income taxes in the US? According to the IRS it is the top 50% of earners. Why can't you keep more of what you make. Should we all just give more money to the government. Almost 50% of my earnings went to taxes last year. Is that good or bad?

Just a side note...

George Bush doesn't need to wear a ridiculous suit (which Kerry had to wear to tour the facility, which Bush would never tour, because it's science and science is evil) to look like a chimp.

Thats pretty funny. However, Kerry and his people are all upset over the picture. They say that NASA set him up and he did not know a camera was there. :rolleyes: He does not have his eyes closed and the camera was right in front of him, so is he blind?

no matter what the left says their canidates look stupid because they are stupid.

No, John Kerry was actually taking a tour of NASA, he had to wear the suit for safety reasons..

I would compare the Michael Dukakis pic more with the sight of Bush jr. on the Aircraft carrier in a flight suit. They are much more a like.. Kerry had to wear what he was wearing to take the tour. It's a non-starter.. However, since the Republicans have no record to run on, they can make fun of Kerry instead of running on the issues.

Great point. I work at a lab where visitors typically will have to don coats and dumb looking safety glasses to be led around. Poking fun of Kerry in a silly picture is just as fine as my "Bushisms" Daily Calendar on my desk here at work. My favorite Bushism so far has been "Its your money, you paid for it!" Will it ruin Kerry's campaign? I think not.

I really hope that the voters have more of a brain than to vote against Kerry just because of the blue suit photo, and if not, we're in trouble. If they have other reasons not to vote for him, then all the power to them....but anyone who sees the photo and is like, "Oh, he looks dumb, I'm not voting for him now!" is ri-goddamn-diculous!
you are correct but it is as dumb as voting for him in spite of his voting record. for me that should the only issue

in response to endless stream of digusting leftist rhetoric coming fomr opal isle i would have to say that you sound typical of an ingnorant liberal just eating up everything the liberal media says.

no matter what the left says their canidates look stupid because they are stupid.

Just about as stupid as those candidates on the right. I still got 5 months worth of Bushisms on my calendar. I'll give you a new one everyday!

in response to endless stream of digusting leftist rhetoric coming fomr opal isle i would have to say that you sound typical of an ingnorant liberal just eating up everything the liberal media says.
Right, media that doesn't bash the Democrats and Clinton constantly and doesn't sing the praises of the GOP 24/7 is very liberal. Here's your sign.

It's useless to argue with people who think that changing your mind because better information has come along is akin to weakness or stupidity.

Also, to even think for a moment that soldiers would not get their funding because one version of the 87 billion dollar funding package was voted against are incredibly stupid. It was a vote against a version that Kerry felt gave way to much to the big contractors, and not enough to the troops themselves. Now, keep up if you can...when one version gets voted down, another version is proposed. The soldiers would never have been in dager of going without funding, even if 50 versions were voted down in a row. Get it?

An complaining about Kerry denuying veterans benefits is ridiculous, since it's Bush who was initially interested in cutting veteran's benefits, benefits for families of soldiers killed in combat, danger pay, and on and on.

Also, it was the Bush administration who invaded Iraq without enough troops and without properly supplying the troops with things like body armor.

Please try to understand how senate votes actualy work before talking nonsnese about Kerry.

Yeah...Ford fell down ALL the time. Remember when he fell down the steps of Air Force one?

Carter was attacked by a rabbit while in a canoe.

Reagan...no slapstick there.

Bush 1....threw up in the Japanese Prime Ministers lap.

Clinton....Jogging to McDonalds, jogging and still gaining weight, vacationing in Wyoming because a poll said he should...looked miserable.

Bush 2....So many verbal gaffs, too many to count.

We do get a good laugh at our presidents though, and it is good to live in a country where we can.
Can we see photos of these hilarious incidents? Surely there must be something funny to do with Reagan. He was president for 8 years, and he told jokes as well!

Can we see photos of these hilarious incidents? Surely there must be something funny to do with Reagan. He was president for 8 years, and he told jokes as well!
Well there was the hilarious "We begin bombing is three minutes" line.

Can we see photos of these hilarious incidents? Surely there must be something funny to do with Reagan. He was president for 8 years, and he told jokes as well!
The entire "I have signed legislation outlawing russia, we commense bombing in five minutes" quote makes me laugh

(Yeah, thats rough. Merh)

Who pays the majority of income taxes in the US? According to the IRS it is the top 50% of earners. Why can't you keep more of what you make. Should we all just give more money to the government. Almost 50% of my earnings went to taxes last year. Is that good or bad?
Alow me to give you a lesson in what I like to call "bullshit statistics." Who make up the top 50% of earners in the US, the group that pays the majority of taxes? Millionaires? CEOs? Nope--anyone making over $26K a year. By that measure, I'll be in the top 50% this year for the first time in my life. So if half of the people earning wages in the US are making less than $26K a year, I would think it would be quite reasonable that they're paying the lion's share of taxes.

But that's beside the point when we're talking about my original point about Kerry's vote versus the Republican vote on the $87 billion going to Iraq. Kerry's yes vote was the responsible one--there was never any doubt that those tax dollars would be spent. The only real question was whether we would pay for the expense by holding off on some tax cuts on the very wealthiest Americans, those most able to afford it, or borrowing the money from future revenues in order to make sure that those wealthiest Americans got to keep their tax cuts in place.

Let me emphasize the difference here--that money was going to be spent regardless; no one was going to let this situation go unfunded--the only question was about how it was going to be paid for. Kerry voted that we should pay as we go, and that meant that he was voting against his own personal economic self-interest, because he's part of the group who benefited from the tax cuts on teh wealthiest Americans. The Republicans said it was more important to preserve those tax cuts than to equip our soldiers in the field.

Tell me something--why do the Senate Republicans hate the soldiers serving in Iraq? (I'm only using that rhetorical device because it's been used in a bullshit manner against Democrats in the past.)

Thank you Incertonia and Gymoor! (I think I got the names right)
Oh, and to a lot of the other people here... before you start bashing people, make sure your information is reliable and not taken out of context... and if you're trying to make a point, I really don't think calling people names will make them understand your point of view. As for Kerry being in the blue suit... I don't think it'll make much of a difference in his campaign, he was just following the rules for the area, apparently, and he doesn't look that stupid... well... kind of... anyways, it was probably taken by a hidden security camera, that's why he didn't know his picture was being taken.

Alow me to give you a lesson in what I like to call "bullshit statistics." Who make up the top 50% of earners in the US, the group that pays the majority of taxes? Millionaires? CEOs? Nope--anyone making over $26K a year. By that measure, I'll be in the top 50% this year for the first time in my life. So if half of the people earning wages in the US are making less than $26K a year, I would think it would be quite reasonable that they're paying the lion's share of taxes.



Sorry to contradict your "bullshit statistics", but 96 percent of income taxes are paid by the top 50 percent of taxpayers. Check the IRS figures yourself. How long have you been paying taxes for, let alone working. If I could have kept what is rightfully mine, then I would have been a multi millionaire already. It's simple, if you make 12,000 a year are you most likely paying extra at the end of the year? No, poor people do pay taxes, but quite frankly not much which is a good thing. It's all well and good to believe in such things, but wait thirty years when you are making more money. See how you feel when you get raped each year come tax time. I pay more in taxes every year then the bottom 50% makes. Is it fair? No. Abolish income tax and institute a national sales tax.

Sorry to contradict your "bullshit statistics", but 96 percent of income taxes are paid by the top 50 percent of taxpayers. Check the IRS figures yourself. How long have you been paying taxes for, let alone working. If I could have kept what is rightfully mine, then I would have been a multi millionaire already. It's simple, if you make 12,000 a year are you most likely paying extra at the end of the year? No, poor people do pay taxes, but quite frankly not much which is a good thing. It's all well and good to believe in such things, but wait thirty years when you are making more money. See how you feel when you get raped each year come tax time. I pay more in taxes every year then the bottom 50% makes. Is it fair? No. Abolish income tax and institute a national sales tax.
Edit--Sorry--I misspoke. I meant to say that the top 50% of taxpayers are the people who make from $26,000 a year and up. and that they pay 96% of the taxes--it's not far below $26,000 a year that you're below the poverty line. My apologies.


I'm 35 years old--I've been working and paying taxes since I was 14. And if you were actually forced to pay the free market for every bit of the infrastructure you've made use of, infrastructure built and provided by the government, then you would be worse off than you are today. Or do you really think that private armies are cheaper than the US Army? That private roads are cheaper than the interstate highway system? That unregulated companies would follow rigorous health and safety standards if they weren't forced to by federal regulatory agencies? That air travel would be as safe as it is without the FAA? Taxes are the dues we pay for advanced society,a nd people like you who act as though you're being put upon by paying taxes when you've taken out far more than you'll ever pay in--even if you're Bill Fucking Gates--just piss me off.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/132985/0_22_kerry_nasa_big.jpg

Maybe this reminds you of Michael Dukakis in 1988 in a tank with a ridiculous tank helmet on. That photo ruined Dukakis and helped George Bush win the presidency.

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/images/life/dukakis.jpg
That is the Dukakis photo. It ruined his campaign. John Kerry's photo is even more absurd, so will it ruin his campaign. You decide for yourself.
who wants a shitload of pictures of bush looking like an idiot? because i CAN go to google and type the word "bush"

Sorry to contradict your "bullshit statistics", but 96 percent of income taxes are paid by the top 50 percent of taxpayers. Check the IRS figures yourself. How long have you been paying taxes for, let alone working. If I could have kept what is rightfully mine, then I would have been a multi millionaire already. It's simple, if you make 12,000 a year are you most likely paying extra at the end of the year? No, poor people do pay taxes, but quite frankly not much which is a good thing. It's all well and good to believe in such things, but wait thirty years when you are making more money. See how you feel when you get raped each year come tax time. I pay more in taxes every year then the bottom 50% makes. Is it fair? No. Abolish income tax and institute a national sales tax.
uh huh, you pay more in taxes than the bottom half makes, you want to share with the class how much money you take in

uh huh, you pay more in taxes than the bottom half makes, you want to share with the class how much money you take in

It's really none of your business, but I earned every penny I made.

It's really none of your business, but I earned every penny I made.
how you got it is completely irrelevant, what you got is the question

It's really none of your business, but I earned every penny I made.
And did you make it entirely on your own, never using any of the infrastructure provided by government taxes? Didn't think so.

I'm 35 years old--I've been working and paying taxes since I was 14. And if you were actually forced to pay the free market for every bit of the infrastructure you've made use of, infrastructure built and provided by the government, then you would be worse off than you are today. Or do you really think that private armies are cheaper than the US Army? That private roads are cheaper than the interstate highway system? That unregulated companies would follow rigorous health and safety standards if they weren't forced to by federal regulatory agencies? That air travel would be as safe as it is without the FAA? Taxes are the dues we pay for advanced society,a nd people like you who act as though you're being put upon by paying taxes when you've taken out far more than you'll ever pay in--even if you're Bill Fucking Gates--just piss me off.[/QUOTE]

Well, when you get older, hopefully you will learn to hate the current tax structure. I've also contributed to the infrastucture. Served my country, and never asked for disability payments. Yes taxes are the dues we pay, but we pay too much. We need to seriously cut the governments' size and get rid of really unneeded programs. Encourage private groups to pick up any slack by these cuts. Taken out far more then I'll ever pay in? I doubt that, for one I earned my pay every month in the Air Force, my kids went to Catholic School and later were homeschooled, yet I still have to pay my property taxes each year or they take my house, and I've never taken unemployment benefits. Our state Montana, doesn't get too much Federal Highway money. I am more then willing to pay state taxes then federal taxes.

You shouldn't be so pissed off? It's my right as a tax payer to complain as much as I want to about taxes. I quess you are still in your extreme liberal phase, or you would realise that it's your money they take without even asking you. Real fair, huh. Unless of course you are Robin Hood.

And did you make it entirely on your own, never using any of the infrastructure provided by government taxes? Didn't think so.

Actually my business, hunting and fishing lodge and guiding, doesn't really need too much infrastructure, except maybe the Fish and Game Commision. I fly too but don't really deal with too much of the FAA. Plus when I left the military I helped build the infrastructure by working with the FAA on updating radar systems.

how you got it is completely irrelevant, what you got is the question

Chess, I have enough saved. My house which I built myself without VA loans, is quite the log house. But I guess that since I'm a self sufficient white male, that makes me a hillbilly.

Complain all you want--it's your right--but you're deluding yourself if you think that you've paid in more than you've taken out.

You live in Montana? If you were left to the tender mercies of the free market, what do you think the chances are you would have cheap electricity? Without the rural electrification program from ages ago, you might never have gotten it, because there wasn't enough money in it. Same thing with roads--you might think you don't get much in terms of federal funding, but without it, you'd have to rely on private roads, and I guarantee you they wouldn't be free, and I'd be willing to bet that the tolls you'd have to pay to use them would be quite a bit higher than what you pay into that fraction of the federal highway budget in taxes. I could go on and on.

The reason I get pissed is because people like you--and I don't mean this to be insulting or anything--talk as though the government is ripping you off without ever stopping to think about all the stuff we take for granted that we'd never have if we left it up to the free market. Yeah, I wish I had more money to spend--not even for luxury items, just for everyday stuff--but I'm no fool. I know what the government does for me, just by providing a stable society in which we can thrive socially and technologically as a people. But in order to do that, the government has to have money, and it gets it from us in the form of taxes.

Chess, I have enough saved. My house which I built myself without VA loans, is quite the log house. But I guess that since I'm a self sufficient white male, that makes me a hillbilly.
now your getting even farther away from the question

would you like to answer it in your neext post instead of making up some more offtopic bullshit

Complain all you want--it's your right--but you're deluding yourself if you think that you've paid in more than you've taken out.

You live in Montana? If you were left to the tender mercies of the free market, what do you think the chances are you would have cheap electricity? Without the rural electrification program from ages ago, you might never have gotten it, because there wasn't enough money in it. Same thing with roads--you might think you don't get much in terms of federal funding, but without it, you'd have to rely on private roads, and I guarantee you they wouldn't be free, and I'd be willing to bet that the tolls you'd have to pay to use them would be quite a bit higher than what you pay into that fraction of the federal highway budget in taxes. I could go on and on.

The reason I get pissed is because people like you--and I don't mean this to be insulting or anything--talk as though the government is ripping you off without ever stopping to think about all the stuff we take for granted that we'd never have if we left it up to the free market. Yeah, I wish I had more money to spend--not even for luxury items, just for everyday stuff--but I'm no fool. I know what the government does for me, just by providing a stable society in which we can thrive socially and technologically as a people. But in order to do that, the government has to have money, and it gets it from us in the form of taxes.

give it up, they all think communism wont work because people arnt perfect, then they turn around and yell for uncontrolled capitalism and pretend people are perfect

This is the most ridiculously asinine post I've ever seen! All he is doing is wearing a sterile suit, no doubt because he is supposed to in whatever location he is in! Unless it is incriminating or phenomenally humiliating, a single photo cannot affect an election, especially when there is nothing wrong with it.

This is the most ridiculously asinine post I've ever seen! All he is doing is wearing a sterile suit, no doubt because he is supposed to in whatever location he is in! Unless it is incriminating or phenomenally humiliating, a single photo cannot affect an election, especially when there is nothing wrong with it.
especially when in every singple picture george bush takes he looks like a goofy idiot

While he did need to wear that suit, I can't help but laughing. I allways thought he looked like a horse, but here, he looks like a kitten.

Anyone know where I can dredge up a photo of Bush standing on the USS Abraham Lincoln in front of a sign saying "Mission Accomplished"?

http://www.clicktronic.com/archives/mission_accomplished.jpg

Anyone know where I can dredge up a photo of Bush standing on the USS Abraham Lincoln in front of a sign saying "Mission Accomplished"?
heres some for ya

http://www.strw.leidenuniv.nl/~tubbs/images/humour/bush.jpg

http://www.ajax.org/images/people/bush-george-w-2.jpg

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0503/050503bushgeorgew.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/2086000/2086046.standard.jpg

"PRESIDENT BUSH: A year ago, I did give the speech from the carrier, saying that we had achieved an important objective, that we'd accomplished a mission, which was the removal of Saddam Hussein. And as a result, there are no longer torture chambers or rape rooms [snip]"

Is that a lie?



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How did this move from John Kerry to rape rooms?

Complain all you want--it's your right--but you're deluding yourself if you think that you've paid in more than you've taken out.

You live in Montana? If you were left to the tender mercies of the free market, what do you think the chances are you would have cheap electricity? Without the rural electrification program from ages ago, you might never have gotten it, because there wasn't enough money in it. Same thing with roads--you might think you don't get much in terms of federal funding, but without it, you'd have to rely on private roads, and I guarantee you they wouldn't be free, and I'd be willing to bet that the tolls you'd have to pay to use them would be quite a bit higher than what you pay into that fraction of the federal highway budget in taxes. I could go on and on.

The reason I get pissed is because people like you--and I don't mean this to be insulting or anything--talk as though the government is ripping you off without ever stopping to think about all the stuff we take for granted that we'd never have if we left it up to the free market. Yeah, I wish I had more money to spend--not even for luxury items, just for everyday stuff--but I'm no fool. I know what the government does for me, just by providing a stable society in which we can thrive socially and technologically as a people. But in order to do that, the government has to have money, and it gets it from us in the form of taxes.

Hey there sorry to disappoint you, but I don't use government power. I use my own generators for power, heck I don't even have a standard phone line. I still say we pay too many taxes.

This is Montana the speed limit is 75 so we don't get too much federal highway money.

now your getting even farther away from the question

would you like to answer it in your neext post instead of making up some more offtopic bullshit

Chess, why are you so angry? Why do you hate success so much? You asked me what I've got, and I told you I've got what I deserve. I'm not going to starve anytime soon.

I don't know why you don't care for success. You probably think I'm some heartless jerk, I'm not I stipend 15% to my church. Give to various charities and what not. Maybe when you mature you will learn to appreciate hard work. It's not your fault, it's most likely your teachers that put these ideas in your brain. I'm just saying, turn off the computer for a while and go and get a job. It'll help you out.